By Cliff H.
When it comes to constitutional carry, I’m of the same belief as RF – the only correct reading of the Second Amendment means that the government has no authority to say who can or cannot carry arms, when, or where. Nor do they have the authority to require anyone to acquire a permit before exercising their natural, civil and Constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms. But that’s a fight for another day. Right now we have to live with the reality of our eroded 2A rights and, in most places, jump through bureaucratic hoops in order to avoid having our freedoms further eroded by facing arrest and other unpleasant and expensive official reactions . . .
That being the case, I’ve obtained a concealed pistol license (CPL) from the state of Washington. RF is apparently in the process of getting his permit from Texas. Many of the readers of this site have done the same in their respective jurisdictions. So now, technically (though unconstitutionally) we are “legal”. But what does this mean when someone spots your heater and dials 911 in a panic or you’re just involved in a routine interaction with a LEO?
At some point the situation will probably arise in which you must prove that you are “legal”. This is a problem for me because I carry IWB at 3 o’clock and my wallet is IHP (Inside Hip Pocket) at 5 o’clock. How do I pull my permit without further alarming anyone given the proximity of my gun hand to my weapon? For myriad reasons, I do not want to hand over my pistol to the officer first so I considered a small fold-over card holder that I could slip over my belt next to my holster like many plain-clothes cops do with their badge. It’s even likely that if they spot the CPL, gun muggles (non-carry citizens) would assume I was LE and not feel concerned.
A few weeks ago RF posted a piece with a picture of a badge at the top. Wow, a concealed carry badge! That would be great to clip to my belt rather than just dangling my permit. I went to the website and did some research. Yes, I could get a custom badge saying ‘Concealed Pistol Permit’ with the Washington state seal in the middle (Dave from agentgearusa.com) sent me the photo on the left above). I could choose other styles if I wanted, too. It was a little steep at $69.95, I thought, but it could save a lot of headaches. Then I started looking at the other badge styles offered.
I like the round one; I think it looks “cool” (but costs $89.95, for some reason). Unfortunately, EVERY badge they offer, even CCW badges, is a variation of a law enforcement or other official government agency badge. Even the round one that I like is based on a Deputy Sheriff badge. This could cause a problem rather than solve one. Yes, gun muggles would assume I was a LEO and go about their business, but what if some over-zealous anti-carry cop decided to make my day/life more interesting by accusing me of impersonating a police officer? Any badge, regardless of the inscription engraved on it, that looks almost exactly like a police badge could lead to that sort of misunderstanding. I really don’t need or want that kind of excitement in my life.
So I first posed the question to RF: could we come up with a new badge design that doesn’t mimic law enforcement badges and is distinct and recognizable nationwide as a CCW badge? Secondly, and perhaps most important, would the People of the Gun who carry embrace the idea and actually buy, carry and/or display such a badge? Or am I just going off the rails on a crazy train?
Having a visible badge kind of negates the concept of “concealed carry” and the element of surprise….
And it’s not that difficult to keep a weapon concealed if you wear properly fitting attire.
Also, unless that badge affords me the same protections that LEOs enjoy when they have to perform DGUs, then no thanks.
I’d rather not carry anything that lets criminals know I’m carrying unless there is a huge payoff.
I’m with tjlarson2k on this, and for the same reason that I find open carry kind of silly. Indeed, unless one happens to be stopped by a law enforcement agent who specifically asks if you’re armed, my recommendation is to say nothing about being armed or having a CCP. No one needs to know, unless and until your being armed and having a CCP are at issue..
Your rational works fine, until some anti-gunner determines you are wearing a gun and decides to strip you of it, claiming you were a ‘threat’…
( http://bearingarms.com/hes-got-gun-florida-man-tackles-concealed-carrier-arrested-battery/ )
Like it or not, we share this nation with some very bizarre people who don’t believe anyone except someone with a piece of metal should be allowed to possesses a weapon.
