ATF Creates New Department Specifically for NFA Processing

1. The ATF is currently pissing their pants over the possibility of being downsized/abolished. They are trying everything they can to make voters happy. My suggestion, fuck em. Don’t give them an inch and keep pushing until both the NFA and ATF are abolished.

   • Exactly. Now that the HPA is on the board, they want to help? No bueno. We’ll take the HPA, thank you very much.

     • If the HPA actually makes it to a vote and gets passed.

2. Too little, too late. They’re trying to stave off the need for the HPA to keep their jobs and the money flowing. Too bad we’re so tired of their BS that were just going to legislate away their jobs.

   • Anyone hear when the HPA’s next step is supposed to take place? It’s time to get that thing through the house.

     Anything that downsized the atf would make it easier to get rid of them entirely.

   • The ATF does not keep the $200 tax from NFA items. If the HPA passes they would literally have no revenue change. In a recently leaked white paper which was published on the site the ATF even said supresors don’t need to be NFA items.

     • That’s not quite true Chris, but if they are no longer processing suppressors, that does reduce the amount of work, and possibly the number of positions they can justify, which could lead to reduced funding.

       That said, most likely you are right and the reduced load from no suppressor processing might just go to speed up other things like SBRs and SBSs, etc.

   • The HPA has a very slim chance of making it through this year. I have hopes, but after doing some research into it I do not have high hopes. That said, I doubt the ATF is going to take notice of the HPA until/unless it eventually becomes law.

3. Or we just continue to work to dismantle the NFA and the horrible bureaucracy it has spawned… still, streamlining the process is always a plus.

4. As with most things that the government says, I will maintain a degree of healthy skepticism until results begin to appear.

5. What could possibly go wrong?

   This is a false flag, if they were serious about it, it would have been done years ago.

   Trying to look good for Trump.

   • Absolutely.

     This is entrenchment. With the possibility of some of some of their responsibilities going away (HPA), establishing a new branch 1) increases size which makes it more difficult to go away, 2) provides faster service which cuts down on complaints, 3) shows that they are responsive to needs, etc.

     This is bureaucrats trying to keep part of a bureaucracy alive.

6. Repeal the NFA, issue layoffs, done.

7. 90% of the delay is attributable to BATF regulations, policies, and procedures that ARE NOT REQUIRED BY STATUTE.

   Instead they are the result of 70 years of deliberate, deep state, harassment by the Staff at the Bureau. The new Trump-appointed Director can within a month:
   (1) directly repeal all the policies and procedures NOT required by law and
   (2) commence the process of repealing the host of agency Regulations that exceed the requirements of the statute.

   • Theoretically, it could all be done faster. In practice it would take longer. The point remains that 90% of all our laws are regulations that any administration could just get rid of.

8. When they get wait times for complete paperwork and stamp returns at or under 72hrs, we’ll talk. Speaking of, is this not a NICS check basically? Can’t we play the 72hr hold game with this as well?

   • 72 hr hold. ?

     Ya, they can raise an objection 72 hours after you leave the GS. If you’re not there when they call back, oops.

9. This is great news!

   Another element of government bureaucracy to smooth the handling of our basic right to bear arms that shall not be infringed upon….

   Is the /sarcasm, identifier even needed?

10. Ask any bureaucrat, the answer to bureaucracy is more bureaucracy.

11. “Positive step”

    Another asshat that is more a part of the problem than solution.

12. https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/remove-requirement-submit-atf-form-53202-travelling-short-barreled-riflesshotguns

    I’m just gonna leave this here. Can we get some shares on it?

13. I remember Obama saying he was going to hire people to do stuff like this, i wonder if this was something set in motion by him or not? and i mean ACTUALLY KNOW not just spout off some conjecture about whether its true or not.

    • Obama would never do anything to assist folks in getting their firearm/accessory quicker.
      Speed up getting an Obamaphone, SSI, Welfare Check, Foodstamp, sure — a Firearm, never.

      • This exactly ^

        You beat me to it

14. So instead of getting rid of their useless and oppressive work they figure out a way to do it with more tax dollars… Yep sounds like the f#$kin feds at work. Shall not be infringed and by the people, for the people pretty much sums up why the atf agents should pound sand. Oh and thanks for waco you human slime.

15. Processing times are about to go way down once they’re through the July rule change surge.

    Time for me to buy a rimfire can.

16. Wasn’t this actually due to spiking processing times for *government* and LEO transfers, caused of course by the influx of Form 1/4 submissions by us peons? Figures when Uncle Sam starts feeling the pinch, the government magically parts like the Black Sea, while us tax-payers continue to suffer a ridiculously antiquated and inefficient paper-based scheme in this year of our lord 2017.

    All the government branch split accomplishes is moving government transfers to the front of the line. OUR line.

17. I have another reasonable improvement that would would greatly improve administrative ease and processing time: If a person already owns a suppressor, automatically and immediately approve any subsequent suppressor purchases.

    It makes absolutely no sense that I had to wait over 9 months to receive my most recent can, when I already own multiple other suppressors.

    Of course, who said that anything in the bureaucracy ever made sense?

18. Great. A whole unconstitutionally infringing bureaucracy is getting more efficient at infringement.
    The NFA came about because the federal government of the 30’s knew it couldn’t ban these items because the courts wouldn’t allow it. The get around was to use the taxing power of Congress to make the items the gov didn’t want people to easily get. So they put a tax on the items and you had to buy a stamp for $200.
    Ok, that I don’t like but it at least is somewhat constitutional. However waiting up to a year to take possession of one of these items AFTER the tax has been paid is unacceptable and I believe unconstitutional. If they can clear a firearm purchase in under 10 seconds (early morning it’s common) why can’t the same be done for anything on the NFA list?
    Why isn’t it possible to go online and fill out the NFA paperwork, get instant background run through NICS, pay $200 tax, take item home from shop or build your item?
    This could be set up in a month if it’s something the feds really wanted to improve.

    • Star Tribune v. Commissioner. Taxes on an item tied to a fundamental right are unconstitutional. In Star Tribune the court found that taxes on newspaper ink were unconstitutional.

      • Special taxes on such an item are illegal. A sales tax applied equally to all items would not be illegal when applied to the constitutionally protected item.

19. Is that…? no, it couldn’t be….

    That’s not the branch leaders’ Social Security numbers in the memo above, is it? Didn’t think they would be so public with ostensibly “private” identification!

    • That’s what i wondered too…
      Is it? Really?

    • It’s a friggin phone number. Grow up.

      • OK, I was tired when I read/posted that, so I didn’t notice the extra number. Today it seems obvious.

        But as far as your “grow up” comment, ‘Poots in the Maytag’? Bite me! That was totally uncalled for, jerk. What, you’ve never made a simple mistake?

    • Those look like phone numbers. Area Code 304 is in West Virginia.

20. Only a government bureaucracy would look at a simple understaffing problem and conclude the solution is to create a completely different and new bureaucratic division. I’m pretty sure that the problem with NFA wait times isn’t that there aren’t enough bureaucrats and middle managers overseeing the two dozen people who actually process the paperwork…

21. My question is this, if the sales of suppressors are down to a trickle why are the NFA wait times still at 10 months or more?

    • Cause they’re not through the July rulechange backlog. Request volume was huge leading up to last July so everyone could get their paperwork in before the requirement for photos/fingerprints for all trustees.

22. with wait times coming close to a year now it’s clear this didn’t work.
    What’s plan B

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