American Tactical’s new Nomad uber-affordable single-shot shotguns come in .410, 20- and 12-gauge, are Turkish-made and fold in half for ultimate portability. Each chambering comes in two barrel lengths and no matter which one you choose, all you’ll pay is $109.95.
Here’s their press release . . .
American Tactical Introduces Nomad Shotgun Series
(Summerville, SC ) – American Tactical, US manufacturer and world-wide importer of firearms, ammunition and tactical equipment, is happy to introduce the new Nomad Shotgun Series.
American Tactical is proud to offer customers a variety of unique, high quality products at great prices. The Nomad Shotgun Series is a perfect addition to that lineup. The Nomads are folding, single-shot Turkish-manufactured shotguns with a 3″ chamber, black checkered synthetic furniture and swivel attachments.
courtesy mfr
With an MSRP of just $109.95, these shotguns offer shooters a fun and unique addition to your collection at an impressive price point. They are available in .410, 12- and 20-gauge models with a variety of barrel lengths. American Tactical is offering the Nomad Shotguns in the following six models:
– ATIG12NMD18 – 12 gauge with 18.5″ barrel length – ATIG12NMD28 – 12 gauge with 28” barrel length – ATIG20NMD18 – 20 gauge with 18.5” barrel length – ATIG20NMD26 – 20 gauge with 26” barrel length – ATIG410NMD18 – 410 gauge with 18.5” barrel length – ATIG410NMD26 – 410 gauge with 26” barrel length
Contact your local firearms dealer today to purchase!
What part of firing a 3″ 12 gauge shell out of a gun that light is “fun”? The bruising?
Nope, the bruising isn’t the fun part, it’s the blurred vision and loose teeth from having a firm cheek weld on the first shot.
You lost me at giving money to the Turks.
Be cooler if that pin came out and it could be two pieces, lot easier to store than an A frame. Would make a good youth gun.
Looks Just like a Hatfield. Another Single-shot shotgun made in Turkey that has been selling at Walmart for over a year at 99 bucks. A couple of not too difficult mods and it will fold even flatter. Look up hatfield mods on YouTube. I reworked mine in a few hours. It has a 16 1/2” barrel, it folds all the way double, and the butt plate swings out for shell storage inside the stock. The only thing extra I had to buy was a dayglow bead sight. I already had sling swivels. I can carry it in a cheap backpack or folded in the seat back pocket on my truck.
Minimum barrel length for shotguns is 18 inches, 16 inches is for rifles to stay out of the NFA rules.
I assume either it was a typo/misremember of 18.5″, the proper taxes were paid, or the Ebvan is in a jurisdiction not subject to NFA.
We hope that is the case…
Yup. I did the same thing with a Hatfield (with a little extra margin on the barrel length). If you add a few rifled barrel inserts then you’ve got a versatile packable survival gun that shoots both shotgun and pistol ammo.
Never seen an ATI at Walmart. I think they are better than Hatfield.
I bought one of these about a month ago from Grabagun for $89.00. They are down the road from my office so no transfer or shipping but I did pay tax. The trigger is very heavy. Very very heavy. Don’t know if it will get better with use but maybe. Anyway for the price I’m quite happy with it.
Are these any good?
Single pipes should be in every gun safe. They are the ultimate in simplicity and great fun. I have at least 3 and I manage to get a couple of hunts in every year with them.
Welp. At least it’s cheaper than a Hi Point. I’ve had to condition myself to not look down my nose at the choices offered to folks who can’t afford better. It can be fairly argued that folks who are in the tough position of deciding to feed their family that month or protect them are often the ones statistically likely to need a gun more frequently. 🤠
When I was rolling around with my PF9 trying to scrap enough money together to pay rent working 3 shitty jobs I ran into many more bad situations then now.
In some states (and maybe soon all over the nation), this is an assault weapon because of the pistol grip stock. Wonder if there is an income opportunity here, for someone to make and sell replacement straight stocks?
I don’t think that counts as a pistol grip stock. Same basic design that’s been on Marlins and others for decades.
“I don’t think that counts as a pistol grip stock. Same basic design that’s been on Marlins and others for decades.”
