A police officer in Ballwin, MO, in St. Louis County, was shot earlier this morning during a routine traffic stop. He is in critical, but stable condition. According to Ballwin Police Chief Kevin Scott, the officer spoke with the driver and then…
…while going back to his vehicle with his back turned to the motorist, the driver came out of the vehicle, advanced quickly on the officer from the back, and fired three shots. The suspect then proceeded to flee the scene…
Dash cam footage helped to apprehend the suspect fairly quickly, from the sounds of it. The suspect’s identity has yet to be shared, but according to Fox2Now.com (which has video of the press conference for more details):
Investigators say he was on parole for federal weapons violations. His record include weapons offenses in Missouri and California and a stolen car in Oklahoma.
This is yet another example of criminals failing to follow gun laws. It was a felony for this felon to be in possession of a firearm, yet he had one. While on parole, no less.
This was not an ‘ambush’ just an asshole who needs some copper – coated candy.
Simple self-defense against an armed government highwayman in the middle of a robbery.
Sez the azz whole…where’d all these trolls come from?
Why is he a troll? (I’m assuming you directed this comment at the prior comment, about the shooting not being an ambush).
From the description, it doesn’t sound like an ambush. In an ambush, the attacker(s) wait(s) in hiding for the victim to approach, sometimes providing some sort of bait to draw the victim in, then attacks. This sounds like some parolee thought he’d end up in cuffs if the officer checked his ID, so he committed a violent crime to prevent that.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ambush
Given what happened last night, upon seeing the article’s title, I expected it to be about someone setting a trap for a cop, like intentionally speeding through a speed trap to provoke a traffic stop, then shooting.
They either slightly misused the term, felt like “ambushed” is the proper term to describe somebody sneaking up behind another person and attacking them without warning, or there’s more to the story that we don’t know yet such as the suspect did actually do something intentional to get himself pulled over for the purposes of shooting a police officer.
I’ve just grown weary of the media throwing out the term ‘ambush’ as they do ‘assualt rifle/weapon/assualt-style rifle’ or ‘body armor’ what have you. The response by JasonM sums my point exactly. It appears this was a parolee in violation who did not want to go back to jail. Perhaps if he shot the officer the second he was out of his vehicle (thereby using a moving violation as bait to get an officer to pull him over) then I would be more inclined to believe it was an actual ambush.
As for Waterwalker, I’m not a troll who has cropped up in any near time frame. I’ve been lurking this site for a looooooong time and only recently have started posting as my busy schedule allows. Also, spellchecker helps us understand you better.
No, this is at the very least the 3rd article where TTAG has totally jacked up the lede. At this point, it seems intentional. I have only commented on three articles but there may be more. TTAG is becoming so reliable as click bait that I am starting to go elsewhere. It really saddens me, I miss it when we could count on this stop on the web for accuracy. Now it is the gun equivalent of The Enquirer (an occasional nugget, but really just a crew salivating for click-bait).
Do you not understand what it means when quotation marks are around a word? I didn’t come up with that term, the police chief did and the news outlets repeated it. I repeated it, too, but I put it in quotation marks in the title mostly because it’s a direct quotation from something another person said but also because I thought “ambush” was a bit strong of a term in this case (so they’re also like air quotes you’d do with your fingers).
How about when you “quote” something, you attribute the quote. Not some potential, possible, link. Your ‘picture’ in the lead is clickable to view the news cast – well ok, but it doesn’t appear to be a video link, just a photo. In addition, other places that are links (Dash cam), it takes me to a site to BUY a dash cam – so dont expect people to discern your non attributional quote by digging through links or not links. You should reference it on the page, the way you would source any quote and if an “air quote” you better use your fingers so we can see it – that is why we use our fingers, cause it might not be obvious.
“…we don’t know yet such as the suspect did actually do something intentional to get himself pulled over for the purposes of shooting a police officer.”
Ballwin/Manchester (It happened basically on the border) are peaceful burbs. Ballwin’s PD (that I’ve ever interacted with or met) are professional, polite, and are not looking for trouble with anyone. The neighborhoods are multi-cultural, and folks earn a living (or go to school, fair amount of students). The officer apparently didn’t think this stop was going to be dicey – he didn’t wait for a backup car, and Ballwin has plenty of coppers, especially for anything happening on a Friday AM shift. Anytime I see sketchy stop, there’s two cars there. Sometimes 3.
I’m gonna throw a $50 on the reason for the primary – Illinois Temporary Tags on the shooter’s Taurus. I have seen literally hundreds of them (that were still legible anyway), of the (seriously) hundreds I have seen, there have been literally 3 that were actually even close to unexpired. It has been a running joke since well, forever. If they’re on there, they’re guaranteed expired, and the occupant is likely of the sorta marginal kind – but generally not criminal, just broke and trying to get away with it as long as they can before ponying up for plates.
I was over at a friend’s house this morning when it happened, which was less than 3/4 of a mile from the scene. STL County had almost all their airpower in the sky, all availables from at least 3 munis (that I saw) were flooding in, as well as detectives, STL County, and pretty much anyone with a badge for the first coupla hours.
You need to excuse FWW, err, I mean JWM, err, I mean Mr. 308. The world is a very complicated place when you are carrying illegally in Cailfornia, I mean Illinois, err, I mean antique revolvers, err, I mean African Queens who sing. I just can’t keep it all straight.
As always, most mass shootings, ambushers and those that create general mayhem, (general arson, looting, rape, flash mobs and polar bear hunting) they are lefties or muslim. I think what’s his name the Orlando mass murdering muslim, (but I repeat myself) was registered Democrat.
The liberal/regressive ideology as well as Islam should be labeled as death cults and be outlawed.
