BREAKING: Magpul Moving to Wyoming and Texas

1. Good, good.

   This will buy them some time until the progressives flood into both of those states from their failed utopias of California and California Jr. (Colorado).

   • Wyoming is too wild for the progressives to survive. They’ll spread to other places instead of taking on nature.

     • That’s what’ll protect Wyoming for now; it’s too un-utopian, and the horses don’t have cones on their heads.

       • Nevada was wild until the Las Vegas burbs spead like wild fire

       • Vegas has been a creeping cancer on Nevada for decades. Las Vegas, remember, was set up by the Jewish mobsters out of (drum roll please) Chicago.

         Then the Jewish mob started importing Jews only partially mobbed-up from back east to run for political office, and you get what you now have in Nevada.

       • Lemme guess, you don’t like the Jews.

       • Lemme guess: You think Las Vegas is run by Walt Disney.

         Sorry, no. The first modern casino (the Flamingo) was set up by Benjamin “Bugsy” Siegel in late 1946. Siegel was a rep for the “Chicago Outfit.” The aforementioned Chicago mob whacked him in ’47 because he didn’t follow orders. A long number of “mob years” followed for Vegas until Howard Hughes flew into town in ’66 and started buying up much of the property along the strip and cleaning up the mob rep for a few years.

         BTW, Hughes had his own heavies to run things, nicknamed “the Mormon Mafia” in Nevada. But the Jewish mob from Chicago never fully went away. Read up on the actions of one Frank “Lefty” Rosenthal and his infamous actions in Vegas’ gaming properties in the 70’s.

         The prior mayor of Vegas (who was in office when Obama took office in 2009) was Oscar Goodman, lawyer for Lefty Rosenthal.

         The current mayor of Vegas is Oscar Goodman’s wife, Carolyn. The mob likes to keep thing in the family, you see.

         Facts are inconvenient things. As a former resident of Nevada, I know the sordid history of Nevada politics quite well, and how it used to be a Democrat state at the behest of the mob in Vegas.

     • Isnt that what they used to say about colorado? Same thing goes for montana, more and more liberals moving there too. Dont get complacent thinking it cant happen to you, it will if you let it.

   • Anyone moving from the Golden State, yes even me should be given a full test regarding liberties and rights. Gun owners and CHL folks get a free pass. This is part of comprehensive migration reform. 🙂

     • Genius, sheer Genius! 😀

       Ready to pull the gates down at the UT-CO border on I-70 for a Kalifornikator Lib-tard inspection and quarantine!

       Now that we’ve become marijuana central, imagine what kind of demographic that’s attracted. In the words of Ricky Ricardo, “Aye, yai, yai-yai-yaiiii!”

       • Do I get a wave thru the check point if I zip tie a Mosin Nagant to the hood of my car?

     • When I moved from Santa Clara, CA to Franktown, CO in August, 2011, my new next-door neighbor looked at me “funny” when I told him I was from California – especially when I told him where Santa Clara is located. I assured him I was escaping CA politics, not trying to bring them with me. He told me that I’d moved into one of the most conservative counties in the state, then we had a beer.

       I was already a gun owner, but I’ve purchased more since I’ve been here (including a couple that are verboten in CA). I had my CHP within a few months of my arrival.

       • I still work in Santa Clara, near Great America theme park. I live in the central valley, which might as well be a different state as far as I am concerned.

       • I make sure to tell folks here in Idaho that I “escaped” California, not that I moved from there. That tends to get the discussion off on the right foot. I still remember driving across the Snake River bridge from Oregon (out of NE Ca) with my guns in the back of the truck, singing “FREE AT LAST, FREE AT LAST, THANK GOD ALMIGHTY…” Brings a tear to the eye.

     • Freedom of movement between the states is considered an inherent part of the “privileges and immunities” enjoyed by the United States citizens under the Constitution.

       • So is keeping infringement away from the RKBA

2. Well done sirs well done.

3. Don’t worry Hookipooper, I’ll prop you up.

   /s/ Bloomberg

4. Welcome to Texas.

5. North central texas. That’s my neck of the woods!!!!!!!! Hell yes!

   Edit: oh. They mean the DFW Metroplex. Still. Sorta my neck of the woods.

6. Great news, though I can’t believe there are actually some total idiots out there griping that Magpul didn’t move sooner.

   • “Moved sooner” implies that they’ve actually moved, which they haven’t.

     • Being more than slightly aware of what was involved in their move, and the size of the space they were looking for, I can see how it took this long for them to ink a deal. There isn’t that much already-built space of 50K feet and up anywhere in Wyoming.

