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If there’s one thing for certain, it’s that the anti-gun fake news site thetrace.org, which touts itself as an unbiased news source, is always going to come down on the wrong side of the ongoing debate over the Second Amendment.

But don’t take my word that it’s nothing more than an anti-gun shill website focused on propping up gun-ban proposals. Just look at a handful of the site’s latest headlines, all of which have a distinctly anti-freedom twist: “Red Flag Gun Laws Under Fire,” “Shot By A Civilian Wielding A Police Gun,” “Gunmaker Sig Sauer Found Liable in Shooting Accident,” and “How a SCOTUS Decision Led to an Unprecedented Gun Sales Boom.”

The Trace’s latest “flackery” is a not-so-veiled attempt to scare readers into voting for Vice President Kamala Harris in this fall’s presidential election. Headlined “What Harris and Trump Might Do About Guns if Elected,” the story paints a rosy picture of Harris’ gun-ban credentials, while trashing her opponent, former President Donald Trump, insinuating that he’s a shill for pro-gun groups like the National Rifle Association.

“Harris has made the prevention of gun violence a key focus of her campaign,” the story boasts. “As we’ve reported, the Democratic nominee has backed gun safety regulations throughout her political career, and she has taken a prominent role in the Biden administration’s gun policy work.”

The report continues with a glowing report on Harris’ anti-freedom credentials, specifically mentioning the support for her campaign by a variety of gun-ban groups.

“Harris has received endorsements from all of the major gun reform organizations, including March For Our Lives, Giffords and the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence,” the report states. “Brady’s president, Kris Brown, pointed out that Harris’s running mate, Governor Tim Walz, has approved ERPOs and other gun safety laws in Minnesota, and Brown believes he will work to implement similar policies at the federal level.”

Turning to Trump, the report attempts to make him out to be the bad guy as far as firearms are concerned.

“Trump has taken a different stance on guns by positioning himself as a staunch defender of the Second Amendment and aligning with the interests of gun lobbying groups like the National Rifle Association,” the report states. “The NRA, the most prominent gun rights organization in the United States, officially endorsed Trump during its annual convention in Dallas in May, where Trump was a keynote speaker. On the same day, Trump’s campaign announced the creation of a ‘Gun Owners for Trump’ coalition, signaling his intent to appeal strongly to gun rights supporters.”

“If reelected, experts expect Trump to resist new restrictions on gun ownership,” the report says. “He would likely support measures to expand concealed-carry rights, including allowing permit holders to carry their firearms across state lines without licensing.”

Lastly, the report lambasts the former president for remaking the U.S. Supreme Court to interpret the U.S. Constitution the way the Founders had intended.

“The three judges Trump nominated to the Supreme Court—Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh, and Amy Coney Barrett—have already had long-lasting implications for gun regulation,” the report warns. “One of the candidate’s senior advisors has said that if Trump returns to the White House, he plans to appoint more federal judges who interpret the Second Amendment broadly.”

While the report is unlikely to change any of The Trace readers’ minds as they’ve probably already “drank the anti-gun Kool-Aid,” it could turn some undecided voters who support the Second Amendment toward the Trump camp. When read just the opposite as it was intended, the report actually gives gun owners yet another reason to shun Harris at the polls in November.

86 COMMENTS

  1. But Harris said during the debate she’s a gun owner and isn’t going to go after anyones guns.
    Maybe the folks at The Trace missed the debate? No way madame Harris is lying just to sway votes. She has all the integrity of a Cheney, Rumsfeld or Bush.

    • Kamala speaking to local news (link gets moderated): “I feel very strongly that it is consistent with the second amendment and your right to own a gun to say that we need an assault weapons ban.”

      She lied nonstop during the debate. That was probably the last presidential debate with moderators. It’s wild how people are still shocked by the media being biased and dishonest. Has everyone forgotten Russiagate, Covid, Hunter’s laptop, etc?

    • “the integrity of a Cheney, Rumsfeld or Bush“

      Yep, you sure can’t trust a Republican.

      But you voted Republican the last eight elections, what does that say about you?

      • Haven’t been alive long enough to vote in 8 elections.

