911 calls rang out in the early morning hours of September 22nd reporting gunshots and a male seen lying on the ground in Henderson, Nevada, according to officials.
If you need yet another eye-rolling reference to provide the next easily led automaton who questions why you need a gun, here’s one more for the dumpster fire. Now, you never really know what anyone is up to taking a stroll at 4 AM on a Saturday, but Henderson is Las Vegas adjacent and we all know that city never sleeps. Not to mention, this is America, and I’ll take a walk whenever I feel like it.
While we should be able to take a walk, go to the grocery store or play with our children at the park without fear of violent criminals trying to ruin our day, it seems the powers that be are far too busy trying to restrict law-abiding citizens while all but giving license to those with total disregard for decency. Luckily, although Nevada is looking far too purple for my taste, it is still a state where gun laws are marginally decent, and carrying a gun is still a way of life for many.
One such individual, our hero in this story, was enjoying those cool morning hours prior to the rise of the blistering desert sun when he was approached by an armed bad guy who demanded he turn over his wallet and cell phone. Having already decided, however, that playing the role of victim just wasn’t his thing, our hero was carrying his own firearm, which he used to politely decline the intrusive demands of our villain, shooting him dead on the spot. Okay, maybe it wasn’t so polite, but you have to admit it was effective, and who can honestly go without their cell phone these days for more than five minutes?
When Henderson Police and Fire Departments responded to the 1000 block of Wellness Place, detectives on the scene were greeted by the only participant of the encounter who still had a heartbeat, a 33-year-old man who was unsurprisingly cooperative with authorities, as most in the 2A community tend to be.
Officials have preliminarily determined that the man, fearing for his life, fired multiple rounds from his gun striking the unknown male assailant. Ever diligent, paramedics did attempt to save the suspect’s life, but he was pronounced dead at the scene, with no other injuries to report.
Carrying a firearm is a huge responsibility, one that we hope to never unholster. Being prepared and well-trained is a great idea, especially if you live in or around big cities, where violent crime is most prevalent. While an induced dirt nap can be unfortunate, for our shooter it is a fact that means he is still with us today to live his life and pursue his goals, quite how the Founding Fathers meant things to be.
I hope the man felt really stupid as he was dying and that he had a few minutes to think it over.
The perp played that ever popular Tic-Tock urban “sidewalk temperature challenge” game.
A phone and a wallet. The assailant clearly did not value his own life much.
A happy ending. Why do these idiotic urban hoods want to steal a cell phones? They flash mob an Apple store to steal fax display phones,
Get the goon a full-zippered sleep sack and some toe jewelry.
Funny thing, as more and more people start taking agency for their own personal safety, these kinds of stories will go down, not up.
That old adage is as true as ever, “An armed society is a polite society”.
People wont go for “Wallet and Phones” from random people nearly as often as they discover that the odds to being able to face an unarmed victim drops.
I totally disagree. There will always be scumbags that believe they are bad enough to victimize innocent citizens and there will also always be anti gun unarmed citizens to fill the void..
I disagree. There will always be criminals who believe they are tough enough to attack innocent people and there will always be anti gun sheeple who don’t believe in defending themselves. The Rub for the criminals is taking the chance they have picked the right victim.
Now, see, this is the sort of thing that makes us lose public support for the Second Amendment.
First – the incident did not happen, as it was not on video from start to finish; no video, didn’t happen. Even with video, AI makes it impossible to prove “live or memorex”.
Second- while a person has every natural, civil and human right to walk wherever, or whenever, the shooter should have been at home, and not on the street. If not on the street, both individuals would be alive today. In truth, nobody has no business walking around at 4AM, in any city. The shooter has an obligation to society to not do things that could possible result in a crime. It is settled science.
Third – the shooter should be investigated for not using de-escalation methods to disuade the victim, and resolve the incident amicably.
Fourth – by being on the street at 4AM, and armed with a gun means the shooter was just looking for an excuse to shoot someone, probably with cop killer ammunition.
5 – In every defensive shooting, there is a chain of events, that if interupted at any point, prevents the shooting. It was/is up to the shooter to not set things in motion in the first place. Indeed, the shooter used disproportional force in that simply walking away would have broken the chain of events.