Several of the proposed laws include a pistol grip as a feature defining an assault weapon. Such a provision would make all handguns assault weapons, and I suspect the term would be stretched to declare pistol grip stocks to be a pistol grip because of the ease of sawing off the stock aft of the pistol grip.
Yes, Sam, every state that tries to restrict so-called “assault weapons” includes “pistol grip” in their features that make a rifle an “assault weapon” — but these stocks do NOT have a pistol grip within the definition o ANY of those states. Not even the crazies in Kalifornia consider that a “pistol grip”
“…”but these stocks do NOT have a pistol grip within the definition o ANY of those states.”
How do you conclude this? So far, I have not seen “pistol grip” defined, merely stated. Just because the crazies haven’t attacked from this direction doesn’t mean they don’t intend to. First, they will deal with all the pistol and revolvers as being assault weapons, then, just for fun, start including pistol grip stock rifles.
I went to school with the anti-gun crazies (before they were anti-gun crazies). There is nothing they will not do to extend power over deplorables.
I’m no lawyer, but if your thumb is supposed to go above the shoulder stock, it’s no pistol grip. Below shoulder stock = pistol grip.
Sam, I’m staring at those pictures as hard as I can (clicked the link too) and I don’t see anything that could be called a pistol grip… 🤠
“Sam, I’m staring at those pictures as hard as I can (clicked the link too) and I don’t see anything that could be called a pistol grip…”
The curved section of the stock, immediately behind the receiver creates a pistol grip stock, vs. a straight stock (like the legendary Winchesters/Henry’s). if you look at those legal (military and police) shotguns that have no “butt”, you see a pistol grip long gun. Cut off the shoulder section of the stock on the pictured shotgun, and you are left with the curved section immediately aft of the receiver, This forms a pistol grip.
Unless your thumb can wrap around the grip to the other side, it is not a pistol grip in the states that have such regulations. “Tactical” shotguns have pistol grips, and they fall within the scope of the “AW” laws depending on capacity and on being semi-automatic. Single shots will never fall within the AW bans until all guns do.
Pistol grips on stock vs. pistol grips attached to receiver ? The old MAK 90’s had a thumb hole stock to get by the assault weapons ban in 94 . Then the after market ones were just basically a piece of plastic attached to a pistol grip.
“Unless your thumb can wrap around the grip to the other side, it is not a pistol grip”
That is not a distinction I have seen in any of the laws. However, I fully expect the AWB folks to include any firearm that can be fired single handed by holding onto the stock alone. Never underestimate.
“Single shots will never fall within the AW bans until all guns do.”
Single shot shotguns with pistol grip stocks will be assault weapons whenever the lawmakers desire. But to your point, all pistols/revolvers qualify as assault weapons because of pistol grips, single or multi shot. The laws usually have wording such as, “…having one or more of the following characteristics…” One or more.
Then you haven’t been looking hard enough at the laws and regulations re pistol grip stocks. A pistol grip stock is one which allows the user to wrap his or her thumb around the grip, but below the stock. The A17 as shown in the article allows no such thing. It is using a stock design that most would call traditional.
The item pictured has a pistol grip stock. Never, ever think anti-gunners are finished. The will move to goal posts. It is no leap at all from handgun pistol grip, to long grip pistol grip. Think about it. The anti-gunners are wetting their pants over plastic guns. How much thinking will be required to declare that long guns with pistol grip stocks can be altered in the basement to a condition where the stock aft of the pistol grip can be quickly sawed off, leaving the long gun in a “tactical” configuration that is designed solely to kill more people more quickly.
It is time to end the fantasy that laws are enforced as written, or as we wish them to be enforced. Remember who you are up against, and the court system that enables them.
not a pistol grip. but regardless of that definition, whatever it may be, this here isn’t scary looking. maybe if you slap a hundred round drum mag on it. and gosh, it’s concealable.
no, shockwaves will be singled out first.
No way. Not giving money to Turkey.
Look I understand some people can’t afford better than the cheapest thing there is. I’m not unsympathetic on the point.
But I’m not one of them, at least not that bad. So I’ll stick to American made guns. Even when no American gun maker has the sense to offer what I want.
