More and more information keeps coming to the surface in the aftermath of actor/producer Alec Baldwin shooting and killing the director of photography on the set of his new movie Rust, and wounding the director at the same time. Reports say that the Baldwin production cut corners, had multiple firearm mishaps and safety protocols “were all but ignored.”
The first reports after the shooting indicated that it involved a prop gun with blanks that misfired. We now know Baldwin had a live gun with at least one live cartridge.
And according to numerous press reports, Halyna Hutchins’ death appears to be the culmination of multiple negligent discharges.
The Daily Beast brings the latest . . .
There were at least two prior incidents of a gun being misfired on the set of the upcoming Western film Rust in the days leading up to Alec Baldwin discharging a prop gun on Thursday that killed the film’s cinematographer and injured the director, The Daily Beast has learned…
The Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office confirmed that Baldwin, who was both an actor and producer on the film, fired the prop gun that reportedly had a live round among the blanks…
But according to a knowledgeable production source, Hutchins’ death was avoidable, as they told The Daily Beast that within the past week there had been at least two previous incidents of firearms being misfired on set. The Los Angeles Times reported there was an additional misfiring the previous week.
“They had two negligent discharges on the same set, on the same day and still had jobs,” the source told The Daily Beast, clarifying same-day misfirings occurred on Saturday. “They had struck out twice and were given a third opportunity.”
I’ve attended more than one class where a student cranked off a negligent discharge and the class host discretely, but promptly asked the offender to clear their gun, pack their gear and go home.
Clearly something was, ahem, not as safe as it could have been on the Baldwin movie set.
The source points to producers trying to cut costs on the low-budget film as being a direct cause for the accident. Already, six hours before the tragic incident, seven International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees (IATSE) union camera crew workers had walked off set in protest of the abysmal conditions…
“They did everything they absolutely could to save a nickel at all costs,” the inside source added. “They put everybody in jeopardy in one way or another, whether it was hiring less than qualified people to deal with firearms or it was the constant fight about housing people appropriately. In all my years of doing this, this is one of the worst productions I’ve been on.”
Oh, but it gets worse.
Producers kept Rust on a tight budget, which factored into the hiring of the armorer crew—who oversees all the weaponry on the set—according to the source. (It is not yet known which armorer company had been hired for Rust.)
Instead of hiring seasoned, union professionals because of the higher costs, the armorers were young, inexperienced, and non-union members who did not take their job as seriously as they should, the source said.
The crew had complained to the first assistant director over the prop-gun misfiring on Saturday, the source claimed. “All of us yelled at him, ‘That better be on the production report, these guys are irresponsible and shouldn’t be here,’” they explained.
Union or non-union, gun safety isn’t hard. Unless you choose to ignore it. That’s usually about the time “accidents” happen. Ultimately Baldwin, as the producer, bears at least some of the responsibility for this incident, over and above being the person who pulled the trigger on the gun.
And now there’s this from an AP story . . .
An assistant director unwittingly handed Alec Baldwin a loaded weapon and told him it was safe to use in the moments before the actor fatally shot a cinematographer, court records released Friday show.
“Cold gun,” the assistant director announced, according to a search warrant filed in a Santa Fe court.
Instead, the gun was loaded with live rounds, and when Baldwin pulled the trigger Thursday on the set of a Western, he killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins. Director Joel Souza, who was standing behind her, was wounded, the records said.
The Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office obtained the warrant Friday so investigators could document the scene at the ranch outside Santa Fe where the shooting took place. They sought Baldwin’s blood-stained costume for the film “Rust” as evidence, as well as the weapon that was fired, other prop guns and ammunition, and any footage that might exist.
The gun was one of three that the film’s armorer, Hannah Gutierrez, had set on a cart outside the wooden structure where a scene was being acted, according to the records. Assistant director Dave Halls grabbed the gun from the cart and brought it inside to Baldwin, unaware that it was loaded with live rounds, a detective wrote in the search warrant application.
It was unclear how many rounds were fired.
Halls did not immediately return phone and email messages seeking comment. The Associated Press was unable to contact Gutierrez, and several messages sent to production companies affiliated with the film were not immediately returned Friday. …
Baldwin described the killing as a “tragic accident.”
“There are no words to convey my shock and sadness regarding the tragic accident that took the life of Halyna Hutchins, a wife, mother and deeply admired colleague of ours. I’m fully cooperating with the police investigation,” Baldwin wrote on Twitter. “My heart is broken for her husband, their son, and all who knew and loved Halyna.”
No immediate charges were filed, and sheriff’s spokesman Juan Rios said Baldwin was permitted to travel.
“He’s a free man,” Rios said.
As for the question of legal liability on the part of Baldwin as a result of this tragedy, attorney Andrew Branca has an excellent analysis of the matter at Legal Insurrection . . .
I’ve received a veritable tsunami of inquiries as to my take on this tragedy, in the context of the fatal force involved—Alec Baldwin’s firing of the gun in his hand, with fatal results—presumably without any actual intent to kill the victim, Ms. Hutchins.
Could this shooting death be characterized as an accident? In fact, there is a legal defense of accident, much like there is a legal defense of self-defense for cases of intentional shootings, and both are “perfect” defenses—meaning, if accepted by legal process, the legal defense of accident frees the person of all legal liability (both criminal and civil).
So, perhaps this was an innocent accident, in the legal sense, and Alec Baldwin ought to bear no legal responsibility, either criminally or civilly, for the death of Ms. Hutchins.
On the other hand, perhaps this shooting death is more accurately characterized as negligent, or perhaps even reckless—and if reckless, then certainly as involuntary manslaughter, which New Mexico law defines (in the context of this case) as an unlawful killing committed “in the commission of a lawful act which might produce death … without due caution and circumspection.”
Under New Mexico law involuntary manslaughter is a fourth-degree felony normally punishable by up to 18 months in prison and a $5,000 fine.
Click here to read Branca’s complete analysis.
“Celebrities” always think they’re bulletproof! Look out, here comes KARMA!!
