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So, when Democrats and Republicans alike all called for a softening to the hate and vitriol used in the run up to the current election following the assassination attempt on Donald Trump, we wondered how long it might be before it was again politics as usual. Looks like for Joe Biden, who just days before the assassination attempt, urged his fellow Dems that “it’s time to put Trump in a bullseye,” it took less than three days.

Biden backtracked from his statements about Trump prior to the shooting in an NBC News interview, saying it wasn’t what he meant and admitting it was a poor choice of words, and while he hasn’t gone after the Donald directly just yet, he has turned his message back toward another favorite scapegoat to his policies…AR-style rifles.

The Guardian reported the following on Tuesday:

Biden says ‘time to outlaw’ AR-15 rifle used in Trump assassination attempt

Joe Biden is commenting at length about the toll gun violence takes on American communities, and singled out the impact of assault weapons such as the AR-15.

“An AR-15 was used in the shooting of Donald Trump. This was the assault weapon that killed so many others, including children. It’s time to outlaw them,” Biden said.

In what was likely a reference to his involvement in passing the 1994 assault weapons ban, which expired 10 years later, Biden said: “I did it once, and I will do it again.”

Never mind that the attempt on a politician from any lofty perch at a distance would arguably best be achieved with a bolt-action rifle in a heavier caliber, Biden is only too eager to go after the 5.56-caliber rifle because it looks like a “weapon of war.” Historical note for Biden and other fools as shortsighted as him, at one time, single-shot, front-loading muskets were “weapons of war.” They were weapons that actually helped free the colonies from British rule and give birth to this great nation, just as the AR is the one that helps keep our country free today.

Had the Secret Service, under his presidency, did a better job, the story on the assassination attempt would have been but a blip on the Sunday news show circuit and forgotten about by Monday. Hard to blame a gun for that.

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    • Vinny,

      The Carcano M91 rifle is a bolt-action rifle. That being the case, it doesn’t look as scary as an AR-15 rifle plus AR-15 detractors can correctly claim that AR-15 rifles are able to achieve much higher rates of fire which makes them “far more dangerous”. Furthermore, lots of people (especially “Fudds”) would likely get politically active if our federal government or a state government tried to ban bolt-action rifles.

      Due to the above, governments will not seek bolt-action rifle (a.k.a. grandpa’s deer rifle) bans in the short term. Instead, they will attempt to ban semi-automatic rifles (especially rifles which look “scary” or look like “weapons of war”) because there is less public support for them. That is why we need to be on our toes and ready to push back against any discussions or legislation to ban semi-automatic rifles.

    • No mention that Trump supported the assault weapon ban back in the 90’s? Would not put it past him to still support a new AWB along with a nes bumpstock ban.

  2. “Had the Secret Service, under his presidency, did a better job, the story on the assassination attempt would have been but a blip on the Sunday news show circuit …”

    I have been focused on the security failure at the Trump rally–thinking that it was intentional to assure a successful assassination (and thus absolutely ensure that Trump does not win the election). I totally missed the fact that a successful assassination, where the killer used an AR-15 rifle, could be a compelling enough picture to move an AR-15 rifle ban over the finish line.

    In other words, had the would-be assassin succeeded with an AR-15 rifle, Democrats would get a “two-for”–ensuring that Biden wins the election AND achieving an AR-15 rifle ban.

    The events of this past week illustrate exactly how far Democrats are willing to go to increase their power, wealth, and control.

    • Don’t forget that the shooter wore a t-shirt from Demolition Ranch, the most popular YouTube gun channel. They demonized YouTube gun channels, just as YT started to implement even stricter anti-gun rules.

      Obviously, Matt C. and the rest of the GunTubers had nothing to do with this punk shooter, but it’s one more excuse for big tech to shutdown another avenue of education and entertainment for those of us that support the 2A.

      • Dude,

        I believe that the Las Vegas attack, as horrific as it was, was less likely to lead to an AR-15 ban simply because there were no high-profile V.I.P. victims and it was not on live television during broad daylight.

        • Recall that the Vegas event directly led to the bump stock ban and invigoration of red flag discussions. If you subscribe to certain conspiracies, you might think that it could have been used to take the wind out of the sails of the very recent (shooting was in 2017) change in political control.

          The anti-2A movement isn’t about banning AR-15s. It’s about chipping away and running interference.

    • No shit. Don’t know where all the “civil war if Trump dies” talk came from. IMO, the bystander casualties were not accidental. The perp(s) wanted high body count AND no competition.

      • The “hello fellow gun owners” type posters are always fun for narrative building.

      • “Don’t know where all the “civil war if Trump dies” talk came from.”

        Seriously? Easily –

        Had Trump been killed, lots of dumbasses would have flooded social media gloating and dancing with glee.

        They would be the low-hanging fruit for enraged Trump supporters looking for some payback.

        And if one happened in view of me, my eyesight would suddenly get very poor… 🙂

        • If you get a chance read up on operation trust. Not wholly applicable but a lot to draw from on multiple fronts of the info war.

