“Federal investigators had ‘looked at’ Sikh temple gunman Wade Michael Page more than once because of his associations with right-wing extremists and the possibility that he was providing funding to a domestic terrorist group,” latimes.com reports, “but law enforcement officials at the time determined there was not enough evidence of a crime to open an investigation, a senior U.S. law enforcement official said.” Oh dear. On one hand we have the obvious danger of a neo-Nazi. Period. On the other hand we have laws protecting us from over-zealous law enforcement . . .

The FBI is prohibited under federal law from collecting information on U.S. citizens not suspected of committing a crime. In order to open a domestic terrorism investigation, FBI agents must believe a suspect has threatened violence, has broken federal law and is trying to advance a political or social agenda.

Huh? If it’s OK for the Fibbies to look at any group advancing a political or social agenda then everyone from The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence to the Second Amendment Foundation is fair game. Or the [Jewish] Anti-Defamation League to the Southern Poverty Law Center. Speaking of which . . .

Both the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center had tracked Page for several years. The nonprofit organizations collect publicly available information on hate groups from Web forums, pamphlets and other sources . . .

“Some private groups collect a lot of information, but they can,” [retired FBI agent Bob] Blitzer said. “Law enforcement can’t.”

Riiiight. Is it me or does this sound like a CYA disinformation campaign? I wonder id we’ll ever get a look at Uncle Sam’s notes about the pre-spree killing activities of Mr. Page?

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  1. Oh noes! If you stand in front of a Nazi flag youre a Neo-Nazi now? Am I (a Slav) one too because I have Nazi memorabilia ? Shit, my grandfather who was in the US Army Air Force (379th BG) brought home a Nazi flag and officers cap among other things. He would even walk around town wearing the cap. Was he one too?

    A gun blog is the last place I would expect something like this, but now that I spend more time thinking about this, isnt RF a Jew?

    • I think they went with “neo nazi” because he was a white supremacist, sang in a white supremacist band that extensively used nazi iconography, and ranted about race wars.

      • I think they went with “neo nazi” because he was a white supremacist

        The org the MSM claimed he was in, Volksfront, was a white nationalist org, not white supremacist. On their website they even have statement which preaches tolerance of other races. In addition Volksfront denied he was a member and condemned his acts.

        , sang in a white supremacist band that extensively used nazi iconography

        What is your source for this? I havent read anything but speculation in regards to that.

        and ranted about race wars.

        I rant about race wars all the time here, am I a Neo-Nazi? How about this guy?
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VqG_4ADFfQ

        • I rant about race wars all the time here, am I a Neo-Nazi?

          Let’s see, you also say you collect Nazi memorabilia, and remark in false surprise “isn’t RF a jew?”

          I’d say the Jury is still out on your question.

        • I’m assuming you have no understanding of history, as I said before, I’m a Slav, go google it. Why would I be a Neo-Nazi?

        • somehow i knew you would be the first to post on this one matt. you own any of cd’s of wade’s band? the distinctions between the volksfront and supremacists matters only to those in those groups.

          btw my granddad also brought home war trophies, but he sure did not wear them around town, good to know the roots of your brilliant talking points. Wow empirical evidence from a random you tube video? brilliant scholarship sir.

        • Volksfront…..neo-nazi…….white nationalist……white supremacist…..
          Its all just splitting d0uchebags to me.

        • @Mike S/sdog

          If Volksfront is so horrible why do they say things like “We support the right of all races & ethnic groups to live” or “Volksfront acknowledges the right of all people, religions, races and cultures to live free from fear, oppression, exploitation and foreign domination.” On their website. Oh yeah its a group for white people, it must be evil.

          @Ralph
          I’ll say it again, I’m a Slav, why would I be a Nazi? Go look up the holocaust death stats, then look up Holodomor, then factor in the losses from battle, the Slavs got it far worse in WW2 than the Jews ever did.

        • matt: That’s the second time you linked that video, and having just rewatched it to make sure, I still have no idea what the point is that you’re trying to make by posting it.

        • Matt, gun grabbers say they respect the 2nd Amendment, too. I don’t
          believe them, either.

          Make whatever distinctions you like. A d0uchebag is a d0uchebag.
          If there was to be a race war, and these idiots won, that’s when the war over these same distinctions, or whose crew-cut was shortest would start.

        • @Matt in FL
          read my comments above that video, and my quote from Mechman.

          @Mike S
          Oh noes, the horrible white people have fraternal organizations. They must be evil! We can’t be bothered to read their mission statements, we must assume they’re neo nazis!

          Not that any of this matters because the Volksfront said Wade wasnt a member. It was just the MSM repeating what either the SPLC or ADL said.

        • matt: Those are a couple of interesting quotes you have below for Mike S. and Sdog. I’m going to fill in the parts you conveniently left out. My additions will be in bold. Context is everything.

          “We support the right of all races & ethnic groups to live in a homeland according to their beliefs without foreign interference or domination. We believe an equitable division of areas of North America to the major ethnic groups would be a just & fair solution to existing racial conflicts and injustices.”

        • When you call yourself “Volksfront”, you’re making a point.

          And for that, they are d0uchebags.
          Never said they were nazis. I don’t f***ing care whether they consider themselves such.

        • @MattinFL-
          Yeah I stopped by their website just to see how much like the Loyal Order of Buffaloes they were. I sure was disappointed! LOL

        • @Matt in FL

          What is so surprising about that? I’ve said all along they were white nationalists. That is what white nationalism calls for. I’ve been arguing against calling them neo-nazis.

        • White Nationalist or Neo-Nazi… unless you happen to belong to one group or the other, it’s a distinction without a difference.

        • Actually, Matt, since I’ve been paying attention to who posts what here, I’ve always thought you were a Nazi sympathizer. Just taking from the clues that you hate blacks, Jews, and Hispanics, you must be white. Add to it the fact that you hate Israel, the United States government, the United States military, local law enforcement, and all federal law enforcement. So, having just watched a Gangland episode on the Neo-Nazi group, Arayan Brotherhood, and considering you spew the exact same hate here that their members did on the show, yeah, I think you are.

        • @Matt in FL
          Isnt it the same thing as a Brady center saying, spree killer or gun enthusiast… unless you happen to belong to one group or the other, it’s a distinction without a difference.

          @Kelly in GA
          Wow, I bet youre a expert now that you watched a episode of Gangland. And since I just watched a video from the Brady center, considering you have guns just like spree killers do, you must be one too.