By his long time rhetoric and nutty actions Alec Baldwin should not have been allowed to touch a prop-no prop firearm until it was verified numerous times to be safe.
The individual down range on the receiving end should have also said something the loudest. To lay this on the Armorer is a ridiculous. Armorer or no armorer Once any firearm is in your hands it is your baby and it is your responsibility to verify it to be safe especially when you know the weapon will be pointed at someone. Failure to do so could let you know how it feels to be wearing Alec Baldwin’s shoes.
To whom it may concern…If you are one of the numerous azzhats who I see at gun shows looking at a firearm that you pick up and assume to be unloaded and I see it pointing towards me or others you will hear about it pronto. Always keep the business end pointed in a safe direction and perhaps others will not have to listen to your snot nosed apologies and excuses.
Here in PA, a guy picked up a pistol off a vendor table, pointed it at that vendor’s leg, and pulled the trigger. He shot the vendor with the live round that was, for some reason, still in the chamber. In that situation the vendor and the customer are both at fault. So yeah, I don’t like it when people muzzle me, so I don’t go to gun shows. I also rarely go to local gun shops. Too many morons pulling out their carry guns trying to show off, and spineless staff that won’t tell them to stop. I stick to one shop where they will throw people out for that.
Such incidents usually occur when people cease to fire a semi until the slide locks and leave a round chambered. For one reason or another the not so mechanically inclined stop firing midstream and remove the mag and insert an empty mag to unconsciously make the gun safe and forget to eject the all important round hiding in the chamber. Out of sight out of mind syndrome.
Overall gun shows, etc. are safe and much safer than going grocery shopping, getting gas, etc. Nonetheless when seeing someone not following the rules that keep themselves and bystanders out of hospitals, morgues and courtrooms it is necessary to speak. Comes with involving yourself with firearms.
Here in Illinois, we can’t even touch guns unless we have a FOID. At the gun shows the vendors have signs that say “Don’t Handle Without Permission”
I don’t need a sign to tell me that I shouldn’t even touch someone’s guns without their permission. But sadly, many people do.
“To lay this on the Armorer is a ridiculous.”
No, it is not, if what was reported actually happened : That the Armorer handed Baldwin the handgun while *loudly* calling out to others on the movie set – “Cold gun!”.
Baldwin was also negligent in not checking for himself what the gun was loaded with, but the Armorer will most likely be held primarily legally responsible. A real shame, she’s only 25 years old. In 10 years, she may have the ability to rebuild a little of the life she had…
According to the article they sought out cheap options for the production. They hired a low cost armorer that resulted in inexperienced armorers being on set.
Who hires the people on set? Is it the producers? Baldwin was one of the producers and it seems not only did he pull the trigger but hired those whose negligence placed the loaded gun in his hand.
Some people think it’ll never happen to them until it happens to them and then it’s somebody elses fault it happened to them and too many people are willing to agree and entertain the notion that it is in fact somebody elses fault reinforcing this fantasy no-consequences world they seem to live in.
One things for certain: whether negligence or intentional Alec is sure to become a million times more insufferable.
In $deity we trust.
Everything else we verify.
God! His name is God.
This preventable and tragic incident is another example of why all guns should be outlawed without exception.
If it’s preventable (through basic safety measures [that were ignored]) why does it have to be outlawed ?
“Stupid is as stupid does.”- Mrs Gump
You don’t stop drownings by outlawing water.
“You don’t stop drownings by outlawing water.”
Since such a law has never been tried, it is impossible to know if your statement is true.
However, since laws are punitive, not preventative, the penalty for violating such a law (drowning) should be severe.
Retired Oakland Police Captain Shot in Gas Station Robbery, Kills One of His 3 Attackers
Silly old man kept his weapon, and kilt a human being.
Turrible.
Joyner spent most of his 28-year career battling street gangs. Not only did he work to arrest offenders, but he also headed up the Oakland PD’s “Ceasefire” program.
We shouldn’t close without pointing out that the criminals who committed this armed robberies violated reams of California gun control laws. Of course, they also ignored other laws like prohibitions against armed robbery and attempted murder. But that’s why they are criminals. They fully expected that Captain Joyner would just be another retiree who’d be easy to fleece. They chose poorly.
Branco has an analysis of the legal situation:
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/10/legal-analysis-does-alec-baldwin-have-criminal-exposure-after-shooting-woman-dead-in-apparent-mistake/
Someone hands you a gun & tells you, “it’s not loaded”.
Immediately point the gun at someone & pull the trigger.
Negligence.
Alec Baldwin did this. It is *at least* negligent manslaughter, probably worse.
Criminally
Negligent
Homicide
“Union or non-union, gun safety isn’t hard. Unless you choose to ignore it. That’s usually about the time “accidents” happen. ”
This. So much this.
Who in the Biden administration is doing the witchcraft to try to get the focus off of “let’s go Brandon”.
You know what, all of them. F_<¥ Joe Biden & Alec Baldwin & Donald Trump & Heels Up Harris.
I’ve never witnessed a so called “misfire” in my short 20 years of gun ownership.
So do these firearms spontaneously “misfire” during full moons?
Come to think of it, none of my vehicles have spontaneously turned on nor driven themselves.
I’m quite certain guns only fire when the trigger is pulled.
Simon134:
“I’m quite certain guns only fire when the trigger is pulled.”
NO. Absolutely NOT. Guns are mechanical devices and can have mechanical defects leading to malfunction. For instance, guns have been known to fire when dropped on countless occasions because of mechanical defects or poor design. If you really are “quite certain,” you are an “accident” waiting to happen.
“Guns are mechanical devices and can have mechanical defects leading to malfunction.”
Or, your jacket pull tab gets inside the trigger guard. Right there, you have a gun in *perfect* working order that fires when you didn’t intend it to…
Or you own one of over 7.5 million Remington 700s, 721s, 722s, or 600s, or 660s, or Model 7s, or any other rifle with a Walker trigger, or a Remington 870, or any derivative with the 870 fire control group, or a Nylon 66, or a SIG 320, or a Colt 1911 pre-’80, or a number of Taurii, or any of the other modern firearms currently out there that WILL fire without a trigger pull.