  3. joey just because hunter cannot possess an AR-15 doesn’t mean no one else can…sit down and eat your ice cream.

    TRUMP/VANCE 2024.

    • Does anyone think the Deepstate© had a hand in the Incel shooting my president & murdering/maiming other’s? Wherever my Armalite pattern gat is it ain’t going away🙄

  4. Joe Biden says (if he could speak intelligently) “look at my opponent, that bullet hit his ear and the AR15 blew his lungs clean out.”

    • The guy was trying to protect Trump from that Kevlar Vest wearing deer Biden sent to kill him, and missed the deer.

  7. If he hit his mark we’d have:
    -ban the guns
    -further restrict social media/chat rooms/forums
    -invade Iran for the act (they apparently had a plot so the MSM says)
    -back Israel
    -get the Houthis
    -amass our war machine on Russias border
    -wartime economic rebalancing to resolve the inflation and debt
    -Bidens a tough guy, non-partisan hero for getting revenge

    More war, less liberty, more financial flim-flaming. It would have been perfect for the globalist/Davos crowd. Still could be. Keep your eyes open.

      • When the freighter rammed the destroyer and killed 14 sailors, the high ranking vagina-equipped navy person said in effect – yeah, that was ungood, but great news, we are approaching gender equity…

    • Not so sure that the Biden Administration wouldn’t have suspended the constitution, suspended the election and declared Marshall law and we would be in a hot Civil War right now.

  8. Let us assume that the attempted assassin had been armed with a Senile Sock Puppet President Biden recommended shotgun. Let us analyze the possibilities with various types of ammunition. Below is a link to one of only two, on-line ballistics calculators that I am aware of that are designed to calculate the ballistics for Shotguns.

    https://www.ctmuzzleloaders.com/ctml_experiments/shot-ballistics/shotgunning.html

    Let us calculate the residual velocity at a range of 150 yards.

    Now obviously, with a residual velocity of only 290 feet per second, eve. #1 birdshot would not be much of threat. At worst, it would put little Ralphy’s eye out. The calculated pellet drop would be about ten feet. This is actually less than the probable pattern diameter of a cylinder bore barrel which would be on the order of about twelve feet. However; it is greater than the likely pattern radius. Without accurate calculations and a properly adjusted sight, the chance of actually hitting a target would be about zero.

    However; if a would be assassin escalated to #4 buckshot, the residual velocity would be on the order of 500 feet per second. The calculated projectile drop would be a bit over five feet. Given common iron sites (one can order barrels on line that can be installed on a Remington 870 in about thirty seconds with no tools), putting the centroid of the pattern on target would be easy. President Trump would likely have suffered multiple hits. Given his bulk, probably half a dozen to a dozen pellets would have impacted him. Penetration in soft tissue would fall far short of the FBI standards. However; any gelatin junky will concede that penetrating between the ribs to reach the heart would be possible. Penetration of the skull would be unlikely unless a pellet hit him in the eye.

    Now assume that a potential assassin escalates to #00 buckshot. The likely residual velocity at 150 yards would be about 657 feet per second. At this velocity, a penetration through the ribs as well as between the ribs to reach the heart is very possible. Penetration of the skull except at an oblique angle of impact would be almost certain.

    Of course given properly adjusted sights and maybe a rifled slug barrel in the hands of a competent marksman, a head shot would be very likely. A fatal shot to the chest would be very likely. (Assuming that President Trump doesn’t wear body armor.)

    Now assume that the would be assassin prefers to target the Trump supporters in the grandstand as well as President Trump. Given the densely packed crowd, every projectile would probably impact someone in some part of their body. Now assume a Remington 870 Tactical Express with a six round magazine plus one in the chamber. Give. #00 buckshot, a shooter would likely score hits on about five dozen people. If the shooter had loaded #4 buckshot, then some 189, potentially lethal projectiles would be unleashed upon the spectators. Scores of people would be hit. Most of these victims would suffer multiple injuries. Given such a massive casualty event, the mortality rate from even normally minor injuries would be much greater than in single victim events.

    • Well I now see all of my mistakes.

      The biggest issue is in the fifth paragraph. I edited out a sentence specifying that the assassin is shooting slugs.

      • Eh easy enough to filter through. Don’t think we will see many shotgun uses in high profile attempts even if they could be used to marginal effectiveness at varying distances out to 200ish yards as it’s just too imprecise for a select target and too ineffective compared to more chemical means for numbers. I would be far more concerned on their being used in crowded public spaces for many of the reasons you outlined but they will never be as concealable/easy to quickly reassemble as other options which is likely a part of their less often usage.

        • Amen.
          However; what do the Columbine,l HS, Sant Fe Texas HS, Capital Gazette, and Washington Navy Yard massacres all have in common?

          The primary or only weapons were shotguns.
          Shotguns aren’t used in high profile massacres because the media refuse to report them and the media focus inspires would be mass murderers to an select AR-15 rifle. It is a self fulfilling prophecy.