Fortunately, in this case, the CCW holder resisted the urge to kill the person who was wrestling for control of his gun, and the anti-gunner was arrested and prosecuted.
One of my carry pieces is a super redhawk .44 Alaskan, which is not exactly covert.
I am under no lawful obligation *not* to carry, nor *not to let anyone know i am carrying*, here in the great state of Georgia.
I prefer to just wear the badge and let the rubes live in their own little fantasy realm.
Most LEOs hate those things. I would think wearing one would prompt a few unnecessary encounters with frustrated cops who hate the idea of “civilians” carrying. Or who think we’re playing cop wannabe. No badge for me.
They don’t like the comp
No…most would not embrace it. In fact, try mentioning it on one of the larger gun forums and you’re likely to get mocked/laughed off the thread.
In fact, I fully expect you to get mocked repeatedly right here in the comments.
If I have to carry around a badge that announced I carry concealed doesn’t that defeat the whole point of carrying concealed?
See above.
It’s an interesting idea, but for it to be recogonized nationwide you’d have to get Obama and the federal government to sign off on it.
I don’t have to jump through hoops in VA for my CCW, but it does cost me $50. I wouldn’t spend another $70-$90 on a badge.
We don’t even have nationwide reciprocity in concealed carry laws yet, so worrying about nationwide recognition of a badge seems a bit premature…
Stinkeye, that’s what I was alluding to.
When Robert had the earlier post I looked at the badges. They are a little pricey, but still look very nice. Unlike Vendetta, I think it’s an interesting idea.
uh why don’t you just keep a laminated copy of your CPL in an easy to access place? they make plenty of devices for securing identification cards in places other than your wallet.
furthermore, with the way you carry your wallet, how do you pay for things in public without exposing your CCW?
I’ve been all over the world, to many places where pickpocketing is a major industry. Seattle is THE last place I would worry about how I carry my wallet – and yes I do live here.
This is idiotic… If I knew anyone who had a concealed carry badge I would stop associating with them.
I would wear a badge if it would stop cops from detaining me. However, a badge will not do that.
Wearing a concealed carry badge is not impersonating, but that won’t stop ignorant cops from charging you with that crime.
What is that meth anti-drug meme? “Not even once.”
At some point the situation will probably arise in which you must prove that you are “legal”.
I have a method to do that:
That picture looks like Chuck Woolery circa 1995, before he went went for his current bouffant wig televangelist look.
Crazy train, full stop.
We already have a good guy card.It’s called the CCW permit itself.
When I last encountered law enforcement, I informed the officer I was armed and pointed out where the weapon was.That being done, I next asked for the go ahead to get my wallet.We concluded the roadside stop talking about which guns we favored for home defense.
The idea behind asking the cop to reach for your credentials isn’t because you’re a doormat, but to ensure communications between two armed strangers are clearly understood.
I agree with you. Twice I have been stopped by a LEO, both times I informed him I was armed. Both times I was thanked for informing them and it actually was a pleasant interaction, and better yet I received fix-it tickets. On one of them I was returning from working in a very remote and high elevation area of Colorado, I told the cop in the fairness of full disclosure I had an m1a behind the back seat along with a 12ga, 3 additional handguns 45colt, 45acp and 22lr. His only comment was he was not going to ask me what I was afraid of!
This is the wisest course of action. If you’re confronted by a police officer, don’t just knee-jerk reach for your wallet. That’s a bad idea, even if you don’t have a gun on your hip. Keep your hands where the cop can see them until everybody’s calm.
The badge is a dumb idea. You think open carriers get harassed by police? Wait until you’re walking around with a bogus badge you bought off the interwebs…
“When I last encountered law enforcement, I informed the officer I was armed and pointed out where the weapon was.”
EXACTLY. No posturing, no 2A speech. They may be on high alert at this point because of a call for a guy with a gun, or they just came of another call, or they’re having a bad day. Be nice/polite. They have the legal upper hand at this point. Being shot for any reason is very uncomfortable. Take my word for it.