Other than THOSE, of course, I’m QUITE certain that guns only fire when the trigger is pulled.
not always true…
….and when it happens it will leave you a bit stunned and saying “What the hell?…”
So why shouldn’t everyone in a movie where guns of any sort are part of the plot be required to take a basic firearms safety course and strictly adhere to the rules on set? In the days of westerns the actors were frequently hunters or shooters and used to basic gun safety as a knee jerk, but not any more.
I have a rule of never handing a weapon to anybody without informing them of the condition of the weapon and if anyone ever hands me a weapon and says for instance ‘it’s condition 3’ I immediately check the chamber myself to insure that it is in the condition I think it is. Nothing personal, but I don’t trust anybody when it comes to that. When you’ve got an actor being directed to point the weapon at the camera (and crew) and pull the trigger you’d think the actor would take it upon himself to confirm the weapon’s condition, but sadly it’s not the case in Hollywood these days. Perhaps with all the publicity from this incident someone could make a nice profit teaching ignorant, hoplophobic actors gun safety.
It was not an accident.
It was pure negligence and stupidity.
Baldwin has done at least 7 movies carrying, pointing, and firing a firearm. Someone hands me a gun for a movie. I clear it, empty it, inspect every round, (in this case a Western Period Revolver) than holster the damn thing.
So many failures of non-union armorers, where did a real bullet come from?
Keep booger hook of bang switch comes to mind. Truly sad and an Epic Fail on many levels.
why would you allow live ammo anywhere near a movie set?….
1. To shoot Alec Baldwin
Touché! Lol. But seriously, how many negligent discharges did Keanu Reeves have on any of his movies? None, because he got trained!
“why would you allow live ammo anywhere near a movie set?….”
The ‘Band of Brothers’ cable series went through 14,000 rounds of live ammo, I recall hearing not long back…
And I’d imagine every one of those 14,000 rounds were used within a very controlled and staged environment.
Where is my old school HS English grammer teacher???
Language standards need to be enforced. A “clip” is not the same as a “magazine”. And a “misfire” is not what the liberal, uneducated, media say it means. Do not allow the Left to change the meaning of words. This is part of the culture war that conservatives have been fighting for decades now.
The news media is trying to avoid using the correct term. A “negligent discharge”.
“A misfire is when the primer fails to ignite the powder.”
https://www.handgunsafetycourse.com/handgun/studyGuide/Hang-Fires-and-Misfires/601099_700077962/
Agreed. A “click” instead of a “boom” is a misfire. It happens. Had old Eastern Bloc AK ammo in brown wrappers misfire every 5th rd. Good primer strike, no “boom”.
Baldwin should have worked with Keanu Reeves at a 3 gun match, training for John Wick. Range officers, pro firearm instructors, and what was the #1 f****** rule? SAFETY.
Technically, a “click” is first a hang fire. General training guidance is keep the firearm pointed in a safe direction for 30 seconds and THEN it becomes a misfire.
And they happen “relatively frequently” with bulk 22lr.
A “click” can be more than one thing. A hangfire is when there’s a round in the chamber but no primer ignition. A typical Type 1 malfunction.
A Type 1 might also be when a mag is loaded into the gun but the slide isn’t cycled, resulting in an empty chamber (I’ve seen newbies do this so many times I lost count long ago). Tilt the gun up slightly to visually confirm you don’t have slidelock as you step to the side, then Tap, Rack, and back to target.
….” Baldwin should have worked with Reeves”. This would be a rare instance – where an asshole being coached by the hair around the asshole would make the term ” useful idiot ” accurate. Interesting.
WTF is your major malfunction? GTFO!
No, they are using “misfire” to make it seem like its an accident the fault of the gun and not gross “negligence” and irresponsibility and intentional acts by Alec Baldwin.
A “negligent discharge” is still an intentional act in actions, someone has to pull the trigger, no matter if the person realized it was happening or not.
Baldwin knew of the incidents previously, he knew the cost cutting non-union hired armorers crew were not qualified and it was obvious to everyone else, he ignored common sense firearms safety rules, and purposely used the gun to joke around resulting in the two being shot and one of them killed when he intentionally pulled the trigger, plus he is the producer who is responsible for every aspect including ensuring safety.
this is at a minimum a “man slaughter” charge and conviction for us mere mortals.
For a Western movie, which have been done for multiple decades, single action revolvers require to cock it first than fire. Lever actions, all had blanks verified by at least 2 armorers before given to an actor. And they werent stupid/negligent.
How many incidents happened like this in the “old days” spaghetti westerns, Death Wish, Dirty Harry, etc all. War movies.
That would be none that I can find.
Haz likes it when James Campbell has a ‘negligent discharge’ all over his face.
And a sad little-boy like yourself likes it dribbling down your chin… 😉
(snore)
people..especially stars..often do dumb things on movie sets…remember McQueen once peppering Sinatra with a full mag of blanks from a Thompson
He deserved it
Ha ha Chris T said grammer bitching about grammar. Language standards must be enforced. Now write grammar not grammar 1000 times.
After all the cheap shots A Baldwin has taken against Trump, maybe S N L should do a parody of jerk off Baldwin shooting a cast member.
That’s about as funny as any of his sick satires of the Donald.
Too bad for the dead & injured, but when you associate with a turd you can expect to get shit on.
“Funny” has not been a requirement for SNL for what? 42 years?
I seem to recall the woketards getting all worked up when 45 made a statement about being able to shoot someone and walk.
The woketards ACTUALLY get to do this, shoot someone and walk. 🤔
This mental midget has managed to slip out again. Please alert us if you have the misfortune of crossing paths with him.
GFY
1 muckraker.
Seems trolls who have just “swallowed” (AKA; Soros payment clears account), don’t like it when their woketarded hypocrisy get called out. 🤔
“This mental midget has managed to slip out again.”
And a sad little boy (very little, I bet!) like you likes having something slipped in where the sun never shines.
