“In a country often stereotyped for being too genteel, the Canadian city of Moncton prides itself on a special distinction: It was named the most polite,” cnn.com opines. “So what happened here Wednesday seems unimaginable to residents. A man dressed in fatigues and carrying a rifle went on a rampage, killing three police officers and wounding two others. Thursday morning, the shooter was still on the loose.” As of this writing, there’s not a lot of background on the shooter: one Justin Bourque. But we know one thing: he was pro-gun. And anti-police militarization. And anti-Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America. The image above is from his Facebook page. As are the ones after the jump [which have been deleted] . . .
One bad apple does not the whole make.
Insert “barrel” (cold hammer-forged, of course)
Exactly. The vast majority of mass murderers seem to be left wing progressive socialists. This guy was an anomaly. Of course, I’m afraid for our Northern neighbors, because governments don’t ever let a good tragedy go to waste.
What’s damned annoying is knowing that mass shooters are almost all strongly left-leaning, yet reading a website that says the following:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/suspect-in-moncton-shooting-talked-about-going-out-with-a-bang/article18999247/
Part of the emerging picture of the suspect is all too familiar to recent stories of mass shootings. He appeared to be a man whose mind was full of resentment and conspiracy theories. He didn’t like authority and made some people uneasy with his enthusiasm for firearms.
Right, so despite all the evidence to the contrary, suddenly it’s anti-authoritarian conspiracy theorists and firearms enthusiasts who are the stereotypical mass shooter? Damn lies.
Do either of you have any source for these comments?
“The vast majority of mass murderers seem to be left wing progressive socialists.”
“What’s damned annoying is knowing that mass shooters are almost all strongly left-leaning…”
Here’s the first google hit on ‘spree shooter leftist’
http://newsninja2012.com/why-do-leftists-ignore-fact-that-most-spree-killers-are-leftists/
an anomaly: not really…
refers to self as 99%, pens really strange poetry and likes Anonymous:
“attacks on government, religious, and corporate websites.”
“targeting the Church of Scientology”
“in retaliation against anti–digital piracy campaigns by motion picture and recording industry trade associations.”
“hacktivism included government agencies of the US, Israel, Tunisia, Uganda, and others;”
“copyright protection agencies; the Westboro Baptist Church; and corporations such as PayPal, MasterCard, Visa, and Sony.”
“Anons have publicly supported WikiLeaks and the Occupy movement. Related groups LulzSec and Operation AntiSec carried out cyberattacks on US government agencies, media, video game companies, military contractors, military personnel, and police officers, resulting in the attention of law enforcement to the groups’ activities. Anonymous has been criticized as racist and antireligious.[dubious – discuss][6] It has also been criticized for the timing of its “#OpIsrael” cyber-attacks of Israeli websites on Yom HaShoah (Holocaust Remembrance Day) in 2013.[7]”
“Dozens of people have been arrested for involvement in Anonymous cyberattacks, in countries including the US, UK, Australia, the Netherlands, Spain, and Turkey. Evaluations of the group’s actions and effectiveness vary widely. Supporters have called the group “freedom fighters”[8] and digital Robin Hoods[9] while critics have described them as “a cyber lynch-mob”[10] or “cyber terrorists”.[11] In 2012, Time called Anonymous one of the “100 most influential people” in the world.[12]”
It does to the crowd of shrieking harpies that have been trying to disarm us for decades. They’ll use any excuse to shut us down, and this is a perfect one.
Especially this one, because the leftist authoritarians will see this as more than an opportunity for political gain. It’s not like some kids were gunned down, or other innocent people. That would make the grabbers salivate, but they wouldn’t really care. No, this guy took on some of the people the leftist authoritarians regard as their pet attack dogs. Successfully. That will put real fear into their little black hearts. It’s what they have really been scared of all along. They’ll be rabid.
Note: Not condoning the shooter’s actions. I’m sure those cops were just decent, hard-working folks doing a difficult and important job, and certainly did nothing to deserve what happened to them. I’m laying it out like I think the leftist authoritarians would see it.
Inb4 theories that this guy is a MDA plant.
he did make good points. are we sure this is really him?
Maybe he is just tired of the govs authoritarian BS and he is looking to check out in style.
Note to gov: this is what happens when you bother someone that was not harming anyone and was just looking to be left alone.
