If you like military surplus weaponry, either as a shooter or a collector, then you’re probably familiar with the Civilian Marksmanship Program(CMP). In addition to promoting marksmanship and hosting the prestigious Camp Perry service rifle shoots, the CMP also runs the program where U.S. citizens can get surplus M1 Garands, 1911s and occasionally other rifles and gear. While that can be done through the mail, CMP also maintains three physical store locations. If you’re anywhere in the area of one, it’s worth a stop in.
Camp Perry, Ohio
As luck would have it, my wife and I had planned a weekend trip to Port Clinton, Ohio, at the beginning of October to meet up with a buddy of mine and his wife. We picked Port Clinton because it was in between our place around Pittsburgh and my buddy’s outside of Chicago. When I started looking at what there was to do in the area it hit me that Port Clinton is where Camp Perry was located. Which meant that the CMP North Store was there as well.
I’ve gotten a couple of 1911s through CMP in recent years, and I have my dad’s M1 Garand that he got from them in the pre-CMP Director of Civilian Marksmanship days. My father-in-law also got a Garand through that process years ago. While the mail order process works just fine, you basically get the luck of the draw, within the grade of weapon you select. Someone else is picking your rifle for you. If you go to the stores you can take your pick of the rifles on display and pick out the specific rifle you want. I always thought that would be great to at least see what they had to offer, so I added a stop in on our trip. My buddy was on board with checking out the store, but our wives had no interest. That was okay though because they found a nearby winery to keep themselves occupied.
The CMP Store is located on base at Camp Perry. Camp Perry is an Ohio National Guard training base and home to both an Ohio Air National Guard and Ohio Army National Guard unit. The rifle ranges at Camp Perry are also used by active duty for training and qualification. It’s located right on the shore of Lake Erie, and its ranges overlook the water.
Camp Perry is an open base with no gate guards and checkpoint, although the actual military units’ areas are located behind chain link fences and barbed wire. It’s a nice base that dates back to 1906. It was named after Commodore Oliver Hazard Perry who defeated the British in the Battle of the Great Lakes during the War of 1812.
Camp Perry was used as a training center for the Army during WW I and an artillery depot was built adjacent to the site around that time. In the 1920s the NRA built a Special Police School complete with “Hogans Alley” urban shooting course. During WW II the Special Police School was closed and the site was used as a POW camp for German and Italian prisoners.
The CMP North Store
The store itself is a short drive onto the base, and just past a small armor park with various tanks, APCs, helicopters and even a Nike missile on display. Being from Pittsburgh, I was familiar with the Nike sites that ringed the city during the Cold War. I’d been down in the old silos located on site at the Allegheny County Police Academy where I went through training and later taught. There’s also another Nike site that’s within a mile from my house. Not much is left of that one other than some buildings used by a University of Pittsburgh research center and the old base housing, which is now civilian rental units.
The CMP North store is located in a long brick building that also holds the Post Exchange. You walk into a small foyer with a window and then pass through a door into the store itself. It’s all one room and honestly not that big. It makes up for it with racks of rifles covering the floor, however.
When you first come in there’s a wall to the right with CMP swag like hats, shirts and bags, as well as modern shooting accessories. Right in front of you is a long table loaded with slings, bayonets, tech manuals, rifle stocks and other assorted surplus gear. More of the same is stacked underneath the table.
Left of that begins the racks of rifles. I was surprised to see the first rack was full of Model of 1917 rifles. Colloquially known as the “P17 Enfield” these were the substitute standard U.S. service rifle during the first World War. Made by Remington’s Eddystone plant and Winchester, these were adaptations of the British Pattern 14 rifle adapted to .30-06 for U.S. use to supplement the insufficient stocks of Model 1903 Springfields. The Model 1917 is a solid rifle and had a great reputation for reliability and accuracy.
The Model 1917s were likely returned from American Legion posts that had used them for parade and ceremonial use before exchanging them for other rifles, most likely M1 Garands. The rifles were carefully tagged with the conditions of the rifle itself and the bore condition. Most looked pretty good, and I was sorely tempted to grab one, but I did have one on my rack at home already.
It was interesting to see some chromed examples as well. From a purely military collectors standpoint, the chrome might be an abomination, but these parade rifles might make a nice addition to a collection that already has a good example or two in their original military trim. Their ceremonial use is part of their history, too. M1917s were listed at $1,000.
There was also a rack with a few M1903 Springfields. Like the 1917s, these would be returned from Legion posts. They were tagged and marked just like the 17s, and the only examples I saw were chrome parade rifles. Being that I inherited my dad’s gun collection, and he focused on Springfields, I was well stocked on these. It was still fun to see what they had available though. Parade rifles were listed at $700 if you were wondering.
