Black Collar Arms Announces Complete Bolt Action Pistol Builds

1. Hmm. With the addition of a ‘KaliKey’ charging handle to my .300 BLK pistol, I turned it into a bolt-action AR to avoid classification and registration as an ‘assault weapon’ per CA Penal Code definitions. Conversion back to standard semi-auto (for when I travel out of state) takes less than a minute, and vice-versa. One gun, two options.

   And it only cost me $80.

   • Same here, though my reason for the KaliKey is to easily convert my AR pistol back and forth between bolt action and semi-auto by simply having two separate BCG combos in my bag instead of two separate guns. Much cheaper and easier.

     This Pork Sword model above looks nice, and is probably a great gun if it’s your style.

     • Totally. The Kali Key is pretty sweet! At that point you’re right that much of it comes down to style. AR look and feel vs. bolt gun look and feel. The ease of doing a folding brace (or stock) on the Pork Sword is an improvement over most AR setups. But, just as there are a zillion different guns that fire 9mm, there are many different ways to send a 300 BLK downrange and there are reasons, even if it’s just aesthetics or feel, to choose an AR vs. a bolt gun vs. a break action, etc etc

       • There’s a little more to it than that. With the switch barrel system and your chassis, I can go from a 204 Ruger pistol to a 375 Raptor rifle in five minutes time. That’s pretty cool.
         With an AR, I can go from 243 to 375 Raptor, and I can go from 223 to say 300 Blackout, but there is even more flexibility here between calibers as well as pistol rifle brace.

2. First rounds out of my 12 1/2″ .308 Win pistol went out yesterday. No brace, just a straight up normal bolt action pistol. Working up the load but it looks like I’ll be able to get a 150gr round out to 2,500fps. Will head out next week for bear, mule deer, and antelope with it. Should be fun.
   I bought it as pieces, but it took all of 5 minutes, including the barrel, to put together.

   • Does that .30-cal bullet get good twist out of only 12.5″ travel? Have you sighted it yet to determine MOA?

     • Barrel length and accuracy are not related. Any suggestions that a bullet must make a full rotation in order to be stable are just invented from whole cloth. The bullet will be spinning at the RPM dictated by the twist rate of the barrel and the bullet’s velocity, regardless of whether it makes a half rotation while inside the barrel or four rotations. Those KAK .308 barrels are a 1:10 twist.

       • I didn’t say “full rotation”, if you noticed. I said “good twist”. And yes, barrel length is always a factor for twist, powder expansion, stiffness, etc. that all affect ballistics. Any experienced shooter and/or reloader knows this well. I’m rather surprised that you say otherwise.

         Besides, I asked jwtaylor about *his* gun, so it’s a wonder why you’re answering for him.

       • That accuracy requires a full rotation of the bullet is one of those common firearm myths. Hear it all the time. Didn’t mean to imply that’s what you were suggesting, but it comes up a lot so I threw it out there. Same with the idea that longer barrels are more accurate — it just isn’t the case. Sorry if I sounded like a total dick! I can be sometimes but it wasn’t intended at all here haha. Having shot many centerfire rifles with 5-inch to 12.5-inch barrels, including .308s in 10-, 10.5-, and 12.5-inch (including 10-inch .308s that are sub-half-minute guns and banging steel targets at 585 yards from a 5-inch AR), I threw in my $0.02. I’m also very familiar with JWT’s setup. But again, I’m very sorry for my curt reply that reads really a-hole-ish. No attitude was intended.

         BTW we have published a handful of articles discussing accuracy vs barrel length (and the TL:DR is that there’s no relation). Here’s a fairly extensively one that’s a good read with some good data: https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/challenging-what-you-think-you-know-about-barrel-length-velocity-and-accuracy/

       • All is forgiven (strikes royal pose and magnanimously extends hand to wave away the stale air of contention). 🙂

         I’m acutely aware that ballistics is a complicated topic, replete with all sorts of variables, so I won’t pretend to be a master of any or all. I’ll stick only to what I know.