        If you want the rundown it was: Ron Paul write-in, Ron Paul write-in, Ron Paul libertarian, Trump, Trump.

        Not exactly the Cheney, Rumsfeld or Bushs of the Republican party.

      • What does that say about him voting republican? It says he enjoyed the lower cost of stuff and lack of marx -ist socia – list communist democrats in power wanting to remove every ones constitutional rights and lack of fear of some federal law enforcement agency self-interpreting something so they could raid his home to murder him.

        • Don’t forget Trump not starting another endless war. NOW the Dims n Rino cabal want WWIII😧

          • “Don’t forget Trump not starting another endless war“

            No, Republican Trump just continued unabated the ‘endless war’ started by his Republican predecessor Bush.

            And he negotiated with terrorists to retreat from Afghanistan, leaving only 2500 American soldiers to provide security in-country, while releasing 5000 Taliban combatants to return to the fight in Afghanistan.

            So why didn’t Donald Trump pull the troops out of Afghanistan, he had four years to get it done.

            It took a Democrat president who did the hard work and took the political flak for getting us out of the mess the Republicans had created.

            Never forget the score, 45 American soldiers killed by the terrorists in Afghanistan on Donald Trump’s watch, only 13 during Biden’s term.

            I don’t forget these Americans who died in service to their country, Donald Trump couldn’t even remember their names.

            I’m sure he’ll miss their memorial service at Arlington, it wouldn’t be a ‘good look’ for him

            “The findings and recommendations with regard to the tragic events of 4 October 2017, that resulted in the deaths of four America soldiers…

            Sergeant First Class (SFC) Jeremiah Johnson1, Staff Sergeant (SSG) Bryan Black, SSG Dustin Wright, and Sergeant (SGT) LaDavid Johnson gave their last full measure of devotion to our country and died with honor while actively engaging the enemy.”

        • PATRIOT act would like a word but I don’t think of neocons any differently than Democrats. The recent endorsements seem to support this but what can you do.

        • “some federal law enforcement agency self-interpreting something so they could raid his home to murder him.”

          Never forget. Also recall that Miner cheered it on.

          • “Miner cheered it on”

            Nope, I’m waiting on the results of the investigation, testimony and evidence before I reach a conclusion about the warrant service.

            Y’all might consider reserving judgment until the facts are in, might save you much embarrassment…

      • minor49iq…Anyone who supports any gun control candidate supports an Agenda History Confirms is Rooted in Racism and Genocide. There is no way for you or anyone else to dance around Gun Control and its Rot. But do not feel alone with being a lowlife because certain Gun talking blowbags on this forum have barked like mangy dogs at me citing the History of Gun Control and Defining Gun Control for History illiterates across America. I can backup what I say here whereas you and certain gun talking blowbags do not stand a snowball’s chance in hell of doing the same.

        Furthermore blocking picture links as this site does now is something I would expect from the Trace. Here is a vid link that educates useful idiots like you far more IMO than any article that has ever been on TTAG. To get by the gestapo moderator you’ll notice the h has to be reconnected…
        h ttps://youtube.com/watch?v=ZFEz3Bt9hCw&feature=shared

      • “the integrity of a Cheney, Rumsfeld or Bush“

        You mean the people that are on the same side as you and democrats these days? It’s funny how Cheney has been Satan to dems for decades, but now Kamala is bragging about the Cheneys endorsing her. You guys can have them.

        • And she keeps bring him up. Cheney and McCain. She’s being sure to announce to the MIC at every opportunity that she’s on their side.

          RFK Jr. was absolutely right when he said the Dems are now the party of the MIC, big business, big tech, big pharma, big agri and nation building meddling.

          It’s sad so few apparently see it. Or they do see it and are willing to throw away whatever convictions they claimed to have had for last 30 years just to vote blue no matter who.

        • “You mean the people that are on the same side as you and democrats these days?“

          Well, Rumsfield is dead so it’s too late for him, but the other two are getting old and eternity nears.

          Some folks try to set things right before they shuffle off this mortal coil.

          • How did they change? Still for endless wars, big government, and infringement of civil rights. If anything they have been remarkably consistent.