6 – Orange Man bad.
what ‘shooter’?
There was a criminal and a victim. Victim defended against criminal – victim gets to go home, criminal gets to go to the grave – end of story.
“There was a criminal and a victim. Victim defended against criminal.”
There was a shooter, and the victim of the shot.
(Seriously, guys, don’t overthink this one; the clues are all there)
The criminal was NOT the victim. Stop making victims out of criminals. He had the choice to NOT try to hold up the victim. He made the wrong choice. Too bad, so sad, one less criminal in the world and one more victim that survives an attack and gets to go home. I wonder if the criminal was an ILLEGAL ALIEN? If so, he shouldn’t have been there in the first place, and he might still be alive. TRUMP 2024. FKH, FTW, FGN, FBHO, FHRC, FJB
You had some serious sarc points building there, Sam. Well done. Me, I would have left #6 out, and let ’em wonder, but my wife says I’m pretty mean when it comes to this kind of humor. Got the dented skillets to prove it…
Does that mean you are a metalhead? \m/,
“You had some serious sarc points building there, Sam.”
It is a bit disconcerting at how it becomes easier and easier to do.
And condolences on the assorted skillet dents.
Not so Sam.
The victim of the crime was the crime victim.
The criminal committing the crime was the crime criminal.
To imply or state the criminal was a victim because he got shot does not make the crime victim a ‘shooter’ and only makes them the crime victim who defended against the crime, if you will, the ‘victim defender’ and not a ‘shooter’.
Every time we in the gun community, or those in the media, call the valid legally acting ‘victim defender’ the ‘shooter’ it just reinforces this false concept of ‘gun violence’. Violence happens by people not by the ability to have an ‘object’ – its ‘people violence’ not ‘gun violence’. That choice for violence can be either wilful or forced. The criminal commits wilful violence, a defender is forced to violence by the criminals choice to victimize them.
If the defender used his hands to strike the criminal resulting in the criminals death, would you call the defender a ‘beater’ and the criminal a victim of a beater?
There was a criminal and a victim. Victim defended against criminal. That’s it plain and simple. There was no ‘shooter’ against criminal. The criminal is not the victim of a shooting or the victim of the defender and can’t be logic-grammatically or logically or legally. The criminal may be a victim of his own choice to commit a crime, but the defender was victimized by that choice and became the actual effectual victim of the criminals choice.
This thing of calling a valid legally acting defender the ‘shooter’ is ridiculous.
Its like the term ‘gun violence’. If a person is beaten to death with a blunt object, do we call it “blunt object violence” ? No, we call it a beating death or something similar.
If a domestic violence victim, in valid legal defense, shoots the abusing party (e.g. domestic violence assault is a crime) killing them, we call them “domestic violence survivors” and ‘victims of domestic violence’ and the abusing party the ‘criminal’ or ‘abuser’.
There is victim of a crime and the perpetrator of the crime, there is defender against the perpetrator of the crime, there is victim of the crime act and criminal perpetrating that crime upon the victim, the only one effectually victimized was the target of the crime and defending against that crime criminal is simply ‘defense’ no matter what was used to defend. There is no ‘shooter’ defender here, there was only defender who shot the criminal in defense and the criminal is not a victim of a ‘shooter’ but rather the victim of his own choices to commit the crime.
We need to start treating criminals like criminals instead of ‘victims’ of those upon who they perpetrate their crimes and defend against them. We don’t need to be calling the victims of these criminals a ‘perpetrator’ of an act that caused the criminals death to try to imply the criminal was a ‘victim’ of that legal valid defense act.
The defender is not a ‘shooter’, they are the victim. There was a criminal and a victim. Victim defended against criminal – victim gets to go home, criminal gets to go to the grave – end of story.
All that over a spoof?
Besides/and who NEEDS to be out walking at 4 A M?
Never had to get to work early by public transport to support customers in other parts of the world in different time zones?
You wouldn’t be related to Son of Sam would you? Son Of Sam bad!
You’re a moron. And probably never worked a day in your life. Lots of people are up and starting work at 4am. Lots of people wake up and go jogging or walk their dogs at 4am. Lots of people are coming home from work at 4am.