        • As I said in a previous post, Volksfront was originally a prison gang, they were started by white supremacist criminals, and you are dumb enough to defend this organiziation. What ever, This POS was a member of the Hammerskins which is very much a anti-Semitic, racist, neo-nazi organization full of bigger morons than the ones in Volksfront. Even if he was a member of Volksfront, why are you defending them, this just shows that they are full of it and are really a group or racist f*%$ ups.

        • @Ralph
          they did, Hugo Boss was really good at what he did.

          @Jon R
          As I said in a previous post, Volksfront was originally a prison gang, they were started by white supremacist criminals, and you are dumb enough to defend this organiziation

          Our founding fathers were a gang of criminals. What is wrong with that? You admire them dont you?

          What ever, This POS was a member of the Hammerskins which is very much a anti-Semitic, racist, neo-nazi organization full of bigger morons than the ones in Volksfront. Even if he was a member of Volksfront, why are you defending them, this just shows that they are full of it and are really a group or racist f*%$ ups.

          Do you have a source for that Hammerskins comment? All the articles i’ve read don’t attribute it to anyone.

          What is wrong with being a racist, or defending a white nationalist organization? And what exactly shows they are full of it? Preaching racial tolerance on their website?

          It sounds like you would prefer if dissenters kept their mouth shut so you could have your witch hunt.

        • The founding fathers did not meet in a prison cell and decide to start a revolution against the British. That’s why their not a prison gang, duh. They were also honest men with honest jobs like lawyers, doctors and farmers. Not career criminal, like your buddies.

          I don’t care, I support freedom of speech, I’m not telling you to shut up. I just don’t like nor appreciate dishonesty. Volksfront has had a history of violence and racism, (I can come up with examples), just don’t bull$h1t me and say their not. They can put what ever they want on their website, but they have shaved heads, dress like skinhead, and are racist and anti-Semitic, but are not skin heads? really? Say what you will, I won’t tell you you don’t have the right to say something, but don’t expect me not to call bull$h1t.

          Its all over the news that he was a Hammerskin, I heard it on NPR this afternoon, and on my local news last night. Im too lazy to make this up. Just face it, your psycho killer buddy was not part of your Volksfront, and was a full fledged skinhead neo-nazi dirt bag. Shouldn’t you be happy about this? Your Volksfront pals aren’t violent after all! Why are you up set about this, do you wish it was one of them that shot and killed those innocent people, going against everything you say they stand for?

        • Matt: To bring up RF being Jewish as some sort of negative thing is beyond despicable.

        • @Jon R
          The founding fathers did not meet in a prison cell… They were also honest men with honest jobs like lawyers, doctors and farmers. Not career criminal, like your buddies.
          It doesnt matter where they met, they are a gang regardless. And Wade Page had a honest job too working in a metal shop.

          Volksfront has had a history of violence and racism, (I can come up with examples),
          Please cite a example of organized violence from them.

          Its all over the news that he was a Hammerskin, I heard it on NPR this afternoon, and on my local news last night.
          Please cite a article which provides a source. It doesnt matter how many places you heard it, if no one attributes it to a source.

          @NTE
          Why is it wrong to say that Jews are predisposed to assume people who own/are pictured with Nazi memorabilia are neo-nazis. As I said in my first post, I have Nazi memorabilia and am not a neo-nazi.

        • The Founding fathers didn’t kill a temple full of unarmed civilians for no rational reason though. They also fought a repressive force for a just cause, like freedom, liberty, and democratic representation. This hate monger killed to inflict terror.

          I was referring to the criminals who created your social club not having honest jobs, they didn’t, they were incarcerated for god knows what (one of them for beating up a black guy) when they founded Volksfront, which makes them by definition a criminal gang. I wasn’t referring to the Neo-nazi mass murdering scumbag with that comment.

          Here’s a interview with their founder, he’s a real boy scout.

          http://www.wweek.com/portland/article-596-the_flickering_torch_of_racism.html

        • Funny,

          I was always taught that Australia was the prison colonies and the States were just regular colonies.

          Unless of course you mean their open rebellion against British authority in the revolutionary war.

          Since we won, they weren’t considered outlaws. I guess if we had lost, that would be another story.

        • @Will

          Yes I was referring to the rebellion/tea party/etc. At the time we were considered criminals by the British Crown.

          @Jon

          I’m sure Wade Page did what he did, for what he believed was a just cause.

          The founding fathers didnt fight for freedom or liberty. They did so for control. The sole purpose of a government is organized coercion. A government by definition limits freedom and liberty.

          How do you know they didnt have jobs before/after they went to jail? They were all living on the street? Have a source for any of this, or is it simply what you want to believe?

          The interview you linked makes no reference to Volksfront engaging in organized violence. Do you care to try again?

        • The Virgina Tech shooter did what he did, for what he thought was a good cause too. He was just as big of a POS. Are you saying you support their actions because they believed in what they were doing? really?

          Last time I read a history book colonial Americans fought for freedom from taxation without representation and a host of other reasons, I don’t know maybe try reading the deceleration of Independence or the constitution. Government is about laws. Laws limit people, that’s not a bad thing IMO. But I’m not an Anarchist.

          Most all able body adults have jobs, so what? They were violent neo-nazi criminals in a prison that started a neo-nazi prison gang, and then try and make it look like a social political movement that should be somehow taken seriously. They rehash ideas of other neo-nazi’s, but say their non-violent. But I’m supposed to believe their “leader” has no violent intent, anyways he has been to prison for assaulting a black man. The interview I posted shows he has a history of violence and is a violent person at his core. To say otherwise is really disingenuous.

          I’m not the damn Associated Press, you come up with their sources to try and prove the media wrong. I haven’t seen anything saying he was a member of Volksfront anyways, MSM? Check your own facts. Everything I’ve read says Volksfront denied any links to them. Which is who you say he was a member of. How are they non-violent organization if he was a member anyways? They all say he was an “associate” of the Hammerskins. My source is every news source, google it. Would you like to try again?

        • Are you saying you support their actions because they believed in what they were doing?
          I was justifying their actions the same way everyone else justifies supporting the troops.

          Government is about laws. Laws limit people, that’s not a bad thing IMO. But I’m not an Anarchist.
          They are if they target you. And as we both said, they limit people, peoples freedom and liberty.

          But I’m supposed to believe their “leader” has no violent intent, anyways he has been to prison for assaulting a black man.
          Our founding fathers owned slaves, and would often do far worse to them, such as whipping them. As I said before, these guys were no worse than our founding fathers.