            • “Still for endless wars“

              May I remind you, the endless war was started by a republican president, and Donald Trump had four years but failed to end that war.

              It took a Democratic president who is willing to do the hard work pulling our troops out, a mission that was complicated because Donald Trump released 5000 Taliban combatants back into Afghanistan just before the withdrawal.

              I’m sure the Taliban was thrilled when Donald Trump freed their 5000 man ready reaction force to attack the reduced American forces in Afghanistan.

              Apparently the only time Donald Trump can get the logistics right is when it aids America’s enemies.

              • Neocon yes, you seem a bit lost on the distinction. Bush has nothing to do with constitutional minded republicans. As to the rest not going to bother reading as your track record indicates it’s a waste. But I am happy for you or sorry that happened, pick whatever applies for you

    • Kamala’s, “Took ‘Ol Biden Out Behind the Barn and Shot Him to Death,” campaign is betting everything on the strategy of saying nothing, lying about everything, and hoping the Marxists who back her effort will see that the web of deceit is just a masquerade for the rubes of middle America.

      Of course, Kamala wants to ban guns. Of course she wants to ban fracking. Of course, she wants to raise taxes into the stratosphere. Of course, her foreign policy will put Americans last (it wouldn’t be a foreign policy otherwise, right?). Of course, she supports transgender surgeries for illegal immigrants! (good freaking grief)

      Of course, of course, of course.

      Kamala Harris and her ilk have the lying part down pat. They’re inveterate liars. Shameless liars. They can’t even help themselves.

      Fortunately for America, they’re also incompetent losers. They’re not even good at lying, it turns out, the one area where they might be able to claim some kind of expertise. It’s actually quite amazing how stupid these people are. It’s so easy to see through their lies. Stunningly easy. Like seeing through the lies of a three-year-old, which is about the age demographic their campaign should appeal to.

      Incompetent lies. Lying incompetents.

      Remember, a vote for a Democrat in 2025 is a vote for someone who hates you because you’re smarter and better than they are. In their tiny gremlin brains, they know it and simply can’t stand it.

      Throw them out. Make them face up to it.

      • “Remember, a vote for a Democrat in 2025 is a vote for someone who hates you”

        OK, you’re right, hey everybody be sure to vote for the Republicans in 2025.

        I’ll see you guys at the polls in 2025, and I’ll bring the beer!

        • Alright miner, you hate Republicans. I understand, they have been exactly as guilty of screwing people as any other party [PLEASE DONT GET HUNG UP ON THIS].
          I genuinely want you to explain your stance on GUN RIGHTS. Ignore everything else, don’t go into a tangent about Trump. Just tell us your actual stance on it. I have not seen a single example of you giving a straight answer on it, and if you have I haven’t seen it.

          • Miner owns an AR-15 along with standard capacity magazines. He has admitted this. Policies come and go. They don’t matter. The only thing he believes in is The Party. It’s his team against the other team. Tribalism explains a lot.

          • “I have not seen a single example of you giving a straight answer on it, and if you have I haven’t seen it”

            I’ve posted it here many times, I’ll post it again.

            I think that folks should be required to attend both classroom and range sessions on rights and responsibilities before they are permitted to carry firearms in public spaces.

            I think a minimum age of 18 for long guns and 21 for pistol purchase is reasonable.

        • “Remember, a vote for a Democrat in 2025 is a vote for someone who hates you…”

          The Democrat party committed elder abuse, lying brazenly about Joe Biden’s cognitive decline, cruelly propping him up, prancing him around like an ailing circus pony, and calling it “cheap fakes” when they were caught. Now they expect us to rally around a supposedly new candidate of “joy” and “vibes,” as if we’re a bunch of stupid rubes who can’t see what’s really happening.

          The only thing “cheap” and “fake” about the whole sordid affair is Kamala Harris and her cabal of accomplices. Their contempt for ordinary voters, both Republicans and Democrats (who can at least agree the country should be run for the benefit of a free people instead of for the benefit of grifting politicians), is obvious.

          Feels pretty hateful to me. I stand by what I said.