I was surprised to see a handful of Krag-Jorgensen rifles on hand as well. Their provenance as parade rifles was obvious by the white painted stocks. The condition wasn’t great but again, the fact that they were used as ceremonial pieces for decades is all part of their history. These were listed at $1,350. Maybe that white paint would clean up and there’s some nice wood hiding underneath?
After this were numerous racks of M1 Garands, which has always been the star of the CMP program. These were divided by grade, ranging from Rack to Field to Service Grade. Like the other rifles they were carefully tagged as to manufacturer and condition. Different grades might reflect the use of replacement parts or new production barrels, stocks or other components. CMP also sells CMP Special M1s that had been rebuilt with a new production stock and handguard set with CMP cartouche, a new production barrel and new web sling. There was even a good sized rack of MK2MOD1 M1s chambered in 7.62x51mm NATO. In store there seemed to be some grading options beyond what you see if you’re ordering through their website.
They had Rack Grade Plus rifles and CMP Special Rack Grade models on the floor. Rack Grade rifles were $700. Rack Grade Plus were $1,050, while CMP Specials were $1,200. The 7.62 NATO MK2MOD1 M1s were a cool $1,600. This is more than they list for on the CMP website, but I think these were particularly nice examples. They were neat, but I prefer my M1s in .30-06. I think the other side of the rack from the MK2MOD1s must have been the Expert Grade rifles, but I was in a little bit of M1 overload and forgot to snap a picture of that to confirm. There are a lot of M1s to look through.
Depending if you want a rebuilt rifle to compete with or one with some character as a collectible, the choice is yours. Keep in mind that these are in fact service rifles though, so mismatched parts are common. Military arsenals were interested in keeping the weapons serviceable, not catering to collectors who wanted the elusive all matching-parts rifle almost a century after they were issued.
On the other side of the M1s was a smaller rack of Daisy M853 airguns used in competition. These could have come from an RTOC program or other military training program. I didn’t need an airgun, but I was vaguely tempted by one that had some neat markings on the stock. They were $125 each.
At the end of the day, I didn’t buy another rifle. I was sorely tempted to, just because I was there and had the opportunity to do so. And there were some great examples to be had. I know folks will look at the prices and note that they are not inexpensive. It’s a far cry from the $159 that my dad paid for his Garand back in the early 1980s for sure. However, the prices are still way under what you’d typically see at your local gun shop or gun show or on online sales sites. Plus you get to pick out the rifle you want, from the many that they have available.
If you do want to purchase a rifle while you’re at the CMP Store, you still need to meet all of the CMP purchase eligibility requirements, just like you would if you were ordering through their online program. That includes passing your typical background check and filling out your 4473, but you also need to show membership in an authorized club, military or law enforcement affiliation and a current weapons qualification. CMP spells out exactly what you need on their website so you know what you need well in advance of hitting the shop. It’s all part of the organization’s goals to promote qualified marksmanship amongst the American population.
While I didn’t get a rifle, I couldn’t walk away empty handed. I examined the book racks and surplus table and ended up getting a few tech manuals and books, as well as a number of slings from different eras for my assorted surplus rifles and clone rifle builds. Now that I know where the CMP North Store is though, and realize that it’s only about three and half hours from me, I may be back with some more planning. Either way, it was a unique stop and well with it if you’re a military small arms buff. The CMP stores really are a “must-do” visit if you’re anywhere in the area of one.
For more information on the CMP, their physical and online stores and their M1 and 1911 programs, check out the CMP website.
Outstanding article. I didn’t know that CMP had a freestanding store. I will throw $1600 at them for a MK2MOD1 in good condition. I get the thing about the M-1 and 30-06. I had my M-1 rifle barreled in 7.62 NATO because logistics. I have several other military rifles in the caliber and a couple of hunting rifles chambered in .308 Winchester. The stockpile of ’06 is reserved for the ’03s. It’s all in stripper clips anyway. I’m going to get these holidays behind me and get on one of those MK2s.
They have three stores. The newest in Talladega Alabama has an outstanding range connected with it. However the older store in Anniston Alabama has a better inventory, probably the best of the three stores.
https://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/cmp-stores/
They have THREE stores. All in the Eastern USA – NO DEI where actually need some. BS
https://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/cmp-stores/#Talladega
Id love to visit one. Great interesting piece.
Forgot to say, be careful of the parade rifles. Lots of blanks, not so much cleaning. All I have seen have very dark bores.