Robert – I’m not telling you how to run your site, but these are the comments that should not only be moderated, but reported. Everything this nutball is saying reeks of the words of every pathetic mass killer we’ve ever been punished for. It’s not my fault I killed a bunch of school children – society was making me conform. No, the cool kids made me do it. Girls won’t bang me. Police made me to it. Pathetic.
Reported?…….to whom?????
So, speculation as to motive is grounds for moderation? And reported? Reported to whom?
Reported to the authorities so the responsible parties can be arrested, questioned, and have their weapons temporarily placed into impound until its determined they’re not a threat to their community.
The BlinkyPete directly above is trolling – well played, but it ain’t me.
What?
Nice back peddle, coward. “Ooh its not me saying all of those terrible things! it must be a hacker! waaah”
stfu.
Uh, it’s not. You can write anything you want under the “name” section, and some brilliant mastermind simple put “BlinkyPete” in. I’m not back pedaling on anything I said. Someone is simply commenting under my name.
And for the record, yeah, when someone not only openly sympathizes with a mass murderer but goes as far as to glamorize them, if it were my site I’d damned well report them. There are plenty upon plenty of examples of violent monsters preceding their attacks with vague warnings and threats, and the sites those threats are made on are invariably cast in the most negative light.
Except that not only is he not sympathizing with a spree-killer, but you are espousing the talking-points of the civilian disarmament industrial complex which constitutes a bigger threat to everyone (including you) than any spree-killer ever could.
No, I’m not. I’m not sure if you’re talking about something I actually said or if you’re talking about the other fellow commenting as me, but if it’s the former I’d like to know exactly what I’ve said that supports the gun-control movement. To the exact contrary, my biggest concern is that mass killers and people who glamorize them (and saying “Maybe…he is looking to check out in style” is most certainly that) do more for the gun control movement than they could ever do for themselves.
I hate to say this but I see BlinkyPete’s point.
As people of the gun, how can we condemn others for not reporting whack jobs and then not police our own?
That said, it won’t do anything. Because even if “Anonymous” is a nut, the longest they would be able to keep him or her under watch is 2 days.
And we’ve already established that confiscating someone’s guns without a hearing is unconstitutional… and any person of the gun can easily appropriate or make their own weapons if push comes to shove.
So… meh.
And you know what – you make an excellent point that I failed to make. You’re right – it won’t do anything, not in the short term anyway. What it would do in the long term, though, if give TTAG a paper trail to say “See, we do our best to notify people when we see potentially threatening or dangerous behavior.” I probably should have spelled that out more clearly.
Haha. I’m glad I riled you guys all up. Great.
I especially liked this part:
Reported to the authorities so the responsible parties can be arrested, questioned, and have their weapons temporarily placed into impound until its determined they’re not a threat to their community.
Of course you do. My guess is you wrote it.
Don’t worry blinky – I’m not looking to hurt anything more than feelings.
😉
Just remember motive is the most important topic for mass shooters that most overlook. This guy isn’t targeting unarmed civilians for attention – what is his motive/reasoning?
RF is just preparing us for the dogpile. Not that CNN needs this ammo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbbI04_TE6I
Morning laugh!
Thanks for that. I forgot how funny that clip is.
Hopefully the Canadians will employ better crisis actors than the US has been using lately.
Idiot.
Too bad this site does not allow ad hominem attacks, because I would have a few ad hominem’s I would love to throw at you.
Comments like the ones being made on this story should be used as indicators as to who needs their second amendment protections removed. Crisis actors? False Flags? Really?
Not my fault you’re taking it personal and getting butt-hurt over it.
This isn’t me. It appears I’ve upset someone who can’t come up with an actual argument for their point of view.
It might as well be you.
More and more folks like you strike me as borrowing plays from the book of the anti’s. You don’t seem to have an argument beyond projecting beliefs and desires onto anyone who doesn’t fall lock step inline with not only your own beliefs, but your approach to enforcing them.
The Mommy Operator poster is kind of ridiculous…
Is she protecting her children from Somali pirates?
DC Pirates
Touché.
Then Godspeed, Mommy Operator.
Momerator…Moperator…Momperator…
Pirates of the Caribbean.
So the gun control crowd finally gets their poster child of a gun rights lunatic. Of course, he is Canadian instead of American and lives in another gun controlled “utopia”
How many attempts did that take to finally get their pro-gun killer?