          • “the benefit of grifting politicians“

            Do you have your golden tennis shoes yet? How about NFT trading cards with Trump the astronaut?

            But anyway, you may be right, we all need to vote for Republicans in 2025, and I’ll meet you at the polls in 2025.

            “Remember, a vote for a Democrat in 2025 is a vote for someone who hates you… ”

            What was it Otter sad…

            “Gee, you’re dumb… “

              • “A tyrant would arrest you for that sort of talk“

                No, it’s much more likely you would be picked up for a mental evaluation because you think the election is in 2025.

              • You’re wrong again, Miner. This has already happened.

                JUST IN: Douglass Mackey has been sentenced to prison for sharing memes about Hillary Clinton & the 2016 election.

                His crime? Posting memes about Hillary, joking about being able to vote by phone, similar to how people vote on American Idol.

                A democrat committed a very similar crime, but she was a democrat, so the tyrants didn’t persecute her.

            • Haha, I see what you mean. Fair enough – meant to put 2024. Got me! (I hope you’ll still plan for a 2025 vote)

              Now care to address the substance of my comments? Probably not.

              As for the tennis shoes and NFT stuff, I’m stumped.

          • “Now they expect us to rally around a supposedly new candidate of “joy” and “vibes,” as if we’re a bunch of stupid rubes who can’t see what’s really happening”

            That’s what they think of their own voters. Don’t have to imagine what they think of us.

          • “Remember, a vote for a Democrat in 2025“

            “I stand by what I said“

            This could not be funnier, and I’m glad to hear you’ll be voting in 2025.

            Tell me, do you think you’ll see very many other folks at the polls in 2025?

            • MajorLiar,

              Umm . . . you are aware, aren’t you, that IF Kamal-toe the Ho wins the election (or if your party of graveyard votes and mysterious “after midnight” mail-in votes manages to steal it), KAMAL-TOE would be sworn in in . . . 2025???? Are you REALLY that stupid??? He didn’t say he’d VOTE for her in 2025, he said that a vote for her would mean a Dimocrat ib 2025.

              What am I thinking, “Are you REALLY that stupid???”. OF COURSE you’re that stupid. After all, in addition to all the stupidity you post on this site, you are a self-declared Leftist/fascist (a belief system that is counterfactual, and has NEVER worked, in the history of mankind). The sad part is that you’re too stupid to even know that you’re stupid.

              • Thanks for sticking up for me – fair points! But I’ll own it. I meant to write 2024, not 2025. Probably thinking “inauguration” instead of “election” in a moment of quick typing. Whatever. Miner is never going to deal with the substance of what I wrote because he can’t. Instead, he’ll strut and crow, picking on a typo to deflect from the lies and incompetence he supports.

            • I probably will be voting in 2025, in fact, presumably in some local election where, yes, a vote for a Democrat would still be a vote for someone who hates me.

              As for the presidential election, yep, you are indeed correct, that will be in 2024. Whew. Imagine my dismay and confusion if I were to show up in November 2025 and the whole thing had been settled a year before. Gosh, that would have been some egg on my face! You’ve saved Democracy for me, Miner, and I thank you for it.

              In other news, there has been a second assassination attempt on Donald Trump today, so now that we’ve cleared up that little mix-up, perhaps you’d be willing to introspect for just a second about the hatred seething in your party, hmmm? Might be nice to tone it down some.

              In that spirit, I’ll finish by saying something nice to you: you have great quantitative literacy skills, and I admire you for it.

  2. Been on the Trace hundreds of times. You know that keep your enemies closer thing.
    My deeper dive on their stats show 89 percent false or misleading results. Of the 89 percent, 85 percent was so wrong even a 3rd grader knows it’s false.
    One stat of school shootings ,70 percent showed the school board voting against beefing up security. Wanna know why ? Scary guns in the hands of teachers, resource management and metal detecting the takes away a students personal infringement. I e backpacks. Screen shot this and show non believers this. or they can repeat my work and find out for themselves.