          I’m not the damn Associated Press, you come up with their sources to try and prove the media wrong.
          lol wut?

          I haven’t seen anything saying he was a member of Volksfront anyways, MSM?
          Try googling it, the MSM initially tried to say he was a member.

          Everything I’ve read says Volksfront denied any links to them. Which is who you say he was a member of.
          I’ve said repeatedly that Volksfront denied he was a member. See my post at August 7, 2012 at 14:37. To post this comment you had to reply to mine which I said he wasnt, moron.

          They all say he was an “associate” of the Hammerskins. My source is every news source
          And those news sources dont attribute that comment to anyone. Provide a article which attributes the comment to a source

        • Yet you keep on insisting over and over and over again he wasn’t a neo-nazi skinhead but a “white nationalist” member of volksfront… a pig by any other name… despite everything pointing to him being a skinhead neo-nazi, like his bands writing songs about race wars.

          And I’m the moron? right…

          Get your head out of your @$$, read any news paper, watch any news cast, they all say the same thing. You want me to post the hundreds of links from every news source saying this, cause you don’t want to yourself. You would rather cover your head with pillow and say it ain’t so.

          Fine, I’ll give you two links, one from the left leaning fox news you lazy bigot:

          http://video.foxnews.com/v/1774098967001/latest-information-on-suspect-in-wi-sikh-temple-attack

          http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19167324

          I’ve fed the nazi sympathizing troll enough…. I’m done with this.

        • The Fox news video attributed comments about him being racist to anonymous sourced. The BBC article you posted does not attribute the Hammerskin thing to a source.

        • An Aryan ethnicly distinct group at that. These neo-Nazis/white nationalists are a bit slow on the uptake. They think Sikhs are Muslims because they where turbans and don’t even know that they are brother Ind0-Europeans, i.e, white folk.

        • @tdiinva
          Which is why I question the whole racial aspect of this. The Sikhs were even members of the Indian National Army who aligned themselves with the Axis powers during WW2. This seems reminiscent of the whole is George Zimmerman thing. The MSM likes to say whenever a white guy is involved in a shooting, it must be racially motivated.

        • Matt,

          This is not about a theoretical black flash mob, this is about an actual guy who shot up a Sikh temple. The guy in the picture above, posing in front of a Nazi flag.

        • Matt:

          You miss my point. Most “white nationalists” look at a guy with darkish skin and say …well you know what they say. (Although do the say that about southern Italians who are often as dark as Sikhs?) This attack is highly likely to be racial motivated because Mr. Page is too dumb to know that Sikhs are not Muslims and are white guys too.

        • I’ve posed with a Nazi arm band. Being a Slav, how would I be a neo-nazi? What about Prince Harry’s (of Britian) 2005 Halloween costume? He wore one too.

          A theoretical black flash mob? They arent theoretical, they happen almost daily. When whites have flash mobs, you have performance art, singing and dancing. When blacks have flash mobs, you have property crime and violence focused against ethically distinct groups, such as the 2011 WI state fair incident. So are they neo-nazis too?
          http://violentflashmobs.com/

        • Matt:

          What kind of slav are you? The Croats,Slovaks, Slovenians and Bosnians are slavs and they were all pretty snappy with their sieg heils.

        • What about Prince Harry’s (of Britian) 2005 Halloween costume? He wore one too.

          That was mockery, not admiration or emulation. I trust you are familiar with the tradition of dressing up as something scary for Halloween?

        • lol, its not mockery, they generally dress up in a way they think is cool, take for instance girls who dress up fairies, angels, or something else with glitter covered wings. Or boys who dress up in a super hero costumes…

        • You really think that a British Royal was dressing up as one of the guys who dropped bombs on his grandmother because he thinks they’re cool?

          You are utterly clueless.

      • “I’ve always thought you were a Nazi sympathizer. Just taking from the clues that you hate blacks, Jews, and Hispanics, you must be white. Add to it the fact that you hate Israel, the United States government, the United States military, local law enforcement, and all federal law enforcement.”

        Lets see, by that definition Im also a “nazi sympathizer”.

        I dont like Israel. I think its BS for billions of my taxpaying dollars to go to them instead of american citizens…or go to a surplus and send my damn money back. Oh and dont forget about their treatment of palestinians and the fact that Israelis do not belong in the land that was stolen.

        I dont like the United States government. These war mongering, lying, cheating, plotting den of vipers are the antithesis of our principles as a republic to begin with. Its a national tragedy when there is a shooting in auroroa colorado, but everybody is dead f–king silent about our men and women dying daily overseas in a corporatist war for energy. Everybody is dead f–king silent about the false imprisonment and assassination of american citizens. Oh and dont forget that its documented fact that intelligence apparatuses frequently smuggle drugs into the united states and murder american citizens for blowing the whistle.
        -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aafia_Siddiqui
        -http://www.colonelsabow.com/

        I dont like the military. I respect the individual soldiers, though I do not respect many commanders in the armed forces. Like the politicians, they are lying, stealing, fraudulent vipers who only care about siphoning tax payer dollars to maintain their careers. Military preparedness be damned! Oh and Im not forgetting about the billions of dollars in waste to bail out corporatist defense contractors, the antithesis of free enterprise.

        I dont like state or federal law enforcement. I respect a few individual officers but not all and certainly not their commanders. Instead of serving the public and abiding by our constitution, they patrol the impoverished regions of our country like a occupying army, tossing harmless marijuana users into a f–king cage for having a personal spiritual experience and overzealously using paramilitary groups to siphon more taxpayers dollars and show everybody the size of their dicks.

        I guess by these definitions I am a “nazi sympathizer” LOL. Maybe I am a nazi sympathizer because I find it absolutely stupid to cry for the holocaust and israel when my father’s parents and his family (ethnic Russians) were slaughtered by the tens of millions by the Nazis and their own filthy communist government.

        Maybe I just dont like authoritarianism, whether it is zionist, nazi, communist, etc, etc…

    • In all seriousness, though, are you a neo-nazi? If I say Heil Hitler, will you instantly go into a salute stance?

      It’s clear as daylight this man was an avowed nazi.

        • As I said to Ralph, I’m a Slav, why would I be a Nazi? Go look up the holocaust death stats, then look up Holodomor, then factor in the losses from battle, the Slavs got it far worse in WW2 than the Jews ever did.