Please don’t go all “false flag”. We’ve seen enough statements out of the likes of James Yaeger alone to know we have some nutjobs on our side.
They already have one, and they have been using it to death for years;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Pittsburgh_police_shootings
This is just a fresh canadian reboot, maple syrup flavored.
Oh crap.
This will hit us hard.
He’s from Canada, so probably not. If he was an American, we’d be in serious trouble.
Upcoming mid-terms are having some influence.
Otherwise MDA would be all over this. I can hear it already: ‘This could just as easily happen here. Gun owners cannot be trusted. They must be disarmed – otherwise children will be caught in the crossfire.’
I thought Canada was the model for responsible gun confiscation. Why bring attention to their failures?
Someone should shoot that guy.
Why?
Because that’s the appropriate course of action when dealing with a murderer.
Using that same criteria, it is thus okay to shoot law enforcement officers who assault/kill people who have harmed no one?
uncommon_sense,
Are they marching across my lawn toward more victims?
It’s tactically unsound to wait to fight on your enemy’s terms. He who chooses the time and place to fight usually emerges the victor.
The gun ownership vs homicide rate is rather striking, I thought. Not a perfect invetse correlstion, but telling. Of course, the news agencies aren’t likely to use it.
Gentlemen! Batten down the hatches!
We (the US) are the largest arms supplier in the world. Oh, but wait, that’s not why we are in Africa. Next stop, Antartica. . . . .the penguins need our military hardware!
But we won’t respect the citizens right to bear arms in any country. ONLY governments can be armed, like the “freedom fighters” in Libya and Syria, no doubt they all had background checks and were vetted by the CIA and FBI. WE HAVE NO IDEA WHOE WE ARE HANDING ARMS TO.
We have a long history of selling wepons to people who turn around and try to kill us 20 years later. Afghanistan and Iraq are two noteworthy examples. The US operates on “my enemy’s enemy is my friend”. This is flawed logic. My enemy’s enemy is just my enemy’s enemy.
Maxim 29.
Eh…its Canada
They probably came to get his guns and he went with the Charleston Heston approach.
One bad apple does not make or mean the remaining apples on the tree are bad – but if the controlling powers at be spray the tree with herbicide – all the apples will go bad. Now which is it? Is Justin a bad apple or is he being sprayed with political tyrannical herbicide?
The language you’re using sounds an awful lot like the manifest of basically every mass killer over the past twenty years. There’s always some justification or reason for violent behavior that shifts the blame from the perpetrator to his victims. It seems this line of thinking is pretty common among conspiracy theorist types.
Are you trolling or stalking?
BlinkyPete,
I don’t think that was Anonymous’ thought process.
Step back for a moment and consider this from a perspective of what is inherently right or wrong … rather than what is “lawful”. If John Doe has never harmed anyone and has no malicious intent, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever why John Doe cannot own and possess a firearm, be it a handgun or a long gun. Caliber, ammunition capacity, rate of fire, ergonomic features, cosmetic features, etc. are all irrelevant. And yet governments, through legislative fiat, actively tell John Doe that it is “illegal” to possess some/all firearms … and said government has instructed law enforcement officers to use any force necessary — up to an including deadly force — to disarm John Doe. Who is in the wrong? John Doe for possessing “illegal” firearms? Or government for improperly signing John Doe’s death warrant for owning “illegal” firearms?
Firstly, you (along with plenty of other folks) are making assumptions about this guys motives and what initiated the shooting. The fact that he’s walking around somewhere and not defending his home makes your scenario entirely unlikely. Secondly, and once again, he is still to blame. Killing a bunch of cops does exactly nothing to solve any of the issues you outlined above, and this situation will likely erode many of the advances RTKABA advocates in Canada have made over the past 10 years.
“It seems this line of thinking is pretty common among conspiracy theorist types.”
What is your problem with the conspiracy theorists, cocksucker?
seriously. You are the worst type of person when it comes to ridiculing “conspiracy theorists” and then trying to assert that they commonly deflect blame.
Bootlickers like blinkycock are also good at this behavior, deflecting blame and trying to “debunk” everything. A pox on you.
Oh man. You’re a peach, aren’t you?
