Joe Biden
(AP Photo/Andrew Harnik)

“Out of the heartbreak of Parkland a new generation of Americans all across the country marched for our lives and towards a better, safer America for us all.” Someone in the White House who still has full command of the English language penned that line as part of a statement to be issued on the fourth anniversary of the Parkland shooting.

“Together, this extraordinary movement is making sure that the voices of victims and survivors and responsible gun owners are louder than the voices of gun manufacturers and the National Rifle Association.”

Exactly. Biden’s statement ticks all the boxes so he can say he made a strong stand for gun control to placate the civilian disarmament constituency that’s become an important part of the Democrats’ base. The only surprise is a lack of any mention of white supremacy or domestic terrorism.

As the AP reports . . .

Biden said he’s asked members of Congress to provide funding to help reduce violent crime and said they must pass legislation requiring background checks on all gun sales, banning assault weapons and high-capacity magazines and eliminating immunity for gun manufacturers.

“We can never bring back those we’ve lost,” Biden said. “But we can come together to fulfill the first responsibility of our government and our democracy: to keep each other safe. For Parkland, for all those we’ve lost, and for all those left behind, it is time to uphold that solemn obligation.”

Conveniently left out of the White House’s statement, of course, is a recounting of all of the failures of existing gun control laws and government officials at almost every level that resulted in Nikolas Cruz murdering 17 people four years ago. There were the ignored FBI reports. The literally dozens of interactions with local police, none of which resulted in the murderer’s arrest or conviction.

There was the school district’s willingness to keep a violent, unstable kid in school despite dozens of red flags like fights, threats of rape and murder, bringing knives to school, and banning him from bringing a backpack into any Broward County school (that went well, didn’t it?).

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Nikolas Cruz (Amy Beth Bennett/South Florida Sun-Sentinel via AP, Pool)

And then there was this guy . . .

Scot Peterson Parkland broward coward
This Feb. 14, 2018 frame from security video provided by the Broward County Sheriff’s Office shows deputy Scot Peterson, right, outside Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla. The video released Thursday, March 15, shows Peterson going toward the high school building while a gunman massacred 17 students and staff members, but stayed outside with his handgun drawn. (Courtesy of the Broward County Sheriff’s Office via AP)

When all of the other system failures eventually led to a shooting inside Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, this armed individual on duty stood by and listened why seventeen people were murdered and fourteen more were wounded that day.

In other words, gun control laws and government functionaries failed in almost every possible way to stop the Parkland shooting.

I’ve asked Congress to pass a budget that provides an additional half billion dollars for proven strategies we know reduce violent crime — accountable community policing and community violence interventions. I have also requested increased funding for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and the U.S. Marshals. And Congress must do much more — beginning with requiring background checks on all gun sales, banning assault weapons and high-capacity magazines, and eliminating immunity for gun manufacturers.

All the same garbage regurgitated in all the same ways by the White House. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Give the old guy another pudding cup.

On this anniversary, during which the gun  control industry takes such pleasure in dancing in the blood of the dead, the President will just have to forgive the rest of us who look at what actually happened in Broward County that day and fail to conclude that the solution is still more government and more restrictions on Americans’ ability to arm and protect themselves.

 

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    • There is not one documented case where a “gun free” zone warning or sign or law stopped a mass shooter, or any criminal, with a gun from entering a “gun free” zone.

      There is not one documented case where a “gun free” zone warning or sign or law stopped an in-progress crime.

      There is not one documented case where a “gun free” zone warning or sign or law stopped injury or death to the victim of an in-progress crime.

      For some reason the government and law thinks mass shooters are something like vampires and can be repelled with a “gun free” zone sign. Surely the criminal or mass shooter starts to enter the area and sees a sign that says “no guns” or “Gun Free Zone” or something similar and they run away in fear of the sign. That happens, right?

  2. He wants to take away all of our guns? All 400+ million of them? That’s going to take a lot of semi-trucks to transport those confiscated firearms to Washington D.C.

  3. Government officials and the Parkland school district murdered 17 children because they didn’t want to admit there was a serious problem. I wonder how Peterson sleeps at night. It’s a good thing they told that soulless bastard he couldn’t bring a backpack onto school grounds.