        • This is bittersweet. This is why the general public will never approach the topic of CCW too seriously. While a lot of people here seem like decent folk, you always have the bad apples who end up bringing down the intellectual credibility of the movement.

          matt, my friend, you make gun owners look bad. Horrendously bad. But…..that might not be such a terrible thing. I’ve always been in favor of stricter gun control measures anyway. Having people like you helping to discredit the gun rights movement helps out those looking for smarter gun control.

        • Thanks for that little window into the collectivist mind. Don’t worry, Kinsho. It wasn’t creepy at all.

        • matt, my friend, you make gun owners look bad… . I’ve always been in favor of stricter gun control measures anyway.

          The Idiot Gun Owner Of The Day articles here make us look far worse than anything I could ever say.

          Can you cite a single piece of gun control legislation that was enacted because racists owned guns? Or a single piece of carry legislation that was shot down because racists own guns?

        • @matt

          The Idiot Gun Owner of the Day does its fair share of damage. But having anarchist racists such as yourself support controversial policies centered around loosened gun regulation only fuels the fire of those that wish for more gun control. When they see somebody such as yourself, it only reaffirms their people that some people are never meant to own guns.

          See, it’s not even about the possibility that gun-related legislation has been shot down in the past due to gun-toting racists. It’s the fact that people like you associating yourself with the movement automatically makes the movement look bad in the eyes of those who were still on the fence about this whole issue.

        • When they see somebody such as yourself, it only reaffirms their people that some people are never meant to own guns.
          1A is no different from 2A, does that mean i’m not supposed to be able to espouse my views either? Just a FYI but 1A was created solely to protect controversial views such as my own, and 2A was created to protect 1A. And as far as some people never meant to own guns, black people make us gun owners look far worse every single day.

          See, it’s not even about the possibility that gun-related legislation has been shot down in the past due to gun-toting racists. It’s the fact that people like you associating yourself with the movement automatically makes the movement look bad in the eyes of those who were still on the fence about this whole issue.
          Because it never has in the past, and never will in the future. And in our over opinionated society, no one is on the fence when it comes to guns.

        • @matt

          What’s your point about the 1A? I’m not debating the merit of the 1A here.
          I’m stating the very real fact that you’re making gun owners look bad by spouting off racist and anarchist sentiments. Just look at all the other people that disagree with you on this thread.

          black people make us gun owners look far worse every single day.

          Keep up the bigotry, man. I need you to keep on discrediting the gun rights movement.

          Because it never has in the past, and never will in the future. And in our over opinionated society, no one is on the fence when it comes to guns.

          Well, as long as you’re around, we’ll know for sure that the movement will have trouble rehabilitating its image for the future. Also, your last statement is an assumption. Have you personally asked all 300 million people in this country about their opinion on guns?

    • if you pose in front of a Nazi flag? yes, you are a Neo-Nazi, if not just a regular Nazi. boy, that was an easy one

        • Those pictures were taken during and immediately after WWII, and they are pictures of spoils of war. There is zero, I’ll repeat that, ZERO, equivalency between those two photographs and the photo at the top of this post and others like it. Soldiers posing with a captured flag bears no relationship whatsoever with some random white supremacist scumbag posing (or his band playing) in front of one on a regular basis.

          You know that, I know you know that, and insisting otherwise is just you being disingenuous and provocative.

        • How do you know the flag they hung wasnt a spoil of war? And here is a modern picture of US Marines (in Afghanistan?) posing in front a SS rune flag.

          http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2012/02/10/marines_ss_logo_AP120209148499_fullwidth_620x350.jpg

          He also didnt play in front of the flag on a regular basis, those photos are from a single gig. And what about Madonna’s recent concert in Israel, with all the Nazi iconography? Is she a neo-nazi too? How about her Israeli fans who paid to watch that?

          http://www.gossipcop.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Screen-Shot-2012-06-01-at-11.17.08-AM-400×279.png

        • Madonna is a fucking idiot (not just for the example you gave, it’s more of a general judgment on my part), and the Scout Snipers were stupid and misguided. I believe they did used that symbol innocent of racist intention, and I also believe they were seriously, almost inconceivably stupid in doing so.

          OK, so you say it was from a single gig. I’ll accept that as fact and say it doesn’t matter. There is still ZERO equivalency between those soldiers posing with a spoils of war flag and this scumbag and his band playing in front of one, even if they only did it once. One is “see, look what I got from the bastard I just killed” and one is implicitly (or explicitly) glorifying what it represents.

          FLAME DELETED

        • How did the last paragraph of my comment get deleted as a flame, RF? As I recall, it read:

          As I said, you know that, I know you know that, and insisting otherwise is just you being disingenuous and provocative.

          I’m done dancing with you on this.

          How is any of that a flame?

        • I believe they [the Marines] did used that symbol innocent of racist intention…

          As you said in regards to the Marines, flying a Nazi flag doesnt necessarily mean that you have racist intentions, the Nazi’s did a lot of things besides the Holocaust. How is this guy automatically a neo-nazi just because he is in the picture with one? It seems like everyone is jumping to conclusions, and declaring guilt by association. I’m not saying that it is unlikely he was a racist of some sort, but a neo-nazi is entirely inappropriate absent other facts.

          There is still ZERO equivalency between those soldiers posing with a spoils of war flag and this scumbag and his band playing in front of one…
          I do agree with you, but you should read janklow’s post which I replied to, that unequivocally said that if you stand in front of one youre a neo-nazi.

        • I know I said I’m done dancing with you, but I’ve changed my mind, for long enough to type this comment.

          “…the Nazi’s did a lot of things besides the Holocaust.”

          Nuh uh. That’s the “Hitler had some good ideas” argument, after which they usually point to the Autobahn. Try again. No matter what else the Nazis did, no matter how good or sensible some of their ideas may have been, they will always be associated first and foremost with rabid, irrational racism and ethnic cleansing, and that association taints anything it comes in contact with.

          “…you should read janklow’s post which I replied to, that unequivocally said that if you stand in front of one youre a neo-nazi.”

          I read it, and he’s wrong. But that’s what happens when you speak in absolutes. “Always” and “never” are rarely always and never. You’re right, posing in front of a flag doesn’t make him a neo-Nazi specifically, but there is no arguing against the fact that him standing in front of it indicates an agreement with at least some of what that flag stood for, and I don’t think Herr Page is just really into highway construction.

          janklow called him a neo-Nazi, you disagree and say he’s not a neo-nazi, just a white supremacist or white nationalist or whatever. Fine, I’ll accept what you say, and tell you, again, that it doesn’t matter. For 99.9% of the population of this world, neo-Nazi vs white supremacist vs white nationalist is a distinction without a difference.