Anybody who can find a (far better) quality single shot for around $125 or less, ain’t looking. At all.
H&R, Savage, and a few more were on my local Armslist, anything even vaguely resembling a gun show will have more at similar pricepoints.
I’m sure there’s circumstances where you need new right now, but agreed, giving the money to Turkey is a bad idea.
“can’t”.
Ugh….
Got bad news for ya,…. If ya pay the IRS every year,… your sending money to turkey and 1000 other crap countries anyhow. Might as well get a gun outta the deal. Lmao.
Exactly what is it about Turkey that gets you panties all wadded up in a knot?
If we boycotted every nation that had ever done anything we don’t like (or didn’t like at the time) we wouldn’t have anywhere to buy anything (including not buying any US made products).
At the same time, as gun owners, if we boycotted every company that had ever made a less than perfect gun, or ran a questionable ad, or failed to sufficiently oppose every law we consider anti-gun, along with every company in any anti-gun state or any company that sells their products to anti-gun states, do you really think there would be ANY products left to buy?
“Those {pick your favorite expletive here} will never get another cent of my money” is even sillier than all the “cold, dead hands” rhetoric that usually comes from the same people.
Dislike of the Turks comes from a lot of different sectors. Your point rings true if not a little hollow. Capitalism is voting with your dollars and in the same vein that I do not support certain companies due to their Enviromental/humanitarian policies I choose not to support certain countries (through taxes).
I’ve had two of these for about a week now and for the price they are quite fine. As you might imagine there are corners cut for the price but none so far seem functional. A little repetitive opening, closing, etc followed by some lube on the friction points and all works pretty well. The trigger breaks at roughly 57.5 pounds but hey it goes bang. I welded a #2 Phillips bit to the front sling swivel so I can unscrew the buttstock. I can fit 12 2 3/4 shells plus a 1oz bottle of oil, a small rag, and a bit of steel wool in there. I would install a choke if the tools to do so we’re not so expensive. Also if you remove the pivot screw it can come all the way apart obviously. This screw can be replaced with one that can be turned without tools if taking it all the way down is a concern. So far so it’s been fun as a first foray into scatter guns.
57.5 pounds? Is there a misplaced decimal point in there somewhere?
I believe he was making funny.
Sarcasm, it’s a thing.
It is very heavy. If it had a safety you would be checking to see if it was on.
yes. it should move to the right one digit.
Single shot? Meh. Copy the Burgess action and we’ll talk.
The Midland backpacker is about the same price, and has screw in chokes. I’ve not heatd a lot of complaints about them having an overly hravy trigger pull, either.
In traditional gun industry long gun terminology, this is a pistol grip.
The alternative is a straight or English grip. The “pistol” referred to was a cap lock or flintlock pistol grip which was gently curved, not perpendicular to the bore as on modern handguns.
Marlin and Winchester often mentioned this is as copy as they sold two versions of many of their rifles.
in traditional gun industry terminaligy this is a SEMI PISTOL GRIP. not a full pistol grip which hangs down lower than the gun and is protruding out by it self. there is nothing connected to it from behind it. it may be part of the stock or it may be indipendant of the stock ( think AR-15). but, however, give them time, and they will start trying to ban these too. just like the fudds guns when they tried to call them “scoped sighted sniper rifles” so stay alert. they won’t be happy until we have nothing, then they will want to chop off our hands so we can’t pick up stones. we need to be united and we need to stop voting for anti gun political commies like the so called demokrats. and we need to get more pro gun republicans to replace the anti gun ones we have .and we need to stay on top of our game.
Glenn. No such thing. The pistol grip as we know it now did not exist except on a few military arms.
I was referring to how the terms were originally defined by the industry and not by politicians or operators.
The terms were defined before out lifetime when there were no ARs or MSRs.
It also highlights the problem with “modern definitions”
With actions made in-house, how about a witness protection pistol grip (Raptor) and a 14.5″ barrel, or whatever length makes the OAL 28″? Low teck tactical, one step up from 2 pipes and a nail slam fire. Those worked very well in WW II. -30-
for some reason good old apple will not send a picture of a shotgun through safari.
I’d rather have a Midland Arms Backpacker. Striker fired, not hammer fired, likely better trigger, and rifle barrels are coming.