    • Meanwhile four years later they haven’t even punished the criminal who committed the crime, probably wouldn’t even have completed his trial to convict him yet if he hadn’t plead guilty in October. Though Florida republicrats like gov/senator Rick Scott and (then and many still current) Republican leadership were quick to punish lawful Florida gun owners with bump stock bans, age restrictions, increased waiting periods, and red flag laws that confiscate guns from law abiding Floridians who haven’t been convicted of a crime. Don’t forget Florida Republican leadership even tried to pass a two year AR-15 sale moratorium using a voice vote.

      I am a gun owner, I support gun rights, support gun manufacturers, I want less or no restrictions on my rights to buy, make, sell, build, or acquire guns, and I also want kids to be safe at school, at home, and in society. But I still recognize that no amount of wishful thinking or legislation will make anyone safe, even with best intentions. And true freedom should never be sacrificed on the altar of a desire for public safety.

      So Mr. President’s handlers, in honor of freedom I will buy a high capacity magazine today. Because I want to. And I can. And Magpul sent me a discount code. Happy Valentine’s Day!

      • RINO’S are an insidious group. I hate them at the same level as I hate Democrats. I hope all are annihilated this November. Constitutional carry for all 50 states is the only answer. Although I like Desantis it doesn’t look like he and the repubs are doing much for gun owners when they have the numbers.

        • A lot of the RINO silent treatment can be traced to bigots who permeate forums supposedly dedicated to The Second Amendment.

          Visitors are fast to size up gun owners when they see people concerned with what skin color that may or may not be accountable for most murders or they see people tripping over each other to be the first to guess what color the perp is that made the headlines, etc. How does such off topic rhetoric protect the 2A while it’s sitting on the chopping block and how does it make gun owners look?

          The 2A is always under the microscope while Gun Control sits on the sidelines enjoying the show. And whose fault is it that Gun Control never breaks a sweat? That would be the gun owners who run around chasing holes in every accusation the Gun Control crowd makes while Gun Control and its diabolical history of rot skates by without a scratch.

          Until The 2A is removed from living under the microscope and Gun Control is placed under the microscope and its diabolical history of racism and genocide defines Gun Control it is going to be business as usual.

  4. According to its history…Until Gun Control is Abolished in America a part of slavery, racism and genocide lives on.

  5. Ummm…that Cruz monster ain’t white. And most murder is committed by non-whites. So slow Joe better shut the f up!

    • Ah but remember treyvon martin? When the term “white hispanic” was trotted out nationally be the leftards.

    • Read that Zero Hedge story early this morning. Agree on its significance.

      Invoking the Emergency Powers Act is the signal that Trudeau is done, on the way out. Will not last the year.

    • Its interesting that the Far Right Fanatics scream from the roof tops about white truckers being not allowed to protest and cause an economic crisis on both sides of the border when they are arrested by the cops but then these same Far Right Racists Hypocrites scream that people protesting cop murders of Black people should not be allowed the same Constitutional rights.

      • Hmm. I note that I never moved from my position. Instead, you moved to the left so much that from your POV you see me as “far right”.

        But I never moved.

      • The fact that you say “white truckers” and “Far Right Racists Hypocrites” shows just what a racist you are. People have the right to protest perceived cop murders of Black people all they want. Unfortunately it seems they can’t do it without burning and looting and committing murder themselves.

        • Except you Dotard the riots in Portland were proven to have been started and carried out by the “Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers” to lay blame on the people protesting cop murders. Do you only watch propaganda programs like Fox News and not accredited news programs??????

        • dacian the stupid,

          CITATION, f***tard?????

          Take your lies, and hie thyself off to the theological place of eternal punishment. You are too stupid to insult.

        • Yes the nut cases on Fox News claimed that along with promoting horse medicine to cure Covid. They only are followed by the ignorant and the unwashed.

      • darcydodo…Do you see Truckers outside your home or your clown business smashing windows, burning, looting and assaulting people?

        What happens if one of the Truckers gets shot by a marxist cop? Are you going to show up holding a Defund The Police cardboard sign? Only fitting for a slanderous, libelous twit like you who ran around proposing Defunding The Police at the drop of a hat.

        The pos who created the Trucker Uproar is the little busy body marxist punk running canada into the ground.

        • to Deb

          They were caught yesterday with weapons and thousands of rounds of ammunition. If they had not been arrested there could have been mass murder.