          And now I really am done dancing. As Bill O’Reilly says, “I’ll let you have the last word.”

        • That’s the “Hitler had some good ideas” argument, after which they usually point to the Autobahn. Try again.
          Just to name a few
          – Increased family values
          – Full employment
          – Increased economic output
          – Decreased crime
          – Animal conservation and animal rights (banning vivisections)
          – Public health (banning smoking in some public places, heavy regulations on advertising, etc)
          – Social welfare programs (they were socialists after all)
          – The VW Beetle
          – Advances in science (Rocketry, Cryptology, Medicine, etc)
          – Advances in warfare
          – Fashion (brands such as Adidas, Pump, Hugo Boss, etc)
          – Helping other nations free themselves from foreign domination such as India.
          – Freeing themselves from foreign domination via the Treaty of Versailes

          No matter what else the Nazis did, no matter how good or sensible some of their ideas may have been, they will always be associated first and foremost with rabid, irrational racism and ethnic cleansing, and that association taints anything it comes in contact with.
          Thanks to the Jewish controlled media. They’re really the only ones who still care, us Slavs lost far more people than the Jews ever did to the Nazis, and we got over it.

          there is no arguing against the fact that him standing in front of it indicates an agreement with at least some of what that flag stood for, and I don’t think Herr Page is just really into highway construction.
          As I listed above, the Nazis did do a lot more. Plus it could be a heritage thing, such as people who like the Gadsden flag.

        • That’s the “Hitler had some good ideas” argument, after which they usually point to the Autobahn. Try again.
          Just to name a few (I would name more but the spam filter is eating it for some reason)
          – Increased family values
          – Full employment
          – Increased economic output
          – Decreased crime
          – Animal conservation and animal rights (banning vivisections)
          – The VW Beetle
          – Advances in science (Rocketry, Cryptology, Medicine, etc)
          – Advances in warfare
          – Fashion (brands such as Adidas, Pump, Hugo Boss, etc)
          – Helping other nations free themselves from foreign domination such as India.
          – Freeing themselves from foreign domination via the Treaty of Versailes

        • No matter what else the Nazis did, no matter how good or sensible some of their ideas may have been, they will always be associated first and foremost with rabid, irrational racism and ethnic cleansing, and that association taints anything it comes in contact with.
          Thanks to the Jewish controlled media. They’re really the only ones who still care, us Slavs lost far more people than the Jews ever did to the Nazis, and we got over it.

          there is no arguing against the fact that him standing in front of it indicates an agreement with at least some of what that flag stood for, and I don’t think Herr Page is just really into highway construction.
          As I listed above, the Nazis did do a lot more. Plus it could be a heritage thing, such as people who like the Gadsden flag.

        • I’ll say this, Matt you are correct in your extremly narrow assertion that posing in front of a Nazi flag doesn’t make you a Nazi. Hell I might have a picture of me in front of one from one of the museums in DC.

          However, given the context of his friends saying he talked about race wars, played in the neo-nazi band scene for many years and the other racist undertones I think taking ALL of the evidence into account it’s easy to say he was a racist.

          When someone poses in front of a Nazi flag you need to know the context of the photo, we know the context, he was playing in a band that produced songs that I would never want my children to hear about racist killings, etc.

          Matt you are taking the classic approach to a losing argument, you take tiny fact (or comments of others) and say “nuh uh” you can pose in front of a Nazi flag and not shoot up a temple. No kidding, take everything in context and you could see other people points, instead of quoting a tiny piece of what someone said and trying to blow it up into something it’s not.

        • Matt – Try looking past the campaign rhetoric:

          -Increased Family Values (the party APPROVED values, camp for values that are not approved)
          -Full employment (in Party approved carteled industries to prepare the country for war in the east to aquire “living space” from the Untermenchen SLAVS)
          -Increased Ecomnomic Output (See above. Hitler wanted Autarchy so Germany couldn’t be blockaded and starved for resources like in WWI)
          -Decreased crime (specifically political crime from competeing Leftists in the Communists. Easy to do when you suspend fair trials and put people in “preventive” detention)
          -Animal Conservation and Animal Rights (sounds like part of the Dems agenda today, forceing Hitlers personal vegan views on the nation)
          -Public Health (again, sounds like the Dems current agenda……..and forcing Hitlers ideas on health on the entire nation, like banning Jews from breeding with “pure” Germans, forced sterilization of “undesireables” sounds like Margaret Sangers agenda)
          -Social Welfare Programs (see above Dem agenda, enforced by Govt mandate, and under threat of prison or expulsion)
          -VW Beetle (immediately reworked for military use and not released for general public use until post war CAPITALISM used it for reconstruction. Oh, and nevermind that had Hitler gotten is way, the VW would have been the party approved VOLT of the 40’s)
          -Advances in Science and Warfare (specifically for military use in the war against Untermenschen SLAVS and their Western puppets)
          -Fashion (please elaborate since these companies have become perfect examples of POST-NAZI capitalism)
          -Ending Colonialism (a tactic to undermine the west and assist in their war effort, the Germans could have cared less about the concept of colonies since that was exactly what they wanted to do to the SLAVIC lands to the east. Oh, and they offered to leave England’s empire alone in exchange for peace)
          -Repudiating Versailles (about the only legitimatepoint on your list, and was put in place by the WWI equivilents of the WESTERN FASCISTS….the “progressives”)

          So I guess to a Sheeple that has already decided to endorse the NAZI platform, those sound bites sound great. But to any educated person who has looked at how they were applied and what they really meant (which they could have in the 30’s by reading Mein Kampf and it’s sequel), any true Classical Liberal (pronounced Conservative in the US) they are selling points of totalitarian dictatorship.

          Nice try though.

        • @cwalton
          I never denied he might be a racist. What is wrong with racism?

          I was arguing over whether is was appropriate to call him a neo nazi. As I said in the first post in this article, i’m and a well known racist here, and have Nazi memorabilia, but am certainly not a neo nazi.