Years ago I took a workshop on how to attend rallies (political, not 2A), and what to do if the cops arrive. If the cop asked to see your ID, remember that ANYTHING on your belt, cell phone, pager, flashlight, etc, may look like a weapon.
BEFORE you start moving, tell the cop what you’re going to do, explain that there are things on your belt (cell, pager, flashlight), you have a permitted gun, etc. Lift your cover garment away slowly but grasp it well away from the belt line, say up near you nipple. Spread your fingers wide, and use only your thumb and index finger. Keep your weak hand up and visible. In other words, help them to NOT shoot you.
Even if you disagree with a confrontational style, they have the right to ask to see ID, and a CCW permit. Help the cops like us, and tell nice stories around the proverbial water cooler. They likely deal with a$$holes all day long. Give then a shining moment they will remember.
Crazy train. Put your energy into keeping it concealed. Find a different place to keep your permit. “Muggles”? You think a concealed firearm gives you magical powers?…
Dont mention the muggles part. Expect your comment to be deleted! Mine was!
I think it had less to do with the muggles part, and more to do with the “This post is ridiculous” and “your opinion is null and void” parts.
Rather than saying it’s ridiculous, I’ve just chosen to consider this as all in good fun. NFW would I ever consider a CCW badge. It’s all about the concealed part.
Voicing an opinion not ok in these parts? I never called anyone a dumbass. Simply stated that he voided his opinion by using a made up wizard word.
Then there’s the whole FAKE badges thing.
The whole point of “loosening” gun restrictions in schools to increase the chances of a good guy being around when the next mass shooter rolls around, instead of waiting 10-20 minutes for the police to arrive (who also carry guns… go figure).
The anti-gunner’s logic is self-defeating. If all guns are bad, why are they content calling the cops, who also have guns? Why do they believe having a military is good? War is all about killing other people with guns, tanks, nukes, etc.
It’s very simple to call anti-gunners out on their BS “logic”. First off, we have to demystify the fact that police and military training isn’t magical and somehow qualifies only the police and military as “good guys” for life. They screw up all the time, it’s called being human and being fallible.
That said, millions of legal gun owners deter crime all the time. Legal gun ownership and lawful use is a proven crime deterrent. Period. This is proven all the time — it’s just not in the news because the news is subject to political and government controls and agendas. Shame on them.
The only real point the anti-gunners could possible bring up is this:
Guns do make it easier for people to commit certain crimes, like mass shootings because of the effectiveness of the tool used.
That’s all they can bring to the table. But we can easily counter with, well one of the reasons it’s so “easy” for criminals and murderers to commit said crimes is the gun free zone. If you ensure a criminal’s victims are helpless, untrained, and disarmed, they are easier to dispatch. Obviously.
How about… not having untrained victims and killing grounds to begin with? No more gun free zones allows adults and parents to be armed and protect their loved ones in the event evil strikes. That makes sense to me, and historically, that’s how things are done. If there is suspicion of a potential threat, you react and tool up to defend yourself if the need arises.
We already know movie theaters, malls, and schools are targets. Any public place without security is up for grabs as a mass shooting site. So… tool up and be vigilant. It’s called being a responsible adult.
Only an idiot would refuse to equip themselves to counter a potential threat and rely on a “feel-good” sign for protection. I believe that’s called Darwinism.
I don’t even know where to start. I think this idea of badging ccw only works if the government makes it work. Other than that, would not prove well in a demonstration of character in a court of law (obviously after the cwp holder shot someone, he’s a wanna-be cop.. zimmerman much?)
Other than that, these are cool novelties, maybe I’d be down for personalized challenge coins or something but you can’t get away from the stigma of a badge, there’s a cultural reason why they all look the same or similar.