      • Those protesters are not interested in saving black lives. They want the cops gone. The cops are the bad guys to them. The police wouldn’t even be a factor if they were interested in saving black lives.

      • No, dacian the stupid, you f***ing idiot, NO ONE is objecting to people protesting. Arson, assault, battery, theft, etc. are NOT “protesting” you absolute s***head! Take your “fiery but mostly peaceful” protests and put ’em where the sun don’t shine.

        You are too stupid to insult. Go micturate up a cable.

      • I guess dacian’s care takers sent him to bed early and he didn’t see the “mostly peaceful” protesters looting and burning cities.

  7. What an exercise in verbal masturbation. Sure, Joe, more useless gun laws layered on top of previously passed useless gun laws…yeah, that’s the solution!

    FJB

  9. These New World Order maniacs want to re-make the world in their own image and likeness. That means disarming those of us who prefer to maintain to God’s image and likeness. Disarm, then control, then destroy.

    Most of us, out here, are just doing the hokey-pokey, taking care of our families and friends, trying to enjoy each day, earning a living. We have no interest in running other folk’s lives, but if they come for ours, well….our temperment may change. In the meantime….

    You put your right foot in
    You put your right foot out
    You put your right foot in and you shake it all about
    You do the hokey pokey and you turn yourself around
    That’s what it’s all about!!

    You put your left foot in
    You put your left foot out
    You put your left foot in and you shake it all about
    You do the hokey pokey and you turn yourself around
    That’s what it’s all about!!

      • Be interesting to see which happened first – Gropey Joe, the serial child molester tripping and falling on his @$$, or Gropey Joe losing count and standing there befuddled saying “What was I doing??”.

        Biden, like dacian the stupid, is too stupid, senile, and incompetent to insult.

  10. “But we can come together…”

    This is an example of how Progressives try to manipulate people emotionally to support their goals. People have a deep and inherent need to be part of a large and homogeneous family and community. Progressives know that and are forever appealing to the masses to join them and “come together”. (Ooh, my toes are tingling just thinking about it!) Progressives also use that to coerce the masses to join them, playing on people’s fears of being an “outsider” if they fail to join.

    “…the first responsibility of our government and our democracy: to keep each other safe.”

    That claim is wrong on both a factual and practical level. On a factual level government’s responsibility to is ensure our liberty, not our safety, since liberty includes the free choice to do something that is inherently unsafe (such as skydiving for just one of countless examples). On a practical level “safety” is totally arbitrary and a “blank check” which government can infinitely exploit to abuse/violate our rights.

    The proper RIGHTEOUS role of government is national defense (defending against foreign attacks) and punishing evil-doers who harm our fellow citizens.

    • 2:19 p.m.: Cruz arrived at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School via an Uber. He had all his gear with him packed away.

      2:21 p.m. Cruz entered Building 12. As he was entering a school staff member who had been previously warned that he was a threat to students and knew he should not be there saw him and did nothing to challenge him or raise the alarm. Instead the school staff member let him proceed to roam freely.

      After being seen by the staff member, Cruz enters a stairwell and begins unpacking his gear. While unpacking his gear in the stairwell Cruz is encountered by another student who sees the gun and gear and Cruz basically told him something bad was going to happen and to get out. The student found a coach and reported it to him, the coach led the student away to another area and turned to look back at the school but did not sound the alarm despite the coach also being a ‘school safety/security’ person with this as one of his primary tasks in that position.

      The shooting started, and for the first three minutes of the attack no alarm was raised (except for the student). During this time Cruz was able to kill 11 and wound 13.

      2:22 p.m.: The school’s fire alarm goes off, prompting students to begin evacuating. This is also when the first 911 call went out. Students think this is a fire drill because no warnings were announced so don’t take it too seriously but evacuation does begin in a “Oh no, not another fire drill” way. Students on the upper floors haven’t heard the weapons fire from the lower floors loud enough to think it was anything important. Until this point the only alarm that has been raised was by the student that encountered Cruz in the stairwell, the students report was basically ignored by the coach.

      2:23 p.m.: The school resource officer, Deputy Scot Peterson, issues a radio alert warning of shots fired. “Be advised we have possible — could be firecrackers. I think we have shots fired, possible shots fired, 1200 building,” he said. Peterson goes to the southeast corner of Building 12, where he remained for the duration of the incident never entering the building in an attempt to locate and stop Cruz.

