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By Larry Keane

Gun owners beware. Certain members of Congress believe if an individual buys too many guns, too much ammunition, or too many accessories, that person is a potentially dangerous criminal or a “domestic terrorist.”

They also want banks to tell on anyone who might be buying “too much.”

U.S. Sen. Ed Markey (D-Mass.) and U.S. Reps. Madeleine Dean (D-Pa.), and Jennifer Wexton, (D-Va.) havet introduced the Gun Violence Prevention Through Financial Intelligence Act, H.R. 5764, in the U.S. House of Representatives and in the U.S. Senate as S. 3117.

The legislation is being pitched by the politicians who authored it as a means to detect and prevent those who might be planning to commit an atrocity or terror attack. But the bill is fraught with civil liberty violations and not just those freedoms protected by the Second Amendment. Privacy rights — specifically those related to finances — would go by the wayside.

The bill would require the Treasury Department’s Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCen) to give guidance to banks so they can report “suspicious financial activity.” According to Sen. Markey, this undefined suspicious financial activity could be a warning sign an individual is planning a horrific crime or terror event.

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“We cannot allow banks and financial institutions to turn a blind eye as shooters bank a pile of guns and ammunition in a lead up to an attack,” Sen. Markey said in a press statement. “The Gun Violence Prevention Through Financial Intelligence Act will give us the guidance on how these institutions can help pinpoint and prevent gun violence across the country.”

Government Snooping

The proposed legislation, of course, doesn’t define what level of financial activity is suspicious or how many firearms and accessories is “too many” or how much ammunition is “too much.” Instead, it leaves that to be determined by Treasury Department officials.

In other words, these members of Congress would delegate the work defining what would allow the government to peer inside banking records. Those Treasury Department bureaucrats would provide “guidance” to banks to report that “suspicious” activity. Media report gun seizures of several guns as “arsenals,” making anyone owning more than two or three guns seem suspect.

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Like all Americans, those in the firearm industry are concerned about terrorism. Licensed retailers cooperate with law enforcement all the time and report suspicious activity. However, this bill is similar to the federal government snooping around libraries and bookstores to see what books people are reading and what websites are visited. It is a deeply troubling intrusion into the civil liberties of gun owners and the exercise of their Second Amendment rights that should trouble all Americans.

This legislation should be recognized for what it is – another attempt by lawmakers to circumvent civil rights and co-opting financial institutions to advance an anti-gun agenda.

The Obama administration illegally coerced banks to unlawfully discriminate against the firearm industry through Operation Chokepoint. That was the effort by the Department of Justice (DOJ) and Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) to pressure financial institutions to stop lending and providing banking services to firearm-related businesses by labelling those business “high risk” despite having no evidence or justification. Now, Congressional gun control advocates would order banks to spy on their customers for them.

They’ve Tried It Before, They’re Trying It Again

Rep. Wexton and Rep. Dean introduced similar legislation in the last Congress. Their bill was H.R. 5132, the Gun Violence Prevention Through Financial Intelligence Act, that Rep. Wexton explained to voters in a town hall would explore “whether credit card transactions could be used as a warning tool for mass shootings,” according to the Prince William Times.

That was an idea that Shannon Watts endorsed. She, of course, is the head of antigun billionaire Michael Bloomberg’s Moms Demand Action. Watts authored an op-ed in Business Insider pressuring credit card companies to deny purchases for firearm parts, to stem the sale of what she termed “ghost guns.”

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It was also an idea that failed presidential and Senate candidate Robert Francis “Beto” O’Rourke wanted to pursue, after he learned about it from The New York Times columnist Andrew Ross Sorkin, who wrote about it in 2018 and 2017.

The bill is also coming on the heels of the Biden administration being forced to step back from a proposal to monitor financial transactions on every American above $600 on every American bank account. NSSF warned that this was a bad omen for an administration bent on enforcing their radical gun control plan, even if it means sacrificing privacy rights.

Rep. Wexton’s bill moved nowhere in the last Congress. NSSF is working to make sure it doesn’t go anywhere in this one.

 

Larry Keane is SVP for Government and Public Affairs, Assistant Secretary and General Counsel of the National Shooting Sports Foundation.

 

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116 COMMENTS

  1. Can we add a rider that banks also must report the names of anyone who donates to a Democrat, to SAF and NRA?

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    • Madeleine (D-Pa.), Jennifer (D-Va.), Shannon (D-umb), Beto (D-ickless).

      Why do these women want to control your lives so badly?