“I think what’s his name the Orlando mass murdering muslim, (but I repeat myself) was registered Democrat”
He was. Not that you’ll hear any of that from the MSM.
Where did you hear that the suspect in this shooting was a leftie or a Mulsim? Sounds to me like this guy was spending most of his time committing felonies, not going to Friday prayers or political rallies.
Walk backwards to your car. its silly looking, but thats how I was trained
I don’t do that because I’m more worried about getting creamed by a motorist not paying attention than shot, it’s statistically much more likely to happen. I just look over my shoulder once or twice when walking back
It’s all in the terrain. If possible I always make a passenger side approach so I’m way on the shoulder to avoid any traffic.
The “passenger side approach” was all the rage for a decade or so, and it seems that it is no longer taught by most academies anymore.
My friends were all trained (sorta to really) long ago, so any of you “younger” officers been told why? Between traffic concerns (what will statistically kill you if you die on the job) and the ability to have full view of the contact behind the wheel, and a better shot if it all goes wrong, I just don’t understand why that has seemingly been phased out.
Gentlemen, thoughts?
Isn’t there some cop site you pension huggers can discuss this shit at?
To the idiot who referred to us as pension huggers, no, we are discussing this here, it is relevant, go away. Entire threads have been derailed in the name of abortion and this is relevant to the post, so go f*ck yourself.
Now, the passenger side approach has its merits, especially surprise, but I do drivers side because if I need to yank the dude out of the car in a hurry I can do so, whereas you’re kinda SOL if you’re on the passenger side. Just my .02 though
@Another 8 years – look noob, if you knew my history, you’d know I am a super critic of bad/lazy policing.
The guys were talking about a valid tactic, and I asked a valid question about that tactic.
This has nothing to do with cops being malleable for pensions, perqs, or whatever. This was merely a discussion of tactics.
Tile Floor, So were you taught the ‘extraction’ is more valuable (ie, not risky) or what’s the theory? I’m honestly curious, in most strategies, it seems optimal to approach from the passenger (unless there’s a passenger, which complicates things).
Don’t you want to see of they’re going to try to shoot you through the door with the left hand? Don’t you want a clear sight picture and the ready ability to drop and roll away to cover?
I’m honestly trying to figure the change out with some professionals.
this happened because o’bama decided to make the other two shootings a big thing and there’s idiot copycats who want to get “famous” and be mentioned by o’bama, too!
We don’t know what his motive was. Could have been that he was a felon on parole with a firearm and didn’t want to go back to prison. Or he could just be one of those aimless, remorseless monsters who roam the streets and do insane, nihilist crap just because.
^ This is exactly what I gathered from the case.
Since when does evil need a motive? Evil does evil until it’s stopped. If the scum was in prison where he belonged and not out on parole…
A felon not following weapons laws? I’m shocked, absolutely shocked. What is this world coming to? Someone needs to get with Obama and Lynch and get to the bottom line of this.
They have. Their answer is more laws.
I was thinking after 240 years, somebody, anybody in DC would say, “Oh hell no, we need less laws”. And then I woke up.
We need more justice with a rope. Prison isn’t a deterrent anymore.
This is not the only incident today
GBI: Georgia shooter called 911, ambushed arriving officer
http://www.cbs46.com/story/32400652/georgia-officer-shot-multiple-times-identified
Shots Fired At Roswell Cop (UPDATED)
The officer was patrolling the area of Old Roswell Road and Commerce Parkway when he was shot at from a passing vehicle, police say.
http://patch.com/georgia/roswell/shots-fired-roswell-cop
Officer shot, suspect killed in Beaverton mobile home park shooting (Ambushed as well)
http://www.kptv.com/story/29500750/police-officer-shot-during-confrontation-in-beaverton
Just because it did not hit the MSM, does not mean it is not happening.
You heard about all of them. So did I. Hopefully others do something beyond watch the big 3.
To me this sounds like your average traffic stop gone bad, not an attempt at a repeat of Dallas. Other reports indicate that the guy was “distraught over” BLM type stuff but this incident is a far cry from setting up on top of a building with a rifle.
Hopefully the rhetoric on this gets taken down a few notches… otherwise with the internet and social media this whole thing could go pear shaped in a big way very, very fast.
Putting on my own Tin Foil Hat, I am wondering if all these incidents, Dallas specifically, will give some ISIS wannabe’s some ideas. It is going to be a long summer. Surprised Chiraq is not worse than what it is.
“Surprised Chiraq is not worse than what it is.”
Check back on Monday.
“…I am wondering if all these incidents, Dallas specifically, will give some ISIS wannabe’s some ideas.”
I’m more concerned that they will give Obama some ideas.
And so it starts.
Funny, back when cops really were cops there was a whole lot less trouble and a lot less cop shootings
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154363216757700&set=gm.1189334047797232&type=3&theater
Dindunuffins, unite!
But will they form the Voltron robot or the Power Rangers robot?
Well that was odd-couldn’t reply for many posts. Oh and I had work to do. Sorry I offeded you new trolls “lurking”. Sez=says. Asshole = azzwhole. You don’t need spellcheck-just a modicum of intelligence…
I dare these people to come down to southern Jeff county, Washington or franklin co. Cowards…
The people of Ballwin wouldn’t let this happen if it hadn’t been stopped immediately. I can assure you many of us are very well-armed and not hesitant to neutralize criminals.
You wouldn’t have seen him make it to Eureka.
This all sort of reminds me of the 60s. I guess the guy in Dallas was some sort of new Black Panthers member.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/07/08/confirmed-philando-castile-was-an-armed-robbery-suspect-false-media-narrative-now-driving-cop-killings/
Move along, nothing to see here.
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