Also, there’s no way to make a cwp holder look safer to a hoplophobe if they see and know he’s carrying. The badge would probably make some cool toys for the kids playing cops and robbers, or cowboys and indians…
Cliff, the last sentence of your essay sums it up nicely. If you’re not a LEO, having a badge is a bad, dorky idea. My suggestion would be to carry your wallet, or at least your LTC, in a location not near your gun. For instance, I carry at 4 o’clock and my wallet is in my left back pocket. Find a way that works for you, forget the silly, wannabe badge stuff.
“You, sir, have a tyrannical government. How’s your method of dealing with it working out for you so far?”
I still have a job, possession of my weapons, and cash flow. Ask the same question to Mr. Reed. While I’m sure he gets an A grade for his “speech”, however sighting the end game, what did he gain…admiration of Internet forums and a future three year civil suit with the hope a lawyer takes the case pro bono? The ACLU can be your friend.
This incident demonstrates local police will source whatever law (upwards of 12,000) they need to curb individual rights, specifically a Veteran open carrying at night with a statement he’s exercising for military training mission. Arresting officers have no idea Carlos mental state and playing the what if game, decide to “infringe”. Finding out Mr. Reed is “normal” and hung up on 2A, employed the executive branch smack down with a judicial assist. Highly effective individual behavior modification tool which I abhor but will live with noting Mr. Reeds situational awareness and judgement.
As for a “tyrannical government”, I have yet to see evidence of true tyranny. I do see slow march towards over taxation and increasing regulations that keep government employed and slowing private sector growth. Rest assured when true government tyranny exist and no measurable relief presents, I will not use my long gun as “speech”.
Simply put, CCW badges are pathetic.
while I agree the badge seems like a terrible idea, I also recall an incident while shopping for a sport coat a while back. the oh-so-helpful clerk insisted I remove my vest to try on the garment, which revealed my holstered firearm (in the dressing room mind you). A few minutes later as I continued my shopping, I observed a uniformed deputy on his radio walking through that section of the store. No one said anything, nor did the deputy approach me, but it was unsettling. In contrast the police reaction during a traffic accident was very positive, the officers thanking me for presenting dl & chl permit, stating they were not concerned about my firearm.
On the practical side, I suggest moving your wallet and getting used to that in the same way you got used to carrying a pistol in the first place. I carry my wallet left rear and pistol about 4:00. The exception is when in a suit (often) and my wallet goes in my right inside pocket (still accessible without exposing my pistol.
To badges: I can actually think (call me nuts) of several situations in which one of these could come in handy but I can see downsides as well.
On the pros side:
Just after a DGU or when engaging an active shooter. Displaying this sort of badge then might well help you avoid being shot by other armed citizens or responding officers who would naturally think you were one of them.
Some will argue that you simply shouldn’t do this next one but to each their own . . .
When approaching a police officer to offer assistance. When a cop is getting a beat down he’d probably like some help, however I don’t fancy getting shot because he thinks I’ve come to help the BG(s). Such a badge would activate his brothers in arms reaction and help ensure you don’t spook him further.
(YMMV but I live in a region of small towns and large rural areas where back up can be forever away and a traffic stop in a lonely place is likely to end, good or bad, with the personnel present when it started. I’ve done the above but something more positive than shouting to ascertain if the officer wants your help as a disguise for letting him know you’re not coming to the aid of the BGs isn’t the best solution.)
If you needed to remove a covering garment for some reason. With the now exposed pistol there for all to see, displaying such a badge might mitigate public concern until you’re able to remove yourself from their view.
The Cons:
You’re going to look like a cop wanna be which is just embarrassing.
You might be hassled by LEO’s or otherwise accused of impersonating a police officer.
I don’t think the compromising of CC is an issue unless you intend to display the badge full time, which would just be silly on it’s face and I’m hoping that isn’t what the author intended to do.
If these badges ever go mainstream I want one, until then not so much. It’s another hunk of gear to haul and conceal that to me has very limited use, it has some very negative connotations in the ‘gun world’ and it feels a little silly.