      • There are pro abortion. Which means they want to be in every room of your home and your life. And they are in the bedroom as well. They love to pay a woman to not get married, and have 5 kids from 5 different men.

      • You obviously have never dated a women before, especially a modern “woke” one. Reasons why the MGTOW movement has become so popular.

  3. It’s not just gun buyers accounts.
    Included yes. Exclusive no.
    There’s lots of reasons to snoop

    • “There’s lots of reasons to snoop”

      Might be “lot’s of reasons TO snoop” but there is one overriding reason NOT to snoop into peoples private lives and business, it’s called the Constitution. . . Want to “snoop” get a warrant. don’t have enough probable cause to get a warrant? Don’t snoop, this will never stand IF it gets to SCOTUS…

      • “but there is one overriding reason NOT to snoop into peoples private lives and business, it’s called the Constitution”

        in their minds, they themselves are the constitution, and you are required by god to obey and conform to their dictates.

        • in their minds, they themselves are the constitution

          Actually, in their minds the Constitution is an outdated piece of paper written by a bunch of stupid, old, racist, rich, white guys and it does not pertain to them (a bunch of stupid, old, racist, rich, white guys).

  4. If the number of guns and amount of ammo someone has makes them a terrorist, I’m Osama Bin Fuckin Cato.

  5. And you can’t take advantage of good deals and make bulk purchases? I’ve bought thousands of projectiles during the lockdown to stockpile for the next five to ten years of competition.

    Buy it cheap and stack it deep.

    • Unless they are going to get itemized receipts too, then I don’t know how they could tell a $600 purchase that was 1 handgun vs 1000 rounds of (expensive) ammo, or just an AR upper, or maybe 1 scope. If someone spends $5K at one vendor that could be one fancy retro gun, or a multiple rifles, ammo, tactical gear, etc.

      It’s disturbing whatever they may use the data for, and they may just be fishing to establish a pattern so they know who needs more surveillance.

      • pull grenenbacks out of your account from an ATM collect them until you have enough,then head on down toyour favourite local toy store and pay cash. Perhaps they will kearn through a NICS file (illegalbut they still do it) abut the Big Toy you jus bought…. then buy the mags, rounds, scope, etc, cash on a different ticket nhour or so later.
        They will have no record of the ancilliary purchases tied to your name.

        If this gets passed into law, I’ve little doubt the larger gun stores/online folks will figure out some mechanism for a cash-equivalent ayment system tht does NOT flag to the reporting system they are wanting to establish.
        WHen gun store starts to accumulate dozens or hundreds of cash sale tickets, all to Charlie Brown (better yet, David Chipman) , for various items and they come raid the store…. they’ll be wondering WHO this guy is, buuying thousands of runds each week for months, all for different calibre guns. It would nt surprise me of some stores go back to paper NCR receipt boo, handwritten invoices, no name on the store copy. Firearms, of course, on separate tickets shoing a different time or da.

        They want comliance and snooping? Let them have it. OUR way.

    • I find that the media is most egregious in reporting ammo. For example, “officers found upwards of 500 rounds of ammunition in the suspect’s house”—oh, so you mean he had like a single box of ammo? Big whoop! I probably have something like 10,000 or so rounds of various popular and not-so-popular calibers and cartridges and yes, dozens of guns to fire those rounds: big deal! It seems like a lot to the uninitiated TV reporter breathlessly reading—it must be said—police department press releases designed to make an arrest seem like the second coming of David Koresh or something—but anyone with even a passing familiarity with guns understands that “hundreds of rounds of ammo” go really quick at the firing range.

      • “hundreds of rounds of ammo” go really quick at the firing range.

        AND do not require a lot of storage space…

    • According to them, it is for our own protection and our own good.

      Big Brother watches all.

      /sarc

      • I have a RIGHT to be secure in my houses, papers, effects, and person. THEY do not support that security, so I must do it myself. Their job description doesNOT include my security in those areas, though it SHOULD. Since they will not deliver, I will seek other means to assure those securities.

  8. They might find a few online purchases here and there, but the bulk of my items were paid for with cash, and in person. You may not ever be able to fully erase your trail, but you can minimize your footprints to better blend in with the crowd. It’s called the Gray Man theory.

    Of course, I’d rather they not see anything at all, but who are we kidding?…we know they’re looking at everything anyhow, which is why many of us tout the “cash and carry” living style.

  9. Well, I’m just sure this will stop cold the gang members and drug dealers who account for nearly all non suicide-related firearms deaths. Yes sir!

    Now, I’m not quite sure how spying on law-abiding citizens exercising a constitutional right is going to stop those aforementioned gang members and dealers, but you know, I’m not a big-brain guy like Ed or Shannon.