My problem with conspiracy theorists is that they tend to be people of sub-average intelligence who lack critical thinking skills, reason and often strike me as mentally unbalanced. By their very nature they’re prone to group think and suggestibility, but often lash out at anyone who points out their obvious fallacies and inaccuracies by calling them “sheeple.”
Now, I know this is probably a flex period for you, but if you keep insulting me I’m going to email your Junior High and tell them what you’re using their computers for.
Wow, just wow. Love back at ya…
Not commenting on any of the rest of the content, but I’m giving you +1 style points for using the curse, “a pox on you.”
If Robert isn’t going to start reporting you nut-jobs to the authorities, perhaps I will.
^Not me.
Blinky opinions are like ass holes, and yours stink.
Funny how someone who is all “that’s not how to fight for our 2A rights” calls for reporting and banning people. Because you know…rights aren’t for individuals they are for groups…and only groups that think like Blinky. That is to say, operate at an IQ of about 70.
The derp is strong with you.
What does reporting someone have to do with the 2nd amendment?
And last time I checked, there are tons of opinions on this site. At least I have the mental capacity to express coherent thoughts and ideas that aren’t “You no think like me. You hate second amendment. Roar!”
I’m guessing it’s a new day dawning here, when c**k sucker doesn’t get your hand slapped. Not sure I’m thrilled with the new direction…
I’m all for moderation, particularly when it comes to violent rhetoric, but if someone wants to call me a cocksucker they can have at it. Sticks and stones and all.
reporting nutjobs?
Where did i say I support the cop killer here? oh right, another wrong conclusion. So go ahead and report, cocksucker. Or post somewhere else. Im attacking you personally, not defending anybody.
“Oh man. You’re a peach, aren’t you?”
Definitely. Just tired of your bullshit not getting addressed. Im glad i got your room temperature IQ attention.
:My problem with conspiracy theorists is that they tend to be people of sub-average intelligence who lack critical thinking skills, reason and often strike me as mentally unbalanced. By their very nature they’re prone to group think and suggestibility, but often lash out at anyone who points out their obvious fallacies and inaccuracies by calling them “sheeple.””
Then there is the “debunker”. The room temperature dimwits such as yourself that seek to debunk everything, despite the evidence that challenges conventional wisdom and your rabid propensity to shut down any debate whatsoever. Not to mention you throw journalists and those that challenge conventional wisdom into the same bin as David Icke, 9/11 air plane hologramers, and sandy hook “truthers”. After all, its just easier right? no requirement of any thinking whatsoever.
Sorry, but Cibil Edmonds, Amber Lyon, Snowden, and other whistleblowers and investigators are much more intelligent than you and the other “debunkers” (you make debunkers throw up). Its because of people like you, that those who orchestrate criminal acts of incompetence and negligence are still free, unpunished. People with your “mentality” ensure the rotten game continues. As I said before, a pox on you.
“Now, I know this is probably a flex period for you, but if you keep insulting me I’m going to email your Junior High and tell them what you’re using their computers for.”
Im going to keep it up unabated. Your computer is good company. Your wife is even better company.
“Room Temperature IQ” really didn’t merit a repeat. I do love how you call me stupid in grammar a 2nd grader would be ashamed of while missing the point that the “report and ban” comment had nothing to do with you – he was referencing a post above. Reading comprehension is your friend!
I’m also sorry that you took the whole Junior High thing as an insult – it wasn’t. I was actually giving you the benefit of the doubt. I was thinking that whomever is writing this poorly worded and punctuated word-salad is either a mentally ill adult with a learning disability and emotional issues or a slowish 7th grader. I was hoping, and assumed it was the latter – the whole ‘a pox on you’ thing lead me to believe you’d recently been introduced to Shakespeare, and that things would really pick up for you when you hit puberty. It’s a damn shame to hear that ship’s already sailed for you, and that you fit more into the former category. Oh, and that you’ve apparently only been introduced to Shakespeare, and that it’s cool enough to repeatedly use the whole “pox” thing.
So why were the police going after this guy to begin with? Or did he walk down the street with his guns? Police usually begin the encounter…why did they do it? What was their reasoning? I’m not jumping to any conclusions until the facts are out there…
We still don’t know the circumstances of the shooting. Was it an ambush? Did the police shoot first? Facebook, like all websites, can be manipulated…
At least he’s targeting folks who have the tools to fight back. Predator wouldn’t kill anyone who was unarmed. Is there a Canadian version of Arnold?