          Even in the Los Vegas massacre, the energy and velocity loss at a quarter mile was extreme. Depending on the exact loading, the bullets from Paddock’s AR-15s had lost about one-half to three-quarters of their kinetic energy. The resulting terminal ballistics were comparable to #00 buckshot at a more moderate range of fifty yards.

          Of course a commercial truck with a heavy Kangaroo guard could inflict horrific carnage on a crowd.

          One other point. The assassin’s AR-15 failed to kill President Trump. He only killed one supporter and critically wounded two others by accident. This was because he had a crowd to shoot into.

          In contrast, the Secret Service snipers who were armed with bolt action rifles killed the assassin with only one shot. A reasonably competent assassin could have employed a bolt action or even a lever action rifle to similarly deadly effect.

          • Also close quarters for all of your examples, meanwhile in Norway a mini 14 killed about as many as all your examples combined. All a matter of situation and individual skills (thankfully typically lacking). To focus on one type of threat often leads to missing others that are better suited.

  9. Notice how he made a big deal about not saying crosshairs, like that mattered. He said that because they’re still going with Sarah Palin was responsible for the Gifford’s shooting. Remember that big stink? Why isn’t the NYT all over Biden for the bullseye comment? It’s almost like they’re propagandists working for Democrats.

    • Dude, MSM doesn’t care what Biden says unless it is something negative relative to Trump. These people(MSM) hate one man more that they love the U S A.

    • Same reason the NYT isn’t over anything Democrats say.
      Which is also the same reason BET doesn’t seem to mind that Biden said “you know, the black guy” in an interview on their network.

  10. This is no different from the usual leftist rant:
    1. Claim everyone needs to tone down their speech.
    2. Demand gun rights people compromise.
    3. Trot out bogus, made up statistics.
    4. Find or create “gun owners” to push your agenda.
    5. Have your pet media push your latest scheme.
    6. Have your pet politicians advocate for your nonsense.
    7. Repeat

  11. The initial report was 5 shots. Results: 2 head wounds, 1 fatal, 2 mid-torso hits (on 1 victim), Trump’s ear, and a creased neck on a 12 yo. Not really what I would expect from spray and pray at a single target with a crowd as a backstop, but not impossible.

    The subsequent claim was 8 shots, not 5, but that doesn’t change the story that much

    I see this kid as wanting a high body count to go with the dead candidate.

    The story about the “tryout” for the rifle club is interesting, when you consider the reports that his dad owns “20 guns” and that they spent father/son time on the range at the gun club. He might have been goofing on said rifle club, imo…

    That implies a serious level of alienation from his peer group, and a taste for deception.

    Add in the “counter-sniper team” that took up a “position inside the building” and suddenly I need a beer and a burger, mama…

  12. We should refer alleged journalists to the actual crime data. Here is a link to an informative page of the 2019 issue of Crime in the United States . I use the 2019 issue because that is the final year that the FBI was collating data on types of weapons. Also, almost half the jurisdictions in the US, including New York City and Los Angeles, have ceased submitting data.

    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8.xls

    As we can see, only 364 of the 13,927 reported homicides in 2019 were committed with rifles of any type. Extrapolating from the far more precise, caliber specific data for homicides of police officers, it can be estimated that only about one-hundred-and-fifty people were murdered with military caliber, semiautomatic rifles in 2019. Of course this excludes the much larger number of alleged criminals who were killed by police who were armed with AR-15 “patrol rifles.”

    You will notice that there is no category for utilizing a motor vehicle as a weapon. This is insane given the massive casualty, terrorist attacs at Nice France and Wakashau Wisconsin. Of course many murders with vehicles can easily be mistaken for accidents, so the number would probably be vastly undercounted.

    I will not bloviate about how far more people were killed in arson fires, bludgeons, knives, strangulations, bearings and the like. It would make more sense to ban steel tied boots than to ban AR-15s.

  13. I just have to wonder if ANYONE, on either side of the argument, has bothered to look at the AR-15 sales data that is available from the BATFE reports. It seems that the way the 94 ban was written it specifically allowed for slightly (appearance) modified rifles to be sold without federal restriction. If you look at the 1964 — 1994 data, and then at the 1994-2004 data during the ban what you find is that (since he continually claims credit for the ban) Biden was the greatest salesperson for the AR type rifle that it has ever seen. During the 10 year year ban period it sold at over 2.5 times the average annual sales rate for the preceeding 30 years. Since then, of course, sales have approached or exceeded a million a year…..driven by……..well, you can guess.

    • I was more focused on the FBI’s detailed, caliber, manufacturer and model specific data on weapons used to murder police officers. Prior to the Clinton ban going into effect, a total of only two police officers had ever seen killed with AK-47s. This included one AK that was actually chambered in .223 rather than 7.62×39 mm. Cop killers began to use AK-47s only after the ban went into effect. Interestingly, the number of officers killed with M-1 carbines and the Ruger Mini-14 plummeted.

  14. One has to admit that the security arrangements for the Trump rally in Buxton Pennsylvania were about as smart as a security plan for a Biden rally at the University of Texas, Austin that neglected to secure the clock tower.

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