The CCW instructor at my class told us a story about a guy who drew his weapon and shot a guy who was trying to rob a restaurant. He then whipped out one of those CCW badges they sell at gun shows and waved it around yelling “It’s ok! It’s ok!”
He was charged with impersonating an officer.
It’s time to stop posting.
Since middle school, I’ve carried my wallet in my front pocket. In fact, I never use my back pockets for anything. It’s much easier to keep track of what’s in front of you than behind you.
In some jurisdictions, flashing will elicit no more than a lecture from your “friendly” LEO, but wearing a fake badge will get you arrested. Ixnay on the adgebay.
this just in – monkey buys ar-15 at gun show – with NO BACKGROUND CHECK!
I don’t remember the exact wording. Basically, in the state of CA, you not only cannot identify yourself as a cop if you’re not one, but you cannot give the impression that you’re a cop. In my current job i transport special needs people in a retired police car. Ford Crown Vic with the cage still functioning in the back, numbers on the body and radio. I have been asked if I’m a cop. No is the answer.
Wearing a badge on your belt would be opening yourself up for a misdeamer charge here.
This is just as idiotic and self righteous as the police chiefs with 4 star general collar insignia…
You want to carry a badge, go be a cop, you want to wear military officer collar insignia, go be a military officer…
Nobody likes a poser.
It has been mentioned by others, but it was such an easy solution to the problem I cannot believe it didn’t occur to the OP: move he wallet to the left rear pocket (if you carry on the right). Like others, I carried my wallet in my right rear pocket, being right handed, for years. As soon as I started concealed carry, I saw the problem I would have exposing my CCW each time I reached for my billfold, so genius that I am, I moved it to the left back pocket. There, problem solved.
The badge is a very bad idea. I cannot think of a single good argument for it.
On the “No Guns” sign, well that’ll definitely keep criminals out!
I carry a copy of my CCW in a small badge-holder on a lanyard tucked into my shirt. That way I can just pull it out the front of my shirt with the lanyard in case a cop asks.
This is all you will ever need. Skip the badge and go with this, unless of course you wear a tie, in which case another solution needs to be found. I like the idea of a credit card holder–readily available, slim and fits in a pocket. no fuss no muss, with a copy of or your actual ccw. Particularly useful in California, where you have to fold the “rice paper” over and laminate it in order to fit it in your wallet without having it disintegrate.
The word we keep not using is discretion. That and judgment.
When stuff the story above happens, one party, often all parties are light on discretion and judgment. You can’t, in fact, legislate every particular circumstance or series of events. So, people, actual human beings, use discretion and judgment.
We don’t like to use “discretion” and “judgment” because these words, and similar ideas have been used to shut up uncomfortable opinions. That’s childish reasoning. We can do better. So, use discretion – don’t make a fuss, but also don’t make a fuss *unless you have to*. Use judgment – think through how things will come out. Is this the time or place? Maybe there’s a better way.
But also, judgment sometimes says act. You can’t necessarily talk down the active shooter in front of you. You don’t wait for the firemen when somebody you can save will die in the meanwhile. Little Johnny’s molesting sis & lighting fires, there’s place for “discretion” that means you remain silent. There’s every place for discretion that means you inform whoever is impacted or can help. Telling dad and the cops is not invoking Maurey.
Judgment doesn’t mean you’ll always stand down, or step up. Discretion means whatever you do, you create less splash damage, vs. angling for more.
We especially require discretion and judgment of people who wield great power, especially those who have chosen to wield that power, and double-especialy those who do so on our behalf. (With great power comes great responsibility, Mr. Parker.) I think this is perhaps why gun owners get so bent about high-handed officialdom. It’s power, wielded without discretion or judgment. People who have chosen to wield great power – guns – and the terrible privilege that goes with it, are incensed with people who wield power ignoring the responsibility.