Pictures circulated of the bad guy armed walking through the streets and neighborhoods hunting LEO’s.
Pictures…..of him walking…..which means the unarmed populace didn’t have the means to take down a bad guy. the populace has been told “guns=bad” so the majority don’t have them. Video’s surfacing of the bad guy shooting a officer near a patrol car. The residents take up cameras instead of arms when faced with a life or death situation.
As the anti-gun crowd spins this we need to spin this. We are witnessing what happens in a unarmed society. I don’t know the ownership statistics for that town but if a bad guy can walk the streets with no worry then it can’t be high.
I agree. It might seem crass to say “if you had a gun in your hand instead of a cellphone you could have stopped this,” but we must consider what we will be told; “If you closed the ‘gun show loophole’ in America this meme-crazed killer wouldn’t be shooting mounties in Canada.”
Good point. If a person was casually walking down my street whilst executing passersby, he wouldn’t get more than 50 yards past the first victim I saw him execute before falling over dead from a rifle wound.
At that point all we would need the police to do is clean up the mess.
There are probably plenty of armed Canuck hunters in the neighborhood, but all are apparently unwilling to assist. So thoroughly brainwashed, I doubt the idea of shooting at a dangerous person even crosses their mind.
Or maybe they’re thinking that, in a neighborhood full of jumpy cops looking for a shooter, firing a rifle out the window is a great way to get yourself shot about 300 times…
Sure, that is the case NOW, but probably not when the guy was first casually strolling down the street before the initial response.
How did this start to begin with? Did he just wake up one morning and decide he wanted to kill police or were they abusing him?
I’ll bet he had ears too.
-D
I don’t know guys. Thus far I like him – but that could change as more of the story surfaces (hopefully facts). There are a lot of unanswered questions here.
These kind of comments do wonders for us. Folks saying they like cop killers really helps demonstrate that the whole paranoid, delusional extremist gun nut stereotype is just a myth.
You’re assuming that a cop would never be acting criminally. It’s okay to shoot a criminal attacker, yet if that criminal happens to be a cop, then it magically becomes wrong?
I’m assuming absolutely nothing. I never said that a cop can’t act criminally. What I do know, is that this guy shot and killed three police officers, wounded two more, and is now the subject of a manhunt. I know from pictures that he was tooled up with at least two long guns.
If you read this and your reaction is “this is a good guy” then you’re going well beyond making assumptions. You’re inventing and applying attributes to this guy that don’t exist, and assuming that only cops can do wrong.
To be clear, I’m not a huge fan of cops, but when someone shoots five of them, they’d need to be busting down is door in a no knock raid. That ain’t the case here.
Blinky, I don’t disagree with your reply. I guess my point is that the term “cop killer” carries the connotation that the cops were murdered, without any regard for how the cops were acting. I’m just always suspect when that term gets thrown around, as if anyone who kills a cop automatically becomes a pariah.
I don’t disagree with you there; I just thing the preponderance of evidence in this case points to a typical “go out in a blaze of murder” mass murderer. These cases generally lead to the biggest tests of the 2nd amendment (even when they don’t happen in the US or, sometimes, involve guns). It’s important to ‘stay on message’ during these times, and repudiate violent/extremist rhetoric and conspiracy theories.
My .02
When people proclaim “come and take it” or. “from my cold dead hands” to whom do you think they’re speaking to…
Electricians? Grade school teachers? Polar bears?
I’m not sure what your point is, or if you even have one. If this guy’s mantra is “come and take it” or “from my cold dead hands”, I’m sure the police are going to oblige him either way. The fact that the putrid chicken hawks on the gun control side will exploit this tragedy is unavoidable, but the fact that there are people on my side who see this as some kind of success for gun rights is just plain sad.
Generally the people who seem to love saying that shit are talking to anyone who will listen because they want attention. If a day ever comes where we’re told to turn in our guns, then the saying might be appropriate, but when our biggest enemies are soccer moms and scummy politicians? It’s a chest thumping taunt, a vague threat. Constantly throwing those sayings around doesn’t help us. The reason the gun community has such shitty stereotypes is because mouth breathers have to simplify our culture into bumper stickers and t-shirts and angry phrases.
+1 Rusty.