       One of the reasons why Nevada was able to pull so much warehousing business out of California was that the developers and real estate speculators put up huge boxes on ground next to rail and interstate routes in Sparks and Fernley. That’s why Amazon, MSC, Deere, Cat, JC Penny, et al are all located there. When it came time to recruit those companies, all that had to be done in some cases was to show them the already completed buildings and sign a lease or deal.

       In Wyoming, one of our barriers to attracting more business is that, while there’s plenty of land available, the services aren’t always there at the real estate, much less a completed building. If I wanted to move my shop where we are, I might well have to buy the land, pull in the services, put up the building, then move my machines and operations over there. Oh, and I might have to go through a pro-forma re-zoning hearing too. All of that takes time and expense.

       The economy of Wyoming has been “oil, coal, cows and plows” for so long that getting manufacturing moved into the state is a tough sell. The politicians are ready to give all manner of tax incentives and spiffs, but the physical impediments outweigh the cost savings in labor and taxes pretty quickly. You have to be a company with an already well-established cash flow to even consider moving into Wyoming.

       • So what’s their excuse for the slooooooow exit to Texas? They claim it’s going to take 18 months. Really?

         It took less time to build the Empire State Building.

         The only reason they’re doing this at all is that Magpul shot it’s mouth off, got called on it and was being eviscerated by the gun community for not putting its money where its mouth was.

         • You sound like a jeaolous Leftist Ralph.

       • Let me put this quote at you:

         “Magpul plans on initially transitioning 92% of its current workforce outside of Colorado within 12-16 months …”

         That means the employees are moving with them. Those that have houses to sell are going to be part of the wait.

       • “‘Magpul plans on initially transitioning 92% of its current workforce outside of Colorado within 12-16 months …’
         That means the employees are moving with them. ”

         Not necessarily. It just means that 92% of their current workforce will no longer be in Colorado.

         Maybe some of the current employees will still work for Magpul (but outside of Colorado). Maybe all but 8% of the current employees will be fired, and Magpul will find new employees – residents of WY and TX. Or maybe somewhere in between.

       • Good analysis, DG. When I was driving I made frequent deliveries and pick ups in the Cheyenne and Denver areas. Cheyenne is only about 15 miles north of Colorado and the eastern section along the Interstate has become highly industrialized. Magpul staff coming from Colorado will be only an hour or so from Denver, in good weather. Also the intersection of I-80 and I-25 is ideal for transportation purposes.

       • “That means the employees are moving with them.”

         Unfortunately, a Denver Post story quotes [who I presume is] a company spokesman:
         “Most of the 200-plus employees will not be moving to Wyoming, where manufacturing and distribution will take place, said spokesman Duane Liptak. … Employees were notified Thursday about the move, and most are not expected to make the move and will be out of a job, Liptak said.”

         http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_24833568/magpul-pulling-up-states-heading-out-colorado

7. So the anti’s won, they pushed them out. Stand and fight huh? The tide was shifting in CO with the Sherrifs and the recalls… I would have preferred them staying like a big FU to the antis.

   • why? the law was passed… I hope you’re right about the tide shifting, but changing the laws back is a real stretch. The loss of freedom is too often a one-way trip. I applaud Magpul for leaving. sending a message that businesses will migrate for freedom is voting with their tax dollars and their jobs. those are two of the things any state prides above all else. hopefully it will give pause to any other state considering a reduction in 2nd Amendment protections.

   • They said they’d leave if the law was passed and it was. Their choice was either to leave or to be a bunch of liars to customers all over the nation.

     But I noticed that they’re keeping a limited presence in the state. I wonder if that is so they can keep legal standing on any efforts to get the laws overturned in CO courts.

     • “They’re keeping a limited presence in the state.”

       That could mean 2 Janitors and Rent a Cop Security Guard team at an empty Warehouse. But who knows, why clean and guard an empty Warehouse and grounds.

     • True true, they stated they would and they did. I respect anyone or any business that stands by their word… however, I want to see people stand and fight like the Sheriffs did and the people of CO who pushed forward with the recall.

8. interesting that they are dividing up their operations/management from their manufacturing. Wyoming must have inexpensive manufacturing labor or more advantageous incentives than Texas. Otherwise it seems like a questionable business decision.

   I wish them great luck and applaud their willingness to migrate for freedom!

   • Woot! Hopefully another nail for D**ckenlooper’s coffin. In others news I can’t wait to take a tour of their new headquarters!

   • it seems like a questionable business decision.

     I’m guessing that the Magpul execs did not want to live in Wyoming, and Texas labor costs offered no advantages. So they split the teams apart.