Just accept it – He has no interest in having sex with a little boy like you who’s nads haven’t dropped yet… 😉
A “prop gun” that can fire a live round is not a “prop gun”. It is a real live firearm.
“Ultimately Baldwin, as the producer, bears at least some of the responsibility for this incident, over and above being the person who pulled the trigger on the gun.”
Baldwin bears ALL of the “responsibility for this incident”. He knew of the incidents previously, he knew the non-union hired armorers crew were not qualified and it was obvious to everyone else, he ignored common sense firearms safety rules, and purposely used the gun to joke around resulting in the two being shot and one of them killed, plus he is the producer who is responsible for every aspect including ensuring safety.
Yes, Baldwin bears ALL of the “responsibility for this incident”.
Why in the hell would you even have live bullets around when shooting scenes where you need blanks? I don’t even have live bullets in the same room when I am dry firing towards a concrete wall. I don’t believe this “loaded with one live bullet” bullish!t. Hard for me to believe someone said “this scene needs blanks…..hey this blank looks different, almost like a real bullet, oh well throw it in”. Bet every cylinder had a live one.
There’s no excuse for having actual live ammunition but if you’re shooting a western you’re going to have scenes where the bullets in the revolvers are visible. On the Crow set they thought they were safe by removing the powder but neglected to remove the primers and a bullet was pushed into the barrel and then when a blank was fired it launched it out the barrel and killed Brandon Lee. Simply loading fired cases (with spent primers) with a bullet only would have worked fine.
My guess is that Baldwin was supposed to shoot toward the camera and there were supposed to be dummy rounds that looked like real bullets in the cylinder. Not only should there not be any live ammo in that caliber (I’m assuming there was armed security with 9mm pistols there) anywhere near the set, but the dummy loads should have been easily identifiable from real live ammo when not loaded in the revolver.
often see this issue come up when a weapon like an M-60 is being fired…the blanks are quite visable in a frontal shot….
There is a lot of information floating around probably as usual most of it bogus. The one bit of information broadcast last night on CNN was that according to the rules no live rounds were supposed to be allowed on the set of a movie when the actors were handling and using guns.
What is also strange is the fact that he had the gun pointed at the film director and cinematographer woman. Why? Certainly they were not in the movie itself. One could understand an accidentally killing if one of the actors in the movie was shot but certainly not the director and cinematographer.
Obviously no one was given safe gun handling instructions either such as never point a real gun at anyone and check yourself to see if its loaded with live rounds or not.
Lets face facts with todays computer generated magic tricks fake guns that were not able to fire live rounds or even blanks could have been used as well. The noise of firing could have been dubbed in later in the film lab. But that costs money that the Capitalvanians did not want to spend.
CNN also pointed out that the lady in charge of the firearms knew just about zero about firearms and ammunition and she said it freaked her out when she had to load blanks into a firearm. I am willing to bet she probably did not know what a blank looked like compared to a live round.
Yes it was a fiasco from the beginning and to save money they screwed professional Union Workers out of their jobs to save money. Its typical for life in Capitalvania where life is considered cheap and only money is given any value.
Every facility I have worked at in my life that was “non-union” was less safe and often ended up causing the death and injury of workers because the Capitalvanians tried to cut corners on safety and safety equipment and training to save a buck as they considered the lives of their workers as expendable.
I could give pages and pages of historical data showing that when strong Unions were formed in many industries deaths and accidents plummeted.
In the past before Pres. Reagan the great gun hater and union destroyer came to power that many organizations were not able to use scab non-union workers to cut costs and put workers lives in danger.
If the Far Right ever wonders why people become Socialists look no further than the needless death and suffering of people who never should have been injured or killed or died because of a lack of safety requirements or that they could not afford life saving drugs or medical treatments that are not available or affordable because of the greed monger Capitalvanians who consider workers lives cheap and expendable.
Baldwin shares most if not all of the responsibility by not checking the gun he was handed, by allowing live rounds on the set, and by hiring non-union scab incompetent workers to save money. He should be sued for millions and go to prison but prison is not an option for the ruling elite of Capitalvania, just as Steve Bannon can thumb his nose at even the Federal Government because he has Republican friends in high places.
There is one set of rules in Capitalvania for the super rich and ruling elite and another set of draconian rules for the worker troglodyte slaves. Only Socialism is capable of leveling the playing field.
Another possibility…………
https://youtu.be/daWJTSvi97c
The woketard socialist “industry” in the US only instance that perhaps NEEDS unionization.
You hit the nail on the head here. A cheap outfit that wants to go non union, does that for more reasons than hourly cost, they do it for control. When the producer says jump, a union worker has to right to check to see if it is safe, a non union workers just does it. This has to be the same with armorers, union guys are supposed to be professionals and they check everything, they do not cut corners or allow wardrobe to hand out weapons when they are on a bathroom break.
How many stunts have gone wrong in Hollywood? I know that comes with the territory, but many stunts have been done before and there is protocol for them, yet people still get hurt.
Having a crew that can work together is great, but if you don’t want accidents, you hire professionals.
“I could give pages and pages of historical data showing that when strong Unions were formed in many industries deaths and accidents plummeted.”
Labor unions have historically been the largest most racists, or anti outsider, or anti-immigrant in the nation’s history. Many where controlled by organized crime. Many of them murdered each other and innocent outsiders. Hollywood unions where just as evil.
Black, Asian, Hispanic, actors and musicians can tell you many first person experiences of how, the “Labor Unions”, in the entertainment business hurt, held back, and destroyed their careers.
Labor unions were less interested in safety and more interested in making sure “only certain” types got hired or, a certain color of people WERE NOT hired for jobs.
Reagan’s War (2002)
“Reagan’s long series of struggles with communists, starting in Hollywood union politics”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagan%27s_War
btw
This was on accident on a job site. A work place accident. The “twilight Zone movie deaths” and court trial made Hollywood move out of California, to get away from the state level regulation costs. And the required state level safety requirements.
Hollywood doesn’t want labor unions. But they want you to have a labor union.
Hollywood doesn’t want you to have guns. But Hollywood wants guns.