You sure do assume a hell of a lot
Read the comment you are supposedly commenting on again….”I don’t know guys. Thus far I like him – but that could change as more of the story surfaces (hopefully facts). There are a lot of unanswered questions here.”
Maybe you just automatically stopped reading once you got to a certain point?
I’ve read your comment three times and I have zero idea what you’re trying to convey. What assumptions did I make?
Let’s see… since you cannot seem to identify them yourself – allow me:
1) Cops are never the bad guys – always the good guys.
2) Mainstream Media is always telling the truth
You have assumed one or more of the above.
So how long until we tell people to stop posting political cartoons against gun control, because people who are on the fence are going to think you’re just like the Canadian shitbag “gun-nut” and that will scare people into voting for more gun control?
Guarantee we’ll be the fallout.
Better to reserve judgement until more facts are known. Is this a spree killer lashing out at the government? Or a response to government aggression? Something else entirely? None of that is clear at this point. He may be someone’s poster child, but who that someone is isn’t entirely clear at this point.
I like this hierarchy of life value the media has. Gangsters are the lowest since they hardly ever get mentioned. White people are always worth more as Rodgers showed. 3 shot makes world news for a month. Children are worth something but here again white children are worth more than non-white children. But cops, the world always stops for cops. Any color and you’re golden if you’re a cop.
I’ll see if I can work out a nice chart just so we all know exactly how valuable we are.
I was afraid of this. When are the “domestic” here going to get it through their thick heads that some people take “foreign or domestic” and their oaths seriously? Government agents try to make your handlers understand that the solution to the vile crimes of a very few isn’t to attack the civil rights of everyone else. Even if the intention isn’t to push people over the edge if that’s the final result does it really matter what the original intention was? You tell me (I’m sure by now you know everything about me) do you see a happy ending coming from all these attacks on the Bill of Rights? You people can do something about this. Me I think I’m going to a commune in Vermont till this crap blows over.
Communes always fail. Make it a co-op, with private property ownership, and at least you’ll have a fighting chance to survive.
That’s just my favorite line from Birth of a New Machine. A digital hardware engineer trying to debug a high speed digital circuit quit in frustration saying something like “I’ve gone to a commune in Vermont. I refuse to deal with any length of time shorter than a season” Doing that just sometimes seems like a good idea.
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Phil Hache “you knew this wasn’t the answer…”
First comment on the BG most recent post. In my opinion this quote means that the BG had talked at great length with people about his ideas or plans.
The warning signs were there, nothing was done, no one was contacted, no one asked him if he was ok. No LEO, no family members confronted his ideas and tried to intervene. Or maybe I am wrong. Maybe people were contacted but couldn’t do anything or didn’t know what to do or say.
Now its to late.
A not so gentle reminder that government is the servant of the people.
Accountability…push the people too far and eventually they will push back. Tree of liberty and all. This guy just arrived at his pushback point a little sooner then the rest of us.
I might even call him a harbinger.
How the hell do you know what motivated him to do it? What a foolish, pathetic thing to say. If you genuinely think that civil war is in the cards, and that it would somehow help our cause, strap that tinfoil hat on and post up in your bunker and just wait for it to start. The adults are busy actually trying to fight for the 2nd amendment.
There’s lots of speculation, so I’ll wait until the facts come in. Or, if its like Sandy Hook, we’ll never get all the facts and just get more pushes for gun control.
I don’t know what facts you’re waiting for… what is there left to know?
Gun control advocates start exploiting tragedies the second they are reported on, and being wrong doesn’t stop them – see the three largely ignored stabbing victims in the latest Kalifornia mass murder. The only reason I can think of to claim that ‘we don’t know all the facts’ is to suspend disbelief for conspiracy theorists, who are the absolute worst among us.
“The only reason I can think of to claim that ‘we don’t know all the facts’ is to suspend disbelief for conspiracy theorists, who are the absolute worst among us.”
Indeed the worst, alongside those that take everything at face value just because the media reports it. Similar to what you do.
Yawwwwwnn. I’m massively critical of the mainstream media, but that doesn’t meant the so-called alternative media is any better. Critical thinking, reading comprehension and the ability to analyze multiple sources for data are good skills for folks who genuinely want to be informed. Single source news readers, be the fans of CNN, Fox News or Prison Planet, generally strike me as people who simply want their views, biases and opinions reinforced and supported. That goes doubly for conspiracy theorists.