      2:28 p.m.: Cruz exits the school and runs toward the tennis courts and heads south. He blends into a crowd of students as they flee the campus. He goes to Walmart, then gets a drink at the Subway inside Walmart then is on to his way to McDonalds.

      3:01 p.m.: Cruz goes to a McDonald’s restaurant, sits down for a bit, then leaves.

      Cruz has been on foot, then…

      3:41 p.m.: An officer with the Coconut Creek Police Department spots Cruz in a nearby neighborhood and arrests him.

      The actual time for the victims to get shot was four minutes, the total rampage was about six minutes (he spent time shooting down empty hallways and through doors but not hitting anyone – in the teachers lounge on the third floor he was foiled some from shooting students running away outside by the hurricane proof windows in the lounge), and at about seven minutes after entering the school he ditches the gun in a stairwell and departs the school at 2:28 p.m to blend in with those fleeing. For the first three minutes no one did anything to raise the alarm despite knowing Cruz was there, except for a lone student who encountered Cruz and was basically ignored when he reported it.

  11. The entire case shows failures at all levels of government.

    1. Failure to get a troubled teen mental help.

    2. Lack of access to a persons mental health records by the Brady check system let Cruz pass the background check.

    3. Failure of the Parent he was staying with to keep his gun under lock and key (Cruz was given a key to the safe)

    4. Failure of the FBI to arrest Cruz when he was turned in by a fellow classmate with more than enough proof to have him locked up and committed to a mental institution.

    5. Failure by a coward Cop who hid behind a car and let Cruz kill all the students he wanted to.

    6. Failure of the Government to re-classify assault weapons as NFA weapons which would never have allowed Cruz to buy one because of their in depth vetting procedures.

    • There were no assault weapons involved in his assault on that school.

      Most of what your talking about is a result of liberal progressivism.

      • “There were no assault weapons involved in his assault on that school”

        So the weapon wasn’t an assault weapon even though it was a weapon used in an assault…. that makes a lot of sense…

        To most citizens, that’s a distinction without a difference.

        • I wonder, miner, if you realize that socialism would likely succeed in the winning the hearts and minds of Americans if you guys would back off the gun control?

          Or do you already know and just don’t care? Your side is doomed to lose based on one plank in the party platform. All done because of that.

        • @Miner49er

          a car rams into a crowd of people, is it then an “assault weapon” or is it a vehicle used in an assault. I tend to think this is a distinction you do not understand.

        • No, MinorIQ, it’s a distinction that makes a material difference to millions of law-abiding citizens who are subject to daily campaigns by a Leftist/fascist government to take away their civil rights . . . but you applaud that, because you, too, are a Leftist/fascist.

          Nice to know that you’re thinking beyond an idiotic, fascist “assault weapons” ban to your next fascist overreach. Banning all semi-auto firearms?? Banning anything but 6 shot revolvers and 5 shot bolt action rifles??

          Scratch a Leftist, find a fascist.

          Go ahead, MinorIQ, see if any of the rest of us give a s***. You and your fellow travelers are going to keep pushing your authoritarian BS. Take care that you don’t push it to far – that rubber band might snap back and do some damage.

          You and dacian the stupid obviously hate this country, our system of Constitutional checks and balances, our ORIGINAL founding principles of individual liberty and limited government. Cool. Move to Cuba or Venezuela and join your comrades. You will NOT be missed.

          And you are now officially too stupid to insult.

    • Gee, that’s interesting, dacian the stupid,

      You give a laundry list of ways the government effed up, and your solution is . . . more government.

      You continue to be too stupid to insult.

      • To the Demented Clown of this forum “The Lamp that went out of his head”.

        The guy who claims 4 law degrees and the author of dozens of books, none of which he can remember the titles too.

        quote——–You continue to be too stupid to insult.——–quote

        You are to stupid to even communicate with.

        You ignored the post in its entirety and cherry picked it as usual.

        • So, dacian the stupid, is it that you are illiterate, or is it that you are an inveterate liar? Ah, but I should embrace the healing power of “and”.