     Some companies offshore their manufacturing to save on costs. This is no different, except it keeps the manufacturing in the USA.

     • Agreed Ralph. I think also taxes might have had a little to do with it as well. Land might have been cheaper in WY, so for manufacturing there makes sense. It is also more central so long haul truck coming in and out for shipping has advantages.
       Also not putting all your eggs in one basket as it were makes sense too. Not that I think that TX, or WY is going to have major issues, but still it makes sense. Also if they grow and expand they have competing options they can play with.
       So in a sense they are spreading the wealth around and more than one state can take advantage. That sort of falls in line with corporate responsibility to the community as well.

       • WY is central and that’s an advantage, but trucking can be expensive nonetheless. Inbound trucks always need an outbound load to pick up after they’ve delivered. Shipping to WY is expensive because there isn’t much coming out of WY. Shipping out is expensive, too, because what does come into the state tends to be in less-than-truckload drops and spread out all over.

         Magpul is smart and has no doubt run the numbers in their business plan. So the pluses presumably outweigh the minuses, but there will be minuses, like WY’s very low unemployment rate of 4.4%. That puts pressure on labor costs.

     • It comes down too to the amount of infrastructure they depend on that is located in the Denver area.

       By the late 90’s, the previously thriving injection-molding business sector in the Denver area was pretty much headed into the crapper. Much of it was moving offshore or to Mexico pretty rapidly. Magpul’s start on the Front Range saved much of the infrastructure in plastics, mold/die making, etc from completely disappearing in the area.

       Well, by having those aspects of their business only two hours away, you can still deal with them not being co-located. Putting the entire business into Texas? Now you’re a long haul away from those suppliers, and the business costs start going up.

       Cheyenne is a good location for manufacturing from the standpoint of taxes, energy costs, labor costs, a right-to-work state, and shipping along I-80, with two-hour access to DIA for air. If I had their supplier issues, I’d be making the same decision to put the manufacturing into Cheyenne.

       Cheyenne, however, isn’t a town for hipsters. It’s a gritty railroad town with a nuke missile base for a backyard.

       • Know it well. I grew up there. My family had been in the area since the early 1870s. Even though I’m stuck near Denver now-and MagPul departing will hurt my business – I wish them well.

     • Consider the political ramifications:

       You’re a company HQ’ed in Texas. Which Congressional delegation is now on your side in Texas? One of the larger ones in the nation.

       You’re HQ’ed in Wyoming. What do you have on your side? Three people. Two senators and one congresswoman. They’re rock-ribbed solid RKBA supporters, but they amount to three, and none of them get important committee assignments in the Congress.

       If I’m playing a long game on politics, I’m going to put the whole thing in Texas or my management in Texas. They’re the up-n-coming state, by far.

       This tactic, BTW, was pioneered by the defense industry in the 90’s.

       • Weeeeeeeeeeeeellllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll, actually, by splitting it, you have twice the number of Senators on your side….its brilliant. And, by staying close to Colorado, most of your employees can stay in CO and commute without the worry of selling their houses. Or they can opt to sell and move. But at least that gives them the option.

   • North Central Texas – meaning basically Dallas-Fort Worth – offers much better “infrastructure” for a corporate HQ if for no other reason there’s great travel options into and out of the area. Cheyenne, not so much. Being able to quickly and easily hop on a plane to have a face-to-face with a key customer or supplier is not a trivial advantage.

     Also, state corporate taxes in TX may be better than WY… in some instances, taxes are paid in the jurisdiction in which the HQ is located rather than where the products are made. But that gets very tricky, very quickly, and I am not a pro at that – have just seen it several times with clients making location decisions.

   • It also provides them some redundancy against another legislative fiasco like the one they’re leaving behind. Should either Texas or Wyoming go full retard and enact magazine limits, they already have a foothold in the other state, so moving again wouldn’t be quite as painful.

     But it’s probably mostly about taxes and labor costs.

     • States? How about another Federal AWB that includes mags like the last! Does no one remember the 10 rnd manufacturer limitation from 1994-2004, was it all just a bad dream?

   • Four senators instead of two. Boeing explicitly followed this strategy when expanding in the twentieth century, going into as many states as possible so they would have as many allies in Congress to provide a leg up on defense contracts.

   • DFW area is a major airline hub, about even flying time to east or west coast and an ideal place to hobnob and otherwise woo investors, partners, etc. Spitting distance to trendy places like Austin, and fancy, easily accessible places to hunt like King Ranch.