Did you guys forget how the conspiracy theorists were asserting for years that the government was spying everyone and lo, and behold, it all turned out to be tin-foil hat bullshit?
The second comment isn’t mine.
And also, oh humble trollio, your comment kind of exposes the logical fallacy in the whole ‘everything’s a conspiracy’ argument. We know about the NSA because of whistle blowers. We know about Pat Tillman because of whistle blowers. We know about Enron, Lance Armstrong, GM and every other actual conspiracy because of whistle blowers.
The ‘False Flag’ theorem for 9/11, Sandy Hook and everything else would require hundreds, if not thousands of active participants. How many whistle blowers do we have? Zero.
“Yawwwwwnn. I’m massively critical of the mainstream media, but that doesn’t meant the so-called alternative media is any better. ”
Where did I say it was?
Maybe if you had a nice tall glass rather than trying to draw to wrong conclusions again, we would get ahead here.
So, knock it the fuc off.
Without details, all we know is that he was pro-gun rights.
Would like to know what lead the confrontation in the first place.
It goes to the No True Scotsman Fallacy: “If he’s one of us, he can’t be guilty, and if he’s guilty he can’t be one of us.” Frankly, I don’t care what his political leanings are. Every time there’s a terrorist attack the left reminds us it’s wrong to blame all Muslims for the actions of a few, while the right condemns the entire faith as a religion of violence. That sounds awful familiar to me.
We have no clue what precipitated this. More than likely, this guy’s an delusional anti-cop nutter taking revenge for some imagined slight, or, he thinks it’s long past time for a revolution for past acts perpetrated by a tyrannical government militarizing its police force and disarming its citizens. For all we know, this could be a legitimate case of self defense and the news media is being given a snow job by the police. We just don’t know. None of us have all the information yet, and probably never will.
Let’s try and see this somewhat rationally. First of all, I think many of us can agree that we have mental health problem in this country (and it would seem in Canada too). Most of lunatics who have gone on the rampage here have shown clear signs of mental illness that, if it had been taken more seriously could have possibly changed what happened.
If we agree that some X percent of the population is mentally troubled, statistical theory suggests that some percentage of gun owners are going to have some level of mental health problems. Statistical theory further holds that some percentage of that group will snap and go on a rampage. Disarming people is not the solution as that group that snaps will simply use another tool if firearms are restricted. Rather, we need to focus on the mental health problems, not the guns.
Secondly, I find it interesting that this fellow only targeted police. When this sort of thing happens here it almost invariably results in the deaths of uninvolved people. Note that I use the word uninvolved rather than innocent as I don’t mean to suggest the police officers who were killed and wounded in Canada were not innocent. Instead, I am trying to draw the distinction between what would be considered uninvolved people and police who could reasonably be seen as agents of the oppressive state in the mind of this killer. It’s not that far a stretch really. Anti-police comments that regularly populate TTAG along with the ones posted on this very article suggest that mindset is not uncommon.
This incident has many parallels to what happened in Arizona a month or so ago in which armed citizens, fed up at what they perceived to be constant Government overreach, leveled guns at Federal officials and were prepared to get into a shooting war despite the fact that most of them really didn’t have any connection to the specific issue at hand on the Bundy Ranch. They simply were looking to push back at the Government and Bundy gave them the opportunity.
What will be interesting over the next days and weeks will be how this story is parsed by the press. It could certainly be spun as yet another example of a crackpot with access to too much firepower going off and killing innocents for no reason. Or it could be seen as a much more dangerous precedent – that of the citizen who is fed up with their Government and has decided not to take it anymore.
The American Revolution began with British troops shooting Colonial resistors in Lexington. That relatively small event ultimately wound up with the most powerful armed force in the world being driven from their colonial holdings by a relatively rag tag bunch of partisans who had decided not to take it anymore. I’m not saying that the panic button needs to be pressed just yet, but if this incident becomes just one in a string of similar incidents to come, the powder keg might well and truly be lit.
“…that of the citizen who is fed up with their Government and has decided not to take it anymore.”
That’s how the authoritarians will see it, and be trouser-soiling scared at the clear demonstration that an armed citizen with the will to do so can overcome armed police. As far as I can tell, this guy probably was just gunning down random cops who did nothing wrong. The shooter sure looks like a bad guy to me. But that’s not the calculation Big Sister is making right now.