I’m a big fan of Viva and Barnes. Here is an update on Kyle Rittenhouse, by his current lawyer. Plus updates on Canada, and many other legal issues. This is a very good source.
From Oct 23
Timcast IRL – Alec Baldwin Shot And Killed Woman, NEW Information Drops w/Viva & Barnes
video 2 hours long
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgkjyHnDovI
“Here is an update on Kyle Rittenhouse, by his current lawyer.”
Chris, I don’t have the hours of spare time to watch all of that 2 hour-long video.
How about, at the very least, saying when the Rittenohouse bit starts?
The fascist left is comprised of million and billionaires. They don’t care about safety or union rules. The little people are expendable.
Profit is what drives the fascist left. Greed.
“The fascist left is comprised of million and billionaires. They don’t care about safety or union rules.”
I’m not a millionaire or a billionaire and I don’t know any millionaires or billionaires. All the Democrats I know are hard-working wage earners, many of them union members for decades.
And it’s not only Hollywood billionaires that are eradicating unions, it’s basically a class struggle between the ultra wealthy 1% and everybody else.
In my personal experience, millionaires like Republican Don Blankenship are responsible for union busting, leading to the deaths of non-union coal miners.
See ‘Upper Big Branch’…
Soros, zuckerberg, gates, the list goes on. The left has been bought and paid for by the same corporate billionaires you rail against.
Expecting honesty from a sea lion such as yourself is too much. But if you cannot see that you are working for the 1% then you are truly ignorant. Or bought and paid for.
There’s an old joke about the British Labour Party (who used to play “The International” at their meetings) was also wholly owned by The Establishment.
It’s called hedging your bets. Better to control the revolution than be among the victims.
‘…the legal defense of accident frees the person of all legal liability (both criminal and civil).’
The only way civil liability can be avoided due to the accidental nature of an incident would be if the defense could show the ‘accident’ was something that could not be reasonably avoided. If you rear end another car at a stop light you can’t just say ‘oops, my bad’ and avoid civil liability. It might be plausible if the road was covered with a sheet of ice, but in this case I think there’s plenty of negligence to negate any ‘accident’ defense.
It’s not even plausible then. If the road is covered with a sheet of ice, for example, it’s a driver’s responsibility to anticipate that eventuality, and drive accordingly–slowly enough, and braking early enough, to avoid crashing into the car ahead.
Rather like assuming that an operational firearm just MIGHT actually be loaded with a live, operational cartridge, and anticipating the need to physically check it before pointing it a live human being and pulling the trigger. I don’t know; I could be wrong.
I was one of the ones who initially “blamed” the prop guy or gal. Now, Nope, it’s all on Baldwin. Negligent homicide for starters and worse if the investigation finds more. My the woman’s family find healing and peace and may she Rest In Peace.
Same boat. Thought it was the prop guy’s fault for allowing a live weapon on set, but seems like Baldwin is 100% to blame at this point.
That “prop gun” had also been used with live ammunition for target practice.
He belongs in prison. This menace has already murdered one innocent woman. There’s no telling when he’ll kill again.
Irregardless Alec Baldwin’s career is damaged perhaps beyond repair. Cheap out and kill a gal…
Baldwin’s past smug arrogance is coming back to bite him. It’s a pity that it cost someone else their life.
If indeed this was the result of cost cutting measures, as the producer, this is on him.
Where’s the ATF, Everytown, Moms, etc. ? Haven’t read a single word from them about this. Why not? Do you suppose it has to do with Hollywood and Celebrities? 😉
Alec Baldwin arrested for first-degree murder and possession of child pornography – media blackout
https://www.conservativebeaver.com/2021/10/23/alec-baldwin-arrested-for-first-degree-murder-and-possession-of-child-pornography-media-blackout/
“The Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office has arrested Alec Baldwin and charged him with first-degree murder as well as possession of child pornography, and ordered a media blackout that has been approved by a judge. Outlets in the United States are temporarily banned from reporting on Baldwin’s arrest.”
(with the above)
“Baldwin is said to have killed the cinematographer and attempted to kill the director, Joel Souza in a dispute over payment. Baldwin tried to make it appear like it was an accident, but further investigation revealed it was anything but. According to the Los Angeles Times:”
” Hours before actor Alec Baldwin fatally shot a cinematographer on the New Mexico set of “Rust” with a prop gun, a half-dozen camera crew workers walked off the set to protest working conditions.
The camera operators and their assistants were frustrated by the conditions surrounding the low-budget film, including complaints about long hours, long commutes and collecting their paychecks, according to three people familiar with the matter who were not authorized to comment.
Safety protocols standard in the industry, including gun inspections, were not strictly followed on the “Rust” set near Santa Fe, the sources said. They said at least one of the camera operators complained last weekend to a production manager about gun safety on the set.”
“When Baldwin was arrested at his hotel, he was founded with over 1,000 images of child pornography on his phone and laptop. He faces multiple felony charges. Baldwin’s lawyer did not immediately respond to requests for comment.”
“The fascist left is comprised of million and billionaires. They don’t care about safety or union rules.”
I’m not a millionaire or a billionaire and I don’t know any millionaires or billionaires. All the Democrats I know are hard-working wage earners, many of them union members for decades.
And it’s not only Hollywood billionaires that are eradicating unions, it’s basically a class struggle between the ultra wealthy 1% and everybody else.
In my personal experience, millionaires like Republican Don Blankenship are responsible for union busting, leading to the deaths of non-union coal miners.
See ‘Upper Big Branch’…
Sea lion barking to protect his corporate masters again.
Do a search on the “news” source. It is full of made up stories.
Made up indeed.
On the same page it states : “Brian Laundrie found ALIVE in Mexico, according to US authorities”…
I heered that Johnny Kennedy and Marilyn MONroe are both being kept alive in a vat of special solution (half blood, half sodium salicylate) under the White House.
Also, Epstein DID kill himself, the withdrawal from Afghanistan was a stupendous success, the southern border is closed and secure, and every day, in every way, America is getting better and better.
Fact!