     For headquarters, Wyoming would have been moving to the middle of nowhere. Hard to get people interested when the best you can say is “Come see our warehouse and stay at the nice Days Inn next door. They got great bagels man!”

9. Great. Now if they could just start shipping their new AK Mags sometime before the end of the decade that would be wonderful. ( The one gripe I’ve ever had with Magpul 😉 )

   If they took the extra time to add metal reinforcements to the design, then it’s worth the wait, btw. They have to at least be as good (or hopefully) better than the US PALMS …and at a better price point! They need to dominate this space. Come one, Magpul. We’re all ‘Pullin for ya!

10. Bravo Zulu to Magpul.
    I know where I’ll be buying mags…

11. Here’s hoping that when (not if) Beretta leaves MD/VA, they make a giant stink about it in the middle of the gubernatorial race. It would be an added bonus if they left for Texas since OweMalley likes to compare Maryland to Texas

12. Two states that value a company selling a product. Good for the people of Magpul,Texas,and Wyoming! They will be adding great revenue and jobs.

13. On a related note Beretta has scratched Virginia off its list for an expansion sight beause the citizens choose to elect a slate of anti-gun zealots. With legislature firmly in the hands of pro-Second Amendment forces are gun rights should be safe for the time being. Hopefulle McAuliffe will be such a disaster that the Republicans will regain control in four years.

    McAullife is probably not upset about Beretta’s decision because he plans to try to remake the state in Marylands image by driving out as many good paying private sector jobs as possible and building up the depend welfare population.

14. Welcome to Texas, let us know when you’re all settled in we will bring beer and barbeque!

    • I’m up for it. How big of a welcome basket do we need for a multi billion dollar company?

      • Is this big enough?
        http://www.flickr.com/photos/rchldrss/8502624580/

        • That giant shiny TX bbq might just be the coolest thing I’ve seen all year!

          I figure 2 things, if the anti folks can play to bad emotions for photo ops using big money backing then we can play up good emotions (community, solidarity, friendship, etc) using lots of little money for photo ops and good PR. Second, it may be that the anti civil rights crowd is kinda like a puppy who messed on the floor. Maybe you have to rub their nose in the real consequences of their capricious actions for them to learn. (the mildly/casually anti anyway, not much hope for the mayor Mikes of this world)

15. They also need to publicize how much in tax money they are taking with them . . . corporate income taxes, real estate taxes, employee income taxes, plus all of the local spending/corporate philanthropy and how many jobs are leaving (not just direct but indirect/supplier, etc). Gov Chickenpooper is up for re-election this year, Time to let the voters know how their legislators are helping their state economically.

    • They already have. I seem to recall one of their press releases on FB stating they paid $85 million in taxes to CO. Though, I’m in sales, so I don’t like to be held to exact figures.

16. Beautiful news! How is that going to look for Gov. Chickenstupid’s attempted re-election!??? SWEET!

17. I don’t think very many people in Colorado will be concerned that Magpul is leaving, not because Colorado will be losing jobs and tons of revenue, but because Colorado is populated with a people who don’t understand economics on any level. But we can now buy pot in stores without making up fake medical conditions, so we’ve got that going for us.

    • I think the two things are not unrelated.

      • He’s proving that potheads are basically sheeple.

        • Just too stoned to care.

        • “And people who drink alcohol are alcoholics.”

          “And people who own guns are child killers.”

          Wonderful logic, glad to see unreasonable slippery slopes aren’t just an anti 2A tactic…..

          Legalizing weed is just as much a freedom as owning firearms, it is the right of a free people to own, use, buy, sell, make whatever they want as long as they don’t harm others in the process. It is your body, it is your life, do as you will, live as you will… sheesh…

          tdiinva, there are plenty of people who don’t smoke weed or drink alcohol that “just don’t care”, b/c it is dictated in history, Americans just don’t care! As Daniel Ellsberg stated after releasing teh Pentagon Papers, “If the American people knew the truth about how they had been lied to about the myths that had led them to endorse this butchery for twenty-five years that they would choose against it—and the risk that you’ve taken when you do that is that you will learn something about your fellow citizens that you won’t like to hear that; they hear it, they learn from it, they understand it, and they proceed to ignore it!”

        • Don’t get me wrong. I support the legalization of all drugs. Not because that is good idea, it isn’t but by only legalizing weed you open opportunities for the cartels to use legal weed operations as fronts. It has already happened. The feds have conducted several raids on “legal” weed operations in Colorado that were mere fronts for the drug cartels to launder money, move other illegal drugs and run guns. (probably supplied by ATF) Just because I always point out that legalizing drugs will not reduce crime in the ghetto doesn’t mean I against legalization. If you want to define deviancy down do it all the way. Just don’t pretend you are enhancing civil society by your actions.