We should, I think, select the people we empower to act on our behalf on the basis of their discretion and judgment more than anything else. They violate our trust by abusing the authority we give them. And they, being professionals should know better.
– Any professional member of the legal system who looks for opportunities to escalate has it wrong. Their job is to keep things going, with minimum interruption imposed on regular life. If they’re looking for drama they’re unsuited for the role. If they escalate unnecessarily by accident, they need better training.
– Any professional member of the legal system who goes politicking with a situation in progress is disqualified. No discretion there. “Politicking” includes making hay with press releases, but more important starting a PR sliming campaign targeting some citizen, even one accused of something.
– Any behavior or argument that amounts to: “He screwed up a little, so it’s fair game! (Woo-hoo!)” is immediately disqualifying. Where’s the discretion? The judgment?
Every LEO interaction should first be judged by the discretion and judgment exercised. Was there a lower-impact way to resolve this? By that standard, this and many other stories are stories of failure. In fact, every use of the mechanisms of force and law should go with feelings of remorse. We weren’t clever enough, or strong enough, or wise enough, so now it’s come to this. This necessary regret because when it comes down to force and law, there’s nothing good, only choosing among bads.
Law and law enforcement don’t work like that much. No discretion, no judgment, and especially no regret. What to do?
The problem is a matrix of benefits & influence that holds the bad actors. Inquisitor / prosecutor-guy has sponsors, and a system, and frankly gets a payoff – from the agenda-mongers who will sponsor him next time, from some law enforcement who don’t want civilians armed at all, from a local crony system that’ll generate fees and seizures. Somehow the impound lot owner is always related to somebody who’s part of seizing cars.
The judgment-challenged open carry-guy has no system. He’s just a guy. He’s screwed not because of a his lapses in judgment – several and small, by comparison – but because those lapses made him fair game for a system looking for fodder.
A standing donation-funded defense fund for “victims of mountains made of molehills” would be a start. We’d at least balance, a bit, the gigantic mechanism of law and public funding as it grinds up a guy who had a lapse in judgment – but where’s the judgment in taking him apart for this? Where’s the discretion in DA-guy prosecuting this in the press?
Where’s the donation link?
Bobo the Russian monkey grew weary of the German monkeys invading his territory and decided to do something about it…
10 rounders are nice when shooting from field positions (and the bench) like prone and seated and when using the sling for support, where you want the support side elbow directly below the barrel. The 10 rounder won’t interfere with your support forearm, unlike a 30 rounder or a 20 (depending on the individual). I’ll be picking up 4 of these when they become available again and I live in a semi-free state.
Might be fun to wear at the local gun club, or a rights rally.
Every day? Thank you, no. Too many chances for someone to have the wrong impression. Forget about the police, what if you wander too close to where some Bad People are waiting to do Bad Things. They see the badge, make an assumption, and all of a sudden you’re part of their target list.
does thinking about Shannon Watts wearing different outfits count?
/sarc/ Well if they’re going to insist on schools being Gun Free Zones, then they better start paying top dollar to get the Harry Potter and Hermione Granger caliber wizards from Hogwarts because whatever drop out they got to cast the magical spell that evaporates all guns when you cross the magical perimeter at Sandy Hook, did an absolutely horrible job. /sarc/
As ridiculous as the above is meant to sound, it’s not far off in that some are engaging in fantasy, wishfully thinking that if there is a gun ban, no one with have a gun. Works real well in Mexico and Russia.
I tend to rotate through my collection, and make sure I’m not just proficient with each variety but handle them naturally. My problem is I like variety, so I have revolvers, semiautos, shotties, rifles. I try to stay on top of the pieces most likely to be carried or used in a home defense situation first, but erasing the center of a targets with my Buckmark or popping full, cheap sodas 100 yards away with my Mosin is a great way to kill a couple hours. The trips to the local indoor range are usually used for training with pistols at common defensive distances, at least once every couple weeks. Got a membership for my 40th birthday… thanks Mrs. Scooter! I try to shoot two-handed, one-handed, off-handed, and although we can’t draw at the range, I can set the gun down as it would be stored or carried and grab it to pop off two to the chest and one to the noggin. Trips to my in-laws property are usual call to bring out long guns and stretch out across the field. Metal real estate sign frames make great target stands, and a metal-fabricating buddy made me a dueling tree we have yet to break in… may need to make a trip tomorrow afternoon!