Doubt rifle barrels will be available for these AT’s ever.
Do you have any idea when the rifle barrels will become available? I check their website every once in a while but so far no dice.
SUPPORT OUR COUNTRY!!! BUY AMERICAN MADE GOODS/PRODUCTS!!! MAGA!
“SUPPORT OUR COUNTRY!!! BUY AMERICAN MADE GOODS/PRODUCTS!!! MAGA!”
You do realize that the MAGA hats are made in China?
I believe the made in China hats were the knockoff ones being sold on Amazon and EBay. If you bought an authentic one on The Donald’s website it was “made” in America.
I get a kick out of the “I only buy made in the U.S.A” crowd though. I work for a major manufacturer and we sell an expensive item. When it goes out the door it has a “Made in the U.S.A” plate on the side of it. The fact is that 60% of the machining and the final assembly is done in the U.S. Most if not all of the castings, forgings, small parts, etc are coming from all over the world. It’s called globalization and it is a reality. Brand loyalty is a joke in this day and age. For example, chances are the major components of your favorite truck come from the same place as the major components of the brand of truck you dislike most. Ford vs. Chevy? They are both basically made from the same hodgepodge of foreign sources components.
OK, I own 5 shotguns and none are single shot. I did own one I keep on my boat, to defend against sharks attacking my boat. When creating a shark frenzy of 15 to 20 sharks, the percussion would drive them away from my boat. One can go on line and make a usable single shot shotgun out of black pipe under $25.00. Take the remaining $75+ and start a savings account for a pump shotgun
At the recent gun auctions I have attended, good quality name brand (Winchester, Savage, HR, Stevens) single shot shotguns are available used in good condition for $50-100.
OK. Most people will not want to hear this, but here it goes: I purchased a ATI Nomad 410 shotgun from Dunham’s. $80. A good deal right? No. I guess you get what you pay for! This Nomad is the worst firearm I have ever purchased! Bar none, and I am in my 70’s. First of all, the trigger guard would not pull back to release the barrel! Seems the head of the rear trigger guard screw was too large and hit the guard when trying to pull it back. Contacted the Company. No reply. Next, after test firing ATI did not run a swab through the barrel and the chamber was rusted! The hammer pull is way to tight and difficult to cock! The stock and forearm are super thin plastic! And on and on. Yes, it is a light folding shotgun. And yes I like a 410. My advice is to purchase a good name brand of firearm such as Henry. More money? Often a lot more! But hey, it sure beats having a piece of junk floating around in your closet! Worst part of all? Dunham’s does not allow firearm returns and keeps a trigger guard on during purchase!
A shotgun for $110? Take my money.
With a trigger that breaks like a chopstick.
What part of firing a 3″ 12 gauge shell out of a gun that light is “fun”? The bruising?
Nope, the bruising isn’t the fun part, it’s the blurred vision and loose teeth from having a firm cheek weld on the first shot.
You lost me at giving money to the Turks.
Be cooler if that pin came out and it could be two pieces, lot easier to store than an A frame.
Would make a good youth gun.
Looks Just like a Hatfield. Another Single-shot shotgun made in Turkey that has been selling at Walmart for over a year at 99 bucks. A couple of not too difficult mods and it will fold even flatter. Look up hatfield mods on YouTube. I reworked mine in a few hours. It has a 16 1/2” barrel, it folds all the way double, and the butt plate swings out for shell storage inside the stock. The only thing extra I had to buy was a dayglow bead sight. I already had sling swivels. I can carry it in a cheap backpack or folded in the seat back pocket on my truck.
Minimum barrel length for shotguns is 18 inches, 16 inches is for rifles to stay out of the NFA rules.
I assume either it was a typo/misremember of 18.5″, the proper taxes were paid, or the Ebvan is in a jurisdiction not subject to NFA.
We hope that is the case…
Yup. I did the same thing with a Hatfield (with a little extra margin on the barrel length). If you add a few rifled barrel inserts then you’ve got a versatile packable survival gun that shoots both shotgun and pistol ammo.
Never seen an ATI at Walmart. I think they are better than Hatfield.