    • stop those aforementioned gang members and dealers

      It’s a well known fact that ALL Gangbangers and Drug Dealers make all of their “illicit” purchases on line with their AMEX, Discover and PayPal accounts, no self respecting banger would EVER use a lowly debit card for his firearm needs…

    • “Warrantless searches?! The 4th Amendment does not apply?”

      No amendment is absolute.

      And, such intrusion is not being done by the government, but by private businesses acting as non-sponsored, non-paid government agents (in a legal sense). Of course, this violates the “law of agency” (an angent cannot legally do that which the principal cannot do), but government has a compelling intertest in obtaining or working toward a riskless society; public safety.

      It is possible to pass so many laws and regulations that the citizenry cannot fight them all (especially while so much tyranny will exist that just the thought of fighting is demoralizing); Cloward-Piven strategy. “The ride is the punishment.”

      • No, every oneof the Articles ofAmmendment do indeed apply. Thisis setting up banks to performthese audits and forward the information thus obtained toFedGov. So yes, those Artilesof Ammendment DO INDEED apply. Government re the ones demanding the illicit information. Unlawfully.

        • “Thisis setting up banks to performthese audits and forward the information thus obtained toFedGov. ”

          You are not supposed to know that. And you are not supposed to talk about it. Quiet. You will disturb the horses.

      • “Tell that to the dead presidents and founding daddies.”

        Nor can we allow the law to stand in the way of doing what is right.
        (still cannot find the original source for that statement; would love to hang it around Obama’s, and thus the Dims and Leftist necks.)

  11. “That was an idea that Shannon Watts endorsed.”

    I think we should get a look into her bank account.

  12. “…if an individual buys too many guns, too much ammunition, or too many accessories, that person is a potentially dangerous criminal or a “domestic terrorist.”
    i don’t think that can be argued. my wife likes to accessorize, and she qualifies as a domestic terrorist around the house.
    also true of people with really big trucks and lots of rope.
    one narwhal tusk per month. nobody ~needs~ more than that.

    • Oh goody… it’s time for lil’ d to tell us all about his vast world knowledge he has gained, including secret surveillance technology he learned about while watching the “FBI” series on CBS and reading Jack Reacher novels while drunk on his mom’s cheap vodka. Hey d, how is that novel you and Miner are working on coming along – what was it called?… oh yeah, “Last Train out of Capitolvania “. How about all of us here sick of your regurgitated bullshit see if we can get you a ticket on it.

  13. Most civilized nations do indeed limit the amount of ammo you can buy and many require you to belong to a state approved gun club as well. Buying large amounts of ammo that would be in excess of even what one would use in competition in a year would indeed be a red flag to the government that some nut cases were planning a take over of the government or an individual was planning a mass murder.

    What comes to mind recently was the Jan 6th attempted take over of the government in the U.S. by Trump Nazi Jackbooted Storm Troopers who were trying to establish a one party state which is in line with what Hitler and the Nazi’s did decades ago and they of course were right wing to the extreme. Both the former German Nazi’s and American present day Nazi’s are identical in their warped philosophy of racism, discrimination and the belief that a one party all white state is the ideal Right Wing Utopia.. None would even attempt to deny it.

    As the FBI has stated the biggest threat to American Democracy are the Jack Booted Far Right Fanatics that would destroy the free press ( As Trump and Nixon wanted to) and of course establish a one party dictatorship along with re-establishing white supremacy in all levels of government which would deny people of color and all other minorities the right to vote or hold public office or worship in the faith of their choice as the U.S. would be turned into a Christian Caliphate no different than the Caliphates that spring up in Moslem countries making only Islam legal. Religious fanatics are identical in all of the worlds states and all want to establish a Caliphate including the Far Right Hillbillies in the U.S.

    Whether it becomes law or not the U.S. deep state has the ability, the desire and the power to monitor what everyone is spending their money on. The Edward Snowden revelations proved that beyond all doubt and despite his blowing the whistle nothing much has changed and Snowden was lucky to escape with his life for being a patriotic American and revealing that even the President of the U.S. is helpless to stop or control the spying by the deep state on its own citizens. It goes on every day.

    Cops now have the technology to point a new type of spy camera at your house and it penetrates walls and shows what is inside your house. A gun safe would stick out like a sore thumb. They are supposed to get a court order but they use it first and if nothing is found destroy the evidence and if something is found then they get a court order. Is this an illegal search? Of course it is but you have to prove they did it to sue them and that is all but impossible unless someone someday would be willing to risk his life and testify in court. That is not likely as few people want to be assassinated before they ever get a chance to testify.