         That being said, I’ll take the common 5.56 as an example. Generally speaking, this round is optimized for a 20″ barrel (again, for any readers, I said “generally”, so just bear with me okay). Shortening to a 16″ carbine won’t sacrifice much other than some muzzle velocity, but when people go into pistol lengths things start to suffer. I know someone who built a 5.56 pistol with stubby 5.5″ barrel. Granted, it’s just a fun gun (a flamethrower), so if we have the freedom to do so, why not? But it’s not at all accurate or reliable.

         That’s why I was inquiring about the MOA achieved with jwtaylor’s build, considering it’s a short barrel in .308.

       • Accuracy is not a function of barrel length. The old tale about longer barrels being more accurate is more about the sight radius than the barrel length. Longer barrels can get higher velocities.

         When you fire a shot the barrel acts like a turning fork and vibrates. You want the muzzle to a node point where the vibration is minimal. There are three ways to do this. 1. Shorten the barrel until you get tight groups. You will find as the barrel is shortened the groups will open and close. But this process cannot be undone without replacing the barrel. 2. Use a tuning device such as weights or Browning’s BOSS device. 3. Tune the ammunition with combinations of projectile, powder, primer, and case.

       • @Southern,

         I’m aware, hence my pains to state that I was talking in general terms, not specifics, as many variables come into play.

         However, in speaking of my own experiences, I’ve never seen good groups from 5.56 in 5.5″ or 7.5″ pistol barrels.

         I have a Browning BOSS on one of my BARs and am familiar with its function.

     • I’m not really sure why my comments aren’t posting, but I will try again.
       130-150gr bullets won’t have any problem stabilising. I am using a Trijicon mro with a 2 MOA dot as an optic and I have no trouble fitting the rounds inside 2moa at 100 yards.
       Out of this barrel, the round is still generating about a thousand foot pounds of energy at 300 yards, so that will be my maximum range for this series of hunts.

3. How about a nice Obrez Mosin?

4. 308 10in with a big brake should make me some friends at the range.

5. What’s up with ruger magazine? Mini14 mags?

   • AICS footprint mags. Ruger makes compatible ones for their Precision Rifle.

6. “Pull your Pork Sword Pistol out of your backpack,…”

   I can’t get mine into my backpack…

   • Savior equipment has some really nice backpacks meant specifically for toting guns in a lower-profile manner. Outside looks like a backpack, inside is MOLLE. Different models and colors.

   • Don’t feel bad. I can’t get mine into a backpack, either.

     On the positive side, though, that means it also doesn’t get in the way out front…and it even has a pretty decent length of pull when the stock’s extended. 🙂

7. These look awesome. They’d kick ass in .300blk suppressed.

   Somehow I expected them to be more expensive. Not that I can afford it right now anyway…but a guy can dream.

8. I’m glad they answered the “good god why” that immediately came to my mind but I’m wondering: “Simplified ownership and legality in restrictive states and localities compared to semi-auto rifles or handguns” Are there any states that don’t treat a bolt action pistol as a handgun? That is, are they treated less restrictively than, say, a revolver or glock in CA in terms of being able to own them?

   • Believe it or not, yes. Especially when compared to semi-autos in quite a few states, but in CA even compared to revolvers. Because it’s a manual action it’s exempt from laws regarding microstamping, loaded chamber indicators, and other things required of semi-autos, some of which even apply to revolvers. And while assault weapon laws apply to semi-auto handguns (e.g. total ban on threaded barrels, ban on removable magazines if the mag is outside of the pistol grip and the gun does have a pistol grip, etc etc) they do not apply to manual action handguns. So…yes…they’re treated very differently.

9. Please be a dear and submit this for roster testing in California – we need as many tactical looking anything for sale here!

   Seriously, do a stripped down CA version and we’ll take it from there – just get as many pistol receivers as you can over our borders! I already supported Franklin Arms for their ingenuity in getting their AR pistol on roster, I’d do the same for my very own Pork Sword!

   • NY screws some of this with the no suppressors law but I could see a few getting picked up (likely with fixed mags but need to double check the SAFE act) just as a act of ridicule against our laws.

     • Got a chance to look at the law and for a bolt action pistol you are good to go with all the features besides suppressors. Same reason the fixed mags ARs work. Wonder if something in .458 would be fun.

   • It’s in the works, Nate! (and it won’t have to be stripped down)

     For now, email us as we do have a solution for CA customers 👍

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