Front sight; Press a.k.a The only shooting habits one should have.
Cliff, they can turn on you fast.
The only area a badge may or may not help would be ID’ing ones self to responding police after a shoot, outside if that I don’t believe they serve a purpose.
You have to understand that Ms.Clements is not just some random “ordinary” citizen. Her letter to the editor is an example of a technique developed by the Communist Party in the 1930s with their so-called “popular front” strategy. Ms. Clements is undoubtedly an activist who was assigned to write the letter. The totalitarian gun control lobby wants to give the impression to low information voters that a majority of “ordinary” people want gun confiscation. Whenever you see a letter to the editor that uses the buzz words of the anti-Second Amendment lobby you immediately should know that the “citizen” (or perhaps I should say comrade) is on assignment.
I have a great idea for a compromise: a simple white card that a person can pin to a shirt, with a happy face on it and the inscription “Hello, My Name Is _______ and I’m Carrying a BFG.”
Works for me! Well played, sir!
Ak pistols are dangerous and unusual according to Gura.
Oral arguments in heller, Gura, threw ar15 rifles under the bus.
You so called pro 2a lawyers are worthless.
The most intelligent reply to date. Wish I could write as well.
Don’t know what everyone else thinks about it but here is what I did. 13yrs ago I became a reserve member of my local sherriff’s pd. Now I get inside intel on what is going on in my AO, plus get great training and someone else pays the ammo expense.
“We were in the veldt, fighting the baboons. We applied Rule .303. We caught them and we shot them under Rule .303!”
Six years ago I got a nasty case of scope bite from a Marlin 1894 in .44 magnum. I’ve had a horrible flinching habit ever since. I don’t get to go shooting often and it’s gotten worse over the years. How can I fix it?
Shoot without a scope. Have a friend load your mags with live rounds and snap caps (about $17 per six) so you won’t know which is which. Tell him not to alternate. He can use all snaps caps or all live rounds or any irregular mix.
Focus as completely as possible on basics — sight alignment, deep breath, let half of breath out, hold breath as you squeeeeeeze the trigger, release breath. In through nose, out through lips. Zen baby zen. Your flinch will disappear.
I will have a 20 ga. as soon as they come out.
” Officer, I have a Concealed carry permit. I’m armed. my weapon is an my holster in the three o’clock. My permit is in my wallet in my right hand back pocket. How would you like me to procede?
I carry right front pocket, I’ve moved everything else over to the let side (as above have suggested)
No to badges!!
I don’t think the badge is a bad idea as long as it’s concealed like the pistol and only brought out if there is concern from someone. I don’t think it’s a pathetic sign of the permit holder and I could see a situation or two where it could calm a citizen who saw the gun. This works even better in states or areas that aren’t gun friendly. I cannot see this helping out with a cop though. Heck in my state cops don’t even know what a permit looks like because there are so few of them.
You think it would be just cheaper to clean up the school and put a bronze plaque in replacement of a floor tile. But I’m not in public finance 😉
Friend of mine favors the term “shit for brains” about this kind of thing. Along with civilians wearing BDU’s around town.
The unloading requirement immediately after shooting a competition course is a bad habit to engrain, one that could prove deadly in real life if you ever have to use your weapon.
I think the solution is a combination of verbal code and body language.
Such as, when stopped for a traffic incident, you say to the LEO “Officer I have something in pants I want show you” and then wink.
That should get his attention.
Piers Morgan accepts the Sarah Palin Challenge.