Not many know that the JFK “moon” speech was just a slight modification of a discussion John had with Bobby. The discussion occurred shortly after Bobby found out his brother was banging Marilyn Monroe.
“I chose to have sexual intercourse with Marilyn, NOT because she was EASY……………..but because my D!CK, was HARD”.
Also fact. 🤔
Canadian here. I have never heard of the Conservative Beaver.
Always Google unfamiliar websites for quoting them for trusting them in any way. They also claim that Barak Obama, George Soros and Pope Francis have been arrested for child trafficking. All sorts of reputable websites out there rate Conservative Beaver’s reliability as “VERY LOW”.
Another web tip — Accurate reports about an event generally written by local media. If it happened in New Mexico, watch the New Mexico media. Just what are media in Canada, the UK, Russia and China using as sources?
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/conservative-beaver/
I fail to understand why a live round was even on the set. Guns are not toys and need to be handled as the dangerous equipment they are.
it was in the gun probably because Baldwin put it there. he has been arrested for first-degree Murder and possession of child porn, see what I posted above
https://www.conservativebeaver.com/2021/10/23/alec-baldwin-arrested-for-first-degree-murder-and-possession-of-child-pornography-media-blackout/
“Baldwin put it there. he has been arrested for first-degree Murder and possession of child porn, see what I posted above“
You conservatives are so easily snookered, it is easy to see why so many were taken in by the New York City con artist…
Note: The “Conservative Beaver” (see posts above) is in Canada so is not subject to the news black out imposed on U.S. media
Not sure why media would not report this. A media blackout ordered by a Judge in a case of Baldwin would not be followed by todays media on either side of the political spectrum. I take it with some reservation but it is plausible to have happened as stated. I Just don’t trust such reporting.
One thing for sure is we will know soon if true.
the site reporting it is in Canada, not subject to a U.S. judge blackout order.
I know they executed a search warrant yesterday but that’s pretty normal in an investigation like this. The “prop manager” has reported that the gun was cleared safe and empty prior to handing it to Baldwin with a “cold gun” advisory (meaning it was empty), and that Baldwin was the only one to handle the gun after that.
I read the article on their site and am curious about sources for these allegations. They don’t link any there, are you aware of a source anywhere else? I have been able to find any yet.
I don’t really know if this is real or not. they don’t give any sources to verify but that’s not abnormal for things that are being kept under wraps.
According to SF gate about an hour ago
https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Sheriff-Baldwin-fired-prop-gun-on-movie-set-16553839.php
“The Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office obtained the warrant Friday so investigators could document the scene at the ranch outside Santa Fe where the shooting took place. They sought to examine Baldwin’s blood-stained costume for the film “Rust,” as well as the weapon that was fired, other prop guns and ammunition, and any footage that might exist.
The gun was one of three that the film’s armorer, Hannah Gutierrez, had set on a cart outside the wooden structure where a scene was being acted, according to the records. Assistant director Dave Halls grabbed the gun from the cart and brought it inside to Baldwin, unaware that it was loaded with live rounds, a detective wrote in the search warrant application.
It was unclear how many rounds were fired. Gutierrez removed a shell casing from the gun after the shooting, and she turned the weapon over to police when they arrived, the court records say.”
Sooo…
1. Why would a “prop gun” be loaded with live ammo to begin with?
2. Why were these not really “prop guns” but rather actual guns capable of loading and firing live ammo?
“it is plausible to have happened as stated”
And Fox entertainment cheers, another successful soft brain conservative.
I said plausible because there are many who we find out are pedophiles that we never suspect.
Kindly note the full sentence I used:
I take it with some reservation but it is plausible to have happened as stated.
Changes the context doesn’t it?
And let’s not forget the very next sentence:
I Just don’t trust such reporting.
If you want to take issue with something I said, be honest and take it in full context. Otherwise you are close to being a liar about what someone actually said.
It is time for people to go thru Baldwins social media posts. Look for his recommendations for anyone involved with a situation like his. What did he call for as punishment and bring to him as he has posted in the past.
This individual was directly responsible for what happened on the set in his position. You can’t delegate responsibility to another when your the responsible party. But he will try.
Because it’s probably fake. I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that it was a false story generated to drive traffic to the web site. Money talks.
And you know its “probably fake” how?
that’s a pretty gutsy move to report a fake story like that which is so specific. Usually such things as you cite are generalities and implying and pieced together out of context comments. This one is specific about the first degree murder and child porn. Just because they are in Canada does not make them immune from liability for defamation, and if they are lying about it they have opened up a big can of worms for their liability.
But we will see.
Someone else already posted that the site is known for false statements. Scroll the comments. I agree, we will see, that’s why I used the word “probably”.
Try this: if the story about him is true then>>>
https://nypost.com/2021/10/23/beaten-alec-baldwin-seen-at-new-mexico-hotel-after-shooting/?utm_medium=browser_notifications&utm_source=pushly&utm_campaign=1532156
At the risk of pissing off all of the TactiCoolFools, I will point out that there is zero reason for actors to be utilizing fully functional firearms that can actually fire “live” ammunition. Even the M-16s or occasionally M-14s utilized for military funerals are equipped with blanc firing adaptors attached to the muzzle. The constriction that elevates chamber pressures and propellent deflagration rates so that the action will cycle cannot pass a bullet. Any accident resulting from live ammo will be unpleasant but not lethal. Revolvers obviously don’t need to have a blank firing adaptor to function. However; there is no reason in the world why they should not be modified with a barrel constriction to ensure that they can’t pass a real bullet.
I refuse to accept the argument that audiences need to see bullets in the chambers of a revolver cylinder to imagine that it is loaded.
real prop gun revolvers have modified barrels to prevent a bullet from passing but allow a little bit of blast to escape from the blank. This was probably not a real prop gun, but rather a real gun (owned by someone) being used as a prop to save money. They were doing this movie on the cheap and did not use normal prop rental, so who knows.