          NO, you flipping illiterate MORON, I never claimed four law degrees. I HAVE one law degree (briefly considered pursuing an LLM in tax but never followed through). I have an MBA – ever heard of one of those, you ignorant lout???

          Now, as to the rest of your incoherent word vomit, you did IN FACT, list multiple f***-ups by government, and . . . suggested more government. If you are too stupid to even recognize the gravamen of your witless rant, that is not MY problem, that is your lack of cognitive function.

          You remain too stupid to insult. I remain your intellectual and moral superior. Go micturate up a cable, fool.

      • And Lamp the angry wife beater and pretend attorney knows what it is to be ‘far too stupid to insult’.

        • Child, you aren’t even superior to your butt buddy, dacian the stupid.

          You are too stupid to insult. Go pound salt in your @$$.

    • dacian,

      overall false, for example:

      “Lack of access to a persons mental health records by the Brady check system let Cruz pass the background check.”

      That’s false.

      There was no mental health record in the system, period. A mental health counselor advised against involuntary committing Cruz, so he was not committed thus no record. An investigator for the Florida Department of Children and Families ruled Cruz as stable thus no record. Minors, and people, in Florida don’t have mental health treatment records established if they are not committed and are ruled stable. There was no record that could have been accessed, there was not a lack of access.

      “Failure of the Parent he was staying with to keep his gun under lock and key (Cruz was given a key to the safe)”

      That’s false.

      The “parents” did keep the gun under lock and key, they did not give Cruz a key. Cruz had his own key the “parents” didn’t know about.

      “Failure of the FBI to arrest Cruz when he was turned in by a fellow classmate with more than enough proof to have him locked up and committed to a mental institution.”

      That’s false.

      Although the FBI did not arrest Cruz, there was actually nothing they could arrest for. There was nothing done prior the shootings that would have qualified for arrest under federal law, investigation maybe, but not arrest. This fellow classmate you claim, didn’t present any proof enough to substantiate arrest to the FBI and it was hearsay which is not evidence or proof of wrong doing.

      “Failure by a coward Cop who hid behind a car and let Cruz kill all the students he wanted to.”

      That’s false.

      He didn’t hide behind a car, he went to the corner of the building and stood there.

      “Failure of the Government to re-classify assault weapons as NFA weapons which would never have allowed Cruz to buy one because of their in depth vetting procedures.”

      That’s false.

      It wasn’t an assault weapon. It was a standard semi-auto commercially available rifle. Such is not qualified as an “assault rifle”, and can not be qualified as an “assault rifle” under standard testing for such things as tested for suitability as an assault weapon by the U.S. Government.

      An NFA background check for an individual is basically no different from the background check used for purchase of non-NFA firearms, its not any more indepth. Its just different paperwork and a fee of $200.00 for the tax stamp. If a standard background check did not catch him submitting for an NFA classed ri8fel would not have caught him either. He had no mental health record, no disqualifying arrests, hearsay is not admissible, complaints are not admissible, none of his engagement with law enforcement to that point were disqualifying.

      • .40 cal,

        Nice try, but you’re talking to a moron, with the cognitive abilities of your average planaria. dacian knows he hates “Capitalvania” (what a ridiculously stupid attempt at wit!!), and that is literally ALL he knows, and all he will ever know. And if pressed, his only justification is to spew a litany of Leftist/fascist lies, and then lie about how “educated” he is.

        dacian is a pathetic, ignorant, uneducated, deluded, feckless fool, who would be more to be pitied than mocked . . . if he would shut his filthy piehole and go away. Since he insists on coming here and showing his @$$ on the daily, well . . . I’m going to keep mocking his stupidity.

        • Lol. What a complete loser Lamp the convicted domestic abuser is. He’s a prohibited person based on his proclivity for violence against women. Take this ‘man’ seriously at your peril. GTFP the drug
          Addicted mind corpse can eat a fat one, too.

        • Hey, nameless, brainless troll,

          Have your gotten that GED, yet??? Figure out Balaam’s off ass? No, because you are a brainless, witless, incompetent, uneducated clown.

          You are too stupid to insult. Go pound salt in your @$$.