Well, the police can’t release the report now, because it’s so close to the one-year anniversary of the shooting dontcha know. And the police can’t release the report just a couple of months after the anniversary, because that would be disrespectful, see? And then there are the kids’ birthdays, elections, Arbor Day, the Summer Solstice, the Super Bowl . . . .
>> Jackson said the commission has ben suspended ….
As a loyal reader of this site I DEMAND the use of spell check technology before articles get posted. Random misspellings hurt the legitimacy of this site and suggest a sloppy, haphazard approach. You can do better.
This blog is a leader in the space. Please start acting like it.
Stev, sory buddi, no can do on spelchek.
fingers too fat on itty bitty phone keypad,
which autokeerectifiys it wrong.
my bad!
Hahahaha!!!! I think it is real funny, so many people can’t appreciate this device for what it is. I have one and love it. I was ringing steel at 300 yards with it today. Works well with a Leupold pistol scope mounted far enough up on the front to make eye relief requirements. Love my addition of an angled grip, also legal to have on a pistol. With the government being as far away from reality as they are these days it feels kind of good to get my digs in where I can, no sympathy.
DiFi confronts her phobia of firearms head on
Another article, this one from Lebanon. A noted difference in tone:
Man given to walks with his rifle arrested in Lebanon
http://www.thelebanonvoice.com/man-given-to-walks-with-his-rifle-arrested-in-lebanon-cms-938
I got one from http://www.shinybadges.com. It was made for cop block. I glued it to my phone case so the cops can see it when they are being recorded.
Just keep hiding the truth,so rumor millers can abound and anti’s can put their own spin on it.
he needs to take the gun and go get lessons and stop whining…
Remember their goal is to make everyone afraid of the big “scary gun”. Their agenda depends on ignorance. It fails in the face of an educated populace.
Remember, blind is a relative term. Some people are more “seeing impaired” than truly blind. No one should tell someone that has a hard time seeing that they can’t protect themselves, especially disabled people who might get harassed more often than a non-disabled person.
Jimmy Kimmel has made a career out of cheap humor and making fun of others. Why would you expect anything else this time?
Looks like a modified H&R Goose gun to me.
I have a Texas ranger style badge on my gun belt that has no writing on it what so ever.If a citizen sees it they would assume law officer ,but what you think is none of my business,it is about 1 1/2 inches in diameter and if anyone were to ask ; it is just a silver concho.
Actually, they don’t skip education when it comes to guns. They ARE educating kids about guns. That’s what all the zero-tolerance policies and punishments for even thinking about guns are all about.
They move on to legislation because their education isn’t working. Clearly, when so many people are so completely unable to learn that guns are Bad Things and must not be touched or even thought of, legislation is the only reasonable course left.
You mean these two dudes couldn’t scrape together enough loose change to spring for a few more pumpkins? Then they leave the Benelli M2 to clean up the scraps from the one shot wonder? There’s something seriously whack here. When has anyone ever seen just one pumpkin?
“Move like you own the world.”
“Possession of…displayed firearms”…
There’s a big difference between open carry and “displaying” a firearm. “Displaying” sounds a lot like “brandishing”.
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Yes but it’s the same dream where I become the supreme benevolent dictator. My first act is to throw out all gun laws and tax code. second convert the White House bowling lanes in to a shooting range.
It would appear that “See Something Say Something” isn’t working as hoped.
Sounds like the author is still pissed that the ATF wouldn’t hire him years ago…..
Hell hath no fury like an employment applicant scorned.
Now I read a lot of the comments and I agree that wearing a badge negates the conceal and the element of surprise. But with the new law in the state of Texas with open carry allowed by conceal permit holders only would it be a good idea for those that will support the open carry to have the badge to identify that they have a permit.
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What’s the effective range of their rifles? 400 meters. What’s the effective range of our Thompson’s? About 50 meters. I think we need to call for reinforcements.
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