I bought one of these about a month ago from Grabagun for $89.00. They are down the road from my office so no transfer or shipping but I did pay tax. The trigger is very heavy. Very very heavy. Don’t know if it will get better with use but maybe. Anyway for the price I’m quite happy with it.
Are these any good?
Single pipes should be in every gun safe. They are the ultimate in simplicity and great fun. I have at least 3 and I manage to get a couple of hunts in every year with them.
Welp. At least it’s cheaper than a Hi Point.
I’ve had to condition myself to not look down my nose at the choices offered to folks who can’t afford better. It can be fairly argued that folks who are in the tough position of deciding to feed their family that month or protect them are often the ones statistically likely to need a gun more frequently.
🤠
When I was rolling around with my PF9 trying to scrap enough money together to pay rent working 3 shitty jobs I ran into many more bad situations then now.
In some states (and maybe soon all over the nation), this is an assault weapon because of the pistol grip stock. Wonder if there is an income opportunity here, for someone to make and sell replacement straight stocks?
I don’t think that counts as a pistol grip stock. Same basic design that’s been on Marlins and others for decades.
“I don’t think that counts as a pistol grip stock. Same basic design that’s been on Marlins and others for decades.”
Several of the proposed laws include a pistol grip as a feature defining an assault weapon. Such a provision would make all handguns assault weapons, and I suspect the term would be stretched to declare pistol grip stocks to be a pistol grip because of the ease of sawing off the stock aft of the pistol grip.
Yes, Sam, every state that tries to restrict so-called “assault weapons” includes “pistol grip” in their features that make a rifle an “assault weapon” — but these stocks do NOT have a pistol grip within the definition o ANY of those states. Not even the crazies in Kalifornia consider that a “pistol grip”
“…”but these stocks do NOT have a pistol grip within the definition o ANY of those states.”
How do you conclude this? So far, I have not seen “pistol grip” defined, merely stated. Just because the crazies haven’t attacked from this direction doesn’t mean they don’t intend to. First, they will deal with all the pistol and revolvers as being assault weapons, then, just for fun, start including pistol grip stock rifles.
I went to school with the anti-gun crazies (before they were anti-gun crazies). There is nothing they will not do to extend power over deplorables.
I’m no lawyer, but if your thumb is supposed to go above the shoulder stock, it’s no pistol grip. Below shoulder stock = pistol grip.
Sam, I’m staring at those pictures as hard as I can (clicked the link too) and I don’t see anything that could be called a pistol grip…
🤠
“Sam, I’m staring at those pictures as hard as I can (clicked the link too) and I don’t see anything that could be called a pistol grip…”
The curved section of the stock, immediately behind the receiver creates a pistol grip stock, vs. a straight stock (like the legendary Winchesters/Henry’s). if you look at those legal (military and police) shotguns that have no “butt”, you see a pistol grip long gun. Cut off the shoulder section of the stock on the pictured shotgun, and you are left with the curved section immediately aft of the receiver, This forms a pistol grip.
https://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/defensive-shotgun-stock-comparison/
https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/hogue-tamer-remington-870-shotgun-grip-black-743108087145.do?sortby=ourPicks&refType=&from=fn
Unless your thumb can wrap around the grip to the other side, it is not a pistol grip in the states that have such regulations. “Tactical” shotguns have pistol grips, and they fall within the scope of the “AW” laws depending on capacity and on being semi-automatic. Single shots will never fall within the AW bans until all guns do.
Pistol grips on stock vs. pistol grips attached to receiver ? The old MAK 90’s had a thumb hole stock to get by the assault weapons ban in 94 . Then the after market ones were just basically a piece of plastic attached to a pistol grip.
“Unless your thumb can wrap around the grip to the other side, it is not a pistol grip”
That is not a distinction I have seen in any of the laws. However, I fully expect the AWB folks to include any firearm that can be fired single handed by holding onto the stock alone. Never underestimate.
“Single shots will never fall within the AW bans until all guns do.”
Single shot shotguns with pistol grip stocks will be assault weapons whenever the lawmakers desire. But to your point, all pistols/revolvers qualify as assault weapons because of pistol grips, single or multi shot. The laws usually have wording such as, “…having one or more of the following characteristics…” One or more.