    Remember all the eyewitnesses that were killed that were supposed to testify in the Kennedy Assassination. None made it alive to court. And Jack Ruby was not allowed to go to Washington to testify and spill the beans on what really happened. He then mysteriously came down with a deadly dose of cancer and died rather quickly. Gee I wonder how that happened (sarcasm)?

    In conclusion the real question seems to be who is the bigger threat to the American people? Is it the current government or Trumpite Jack Booted Nazi’s. At present. hands down, its the Far Right Fanatical Trumpite Nazi’s and their stock piles of ammo and assault rifles.

      • With such a level of hate, disdain, contempt, and stereotyped profiling, it is easy to imagine the little commissar and his caravan of death executing deplorables into ditches.

        • Not until someone else has bound and gagged them… You know, the part that requires a degree of testicular fortitude…

        • Damn I feel special, this is my THIRD trip to moderation jail in two days… You assholes need a refresher course on the 1st amendment… What good does it do to post a comment if it’s going to sit in limbo for 14 hours… Pretty much loses its relevance after everyone has moved on to another topic… Especially a relatively benign comment like the one you just jacked…

        • He already openly fantasized about the police unleashing automatic gunfire on a crowd of unarmed protesters. That alone tells you everything you need to know about his thought process, or lack thereof.

        • Dude, the same police he describes as racist trigger happy morons.

          Unless it his Social Justice Police drawn from those fine upstanding antifa and blm members ( /sarc ).

    • I live out in flyover country. Most of those I deal with on a daily basis are both Trump supporters and gun owners. Of all races. Honestly, I feel safer out here amongst the far right Trump supporters than I ever did living in Democrat controlled cities. Where the only people who had guns were either the criminals who couldn’t care less about laws, or the various government agents/police. Never had much concern about the local cops, but have always had an abiding distrust for State, or Federal agents.
      What I have noticed is in many of the so called civilized countries, which you never seem to actually name, the civilian populace end up as victims of government atrocities much more often than they are victimized by their fellow citizens. Of course, you may need a longer look at history than the current 24 hour news cycle to understand that.

    • And who decides how much ammunition I would use in a year, even in one of your civilized countries? Just in one discipline if I competed every weekend and also did a pre match zero, that is 1500-2000 rounds per year. Plus that again with smallbore as I use more of the cheaper ammunition.

      I buy rimfire by the 500 round brick. I buy other calibers in bulk lots or primers and projectiles by the thousands. Powder is bought in 1-4 kg lots.

      The ONLY limit of ammunition is 10kg of powder. But no limit on actual ammunition other than what could be stored according to legal requirements.

    • “Most civilized nations do indeed limit the amount of ammo you can buy and many require you to belong to a state approved gun club as well. Buying large amounts of ammo that would be in excess of even what one would use in competition in a year would indeed be a red flag to the government that some nut cases were planning a take over of the government or an individual was planning a mass murder.”

      A red Flag to the government? Based on what evidence is buying bulk ammunition leads to mass murder or government takeovers?

      I have been to many other Countries, we are very civilized. So civilized in fact that people still leave their home Countries to come here. If we were the racists, fascists’ and expressive people you portray us as, why would they come here?

      “What comes to mind recently was the Jan 6th attempted take over of the government in the U.S. by Trump Nazi Jackbooted Storm Troopers who were trying to establish a one party state which is in line with what Hitler and the Nazi’s did decades ago and they of course were right wing to the extreme.”

      You are conflating is demonstration of the People that broke down into a near riot to an actual insurrection that occurred. There is much left to learn about what happened, but if that was an insurrection they forgot to bring the firepower. Insurrection 101, bring firepower and overwhelming force. That was not what happened on 6 Jan.

      “As the FBI has stated the biggest threat to American Democracy are the Jack Booted Far Right Fanatics that would destroy the free press ( As Trump and Nixon wanted to) and of course establish a one party dictatorship along with re-establishing white supremacy in all levels of government which would deny people of color and all other minorities the right to vote or hold public office or worship in the faith of their choice as the U.S. would be turned into a Christian Caliphate no different than the Caliphates that spring up in Moslem countries making only Islam legal. Religious fanatics are identical in all of the worlds states and all want to establish a Caliphate including the Far Right Hillbillies in the U.S.”

      For a so called racists Trump failed to be one properly. He created an EO order to spend money and investments in the “distressed communities across the country.” Black Enterprise Zones. He has supported Conservative people of all races for Offices. He failed as a racists. His border policies, those were consistent to what the laws state for immigration, far before he was around. There are laws for immigration, even your civilized Countries have laws and many are more restrictive than ours.