#10,552 on the list of people who didn’t get Sam’s humor.
I’ve got a hurricane knockin’ at my door. Can somebody else explain it to this guy?
“Lots of people are up and starting work at 4am. Lots of people wake up and go jogging or walk their dogs at 4am. Lots of people are coming home from work at 4am.”
Lotsa people jump off buildings and bridges; doesn’t make it right.
24/7 town silly Sam…yup, people here are up and about at all hours of the day so deal with it. 2nd Amendment FOREVER 🔥
unless a person has documentation to verify their reason for being on the streets after 24:00 no one should be out walking
late night muggings are extremely rare in a well controlled and disciplined society
it appears to me the freedom american citizens cherish revolves around violence
Freedom is messy and dangerous. I’ll take it over peaceful slavery any day of the week.
There are many many people in America who work late/night shifts and are going home at that time. In so doing, they are targeted primarily because there are few if any witnesses around at that time of night. They have the right to defend themselves from criminals, and our legal system does not require them to “show their papers” because of the hour; they do not have to explain themselves at all absent circumstances indicating their involvement in a crime.
‘Well controlled and disciplined’. They had that in Germany from 1933 to 1945.
“the freedom American citizens cherish revolves around violence” (a feature not a bug) “violence” is such a limp wristed beta pansy word/why leftist love to use it.
We have a couple centuries of success (ignoring the negative influence of the Baby Boomers) to illustrate that we have been on the right path.
American is ALWAYS capitalized you euro troll.
We need more gun porn detail in these stories. What caliber were the firearms?? What model? Distance to perp? How many shots?
Where in the body did the shots connect?
Which shot was the cause of death and how long did it take for heartbeat to stop?
How much blood was scraped up off the street?
These are important questions and we have a right to know.
Possum would have been pissed. Another body the cops got.
Oh yeah. We osprey like our prey alive. Except when it’s a fish fliping-and-flopping while in our talons. It’s kind of rough taking ’em back to the nest when they’re struggling for dear life.
Git your dirty hands off my dead guy!
Hilarious. I miss him.
Wonder why TTAG took the Gov DeSantis story down:
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/desantis-warns-looters-you-dont-know-whats-behind-that-door-in-a-second-amendment-state/
We didn’t…link still works for me.
It would be nice to know the history of the perp.
“cooperative with authorities” should only be up to a point. Then you talk to an attorney. Some of us live in a county with a Soros DA that’s looking to hang a 2A supporter that just disenfranchised one of his voters.
The Federal Government should provide a $50,000 Bounty to anyone who takes out an armed robber permanently.
Is it bad I would be happy with reimbursement of legal defense on confirmation of perps menace to society status and justified shoot?
We just love a happy ending to a story as this. Make bad choices and enjoy your dirt nap; !
the gun did it! perp 0, victim 1.
Why would you even allow this “sam I am” guy’s remark to be shown? Why would he even want to be on this site? Is this really sarc? Seems he went to a lot of serious trouble to make a really stupid point. I mean of course we have the right to take a walk any time, day or night, and to be prepared for any situation. Me I like to take a fart walk (that’s an hour or so after diner burn up a few calories stroll) any time between say 9 and 10 PM and since we live in the mountains I carry not just one but three means of self protection. Not just for the four legged predators. Hey you never know.
New here?
Most violent criminals are black, yet they are only 13% of the population.
Yes, Sam I Am is funny…but where is the Possum?
Getting names mixed up in responses?
So he’s not serious. Doesn’t sound like it to me. Anyway I don’t think he’s funny. Now Possum is funny.
“So he’s not serious. Doesn’t sound like it to me. Anyway I don’t think he’s funny. Now Possum is funny.”
He (Sam I Am) is never really sure whether he is serious or not; occupational hazard. However, Sam enjoys ridiculing the anti-gun mafia, and Dimwitocrats. It is a take on Alinsky’s Rule 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.”
Sam is also iconoclastic when it comes to knee-jerk reactions, and mindless echo chambers.
Sam is a 1A and 2A absolutist; no patience with people who want to boot anyone off the island of TTAG.
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