Then you haven’t been looking hard enough at the laws and regulations re pistol grip stocks. A pistol grip stock is one which allows the user to wrap his or her thumb around the grip, but below the stock. The A17 as shown in the article allows no such thing. It is using a stock design that most would call traditional.
The item pictured has a pistol grip stock. Never, ever think anti-gunners are finished. The will move to goal posts. It is no leap at all from handgun pistol grip, to long grip pistol grip. Think about it. The anti-gunners are wetting their pants over plastic guns. How much thinking will be required to declare that long guns with pistol grip stocks can be altered in the basement to a condition where the stock aft of the pistol grip can be quickly sawed off, leaving the long gun in a “tactical” configuration that is designed solely to kill more people more quickly.
It is time to end the fantasy that laws are enforced as written, or as we wish them to be enforced. Remember who you are up against, and the court system that enables them.
not a pistol grip. but regardless of that definition, whatever it may be, this here isn’t scary looking. maybe if you slap a hundred round drum mag on it. and gosh, it’s concealable.
no, shockwaves will be singled out first.
No way. Not giving money to Turkey.
Look I understand some people can’t afford better than the cheapest thing there is. I’m not unsympathetic on the point.
But I’m not one of them, at least not that bad. So I’ll stick to American made guns. Even when no American gun maker has the sense to offer what I want.
Anybody who can find a (far better) quality single shot for around $125 or less, ain’t looking. At all.
H&R, Savage, and a few more were on my local Armslist, anything even vaguely resembling a gun show will have more at similar pricepoints.
I’m sure there’s circumstances where you need new right now, but agreed, giving the money to Turkey is a bad idea.
“can’t”.
Ugh….
Got bad news for ya,…. If ya pay the IRS every year,… your sending money to turkey and 1000 other crap countries anyhow. Might as well get a gun outta the deal. Lmao.
Exactly what is it about Turkey that gets you panties all wadded up in a knot?
If we boycotted every nation that had ever done anything we don’t like (or didn’t like at the time) we wouldn’t have anywhere to buy anything (including not buying any US made products).
At the same time, as gun owners, if we boycotted every company that had ever made a less than perfect gun, or ran a questionable ad, or failed to sufficiently oppose every law we consider anti-gun, along with every company in any anti-gun state or any company that sells their products to anti-gun states, do you really think there would be ANY products left to buy?
“Those {pick your favorite expletive here} will never get another cent of my money” is even sillier than all the “cold, dead hands” rhetoric that usually comes from the same people.
Dislike of the Turks comes from a lot of different sectors. Your point rings true if not a little hollow. Capitalism is voting with your dollars and in the same vein that I do not support certain companies due to their Enviromental/humanitarian policies I choose not to support certain countries (through taxes).
I’ve had two of these for about a week now and for the price they are quite fine. As you might imagine there are corners cut for the price but none so far seem functional. A little repetitive opening, closing, etc followed by some lube on the friction points and all works pretty well. The trigger breaks at roughly 57.5 pounds but hey it goes bang. I welded a #2 Phillips bit to the front sling swivel so I can unscrew the buttstock. I can fit 12 2 3/4 shells plus a 1oz bottle of oil, a small rag, and a bit of steel wool in there. I would install a choke if the tools to do so we’re not so expensive. Also if you remove the pivot screw it can come all the way apart obviously. This screw can be replaced with one that can be turned without tools if taking it all the way down is a concern. So far so it’s been fun as a first foray into scatter guns.
57.5 pounds? Is there a misplaced decimal point in there somewhere?
I believe he was making funny.
Sarcasm, it’s a thing.
It is very heavy. If it had a safety you would be checking to see if it was on.
yes. it should move to the right one digit.
Single shot? Meh. Copy the Burgess action and we’ll talk.
The Midland backpacker is about the same price, and has screw in chokes.
I’ve not heatd a lot of complaints about them having an overly hravy trigger pull, either.
In traditional gun industry long gun terminology, this is a pistol grip.
The alternative is a straight or English grip. The “pistol” referred to was a cap lock or flintlock pistol grip which was gently curved, not perpendicular to the bore as on modern handguns.