      “Cops now have the technology to point a new type of spy camera at your house and it penetrates walls and shows what is inside your house. A gun safe would stick out like a sore thumb. ”

      Sounds like something you would support, warrantless searches, especially against those hillbillies. Those cameras have limitations and those limitations can be exploited with passive measures.

      “Remember all the eyewitnesses that were killed that were supposed to testify in the Kennedy Assassination.”

      Both the Left and the Right have bought into the conspiracies around JFK. That is something where both have common ground. So much of the lore is considered fact, and the facts have been lost to the conspiracy theories which is unfortunate. IMHO, one of two options are possible, a disillusioned Communist sympathizer was molded by his sparrow school Soviet wife to commit the act, or the CIA acted and used him as the patsy. Who knows for sure?

      “In conclusion the real question seems to be who is the bigger threat to the American people? Is it the current government or Trumpite Jack Booted Nazi’s. At present. hands down, its the Far Right Fanatical Trumpite Nazi’s and their stock piles of ammo and assault rifles.”

      People with stockpiles of firearms and ammo are not the threat, nor is it the right wing. Nor is it the left. Both of which I refer are the moderates, people who have a differing and a civilly debatable view of the Constitution. The real threats come from abroad in the interference of our political enemies. The far left and the far right along with China and Russia are the real threats. I have said before, the far left and far right and not linear in their difference, they are circular and both lean towards government with a monopoly on power. Moderates of both parties are at the bottom of this circle and are more correct than the fringes of their own parties. China and Russia have plans on world domination, their own words and actions. Eventually those two will fall apart as their ideologies don’t completely align, but for now they are united against the US and the West. And some are too happy to spread the propaganda and lies of China and Russia to own their ideological enemies.

    • Does this guy ever shut up? Even if you were mildly interested the bullshit gets so deep you stop reading after the first paragraph. At least Chris knows to keep his bullshit short.

      • Just reply with TLDR.

        Too Long Didn’t Read.

        Saron, err, Soros must pay him by the word. Hence the sesquipedalian loquaciousness that even a lawyer would consider excessive.

    • Since you are stupid and/or corrupt enough to actually believe everythng the FBI says, why should anyonehere believe YOU? Go suck up to them and get job working for them. Your incompetene and non sequitur “thinking” will be an ass, er, I mean, an asset to them.

      I know folks who are instructors and/or cometition shooters. THey can go through ten thusand runds in a month, just doing their work.
      I’d LOVE to be able to shoot that often, but can’t afford to.

      So I guess II’m not even on their radar,byt my friends, too busy doing their work with their guns, would be prmie suspects for your lying FBI. Remembe,r FBI are the ones that gave us Fast and Furious, all based on aioece of fake propaganda planted in a Mexican newspaper back in about 2009 or10.

      I hope they DO bring that magic eray machine round to my house. They will see the gun safe,alright, and know exactly where it is.
      When they come round and knock up my door with their false warrant, I wil refuse to open the safe. When they get in the heavy equipment and cut it open they will find a bunch of junk in it. WHY? My “valuables” are not kept in the safe, the first place anyone wanting them will look. Hah hah hah. then I get to sue them for falsifying the warrant and destroying my personal property and home.

      A fourteen inch cst iron fying pan won’t hold an omelet big ehough to cover their ugly perfidious mugs. Ha hah hah on the lot of them.

      • The fibbies supposedly require the applicants to have law or accounting degrees. Lil d most probably has neither

  15. What a stupid rationale to try to implement a massive fascist surveillance mechanism.
    It’s a total F’ing joke.

    I’d venture to guess 99% of all “mass shootings” consumed ammo that would fit inside one box of ammo that could be bought with cash at the corner LGS.

    Face it, this is the government wanting a mechanism to create a list of every box of ammo and gun bought by every US citizen.

    The elites believe that the average US citizen is dumb enough to go along with this massive privacy invasion and since (supposedly) 80M people voted for Joe Biden they certainly are not wrong about 80M of us.

  16. Compelling a private financial institution to turn over nonpublic financial documents to the state without a warrant in my view constitutes “state action,” as the banks become agents of the police. No such “search should be admissible in a criminal action, but the fact of such a warrantless seizure would be admissible in a civil rights and invasion of privacy action against the government. The whole plan is unconstitutional, just like the plan to force banks to report all financial transactions in excess of a specified dollar figure.