Our Legion post had 1917’s for funeral duty. They were never cleaned and if the funeral was in the rain they got put up after just a quick wipe down.
jwm, what you described was exactly what I saw at my Uncle Vernon’s funeral.
I’m going to take this opportunity to scratch another itch. To begin, I am not a member of the American Legion. I do admire the Legion. However, please give these guys more training in drill. I know they are volunteers, but still. At my uncle’s funeral they couldn’t operate there weapons during the salute without assistance from the Captain of the Guard. Then folding of the Flag was a bit of an embarrassment. All this was compounded by the fact that my cousin, his son, was an E-8 in the Honor Guard when he ETS. He had to help refold his father’s flag. I wanted to cringe.
Well if you’re a vet (any era/any branch) get down to he local post (or of your hometown) and join. ANY benefits yoou have due to your military service is due to the work of the American Legion lobbying.
It’s all ranks and branches of service – squids, zoomies, and someday spacecadets. You think they knew any D&C a when they were in basic? Most active duty Inf co I knew were not highspeed on D&C. National Guard less even so.
As the WWII generation has largely passed in review, the Army is now back to again supporting funerals. A recent burial I was at the sent a full time/AGR OIC and a real bugler (vs the old timer with the battery powered electronic thing). So thin on the ground is my post that I think we only had x5 in the last funeral firing party. A local AL post could certainly use your help. Depending on how shorthanded they are the might even put you to work as a member of “Sons of the AL”.
We clean our Garands about once per year/in a while. Firing 3 rounds a 1/2 dozen times a year. But we do practice/rehearse before going to the cemetery so don’t look like idiots. What the AL needs are a bunch of GWT vets to join/help out. Or sign up some vet of your acquaintance. I paid for the membership of my 2x 20 something Vet sons because I think it’s important.
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“As the WWII generation has largely passed…”
our last wwll vet passed long ago. in fact there is only one korean war vet left.
I am a revolver fan. I know that all services used .38 revolvers as well as their m1911’s. Does cmp do the revolvers?
My first center fire rifle was an 03 springfield that I bought at a yard sale when I was 13. Rode the rifle and a GI ammo can full of surplus military ball, about a hundred and fifty assorted rounds, home on my bike.
I miss the United States.
Not that I have ever seen.
They get limited qty of ALL kinds if guns. The rare/extra special are auctioned off to raise the $ to keep The CMP operating.
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Nice.
To finish out my WW2 collection I need a Mas36.
Nagants used to be everywhere however they are becoming rare. I certainly don’t like sporterizing military vintage firearms but that used to be a thing.
UPDATE: 3 Dead (Including Female Killer), 6 Wounded in Madison, WI Christian School Shooting. (Note: how much ya wanna bet this turns out to be another trans or other radical left wing ideology killer).
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The perp “identified” as female.
Was the perp a male cross-dresser or simply a female?
Note: I refuse to use the “male who identifies as female” terminology. That notion and terminology is just as silly as a 30 year-old adult male who “identifies as” a juvenile male.
As of the news I heard this morning, the cops are “not saying” whether this is a trans-related self-destruction.
So I say it is. After all, if it’s not, they would have said so. Anything to take the focus off of trans ideology. So by not releasing that info, I’m going to say that they’re hiding the thing they don’t want to talk about.
Because the Progressive hive-mind virus is trying to “normalize” trans identity theory.
I was excited about this new (to me) firearm distribution “channel” until I saw the prices.
The prices may be reasonable. I simply cannot justify them right now.
The price of “Greatest Battle Implement Ever Devised” will almost certainly be going down. Two weeks after hell does freeze.
Watch their for sale page. In Mar 2024 they suddenly had list – SERVICE GRADE: (Good to Very Good) M1s available (briefly). 1st time I order from them. Took several months to arrive at door. Like waiting for Christmas when you’re 5. Price is WAY less that similar condition at an auction.
The greatest battle implement M1 Garand bent its push rod shooting the same loads my Rem7400 digest regularly.
Which one in a shtf, the Garand with 150gr fmj at 2700fps all day long.
for any of you with one of the aforementioned daisy air rifles you can find some good info on trigger and other tuning at pilkguns.com. he’s also into corvair powered “ultra van” motorhomes. beware the rabbit hole. extensive engraved walther ppk section as well.
There is a large amount of surplus M1s stuck outside of our orders because Obama declared by EO to stop them.
If Trump would rescind that EO we could have more to choose from.
port clinton is situated within short ferry distance of put in bay and kelly’s island, both remarkably lively destinations with varying levels of debauchery. and the short drive to east sandusky and cedar point is well worth it for the assortment of world class roller coasters and lack of lines.
plus you can take your picture with fangboner road.
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