Marlin and Winchester often mentioned this is as copy as they sold two versions of many of their rifles.
in traditional gun industry terminaligy this is a SEMI PISTOL GRIP. not a full pistol grip which hangs down lower than the gun and is protruding out by it self. there is nothing connected to it from behind it. it may be part of the stock or it may be indipendant of the stock ( think AR-15). but, however, give them time, and they will start trying to ban these too. just like the fudds guns when they tried to call them “scoped sighted sniper rifles” so stay alert. they won’t be happy until we have nothing, then they will want to chop off our hands so we can’t pick up stones. we need to be united and we need to stop voting for anti gun political commies like the so called demokrats. and we need to get more pro gun republicans to replace the anti gun ones we have .and we need to stay on top of our game.
Glenn. No such thing. The pistol grip as we know it now did not exist except on a few military arms.
I was referring to how the terms were originally defined by the industry and not by politicians or operators.
Still used today
https://www.marlinfirearms.com/lever-action/model-1895-big-bore/444-marlin
The terms were defined before out lifetime when there were no ARs or MSRs.
It also highlights the problem with “modern definitions”
With actions made in-house, how about a witness protection pistol grip (Raptor) and a 14.5″ barrel, or whatever length makes the OAL 28″? Low teck tactical, one step up from 2 pipes and a nail slam fire. Those worked very well in WW II. -30-
for some reason good old apple will not send a picture of a shotgun through safari.
I’d rather have a Midland Arms Backpacker. Striker fired, not hammer fired, likely better trigger, and rifle barrels are coming.
Doubt rifle barrels will be available for these AT’s ever.
Do you have any idea when the rifle barrels will become available? I check their website every once in a while but so far no dice.
SUPPORT OUR COUNTRY!!! BUY AMERICAN MADE GOODS/PRODUCTS!!! MAGA!
“SUPPORT OUR COUNTRY!!! BUY AMERICAN MADE GOODS/PRODUCTS!!! MAGA!”
You do realize that the MAGA hats are made in China?
I believe the made in China hats were the knockoff ones being sold on Amazon and EBay. If you bought an authentic one on The Donald’s website it was “made” in America.
I get a kick out of the “I only buy made in the U.S.A” crowd though. I work for a major manufacturer and we sell an expensive item. When it goes out the door it has a “Made in the U.S.A” plate on the side of it. The fact is that 60% of the machining and the final assembly is done in the U.S. Most if not all of the castings, forgings, small parts, etc are coming from all over the world. It’s called globalization and it is a reality. Brand loyalty is a joke in this day and age. For example, chances are the major components of your favorite truck come from the same place as the major components of the brand of truck you dislike most. Ford vs. Chevy? They are both basically made from the same hodgepodge of foreign sources components.
OK, I own 5 shotguns and none are single shot. I did own one I keep on my boat, to defend against sharks attacking my boat. When creating a shark frenzy of 15 to 20 sharks, the percussion would drive them away from my boat.
One can go on line and make a usable single shot shotgun out of black pipe under $25.00. Take the remaining $75+ and start a savings account for a pump shotgun
At the recent gun auctions I have attended, good quality name brand (Winchester, Savage, HR, Stevens) single shot shotguns are available used in good condition for $50-100.
OK. Most people will not want to hear this, but here it goes: I purchased a ATI Nomad 410 shotgun from Dunham’s. $80. A good deal right? No. I guess you get what you pay for! This Nomad is the worst firearm I have ever purchased! Bar none, and I am in my 70’s. First of all, the trigger guard would not pull back to release the barrel! Seems the head of the rear trigger guard screw was too large and hit the guard when trying to pull it back. Contacted the Company. No reply. Next, after test firing ATI did not run a swab through the barrel and the chamber was rusted! The hammer pull is way to tight and difficult to cock! The stock and forearm are super thin plastic! And on and on. Yes, it is a light folding shotgun. And yes I like a 410. My advice is to purchase a good name brand of firearm such as Henry. More money? Often a lot more! But hey, it sure beats having a piece of junk floating around in your closet! Worst part of all? Dunham’s does not allow firearm returns and keeps a trigger guard on during purchase!
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