      • To Booger Brain

        quote————The “parents” did keep the gun under lock and key, they did not give Cruz a key. Cruz had his own key the “parents” didn’t know about.————-quote

        False it was proven he was given a key by the parents with the understanding he would not take the gun out without their permission.

        quote————Although the FBI did not arrest Cruz, there was actually nothing they could arrest for. There was nothing done prior the shootings that would have qualified for arrest under federal law, investigation maybe, but not arrest. This fellow classmate you claim, didn’t present any proof enough to substantiate arrest to the FBI and it was hearsay which is not evidence or proof of wrong doing.————–quote

        More of your complete bullshit.

        Cruz had a mental health record and arrest record a mile long easily accessible by law enforcement and would have been accessible by the much more through NFA background check which can take months and often does.

        Also law enforcement has arrested people and jailed them for only posting a few lines of threats on social media. They did not do this with Cruz even after his classmate revealed numerous threats and racist ranting’s by Cruz.

        Psychiatrists recommended an involuntary admission of Cruz to a residential treatment facility, starting in 2013.[97] The Florida Department of Children and Families investigated him in September 2016 for Snapchat posts in which he cut both his arms and said he planned to buy a gun. At this time, a school resource officer suggested[98] he undergo an involuntary psychiatric examination under the provisions of the Baker Act. Two guidance counselors agreed, but a mental institution did not.[99] State investigators reported he had depression, autism, and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD). In their assessment, they concluded he was “at low risk of harming himself or others.”[100] He had previously received mental health treatment, but had not received treatment in the year leading up to the shooting.[91]

        Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel described Cruz’s online profiles and accounts as “very, very disturbing.”[91] They contained pictures and posts of him with a variety of weapons, including long knives, a shotgun, a pistol, and a BB gun. Police said that he held “extremist” views; social media accounts that were thought to be linked to him contained anti-black and anti-Muslim slurs.[91] YouTube comments linked to him include “I wanna die Fighting [sic] killing [sic] shit ton of people,” threats against police officers and “antifa,” and intent to mimic the University of Texas tower shooting.[91][101][102] Cruz was a supporter of Donald Trump, with his personal Instagram showing him wearing a “Make America Great Again” baseball cap

        quote————It wasn’t an assault weapon. It was a standard semi-auto commercially available rifle. Such is not qualified as an “assault rifle”, and can not be qualified as an “assault rifle” under standard testing for such things as tested for suitability as an assault weapon by the U.S. Government.————–quote

        Now your twisting what I said. I recommended that the Government should have semi-auto assault rifles added to the NFA list.

        Your a laugh a minute he used an assault rifle which has come to mean a semi-auto military type weapon meant to kill large amounts of people in only seconds which is exactly what Cruz did with his assault rifle with a high capacity magazine. Quit insulting everyone with your semantic word games that are as sickening as they are laughable.

        quote————-An NFA background check for an individual is basically no different from the background check used for purchase of non-NFA firearms,————quote

        You just proved you do not know your ass from a hole in the ground as the NFA background check is not a quickie check sometimes conducted in minutes as done by the Brady Bill Check. NFA checks are in depth and take months to complete. One of the big complaints about the Brady Check is that they just do not have the time to thoroughly check people out before the gun dealer can go ahead and sell the gun even without clearance by the Brady Bill Check people when they take more than their allotted time.

        • to booger brain

          More proof Cruz had a police record a mile long

          Sheriff Scott Israel said that his office received 23 calls about Cruz during the previous decade, but this figure is in dispute. CNN used a public records request to obtain a sheriff’s office log, which showed that from 2008 to 2017, at least 45 calls were made in reference to Cruz, his brother, or the family home.[110][111] On February 5, 2016, the calls included an anonymous tip that Cruz had threatened to shoot up the school, and a tip on November 30, 2017, that he might be a “school shooter in the making” and that he collected knives and guns. On September 23, 2016, a peer counselor notified the school resource officer of his suicide attempt and intent to buy a gun; the school indicated it would do a “threat assessment

          In September 2016, three people—a sheriff’s deputy who worked as a resource officer at Stoneman Douglas, and two of the school’s counselors—stated that Cruz should be committed for mental evaluation.

        • dacian,

          you do not seem to understand, which is not abnormal for you. basically, no disqualifying record – that’s what I’m talking about.

          You can have all sorts of ‘police reports’ but having ‘police reports’ is not disqualifying for purchase of a firearm. Arrests and convictions for felonies are disqualifying and he had none of this.