  3. Oh and also, i guess their readers don’t realize this, but the president has nothing to do with “gun violence”.

  4. So exactly who will be disarmed should the scary rifles be banned? Neither the criminals nor the government will ever be disarmed by such bans. So that leaves out the more or less law abiding small business owners, private property owners, and tax paying citizens.
    Go ahead and vote for the leftists, progressives, dementiacrats, and globalists. Then you can enjoy the illusion of safety while being herded into the re-education and slave labor camps.
    Take an honest look at the history of both disarmament and the various strains of socialism/Marxism/Fascism/communism. Then give us an example of when either worked out for the benefit of the general populace. And sorry, the Danes or Swedes are not socialist. They have a high tax rate with social welfare programs they are finding have become excessively abused and overly expensive. But, they are still market based, capitalist countries.

  5. June 21, 2024 NBC News YouTube. Harris said she would ban assault rifles by executive order if Congress did not do so.

    • she can’t ban them by executive order, its a false promise. Neither the constitution nor the law gives that authority to the president. That’s completely in the purview of congress. And its most likely that congress can do it either now as this is not 1994 any more. Especially since it can not be proven qualitatively that the civilian MSR (AKA AR-15) is actually an ‘assault rifle’ (which it isn’t) because it does not meet the standard over which government has authority which is the ‘assault rifle’ of the U.S. military and the civilian AR-15 is not the same thing – plus – its gonna be really difficult to get that as a law from federal government past SCOTUS considering its a direct and intentional infringement by the federal government that, in light of Bruen, has to be rooted in text-history-tradition and there isn’t any. Its very doubtful congress can do it either now. And besides, even if she could, the American people are not bound or obligated or required to follow such an executive order.

      • You know that and I know that, but her acolytes will believe anything that supports their emotional needs. They have been indoctrinated to ignore facts that don’t support their ideology and agendas and that is what we are up against in the election. So don’t underestimate her because she will do whatever her handlers tell her to do. Just like Dementia Joe has and beside Obama wants a 4th term to complete the transformative society he spoke fondly of on many occasions.

    • “June 21, 2024 NBC News YouTube. Harris said she would ban assault rifles by executive order if Congress did not do so.”

      When she said that she was really saying “If congress will not do what I want then I am going to act as a monarch and rule by fiat.” Its what Biden is doing now, its is the very definition of tyrant which is also “An absolute ruler who governs without restrictions, especially one who seized power illegally.”

      If she did that she would be seizing power illegally because this is only in the purview of congress, and its ignoring restrictions that the constitution does not give such authority to the president (zero authority to ban any type of firearm or anything property wise), so if she did that she would be an absolute ruler because she would be ruling by fiat though an executive order. Even Joe Biden told her during the debate between him and her in her past run for president that it would be unconstitutional, and no president has tried it by executive order because they can’t because they know they do not have that authority constitutionally.

      Joe tried to get around that and congress by doing executive order to ATF to in essence and intent create defacto law by self-interpretation and re-interpretation and already they have murdered people because they ‘said so’ based on their own self-interpretation. Like those 13 that died during the incompetent Biden withdrawal from Afghanistan, where by his incompetence he intentionally armed the enemy, those 13 he ‘murdered’ by his incompetence … his rule by fiat has murdered American citizens and intentionally seeks to do so by ‘self-interpretation’.

      Her statement was playing on the emotions of her followers to manipulate them, and the anti-gun orgs cheer it on too. These groups don’t operate much on a factual basis, very little of what they say has an actual foundation in factual truth when you start digging and look close so they push emotional based. Like the term ‘assault weapon’ (derived from ‘assault rifle’) applied to the civilian MSR…it was an invented term application by Josh Sugarmann who even said he invented it to intentionally deceive the public – that’s what this statement of hers is, a deception and the anti-gun orgs and ‘progressives’ and left-wing are deceiving with it also as are her followers deceiving their selves and others. Such rule by fiat will murder and terrorize innocent American men, women, and children, not just gun owners but also for the next thing or something she decides she or Joe, or the next democrat president decides they, can rule by fiat over. Sure, they will drag out definitions and lot of people will say lots of words to say it wasn’t murder… but the most recent example, had it not been for ‘qualified immunity’ being used those involved in the ATF for that ‘self-interpretation based’ raid on Bryan Malinowski, a man who committed zero crime, would be on trial for his execution murder now and that murder happened because Joe ruled by fiat and made it happen by his rule by fiat.