“..Even the M-16s or occasionally M-14s utilized for military funerals are equipped with blanc firing adaptors attached to the muzzle…”
Not in my day. There was a specific manual of arms that we used with M16s during a funeral. Yes, blanks were used. Charging handle pulled each time, the entire thing was somewhere in the vicinity of 20 steps. Hours and hours of practice. Done correctly it is a thing of beauty. The NCO in charge of the PallBearers carried a .45, loaded magazine. (yes, I’m old) Mostly because weapons were leaving post and must be guarded, but also an additional duty of the Pallbearer NCO is to be a unofficial guard of the widow or family member designated to receive the flag. (Sh!t happens at funerals, emotions run high) The NCO Pallbearer ensures that the Officer in charge has three highly, highly shined live round fired casings to slip into folded flag before presenting it to the next of kin, usually the widow. The job of Brasso shining job goes to the lowest ranking person the night before.
Every place in the military is different to some degree I suppose but this is how we did it in 1987-89. How my platoon was additional duty tasked with doing funerals for the Eastern side of Texas for those two years is another story. I think my total was Twenty-one funerals performed and I still remember parts of each one even after all this time.
~sorry, didn’t mean to bang on.
I notice that the blank firing adaptor currently in use is a rather recent innovation. It eliminated the old protocol to manually cycle the charging handle. It is also an extremely obvious accessory that enables instant verification that a bullet cannot pass through the barrel. Far more importantly, the honor guard always follows the four rules of gun safety.
If “recent” includes at least the early 1980s I guess perhaps the BFA is a “recent innovation”
“At the risk of pissing off all of the TactiCoolFools, I will point out that there is zero reason for actors to be utilizing fully functional firearms that can actually fire “live” ammunition.”
Alec Baldwin was listed as the producer of this movie. So the head TactiCoolFool would be Alec Baldwin himself. He approved the use of actual firearms on the movie production sets.
Real firearms, both firing blanks and actual live rounds, have been used in movies since 1903 in The Great Train Robbery. In that picture a Colt 1878 was fired at the camera in the last shot of the movie.
In The Wild Bunch, Star Model B’s were used in many shots because the 9mm firearm worked better with blanks than the .45 ACP Colt 1911’s.
Here you can check out the 1000’s of different firearms, over 1900 firearms with many having multiple models, that have been used in movies. http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Main_Page
It has been reported that in the movie industry, blanks are called “live rounds” along with actual live rounds.
Regardless of the safety protocols on the set, it still comes down to the person holding the gun. It’s that person’s responsibility to know, on the basis of his own personal competence, whether it is loaded and, even if it’s not, to follow the other rules for safe handling. It’s appalling that movie professionals will thoughtlessly trust someone else’s unverified assertion about the status of a firearm.
If they are really period revolvers, you wouldn’t see the ball, you would see the grease around the ball. Revolvers that shot cartridges were specialty items, most people cast their own bullets and used cap and ball. Most firearms of the time were not made of good enough steel to contain the pressures and having to purchase “store bought” ammo was like a cowboy purchasing rolled cigarettes – it didn’t happen.
Any wild west movie that wants realism wouldn’t use modern revolvers.
Regarding gun handling on movie sets: see John Wick’s firearms training
“How Keanu Reeves Learned To Shoot Guns For ‘John Wick’ ”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jLTSzf-5p4
“Keanu Reeves Training with Taran for John Wick: Chapter 3”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xii9_oWQ7HY
Alec Baldwin ‘Rust’ Movie Fatal Shooting May Have Been Recorded, Cops Say; Search Warrant Issued For Santa Fe Location, Cameras, Phones & More
Dominic Patten
Fri, October 22, 2021, 5:40 PM·4 min read
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The Santa Fe Sheriff’s Office is searching to find out whether footage exists of the fatal shooting Thursday on the New Mexico set of the Alec Baldwin film Rust.
In an affidavit for a search warrant, Detective Joel Cano on Friday asked the state courts to allow him “to confirm if the incident that took place was or wasn’t recorded.”
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The indoor rehearsal scene October 21 at the Bonanza Creek Ranch saw Baldwin handed a prop gun that “discharged” and killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins. Director Joel Souza was also injured in the incident inside the “grey/brown” structure on the Ranch location, as the search warrant issued by Santa Fe County Magistrate John Rysanek calls it.
“The warrant was executed this afternoon and they are out there right now,” Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office spokesman Juan Rios confirmed to Deadline this evening of investigators.
The detailed affidavit claims Baldwin was handed one of a trio of prop guns on a nearby cart by an assistant director and told the prop was a “cold gun” that did not have any live rounds in it. Baldwin fired the prop gun, hitting Hutchins at close range and then Souza with the blast. Indicating that all three prop guns were prepped by the on-set armorer, the AD “did not know live rounds were in the prop gun,” says the document from Cano.
The admission of “live rounds” in Det. Cano’s affidavit is a shift from earlier today for the police. This morning the Sheriff’s Office declared “that hasn’t been determined by us as of yet” after West Coast IATSE Local 44 told its members that “a live single round was accidentally fired on set.” Know it looks like it has been determined, or is at least the operating theory.
After the shooting on the already previously troubled Rust set on Thursday frantic 911 call was made by crew members and first responders arrived on the scene quickly.
The affidavit also says that the armorer took out the “spent casing” from the prop gun before handing it over to sheriff’s deputies on Thursday evening.
Deputies took possession not just of the prop gun that killed Hutchins, but the cart the guns were on, a belt and other “prop ammunition” when they showed up Thursday. Baldwin, the armorer and others were interviewed and released by the Sheriff’s department last night.
The armorer and several other crew members on the 1880s-set film are named in today’s affidavit.
To further their probe, the Santa Fe Sheriff’s Office want all possible footage, production computer equipment, memory and other digital cards, all weapons (real and prop), all weapon ownership documents, cell phones and smartphones of crew and cast that may have captured footage and photos of the location.
They are also seeking the “Old Western Style” costume Baldwin was wearing at the time of the shooting. Specifically, the police are looking at Baldwin’s clothes and the outfits others in the room had on for blood remains and other evidence because of the individuals’ “close proximity” to the shooting.
“This case is still in its preliminary states of investigation,” First Judicial District Attorney Mary Carmack-Altwies said to Deadline earlier today on the possibility of criminal and other charges being filed.