        • @Viper26

          I would post links but there would be too many, and the spam filter triggers when you post more than 2, so I’m just going to tell you to go to wikipedia a lot. And why do you keep on brining up the Slavs, didnt you read half of my other posts here, which I mention I’m a Slav? And since you keep on bringing up the Democrats, then surely the US can’t be that much different from the Nazis. Republicans too if you look close enough

          the party APPROVED values, camp for values that are not approved
          Care to make a specific claim? It is ambiguous enough that I can say we have the same thing here in the US.

          in Party approved carteled industries to prepare the country for war in the east to aquire “living space” from the Untermenchen SLAVS)
          Same way here in the US, industry is regulated.

          See above. Hitler wanted Autarchy so Germany couldn’t be blockaded and starved for resources like in WWI)
          wut? they were lacking plenty of natural resources before/during the war.

          Easy to do when you suspend fair trials and put people in “preventive” detention)
          We do the same thing here in the US. Trials are never fair, the state always has significantly more resources than the accused. I’ve had a Cook County ASA try to have me preventively incarcerated.

          -Animal Conservation and Animal Rights (sounds like part of the Dems agenda today, forceing Hitlers personal vegan views on the nation)
          lol wut? vegan views? I was referring to game conservation and banning vivisections. Can you cite a source for your vegan comment?

          -Public Health (again, sounds like the Dems current agenda……..and forcing Hitlers ideas on health on the entire nation
          I was referring to smoking…

          -VW Beetle (immediately reworked for military use and not released for general public use until post war CAPITALISM used it for reconstruction.
          There were Beetles which were not used for warfare between 40-45, check wikipedia.

          -Fashion (please elaborate since these companies have become perfect examples of POST-NAZI capitalism)
          Check the wikipedia pages for Hugo Boss, Adidas and Puma

          -Ending Colonialism (a tactic to undermine the west
          Oh noes, underminding the western world… even though German is part of the western world.

          So I guess to a Sheeple that has already decided to endorse the NAZI platform, those sound bites sound great
          I guess your not familiar with me here. I’m a anarchist playing devils advocate.

    • Just because you have a Slavic backgroiund does make you immune from being a NAZI. THAT is the most moronic arguement I have heard today. How about the almost 1 MILLION Russians that joined or were impressed into the German Army in WWII? Granted, that does not make them NAZI’s in the ideological sense, but working for them is almost as bad. And that doesn’t even count the thousands of Slavs from other nations who worked willingly for the Germans AND shared their ideology.

      I am NOT saying that makes you a NAZI or Neo-NAZI, I am saying that just having a Slavic ethnic background does not auto exempt it either.

    • If by “people” you mean the media, and if by “amusing” you mean deplorable dishonesty entirely at odds with even a passing stab at historical accuracy… then I agree.

      It’s nothing new– every time any kind of Nazi nutball is in the news, that little faux-toid is happily injected. The real irony in play is that the idiots writing it likely have absolutely no idea what “NSDAP” even means.

      • Speaking of ironies: NSDAP was just a feel-good catchall phrase to try to convince the average person that the Nazi Party stood with them. They arguably weren’t even a national party.

        I’m not really curious to know how you guys think fascism is not a “right-wing” belief. I hear you on the unfairness of lumping conservativism in with other groups (for example, royalists or Tories) but the left gets it too. How progressive and liberal was North Vietnam? Hardly anything at all like the Democratic administrations that pursued the war with them. And Pol Pot’s Cambodia makes the North Vietnamese look almost warm and cuddly in comparison. These classifications persist merely because they can be useful when used well. I think that when you read about ecoterrorists in the news, they’ll be (or will likely be) labeled leftist.

        • Fascism and it’s ilk (NAZIism, etc….) are competing LEFT-WING ideologies with Communism and Democratic Socialism. They were labeled as right wing by Stalin and his propaganda wing and then spread by his “useful idiots” here in the US. American “Progressiveism” and “American Liberalism” are the domestic equivilents of these movements.

  4. But, but, but, but… It’s a false flag incident!!!2!!1! He was really a psych-ops super secret warrior sent by the gubberment to kill brown people so Congress could pass new anti-gun laws. The FBI didn’t do anything because they knew he was a spook on a mission!

    Don’t you just love a good conspiracy theory?

    • if you think conspiracy theories are amusing, conspiracy facts are appropriate times for passing the popcorn.

      • Confession time: I have, on occasion, wound up some LaRouchies for cheap entertainment.

        In my defense, I had missed the bus and had about an hour to kill.

        • I prefer the michael ruppert books. The only problem is that i learned to stay away from them at night if i wanted a complete cycle of sleep.

        • he wrote “Confronting Collapse” and “A Presidential Energy Policy” alongside the book “Collapse”.

          Of course, the finest works are on fromthewilderness.com

          It is my opinion he is one of the most significant patriots of our time.

  5. So, a white guy armed with scary black guns shoots up a theater, and then a “right wing extremist” shoots up a temple. So close to a pivotal election. Boy, the progs couldn’t have picked better propaganda targets if they tried.

    And yet in gun-free Chicago in the next two days, more people than this will die.

    You know, a likely explanation for why this occurred so soon after the theater shooting is simply that this scumbag was motivated (inspired?) by the Aurora shooter’s actions. Spurred to take action himself, to act on some psychotic desire he’s always had. A copycat. If so, then chalk up another media-inspired disaster.

      • Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

        In other words, there’s no evidence that supports it, or denies it’s factualness. He could be a copy-cat nut-job, and then he could be just another random nut-job. We may never know. However, we already know (we have evidence) that the MSM will twist truths, take things out of context, and if all else fails, create their own facts to sell the news, spread FUD, and/or push their own agendas.

        He’s dead. So, unless he left some message telling us, we have absence of evidence, not evidence of absence or evidence of presence (in reference to his motives and trigger.)

    • this scumbag was motivated (inspired?) by the Aurora shooter’s actions

      That thought crossed my mind as well.

      • Likely. The potential for massive notoriety on behalf of media vultures was demonstrated in spades after that one and the one in Arizona, and that is one of the heavier straws that tend to break the crazy camel’s back.

      • Maybe some mind control wires got crossed. Holmes was in Colorado and Page was on Holmes Ave in Cudahy.

        • LMAO….I didn’t catch that. Was that his actual address? That’s actually kinda funny in a macabe way.

      • I do firmly believe that the shootings we are seeing lately are made worse by the MSM coverage that they get. Everyone wants a higher body count because the first thing they say is Colorado was the worst shooting since Virginia Tech. At least they are smart enough to use the location instead of the shooter’s name for the most part.