      Such an action she proposes by executive action is outright blatant tyranny.

      • And valor stealing Tim Walz is in lockstep- with comrade Kamala on tyranny also.

        Walz made a statement: “There’s no guarantee to free speech on misinformation or hate speech, and especially around our democracy.”

        First, we are a constitutional republic and not a democracy but that aside…

        Notice how suddenly ‘misinformation’ is not protected speech according to him. There is no ‘misinformation’ exception to the First Amendment, and also ‘hate-speech’ although the effects of such may be harmful and that can be charged as a crime there is also no ‘hate-speech’ exception to the First Amendment and SCOTUS has even said so – The Supreme Court has held that labeling speech as hateful does not render it unsayable, so even hate-speech is First Amendment protected speech when its said. The Supreme Court has made clear that there is no “hate speech” exception to the First Amendment thus it is protected speech. But the hate-speech aside… the ‘misinformation’ portion was what people should really have paid attention to but instead the left wing media and adoring Kamal and Walz fans cheered it.

        In the 2020 election and after and during the covid pandemic, Biden, Kamala, and other democrat politicians of government, intentionally sought to, and did, censor the First Amendment protected speech of hundreds of thousands of American citizens on various social media platforms and its been proven. Usually this is thought of as happening on facebook and Twitter but it was happening all over the internet and just not on facebook and twitter. They justified it by saying it was ‘mis-information’ or ‘dis-information’ based on their own self-serving ‘definitions’ while they pushed narratives we know today to have been intentionally false. Within 38 hours of taking office Joe Biden and Kamala Harris went into a meeting with FBI and others in government to formulate a plan to ‘combat’ ‘mis-information’ by censoring it through social media and in the more than happy to oblige left wing media, stuff said my thousands of America citizens that was contrary to the false narratives the democrat party and Joe and Kamala wanted to push such as, for example, the Hunter Biden laptop.

        Now think whats going to happen if Kamala decides she can, by executive order, rule that ‘mis-information’ is ‘banned’ and direct the FBI or that obscure and secretive (now armed thanks to Joe) ‘cyber’ division of government to ‘self-interpret’ and raid the homes of people who said things on line with fully armed tactical teams because they said something contrary to the government narrative.

        Yes Tim Walz is fully in lock-step with tyranny. Tom Walz has already demonstrated he is more than happy to use police and military force against innocent American men, women, and children by use of unconstitutionally and legally unlawful orders. Whats going to happen when Walz or Kamala decide to self-interpret what ‘mis-information’ is and that its ‘a threat’ because someone says something contrary to the narrative they want to push? Is it going to be the FBI raiding a home of an innocent person with a fully armed tactical team who’s only purpose for existence is to bring ‘deadly force’ along to force compliance and some home occupant awakened in the the middle of the night decides they will not comply with such a home invasion?

        yeah, Tim Walz is fully in lock-step with tyranny just like the rest of the democrat party, and the delusional left wing by believing in Kamala and Joe and Walz and cheering them on.

        h–ttp -s://reason.com/2024/08/08/tim-walz-was-dead-wrong-about-misinformation-and-free-speech/

        h–ttp -s: — //thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/4214044-theres-no-disinformation-exception-to-the-first-amendment/

        h- t – tps: — //reason.com/volokh/2024/08/08/vp-candidate-tim-walz-on-theres-no-guarantee-to-free-speech-on-misinformation-or-hate-speech-and-especially-around-our-democracy/

        • Now bring that to the attention of the average dem- voting moron, and they’ll say ” Trump has SAID he’d like to be a dictator”… for a DAY

        • “There is no ‘misinformation’ exception to the First Amendment“

          Interesting, so you believe laws against defamation, libel and slander are unconstitutional?

          So I could put up posters in your neighborhood with your photo and text stating that you are a convicted pedophile who routinely molests little boys, without consequence?

          I could write a letter to your local PD and tell them that you’re holding young boys against their will in your basement and my deliberate misinformation to the authorities would be completely within the law under the United States Constitution?