          A suicide attempt is not disqualifying. I think you misunderstand the extent of mental health records and treatment.

          A person who tries to commit suicide is not considered a risk of harm to others – attempts to commit suicide are not about others, they are about the person attempting to commit suicide. This was a troubled teen, and he should have gotten help, but no one helped him and that’s sad – but a bunch of people saying this and that and generating reports and doing assessments and calling the police and generating police reports and logs, IS NOT DISQUALIFYING FOR PURCHASE AND POSSESSION OF A FIREARM – PERIOD. you need to get that through your thick head and stop it with the false premise you have that some way or another all this was disqualifying.

          Threatening to shoot up a school is not in its self an arrest’able offense if the intent AND means can’t be shown. It should be investigated yes, and no one is saying the FBI did not screw up by not doing this but at the time that you claim this supposed “evidence’ existed from all these people saying this and that there was no evidence, there was hearsay and a bunch of stuff in various reports – but no evidence that was disqualifying.

          Police service logs information is not disqualifying for purchase and possession, doesn’t matter what they say.

          It doesn’t matter how many people say he should have been committed – he wasn’t. We all think you should be committed.

          A school “threat assessment” is not disqualifying for firearms purchase.

          It doesn’t matter how many people claim he threatened to shoot up a school, it doesn’t matter how many people say he was a “school shooter in the making” – its hearsay until both actual intent and means can be put together to show a likely probability of it happening, hearsay is not arrestable, and like i said previously maybe the FBI should have investigated (to put together that actual intent AND means probability).

          It doesn’t matter what records CNN came up with… its all false in context with your stupid misunderstanding premise that this stuff was evidence disqualifying for purchase and possession of the firearm because its not. Its hits the emotional heart strings, it sensationalizes it, it adds gravity for appeal – and its designed to dupe people like you into going “OH how horrible, this is all evidence and it should have been used to stop him! Gasp, How dare they didn’t stop him. We need more gun control! More gun control would have stopped him for sure! We need to just take peoples word for it that a person is a risk, where is the Stasi and KGB when we need them?”

          For cripes sake dacian, do you have even the slightest concept of what the word liberty means? Do you have even the slightest concept of what due process means? Yet you think we should just take someones word for it, inform on others, squash the rights of everyone because some screw up. WTF is wrong with you?

          It might have been different if he was actually committed but he wasn’t – it might have been different had the FBI gone further and investigated like they should have – it might have been different if the sheriffs department had done their job and also thoroughly investigated instead of just writing up reports – it might have been different if the school had actually reported all this stuff to the FBI or the sheriffs department but they didn’t and inserted their selves into something they had no business assessing by their selves – It might have been different if an agency of the state of Florida did not say he was stable (and thus not really a risk to others) – it might have been different if a lot of things would have been done that should have been done but they weren’t done – and through all this a lot of people saying a lot of things and making notes and reports, yet none of it disqualifying for purchase and possession of a firearm because they spent time saying a lot of things and making notes and reports instead of acting.

          There was simply no substance here that was disqualifying for purchase and possession of the firearm.

          An NFA background check, the check its self, is no different from the background check for a non-NFA item. The process to get to that check is different because the process for purchase of the NFA item is different and takes longer, but the background check its self is no different. Yes, it really is a ‘quickie’ check.

    • What in the WORLD makes you think NFA checks are any different than any other checks? You are a MORON! Background checks are a hoax, and have never prevented a single crime. They may have delayed a crime or two while the criminal went elsewhere to buy a gun, but they have never prevented one because it is simply not possible, which would be obvious if you could just THINK.

  12. This was a lesson in how bad the government could fuck up and then try to deflect the blame. Lets be real here this was a failure on so many levels by so many agencies to actually take care of this guy with avenues that were already there for their use.

    Instead we had a school that didn’t take into account serious security flaws (despite having millions in the bank to fix them,) a sheriff’s department working with the school to cook the books on crime for “racial justice dollars,” An FBI asleep at the wheel ignoring flat out terrorist threats and a school “resource” officer that was as useful as spark plugs on a birthday cake. The sheriff got fired then rehired and no one else has seen any measure of accountability from the government about this.

    Yet some how it’s the populace of US that is at fault for this because of things they own?

    Seriously, fuck right off with that.