        I also don’t believe that it is a stretch to say that this shooter may have been encouraged by the Colorado shootings. He may not be a copy cat, but seeing the “successful” shooting in Colorado could have encouraged him to act out on his documented racism.

        Either way it’s horrible, I don’t know the solution.

  6. “Some private groups collect a lot of information, but they can,” [retired FBI agent Bob] Blitzer said. “Law enforcement can’t.
    — I wonder how much of that information gets unofficially shared?

    • The feds wouldn’t be building super-sized data centers to hold data, unless they were collecting it on more than just law-breakers and terror groups.

      • I suspect the plan is to capture everything, and then go through the archived data once they have some indication that a particular bit of data is relevant to an ongoing investigation.

        Welcome to the surveillance state.

  8. “Both the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center had tracked Page for several years. The nonprofit organizations collect publicly available information on hate groups from Web forums, pamphlets and other sources . . .”

    Would they consider TTAG posts and reader comments as a hate group?

      • jesus on a stick… “fellow jews”?? do you seriously believe this “jewish conspiracy” BS?

        I thought you were being sarcastic/ironic farther up the thread…

        • matt, our own little FLAMED DELETED. no matter what you say he will wiki up some cherry picked “facts” to back his bs. we all know what it’s about. he’s said himself he was on court ordered meds when he was 15 and at some point he was locked down, the only white boy in a cell block full of brothers. you fill in the blanks. i would almost feel sorry for him if FLAME DELETED

        • So how about you cherry pick some facts to counter my position. How about pointing out the last time the ADL went after Jewish extremists? As I said yesterday, i’m more than willing to listen and discuss, but all you seem to be interested in is childish name calling.

        • i don’t want to dicuss or argue with you matt. how about an unscientific ttag poll. those that agree with my assesment of matt post”jwm +1″ those who think i’m wrong about matt post “matt +1”

        • Dude, I asked if you actually believe in a “jewish conspiracy”. I take it from the fact that your response could only be interpreted as an attempt to provide proof for one the answer is “yes” you do believe in a jewish conspiracy. interesting to know.

        • Yes it is interesting because the only people who believe that insane nonsense are some flavor of neo-Nazi or other anti-Semitic variety.

          Your comments make a scary and compelling argument for why people, especially targeted ethnicities, need to carry guns for protection against crazy white power people.

        • I see, so because I think the ADL doesn’t go after Jews, and because you can’t cite a single instance of them doing so, i’m crazy, and a threat to jews….

        • No, not because you “think the ADL doesn’t go after Jews”. That is an absurd re-framing of the argument. You can’t cite a single instance of the ADL going after vegetarians either, because that isn’t their wheelhouse, so why would they?

          If you have all but admitted that you believe in a “jewish conspiracy” by evasiveness and weak attempted justifications of a conspiracy belief when asked directly if you believe in a “jewish conspiracy”, then that suggests craziness.

          What would make a person potentially threatening to others is the combination of racism and the believing in/perpetuation of crazy ideas about other races (particularly crazy ideas which if true would be used as justification for offensive action against said races, and have ideas which have been used before to justify action against said races).

          The existence of such threats on innocent people is a compelling argument for why innocent people need to be able to protect themselves. That is all.

        • You can’t cite a single instance of the ADL going after vegetarians either, because that isn’t their wheelhouse, so why would they?

          Hitler was a vegetarian. So can you cite a instance when the ADL went after their fellow Jews?

        • None of this has nothing to do with vegetarians or the ADL. You are being intentionally obtuse and trying to shift the argument to some trivial domain. False context, false association, still terrifying.

      • “The SPLC likely would, the ADL would too if this site wasnt ran by their fellow Jews.”

        I think it takes more to become Jewish than simply not hating jews. Though I have heard some Jews like Catholics suffer from a degree of self-loathing. Holy crap, Matt are you Jewish?

    • Depends on the comments. HA!

      I will say this: TTAG is better than most gun blogs out there. I appreciate the site trying to keep a level-headed, rational stance on firearm-related issues / news.

    • most likely they’ll consider this site a “hate group”.

      Here’s some advice. If this site wants to avoid being lumped as a hate group, post a bunch of pro Israel and pro-IDF articles. Itll be safe for sure.

  9. “In order to open a domestic terrorism investigation, FBI agents must BELIEVE a suspect [1]has threatened violence, [2]has broken federal law AND [3] is trying to advance a political or social agenda.” (emphasis added)

    The “advance a political or social agenda” requirement is in conjunction with the other requirements, not a disjunctive “or” condition. So the Brady Bunch, and the other organizations mentioned could not be rationalized as subject to investigation based on this statement, unless the other “requirements” were met.

    What is scary is that Agents must only “believe”, not prove, not have evidence to support, just “feel convinced” in their own minds, that an investigation should be opened.
    Still, despite the frightening ease of opening an investigation, and the fact that at least two civil rights organizations considered him a possible threat, and collected publicly available info on his activities, “Law enforcement can’t.”

    You ask “. . . does this sound like a CYA disinformation campaign?” Robert, I hear a duck quacking.

  10. I’m really tired of the media’s lie that Nazism is “right-wing”. It is, and always has been, a left-wing movement.

    • True. Fascism ie Corporatism has far more shared political/social/economic values and beliefs with socialism and modern liberal goals than with the values of the Right. The German Nazi Fascists were also nationalistic ie by race/ethnic group a value often associated with the Right whereas the Left preaches the international socialists united coop blah blah blah stuff.

    • Bull. Maybe it’s just that not every damned thing can be broken down into left vs. right American politics and people like to call the other side Nazis.

      American right or left wing politics have not a crap to do with Nazis and neither is “closer” to Nazis on some ideological continuum. The association of either is utterly BS.

      • Apparently you’ve yet to read a history book and are unaware of anything the Nazis stood for other than “we hate Jews”.

        • For me that’s more than enough. Although I’ve read plenty of history books on the period.

        • I have all of the required reading, thanks. To compare either of the main american political parties to Nazis is still false argument based on a one dimensional political spectrum which doesn’t actually exist outside of the american media and american partisan ideology.

      • Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning

        “the Nazis were ardent socialists (hence the term “National socialism”). They believed in free health care and guaranteed jobs. They confiscated inherited wealth and spent vast sums on public education. They purged the church from public policy, promoted a new form of pagan spirituality, and inserted the authority of the state into every nook and cranny of daily life. The Nazis declared war on smoking, supported abortion, euthanasia, and gun control. They loathed the free market, provided generous pensions for the elderly, and maintained a strict racial quota system in their universities—where campus speech codes were all the rage. The Nazis led the world in organic farming and alternative medicine. Hitler was a strict vegetarian, and Himmler was an animal rights activist.”