  17. Serious question. If one has a large collection of firearms, as well as hundreds or even thousands of rounds of ammo, how likely is that person to be involved in a violent crime? From what I’ve seen, when the average person is arrested for shooting someone, they usually have a cheap handgun full of FMJ ammo. Surely the Party of Science has studied this, and has a very logical, science-based motive for this legislation. Right? Because otherwise, they’d just be tyrants.

    • “If one has a large collection of firearms, as well as hundreds or even thousands of rounds of ammo, how likely is that person to be involved in a violent crime?”

      Note that the proposed measure isn’t about crime, or “mass shootings”. It is about domestic terrorism. Just as misdemeanors can be elevated to felonies in order to prevent gun ownership, raising the matter to “domestic terrorism” likewise is a means to restrict gun ownership.

      The public might not “swallow” the proposal as a preventative to crimes enabled by firearms, but “everyone” will support “the war on terrorism”.

      Sometimes these provisions are simply chaff, keeping us running around with our hair on fire.

      • You’re right, it’s really about the biggest threat facing this country according to Puppet Joe when he isn’t talking about climate change. There seems to be some conflicting messages there as well.

        “shooters bank a pile of guns and ammunition in a lead up to an attack,” -Sen. Markey

        Then, within the text of the bill: “how homegrown violent extremists and perpetrators of domestic terrorism procure firearms and firearm accessories for the purpose of carrying out lone actor or lone wolf acts of terror within the United States”

        Let me get this straight. We’re looking for someone that is piling up guns for the purpose of a lone wolf act of terror. Hmm…Still doesn’t make sense. The Las Vegas shooter had several guns. Are there other examples? The Las Vegas shooter wasn’t really a terrorist was he? They never told us what his message was, did they? I think the FBI knew and kept it to themselves for some reason.

        • I think the FBI knew and kept it to themselves for some reason.

          Had to cover for the rogue(?) CIA operative… MGM settled for 800 million very quickly, judge approved, 4400 plaintiffs all get a piece but NO disclosures of shooters affiliations, (just a bored rich guy?) no medical history, nothing relevant about the guy and why he did what he did…

        • “Nothing, no matter how horrible, ever happens without the approval of the Government. Over there, or over here.”

    • Surely the Party of Science has studied this,

      The science is only relevant when it fits their narrative…

    • I used to know a guy in a larger city nearby who had a garage that was his armoury. He had over six thousand surplus military rifles n that garage, lplus thousands of sparesfor them. He was too busy to ever take an of them into town and perform a shootemup.

      I kniw another man in a much smaller town was a gun colectore. He ended up with cancer, and over the next few years “liquidated” some five hundred guns, mostl handguns, from his collection. when he died from the cancer, his widow asked a good friend to take the rest (ahd’epicked out the “keepers” she wanted for her own use) and sell them for her. I ended up with a number of them, most new or as new. So he likely had some eight hundred firearms before he got his cancer. Yet he NEVer went out and bumped off a bank, Brinks truck, bus, etc.

  18. When you see a picture of someone, and they look like a deranged mentally ill creep, and they’re typically a Democrat, and they’re running for public office, DON’T VOTE FOR THEM.

  19. These bastards define everything and everyone who disagrees with them as a “domestic terrorist.” They have launched a literal all out war on their political opponents and they are using the police power of the State, the power that was loaned to the government by “the people,” against us.

    This government has become completely disconnected from the purpose for which it was established by the Founders:
    “We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”

    Who would have thought that in the 21st century, we would be less free and more highly taxed than were our forebears under George III?

    At what point will normal people get so fed up with the present state of affairs that they assert themselves and figuratively punch these progressives in the throat to cause a course correction back to a limited government that represents the People and doesn’t seek to control them?

    • everyone who disagrees with them as a “RACIST” and a “domestic terrorist.” There, fixed it for you…

    • Ticked Off,

      These bastards define everything and everyone who disagrees with them as a “domestic terrorist.”

      Truer words were never spoken.

      They have launched a literal all out war on their political opponents and they are using the police power of the State, the power that was loaned to the government by “the people,” against us.

      Again, truer words were never spoken.

    • Ticked Off,

      “At what point will normal people get so fed up with the present state of affairs that they assert themselves …”

      As our nation’s Framers stated (paraphrased), normal people will tolerate a LOT of garbage until it becomes totally insufferable. Then they will right the “ship” that is our nation and government.

      We are already seeing the humble beginnings of the concerted effort to “right the ship” at local school board meetings. Normal people are slowly but surely waking up and rousing from their proverbial slumber.