          Read up on how the Europeans used opium to disrupt Chinese society so they could gain concessions and control.

    • Colorado has long been populated by people who know jack-all about economics and finance.

      All you need to do is look at the entire southern tier of the state. From Pueblo south to New Mexico.

      Read up on the history of the CF&I steel plant in Pueblo, and all the mining economics of the region. We’re talking economic stupidity just as pernicious and deep as anything out of MA, NY, IL or CA – for decades. Those southern counties in CO are among some of the most corrupt local political fiefdoms I’ve seen in my entire life, too.

      • And if you want an example of corporate and government cronyism at the worst extreme, read about the Ludlow massacre.

        • Yes, I agree that would be a good read.

          However, one should read all accounts of the Ludlow issue. The miners and the union agitators are hardly blameless in that and several other incidents.

          That said, CF&I is no more, and the economy in the counties south of Pueblo are now moribund, with at least 35% of the population on welfare, their rangelands denuded, little irrigation water is to be had, political corruption is rampant and the unions stifle even the most timid efforts at real estate development.

18. What do we want? — MAGPUL AK MAGS!
    When do we want them? — NOW!
    How do we want them? — With Metal reinforcements at less than $20/per!

    YAY! clap clap clap clap

    (Are you listening, Magpul? This is a wide open opportunity for you to DOMINATE this market space! …and stop whiners like me from doing multiple posts on the same thread to stress the point! 😉 Sorry RF)

    • Yeah, will they have metal reinforcements like Circle 10s? I didn’t think they did…..

      • The word was that the MOE version would not have steel – and they would soon thereafter come out with a version that did have steel reinforcements (at least for the locking points, not for the feed lips or mag body, just like the US PALM Mags). Then came the delay… Supposed to be out in ‘late summer’. So i suspect they realized that they didn’t want to release ‘range toy’ mags (and completely sully their name and reputation and follow the same rocky road that US PALM did with their first release) and decided to skip the all polymer mags altogether and come out with the ones with steel reinforced lockup points (which is absolutely a frigging necessity on any true AK Mag). Don’t think their will be steel in the mag body or feed lips like the Circle 10’s, but I trust Magpul enough that if they come out with one that has steel lockups, I will probably skip spending that arm and a leg I was going to have to spend on a batch of Circle 10’s – and go with all Magpuls (backed up by a nice batch of US PALMS).

19. I’m satisfied with MagPul on all counts. They made a statement, and they are standing by their word, and make excellent mags to boot. It takes a while to move and maintain profitability. I use their stuff on duty and off, and will continue to do so with great enthusiasm.

    • I’ll continue to buy their products.

      Now I’ll just drive up to WY to do so. Just to avoid giving the sales tax to CO, mind you; not so that I can break any CO laws.

      • AK mags, AK mags, AK MAGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • Nah. AR mags. And other accessories. I don’t have an AK.

          • I don’t have one either. But when I get ’em, I want P-mags AK style. They will sell a bigillion of ’em.

20. I hope they are moving to the DFW area and are looking for lawyers. I’d love to represent them. I’d even be glad to pick up other duties on the production line possible.

21. Wyoming is a good choice. I believe they passed legislation starting federal gun control is void for anything made and sold within Wyoming.

22. When the Jericho scenario happens, Magpul’s manufacturing will be in a position to supply the new Allied States of America, to fight those “rebels” and “traitors” and “terrorists” in Columbus.

    But their management will be in a separate sovereign nation…

23. A successful business moves it’s production elsewhere because of financial concerns. NOT political concerns!

    Magpul is simply using a pre-planned move politically. Nothing wrong with that.

    IMHO this has been YEARS in the making,,,,,read between the lines…

    • No way.

24. Personally I dont like the fact they are leaving and I think they were stupid for saying they would if the laws passed. Did they really think that would keep Lickenpooper form signing them. I hate the whole train of thought where if you dont like something move to texas, give me a break, what kind of voting power do you people think we will have when we all live in a few states, none, and then the liberals will get everything they want passed on a federal level and we will still be screwed. We need to make a stand in our states and take some of the power back form these people. Running with your tail between your legs will never win a war. I am so glad that people from other states with nothing to lose by magpul leaving are so happy about it. For the people still here it affects us. Personally would like a bunck of companies to move here a give the liberals the big middle finger and bring all their gun loving employees and families with them.

    Stand up and fight or it will just be a matter of time until there is nowhere left to run.

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