  13. He needs to stop giving funds to organizations that want to repeal our civil rights and other nations that are hostile to law abiding US citizens and pro Constitutional rights and policies. Of course his resignation would help too.

  14. Going to be honest, I haven’t read the article yet but can you stop using that picture of biden standing there, between those two pillars, with is mask on. He looks like a child molester stalking his prey. If I seen that in a horror movie I would know it wasn’t going to end well. Of course seeing him in the White House gives me the same feelings. Lol. He just creeps me out.

  15. There needs to be some degree of understanding that where guns are concerned, Biden has trouble seeing past the NRA. The limits of his vision just cannot comprehend the larger picture. If he did something that destroyed the NRA, it would be the highest point in his career for him. All other considerations become meaningless.

    As for Parkland…
    Their liberal progressivism created the problem. The are not going to learn anything from it. Calls from Parklands’ inhabitants for someone else to fix their problems will continue. More death is the inevitable result.

  18. Daily child killings prove dire need for safe storage laws in Capitalvania where life is considered cheap and expendable by the Far Right who block such sane gun laws from being passed.

    Fourteen year old accidentally shoots and kills 11 year old with gun found in the home plus several more accidental killings with unattended firearms in the home.

    Far right screams: Who cares, losses can never be to high when it comes to inconveniencing us with locking guns up when children are in the home.

    https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/do-guns-make-us-safer-science-suggests-no/

  19. YES PLEASE MORE MONEY , LETS GOT AFTER THA CRIMINALS , CARTEL DRUG LORD’S , MS13 , , GO AFTER THA PEOPLE USING THA DRUGS ALSO
    THAT WOULD HELP WITH SOME OF THA VIOLENT BS
    AMEN , STAY SAFE BEST Y’ALL CAN

    • If we are really serious about DRUGS it’s the users of the WORLD that must be targetted. The growers and ealers at every level are merely fullfilling a demand. As long as the demand is there and the rewards are great enough thee will ALWAYS be a supply. It’s about timer the USERS stood up, accepted responsibility and recognised that it is THEY who are fuelling the wars around the world including the tragedies of AFHANISTAN and MEXICO. No demand – no supply needed.

  20. CANADA has every right to impose national law as it sees fit and is not beholding to the USA in any way. Why is it that so many Americans seem to think that their laws in some way take precedence on Foreign Soil?

    For better or worse TRUDEA is PRIME MINISTER [NOT THE HEAD OF STATE] of CANADA hand was voted in by being the leader of his POLITICAL Party not in a seperate election. Canada’s Head of State is QUEEN ELIZABETH 2nd of CANADA a hereditary and CONSTUTIONAL MONARCH. QE2 is also the Constitutional Monarch of a further 14 independent Nations within the COMMONWEALTH OF NATIONS, Constitutional Monarchs [and constitutional Presidents have no Executive Authority. Who would you rather have as Head of State TRUMP or the Queen

    • Trump. Or a rock. Our laws do not govern Canada. But we can support freedom when it crops up. Does free speech threaten you?

    • Why is it that trumped-up SUBJECTS, like YOU, Albert the Subject, seem to feel empowered to inject YOUR idiot opinions into OUR political debates???

      You are a subject, from a monarchy that has been willing to live under monarchic rule for centuries. Your opinions stopped mattering to us in 1776. Canada is free to ignore our commentary . . . oh, except that they do many times more annual trade with us than with you. Perhaps they DO need to pay attention, eh??

      But, if not, that’s on them. We’ll sit and watch as that absolute, soiboi t***, Trudeau, provokes a civil war in Canada. And you’ll “tut tut” about it. Like your sort always does.

  21. dacien, albert, Geoff and Lamp are clowns’ blah blah blah…it’s obvious you are the same douche. I will not capitalize any of these aliases. White truckers in Canada?? What in the absolute fuck makes you think all those people were white?? RACIST!! The powers that be had at least a half a dozen red flags that could have prevented this senseless tragedy but failed to act. Law abiding firearm owners are not to blame! Hurry now…you are late for your engagement as keynote speaker at a butt fucking convention. As head of state?? Trump…Gilligan…or even the old stump we take pot shots at out back before a monarchy…to quote Frank Derbin from police squad, and no matter how silly the idea of having a queen may be to us…

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