    • Probab about the same time a sufficient number of peole get fed up with all the covidiiocy and begin to just stand firm and say NO.
      that has not heppend, yet, not even close. But I think I am getting a few sweet whiffs telling me it MUGHT be coming sorta soon.

  20. @uncommon_sense

    “That video significantly bolsters Kyle Rittenhouse’s claim of legally justified self-defense”. The “truth” is in the mind of 12 random people who could not avoid jury duty. (note: a “jury of peers” would have to be made up of people who closely approximate the defendant in almost all characteristics.)

    All juries are prejudiced/biased in some way. “Reasonable” actions are solely in the hands of these people. “Reasonable” jurors are primarily people who are not gun owners, not active 2A defenders. Therefore the theme of jurors is based on, Who I am, a reasonable person. I wouldn’t do what the defendant is accused of, ever.”

    So it is that a jury starts from a theme that they wouldn’t shoot or kill anyone. Quite a hill for defense attorneys to climb. In the Rittenhouse case, none of the jurors are likely to overlook the fact that Rittenhouse crossed state lines to “commit a crime.” Absolutely no “reasonable” juror would Rittenhouse’s action as “reasonable”.

    Of course, betting on juries is fool’s game.

    • Sam I Am,

      “So it is that a jury starts from a theme that they wouldn’t shoot or kill anyone.”

      I do not agree with your claim: I know a LOT of people who absolutely understand and accept (however reluctantly) that sometimes people have to use deadly force (including firearms) in righteous self-defense. And those people come from all sides of the political spectrum.

      • “I know a LOT of people who absolutely understand and accept (however reluctantly) that sometimes people have to use deadly force (including firearms) in righteous self-defense. ”

        As do I, but they are not likely to be acceptable jurors for the prosecutor, thus not likely to actually sit on a jury reviewing a case involving use of guns.

        My experience with jurors is limited to three times I sat on a jury, one each federal state and local. Those trials were before “guns” became such a hot button issue with the public.

        It would be a difficult call for me to decide on a jury trial, or bench trial.

    • Kind of concerned that they seated a jury in one day for such a high profile case… Either the prospective jurors said all the right stuff or Kyle’s lawyers just didn’t object to anyone… No matter, the media has already set up grounds for appeal through their uninformed and blatantly false reporting of their version of the “truth” (facts be damned) should the jury vote to convict… I’m betting on a hung jury and the prosecutor calls for dismissal with prejudice which I’m sure this judge will gladly grant…

      • ” concerned that they seated a jury in one day for such a high profile case ”

        My understanding is that each side was limited to seven rejections with the intent of preventing a dragged-out selection process.

        • That woulstill mean 28 prospects to 12 plus 2 alternates, could not have spent much time on each…

    • find nd read Mr. Branca’s VERY thorough and accurate recounting of the questions ctually put to those jurors. Weverwl were sidmissed because of things like a twisted understanding of the Scripture that says “thui shall nt kill”, thinking it means noway no time no reason never for any reason. That one got her walking papers. ANother “does not like” the AR patern rifles. That man walked, too. One had er mind made up based on what she has read in the press. Walked that one, too. The judge has been very fair, often making the DO mad because HE is not getthiing his way. He’s thrown a coule of hissy fits when the judge ruled agaisnt him.
      the Wisconsin laws on self defese areVERY clear and understanbadle, There are certain must prove rquirements before someone can be denied his right to self defense. The jurors and laternates have all been carefully instructed and informed on these matters.
      Not to sat enough cannot go rogue and hang the poor guy Kyle.. but at this point it seems like a pretty fair bunch of critters sitting in the box.

      • As noted previously, juries are made of of 12 random people who cannot figure out how to get out of jury duty. The ones cited here apparently broke the code.

        Still, betting on a jury decision is a bad method of making money.

  21. I have a sneaking suspicion that fedzilla will claim some sort of algorithm based on purchases over a short period of time along with maxing out credit cards and closing accounts with large balances as a tip-off to an impending violent mass-attack.

    While their algorithm may actually be accurate, it is more than likely justification to enact the law for its true purpose: enabling the state to identify and neutralize political enemies.

  22. You guys better watch out chances are all these comments (and the story its self) will deduct points from your social credit! Buying guns will do it even more!

    • Andrew Lias,

      Sadly, your sentiment is almost guaranteed to be in the works.

      We are at the edge, staring at the abyss of “Communisim Light” which is a nice way of saying one-party Progressive totalitarianism. Whether or not we head down that path will hinge on the 2022 midterm elections and the 2024 general election.