        “Confiscation of excessive profits.
        Nationalization of industries.
        State control of the economy, wage and price controls.
        Expansion of old age welfare.
        State control of the use of private property.
        State control of the educational system and curriculum.
        State control of the press.
        Abolition of class differences.
        Confiscation of “unearned” incomes.”

        Book review and comments quoted available at Amazon.

        BTW the Nazi’s took the early ideas of the California eugenics movement and evolved it into their genocide program.

        • So there are a lot of other non Nazi governments which do some or all of those things, therefore those aren’t defining characteristics.

          It is contrived logic to suggest that the defining characteristics of Nazis were these generally ubiquitous qualities/ideals rather than that whole militarized, attacking the world, killing innocent people, empire building, colonization, genocide, Aryan supremacy thing.

          Mother Teresa probably dropped a deuce each morning and an infinite number of other mundane things, but that doesn’t make everyone who does a Catholic nun… because that is not a uniquely defining characteristic of Catholic nuns.

          It’s all just trying to call someone you don’t like a Nazi.

        • So there are a lot of other non Nazi governments which do some or all of those things, therefore those aren’t defining characteristics.

          Yes, and all of those governments are *drumroll please!* left-wing governments. That’s the point that you’ve been adamantly refusing to accept due to your political views. You refuse to admit that, aside from the Holocaust, the Nazi party platform is almost identical to every other left-wing political platform that we see in the world, including in the US.

          It’s all just trying to call someone you don’t like a Nazi.

          No, it’s not, you and damn well know it because not one of us said “liberals are Nazis!!”. All we said is that Nazis are (well, were) liberals (do we really need to go over how Nazis can be liberals without liberals being Nazis?). Due to your liberal views, you adamantly refuse to accept that your preferred party supported almost every policy that the Nazi party supported. And while you may find the Holocaust horrifyingly repugnant, I don’t doubt for a second that people like Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid would be more than eager to round up and execute their political opponents if they thought they could get away with it.

        • I am a socially liberal/progressive independent that doesn’t vote for democrats or republicans. i somehow think that combined with the relatively obvious non partison argument i am making with respect to your wild partisan one suggests that maybe i am the one with the undistorted lens. i think pelosi and reid are just political toolbags and their main concern is party fundraising. that is what congress has become and the republicans are no different. To suggest that the American left is the same as Nazi, or communist leftism and that american left congresspeople would be morally predisposed to committing a holocaust against right leaning folks is pretty sick and deluded. as sick and deluded as suggesting the american right is all racist, authoritarian, and fascist. These claims are insane and lack the perspective of history and ignore overriding fundamental differences between nazis, communists, authoritarian regimes, and the reality of modern first world societies, favoring instead to focus on the terminology “left” and “right” and mundane non evil similaraties. You don’t think for a minute that even if such absurdity occurred and even if the police and military were somehow mind controlled out of being thinking American human beings, there wouldn’t be instant politically unified uprising against it among all of us? There are admirable qualities of the stereotypical American left and right. None of these people endeavor to be evil. Why would they? It is all hyperbole and contributes to mass insanity and partisan deadlock.

    • So the Bush administration was “left wing”???

      Let me guess, zbigniew brzezinski’s “The grand chessboard” was rife with left wingism too?

      good god people.

      The claim by the nazis themselves is that they favored neither side. Ill take their word for it (god forbid) and actually say that they were right in this instance. Nazism cannot be equated to left or right american politics or at least any aspect of the stupid “left versus right” spectrum. Evolve folks.

      • So the Bush administration was “left wing”???

        Well it sure as hell wasn’t “conservative”.

  11. Not sure why the Mainstream Media continue to use the term “right wing extremist” with “nazi” (other than the obvious).

    Left and Right were two flavors of socialist when the term was coined. In America Right and Left are associated with “Conservative” and “Progressive” movements. There was a lot more policy overlap between European socialism/fascism and American progressivism than American conservatism.

    Neo-Nazis strike me as largely inchoate politically, their ideology riddled with non-sequiter, long on bombast and short on logic. One need not agree with political conservatives on the “right” to see that there is a coherent idea at work.

    • Just a clarification that the origins of the political descriptions of ‘Right’ & ‘Left’ date from the early days of the French Revolution. From good ol’ Wiki:

      The terms “left” and “right” appeared during the French Revolution of 1789 when members of the National Assembly divided into supporters of the king to the president’s right and supporters of the revolution to his left.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-right_politics

      A generic description at that time might be ‘Right’ = conservative, meaning holding onto those useful traits of society/government while ‘Left’ = radical change in society/government to meet desired goals.

  12. The fact that the feds watch someone who has political views outside the mainstream should make everyone uncomfortable. If they can watch a guitarist in a hardcore band, are they watching actual CRIMINALS, like Bloods, Crips, Folk Nation, etc? Of course not.

    Are they watching the Mexican reconquistaists in LULAC and La Raza? Nope. Are those groups classified as threats, even though they openly call for giving the Southwest back to Mexico? Michelle Williams from the New Black Panther Party openly called for violence against white people, and is still walking around St. Pete. Why?

    • “If they can watch a guitarist in a hardcore band, are they watching actual CRIMINALS, like Bloods, Crips, Folk Nation, etc? Of course not.”

      Bad logic and an incoherent statement. If the FBI can watch a guitarist in a hardcore band, that would indicate capability, not a lack of it.

      Sure, we can talk about the budget, and misuse of resources. The FBI has a troubled history, as do many local police agencies. But it’s too easy to scream about misuse of resources from the sidelines. I don’t know why you’d care to make that charge, though, given what this guy did. The only way it would work out is if there was some kind of agent provocateur or entrapment angle, but I don’t see how that could work here. Even if the Feds are bearing down on you and making your life miserable (which is typically not what surveillance does), that doesn’t give you a blank check to shoot up a temple.

  13. The part I don’t get is we debate this (Nazism) as though it is something real when in fact I think it is a pretty obvious indicator of mental instability.

    I have some concerns about racial stuff more along the lines of HBD (think John Derbyshire) and that sort of thing and the actual findings of Prof. Putnam’s bowling alone…

    http://tinyurl.com/9kr9a42

    That being said, standing on front of a Nazi flag? WTF? How does that ever strike an American as a good or sane idea?

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