Remember Alinsky’s first rule: “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.” Authoritarians love to tell us that popular resistance to tyranny is just a fantasy. Justin Bourque and Chris Dorner have called their bluff for all the world to see. The fact that most of us would agree that these two are bad guys doesn’t matter.
Nutjobs don’t help the cause…
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Guy doesn’t like militarization of police… then provides a good reason for that very thing… brilliant.
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I’m against police militarization, because I’m against the needless escalation of violence. That means I’m also against the needless escalation of violence against police.
I take alarm at the shooting or brutalization of innocent people by police, because I’m against the shooting and brutalization of innocent people. That means I’m also against the shooting or brutalization of police officers.
I speak out when the rights of ordinary people are violated, and when police are not held accountable, because I stand for an even and equitable application of the law. That means I’m against the violation of officers’ rights as individuals and demand those who violate them be brought to justice. That also means I believe that when police officers break the law they ought to enjoy the same rights to due process as the rest of us, and not be smeared with trumped-up accusations.
In short, this guy has nothing in common with my views except a superficial connection to the criticism of police.
You said it best, man.
So why do we keep giving these a holes attention again? Let’s be honest here, how many of you guys can name one victim from at least one “mass” shooting without using google
From everything I’m reading, it sounds like this guy was not specifically targeted or provoked by the RCMP. Instead, it sounds like he ended up going off the deep end with conspiracy theories and paranoia. If he really did just decide one day to go out and shoot at law enforcement personnel, that’s pretty reprehensible.
I seem to recall a cop in California doing exactly the same thing.
We need to wait until more facts come through
Not me.
Posting pro-freedom and gun memes makes you a ‘gun advocate’? Does that mean driving a car makes you an advocate of the auto industry? Stupid.
The images have not been deleted from his account. If they were, I’d wonder how and by whom.
When I sent these to you, I skipped the ones that were not gun – related:
http://www.facebook.com/justin.bourque.5682?fref=ts
I’ll bet you he’s clinically crazy, and has been that way for years. That is just speculation, though. I’d like to know exactly WTF is going on first if at all possible.
Look guys. He is a Canuck. Not are society and not our fight.
Canada aaaa…I guess he couldn’t abide the socialist paradise.
Shall we place bets on the contents of his medicine cabinet?
I’m reserving judgment. My sympathies do not lie with the RCMP, and I doubt we will ever know the truth of the matter.
The rcmp are known gun grabbers who have shown no repentance. ….. makes them fair game…
I guess he got tired of being repressed by a government he never consented to stealing his money and his freedom and he decided to seek revenge by killing some of the people who enable the state to do it’s evil.
I do not think what he did was right from a tactical point of view, as it is not likely to bring about change, but from a moral point of view as long as ONLY employees of the state where killed I do t know that I can fault him. The policemen where prolly nice men with families who felt like they where good guys, but in truth they do enable the state to do bad things.
They will call this guy crazy or whatever. I think that is wrong how ever you feel about his actions it is obvious they are an act of political violence against the state. An act of revolution against the government.
Although I personally pray for a day when having a state that enforces it’s laws and taxes with the threat of violence will be a capital crime, I want to see government employees put on trial before they are shot. Also political violence against an evil oppressor is not very effective without a populace ready for change. Right now our population is addicted to themselves mentality and sucking te glass d@@k of the state. Until that addiction is broken and enough people realize government is not needed at all it is just a justification for some people to rule others, a big lie, killing a few of the states henchmen seams a little cruel.
It’s a false flag. The town doesn’t exist and the entire country is populated entirely by actors. If some nuns roll up with a truckload of porta potties, run for the shelters.
That first picture is pretty stupid. You can’t compare traffic cops to riot police, who exist for a very good reason (and use nonlethal weapons for the most part) and expect that to show how police are becoming militarized.
I know that the militarization of police is a very real thing — but try to bring that point across a different way.
Also, all of those pictures… When did TTAG become my FB news feed? I come here to escapee that BS.
That top picture killed me , the British police are still the top image , the bottom ones are the super special “armed police” they only show up if someone is shooting an air rifle at cans on his own property or testing his BRIGHT PINK airsoft AR (cough me cough bought it as a joke cough) in the privacy of his own room until spotted by paranoid neighbours.
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