          • “Interesting, so you believe laws against defamation, libel and slander are unconstitutional?

            So I could put up posters in your neighborhood with your photo and text stating that you are a convicted pedophile who routinely molests little boys, without consequence?

            I could write a letter to your local PD and tell them that you’re holding young boys against their will in your basement and my deliberate misinformation to the authorities would be completely within the law under the United States Constitution?”

            I never said any such thing, stop lying.

            I even put links for you that explains what I was saying for ‘mis-information’

            So learn what context AND research means.

          • MajorLiar (you babbling quarter-wit),

            Tell us you are COMPLETELY ignorant about being liable for the CONSEQUENCES of your action, and the entire CONCEPT of “prior restraint”, without using those words. Oops, looks like you just did, at least twice. You are simply too stupid to insult, MajorIdiot.

  6. RFK Jr. BEATS democrat Cheating Secretary in Key Swing State (basically trying to rig election against Trump – other states democrats trying same trick)

    (note: remove the ‘-‘ and contract to fully form url to watch, but if one appears after the = do not remove those)

    http-s — ://ww-w.you-tube.-com/watch?v=RUx7I5F7Km8

    • Wait a minute, I thought RFK filed a petition to be on the ballot in North Carolina?

      “Kennedy got on the ballot in July as the nominee of the new We The People party created by his supporters. The elections board gave official recognition to the party after it collected enough voter signatures.”

      So he got on the ballot in July and now wants off the ballot? Who will pay for that?

      Oh right, the taxpayers of North Carolina.

      “Iredell County expects it will cost more than $22,000 to reprint more than 60,000 ballots, Gaston County says it will be about $31,000 to reprint almost 130,000 ballots, and Cabarrus County says reprinting and postage will cost only about $5,000 because they had only printed around 6,400 ballots before the supreme court’s decision.“

      “CHEROKEE COUNTY, N.C. — A ruling by North Carolina’s Supreme Court is going to cost the election commission in Cherokee County, North Carolina several thousand dollars.
      “With RFK Jr. off the ballot, Wake County to pay about $66K to reprint ballots
      Posted 10:46 p.m. Sep 11 — Updated 11:27 p.m. Sep 11“

      • …. but Bidumb dropping out on July 22nd wouldn’t have caused the same expenses? I guess it would be easier to just put Obama/ Same old Shit on the ballot and let people know who they’re actually voting for.

        • “but Bidumb dropping out on July 22nd wouldn’t have caused the same expenses?“

          Nope, the ballots hadn’t been printed yet in July so no added expense to the taxpayers.

          Of course, the conservative Republicans don’t give a shit about how much the taxpayers are forced to shell out, for them it’s all about making Donald Trump “dictator on day one”.

          • Miner, RFK dropped out the DAY AFTER harris accepted the nomination and became the OFFICIAL candidate for president of the DFL. Are you telling us now that those states had just ASSUMED that joe’s naming her was golden ? … is that the way it
            works now?

      • News Flash! Breaking News! … Miner49er declares he has no critical thinking skills and doesn’t understand what context means.

      • Miner49er said: “Oh right, the taxpayers of North Carolina.”

        But you want those same taxpayers to pay for what would be an untrue ballot and become a fraudulent election by allowing votes to be cast for people who were not even running for office because they were ‘officially’ printed on the ballot?

        Removing candidates is already paid for, and yes its tax dollars, but they are not expending anything in addition because the funds are already allocated. But you want the tax payers to pay extra to defend against the ensuing lawsuits risking invalidating an election.

        You are a moron.

        • “But you want those same taxpayers to pay for what would be an untrue ballot“

          Nope, the ballots had already been printed and the money spent with RFK’s name on them because RFK had filed a petition to put his name on the ballot.

          Just days later RFK decided to take his name off the ballot, it was his decision and he should bear the expense of re-printing the ballots.

          It’s more of that ‘personal responsibility’ the conservatives claim but fail to practice.

          • Like I said before, (that you conveniently left out in your cherry picking) …

            “But you want those same taxpayers to pay for what would be an untrue ballot and become a fraudulent election by allowing votes to be cast for people who were not even running for office because they were ‘officially’ printed on the ballot.”