“We are assisting the Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office and have offered our full support to them,” she added. “At this time, we do not know if charges will be filed. We will look into all facts and evidence of the case with great discretion and have further information at a later time. Our thoughts are with all affected by this tragedy.”
Before any criminal homicide charges or otherwise are filed, if they are, law enforcement sources tell us that among other things there has to be a determination whether a prop gun is considered a deadly weapon. Carmack-Altwies’ office told Deadline it believes it could be, but still want to see what the sheriffs discover before any final judgment is made.
Earlier on Friday, sheriff spokesman Rios said that the department expects “to have more information next week as our investigation continues.”
They have to determine whether a real gun with live ammunition ceases to be a really weapon if you hand it to an actor and point a camera at him? I humbly submit that Alec Baldwin definitively answered that question.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/K8GeTpJwqbh7yrNTA
So I guess we’ll never get to see the movie now.
Right after paying to see crap by Daniel Craig would be paying to see something with Alex Baldwin. (never)
Perhaps this was actually a murder inspired by fiction:
https://www.moviestvnetwork.com/movies/923
Was Alec Baldwin a “good guy with a gun” or a “bad guy with a gun”?
He was an anti-2nd A douchebag with a gun.
I guess that makes him the worst kind of bad guy with a gun. 🤔
What kind of idiot take someone’s word their prop gun is actually a prop? Fucking inspect it and walk your ass to a discharge barrel then test it. Idiots. Wanna bet he’ll sue someone and get off?
You know, I discharged my gun in a barrel once, seemed like a barrel anyway, a 50 gallon barrel.
Echoes.
Help help help I’ve fallen fallen fallen and and and I I I cant cant cant get out out out.
The only interesting thing to me about any of this is that it happened just a few miles from my parent’s house.
SFCSD will have this entirely sorted out about five minutes after never. They’re not entirely corrupt like they were 15 years ago when the sheriff got busted selling government gear on Ebay but they sure as shit are not competent or professional.
I mean shit, SFCSD partnered with SFPD to figure out where all the junkies they kicked off The Plaza/Santa Fe River Park went. It took them more than a month to figure out that all the junkies moved about 200 yards to the East and were spending all day shooting up behind a wall that runs along the edge of Cathedral Park, something anyone who worked in the area figured out the day after they cleared out the Plaza and River Park.
Well, now I guess if they OD they’re closer to God since, technically, they’re on church grounds.
YI’know, a lot of this sounds like Catholics monks bickering over the number of angels who can dance on the head of a pin.
Everybody KNOWS that it’s 42, but that’s beside the point.
This ‘prop’ gun vs. ‘real’ gun’ nonsense is just that: nonsense.
In ‘moviespeak,’ a ‘prop’ is any thing, ANYTHING, that is used on a movie set. A chair, a pack of Wrigley’s, a Panzer VI tank, the USS Missouri–all of those things are ‘props,’ whether they function or not. A ‘prop’ gun can be molded out of rubber, carved from wood, comprised of old water pipes and a tin can, parts of a real gun, or an ACTUAL ‘real’ gun.
Since the beginning of movies (and stage plays, for that matter), absolutely ‘real’ guns have been used as ‘props.’ They’re not all made inert, and some of them in a pinch could fire a live cartridge.
Therefore, a ‘prop’ gun could just as well be a fully-functional SAA, or an MG42 mounted on a tripod, as it could be a rubber dummy ‘gun.’
What’s worse, in ‘moviespeak,’ a ‘live’ round isn’t necessarily one loaded with a projectile; It can just as easily be what WE would call a ‘blank;’ Those are ALSO called ‘live rounds.’ The current industry ‘5-in-1’s (they work in revolvers and rifles in .38./40, .44/40, and .45LC, plus .44 Magnum, .44 Special, and .410) are made of plastic, and either have open ends with fibre ‘wads’ or are crimped shut similar to a shotgun shell. They come in mild, medium, and hot loads depending upon the amount of flash, noise, and smoke desired.
All that said, it’s VERY unlikely that what WE think of as a ‘live round,’ IE a ball cartridge, was in said revolver. What IS likely is that ol’ Alec scrimped on the Union experts, the AD picked up the wrong gun or an improperly-cleared gun, and gave it to him, he was entirely too trusting and complacent to check it first, both his AND her luck ran out, a ‘blank’ propelled something left over in a pistol barrel at a lethal velocity, and that’s that. All of the rest is rather meaningless.
Nobody goes to jail, millions of dollars are paid out by insurance companies, and nobody ever sees ‘Rust’ in a Theatre Near You!
42.
The round went through TWO people. It wasn’t a blank or a wad—it was a live round some idiot left in the revolver.
Reports are they were using the SAA Colts for target practice during off time.
The latest report leaking out from the set is people were using the revolvers FOR TARGET PRACTICE between shots. Since they’re real revolvers, that’s possible.
The 24 year old “armorer” was in over her head, very likely far too casual and starstruck to run a tight ship.
Three people are at fault—-the armorer, who should have maintained strict control over the guns. The assistant director, who grabbed a revolver off a cart and declared it safe without checking. And Alec Baldwin, who not only DIDN’T check it, but also pointed it directly at people and fired.
Nobody’s going to jail—-except maybe the armorer—but Alec’s production company is going to pay a lot of money.
If you hand me a firearm and the intent is for me to aim it at another human being and pull the trigger there is no fucking way I’m not checking the weapon for myself. It really is no surprise a stupid anti gun mother fucker like that asshole Baldwin wouldn’t know how to handle a firearm.
Exactly.
Well… the armorer is Thell Reed’s daughter. So if he taught her what she knows, I’d bet everything I’ve got that she knows exactly what she’s doing and can outshoot damn near anybody.
In the online news articles I saw, she nearly didn’t take the job because she thought she wasn’t ready for it.
Now we know why there’s an ammo shortage…
All the live ammo is on Hollywood movie sets in prop guns, because the producers are too ignorant to know the difference between live ammo and blanks!
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