      Those two elections are our nation’s last chance, in my humble opinion, to pull us back peacefully from the edge of the abyss. If the forces of evil manage to yank those elections away from us, we will be unable to recover unless the populace goes “hot”.

      • It all starts at 7PM tonight when the polls close in Virginia, if the “Walking Dead” don’t get out and vote in the northern part of the state and the real dead do not vote more than once in New Jersey, both states could easily go red… That sets the stage for the REAL “red wave” in 22… I think the Progressives tried to do too much too quickly and scared the hell out of a lot of moderate Dems and many Independents…

        • Virginia projected for Youngkin (R) and Republican Lt Gov and Attorney Gen each up by 10 points with 70% of the vote reported… already have 4 of the 7 seats needed to take majority in House of Delegates… Good job VA.

        • The Democrats always seem to “find” enough votes to win.

          Not today (at least not in Virginia) NJ is not over, Republican still ahead by less than 1000 votes, mail in can be “manipulated” just have to wait and see…

      • “Whether or not we head down that path will hinge on the 2022 midterm elections and the 2024 general election.”

        Remains a curiosity that neither the gun-grabbers (and associated tyrants), nor the 2A supporters talk about the fact that Trump can only serve 4yrs.

    • “You guys better watch out chances are all these comments (and the story its self) will deduct points from your social credit! Buying guns will do it even more!”

      Call me skeptical, but…

      What is the distance between counting firearm-related purchases, and a claim that the lack of such purchases is a clear indicator that a disfavored person is actually hiding the purchase of “caches”, “hordes”, “stockpiles”, “arsenals”?

      • none. you don’t get it. they’ll go after anyone they even slightly suspect of not being subservient to them. any excuse will do. when the time comes, they won’t bother with excuses.

        • “you don’t get it.”

          Don’t get what? A rhetorical question?

          Maybe a re-read is in order?

          Not quite clear on the intended meaning of your comment.

      • At my age “social credits” mean absolutely nothing… You’ve seen the t-shirt “Don’t mess with OLD people”? I AM that old “people”… So screw them and their kommie Chinese Social Credits…

  23. These twits would wet themselves if they ever got the dirt they want. They have NO CLUE how may Americans have ___guns/___ rounds. But they are determined to cause what they claim is a “problem”.

    • “would wet themselves”

      why? they don’t do anything themselves, they have fronts who control drones who control operatives – THEY’ll do the work, and the ones behind all this never have to show their faces.

  24. “…and the ones behind all this never have to show their faces.”

    Isn’t that the way it is supposed to work?

  25. @MADMAXX
    “Virginia projected for Youngkin (R) and Republican Lt Gov and Attorney Gen each up by 10 points with 70% of the vote reported… already have 4 of the…”

    The status of voting tonight is irrelevant. What counts are the votes “found” overnight. The vote count on voting day is merely the starting point in deciding how many more votes the Dims need to claim a win tomorrow.

    If the vote count should exceed the official number of eligible voters, that will be of no concern.

  26. The federal and some state goverments violate your rights everyday. Why do smart people say “Cash is King?” The goverment wants a cashless society, because every transaction has a record. When that happens, they have a the ability to control where and when and how much you spend of your own money. They also can restrict your access to your money. Wake up.

    • And then deduct some of that for “reparations” to those who never were slaves by those who never owned slaves.

      Even North Korea’s guilt to the third generation is stretching the blame too far.

  27. “per laws as written he can serve a second term. It has hapened before.”

    Which is what I wrote.

    Just as before, a third-party candidate who wins is automatically a lame duck (as was Trump in 2016). The power structure simply waits that person out: see Jesse Ventura and Donald Trump.

  28. From the looks of that picture, Markey has had alot of practice holding his mouth wide open. Almost like he is used to having something crammed down his liberal throat. These fuckers disgust me to no end. Weak and spineless, afraid that the people will finally become tired of their shit and do something about it.

  29. If our god damned Congresspersons won’t abide by their Constitutional Oath then they need to be physically removed as traitors by our Military,tried and executed. They keep trying to pass laws that don’t apply to them,only us

  30. News just from history…. People who use guns to commit crimes do not purchase them with money sitting in a bank…

    • do not purchase them with money sitting in a bank

      Truth, if they had money in the bank to buy a gun they wouldn’t need to knock off a 7/11 for twenty bucks…

      • “Truth, if they had money in the bank to buy a gun they wouldn’t need to knock off a 7/11 for twenty bucks…”

        “They” aren’t concerned with crime. The fear is of people who could rise up and put government in its place. “They” know that it is the law abiding who could one day get fed up, and rebel.

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