            Thanks for verifying I was right about you.

      • “So he got on the ballot in July and now wants off the ballot?”

        This is a surprise to you?

        Yes, he wants his name off the ballot its kinda obvious. That’s his prerogative. Its part of the overall election process that a candidate can decide that if they are not going to run.

        • “That’s his prerogative“

          Yes, that’s his decision and he is responsible for the costs associated with him pulling out of the election.

          And that makes RFK the biggest flip-flopper ever.

          “I’m running for president!

          Nope, just days later “I’m not running for president!”

          That’s even bigger than Donald Trump’s VP running mate JP Mandel saying that “Trump is America’s Hitler” right before he bends the knee to Donald Trump.

          Conservative Republicans are apparently the party of Flip-Floppers, kinda like a stinky fish out of water.

          • “Yes, that’s his decision and he is responsible for the costs associated with him pulling out of the election.”

            100% false. Its the cost of ‘doing business’, and it is financed by the American tax payer that’s true. But like all taxes paid, we don’t have a say so in what specific things they are spent on but its just the cost needed. No one makes you pay for wear and tear of you walking on public sidewalks … tax payer dollars pay for that upkeep and maintenance and its the cost of ‘doing business’ as a government entity.

            All states are responsible for their own costs for anything to do with the election process in the state including complying with laws for elections and making sure the ballots are true ballots – its is the states responsibil9ity to ensure the ballots are true. Ya know they get federal funds to pay for that right? Every year they get federal funds to use in federal elections for their election process. This cost was paid for a long time ago, and in those funds not used the state gets to keep those to use for something else they want and they rake in thousands to millions a year in keeping those funds so a state paying ~$20,000.00 to use the funds to pay for what is their responsibility for a true ballot is not asking too much. The state is not actually out a penny in reality. Its grants through the U.S. Election Assistance Commission.

          • … so maybe the disingenuous harris should stop using the flip flopping rino cheney outcasts by name dropping at every chance she gets… ” and these are my parties arch-enemies, the stinky fish out of water father/daughter Dick and Liz team “…. one whom left office with an approval rating of 13 %, and the other whom lost renomination by the party with just shy of 29%.
            Yep, some real trophy fish there, Miner. Wonder how those stinky dead fish taste after a diet of sour grapes.

  7. …moderated into oblivion. Maybe you guys should think about changing ” The TRUTH about…” to something more fitting…

  8. For all the dumbf*cKs that believe 20 years is ‘forever’ when fighting a war, your enemy decides when you can stop fighting. It is exactly that type of dumba$$ thinking that gave Afghanistan back to the Taliban. All they had to do is wait.

    • Besides a striking distance base to Iran what value does Afghanistan have? In a year of punitive raids we could have accomplished more of value than the 2 decades and countless billions we wasted at all levels. You are right that historically 20 years isn’t that much but such instances were profitable to the occupying army/nation. Afghanistan has whatever trillion in minerals but little to no infrastructure and even less domestic talent to work with. Africa is a much better option for such ventures and even that is a mess.

      • Its location makes it valuable to monitor or respond to terrorists in the region and events in the entire Indo-Pacific area as well.

        My comment wasn’t about the location as much as surrendering to an enemy that still wants to kill us and will strengthen and attack us again. Leaving the Taliban a terrorist sanctuary with billions in weapons was a mistake that will cost far more money and lives to fix in the future. That, along with the open Southern border, worries me about an impending attack.

        • Can’t argue the pullout was fucked up beyond any recognition of something competent…..or the current border situation being similarly mismanaged. But having been to one and seeing how little we accomplished with Pakistan enabling the Taliban and far far worse just over the border I struggle to accept anything of value was accomplished besides updating vehicle designs and small unit tactics. But then I was more a fan of smashing anything of value, killing anything needing killing, and leaving them to rebuild using their own resources. They will always have their propaganda points for recruiting but it means less when they have to feed themselves.

        • Stuck in moderation but understand the sentiment just really didn’t support the neocon/democrat strategy that led up to your (correct) criticism of how we have been encouraging vulnerabilities.

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