Whether you enjoy the aesthetic or not it’s difficult to argue with the reliability of GLOCKs. And although most of us understandably associate the poly pistols with double-stacks, remember, they do come as singles.
In 2015 GLOCK introduced their GLOCK 43, a gun I enjoyed getting my hands on at their media launch event. Just a refresher: the G43 is a single-stack 9mm with a six-round capacity and an overall height of 4.25-inches. So, why am I mentioning this? Because the next new GLOCK, to be introduced at SHOT, will reportedly be the G43X.
Our friends at RECOIL reported it earlier today, complete with a few snaps. And I have similar information from a reliable source confirming it. The 43X would be a larger capacity model – a ten-round gun – with an extra 4mm of width and 15mm in length (or so they say). The higher capacity G43X would go right up against SIG’s very popular P365.
So it looks like the cat is out of the bag. Allegedly. What new GLOCK would you like to see hit the market (and don’t say porcelain…)?
Wider huh? How is that a big deal? Whatever the Glock fan boys will go nuts…
first thing they’ll do is replace the slide and trigger, then whine about how others pay too much for CZs and other nice guns with hammers and less plastic. 😉
and dont forget that pesky slide release that needs replacing with the one with the nub on it! I have glocks too, but I always end up replacing the slide release (too flat and hard to use for no reason) and the trigger bar and usually sights. I suppose glock folks think that because it is super cheap and easy to replace these things, and the parts are OEM, it isn’t worth mentioning and doesn’t count as a deficiency. I just wish Glock would charge 2 dollars more and do all these things by default.
Side stop lever is designed for concealed carry. Should be flat, like it is. Dropping the slide in a combat situation, to finish a dry reload for example, is better served with the support hand slingshotting the slide. More reliable with sweat or blood or gunfight pressure than trying to nail a side control, “nub” or not. That gross muscle movement is also in line with stoppage remediation, so it’s a two-fer good habit.
I’m glad they don’t. I prefer the slide-stop over slide-release. When I bought a G34 (which comes with extended controls including a slide release) I change out the slide-release for a slide-stop. I ride high on my grip and my support-hand palm was causing premature slide-lock (mag not empty).
Granted, it’s how I grip the gun and had to modify my grip a bit, but it still bugged me. Does not happen with a slide-stop.
TL,DR: Most Glocks ship with flat slide-stop, not extended slide-release (different inherent function; granted each can be used as the other but each has a primary design role over the other).
Yeah. Unless you’re a Glockhead, nobody cares.
Just Glock doing Glock things. Still, nothing worth buying.
Everything Glock puts out turns to gold, just you watch this will sell like hot cakes!
With the silly mag cap and can’t touch a pistol not on your permit (that you need before buying the pistol) it makes my evaluate out of state list for next year when I hit residency requirements to apply.
How about just an OEM 10 round mag for the current Glock 43!!!
Also on the list as well as some ruger, smith, and other options. Unfortunately never messed with compact let alone sub for pistols and I am mostly familiar with full sized M9, 1911, and glock in about that order. Could go with revolver but that just seems like it wouldn’t anger the governor enough
This. Or a factory +1/2 baseplate for the mags. Sell the guns with 6+1 and a 7+1/8+1 mag and they’ll out sell Shields and everything else. The capacity is what’s getting people into Shields.
And the price!
Not to mention the Shields shootability, ergonomics, and the price.
Its like a G19, but just a hair thinner and a whole lot less bullets.
I cannot wait for the 26X. It will have a longer grip, longer barrel, and be 100% indistinguishable from the G19. Now that’s reason alone to buy one. Or two.
According to the Glock website the (regular) G43’s grip is 5mm narrower than the G19 and the overall height is 20mm shorter. So the G43X is a whopping 1mm narrower and 5mm shorter than the G19. Really just a shorter barrelled G19.
I like how the vagilink for ‘Glock’ takes you to Brownell’s ‘black Friday deals’ page.
Not that I’ll get one, but the 43X still be a lot shorter in the slide and a lot less weight than a 19.
Perhaps has a narrower slide, reducing weight and the bulk that needs to be concealed inside a waistband?
I think you are right on with that. The slide width is what really affects IWB comfort. The grip is above the belt.
This will be a huge seller for Glock and be especially an attractive option for those in states with magazine restrictions. I would rather CCW a 43X than a Glock 19 with a 10 round magazine/
Hey now, it’s like Double diet Dew. Half the calories of Double Dew. Dew the math!
Thinner, a little more handle, a little more ammo and it works if I know Glock.
Wesson and Colt stopped selling arms to the South, I wont touch them, ever…
Glock 17 and 31 is great as is Sig 556 piston, as is my FNAR 7.62 piston. I would buy Ruger.
You may gripe about Clip and Magazine as well.
I used a M1 Gerand in boot to qualify, it had a spring steel CLIP…same thing as magazine, just not enclosed…Germans listened for the twang as it ejected…all of the movies and Americans before you had no problem saying clip long before a magazine became popular…my aircraft carrier had several magazines, some with nukes in them…
Isn’t that just called the G26?
my first thought as well. i’d bet this is a new magazine design though. the beauty of the baby glocks is that they take full capacity happy sticks…. I bet this one wont.
i was going to make this exact same comment
with an extra 4mm of width
That puts it only 1mm narrower than a G26, which already holds 10 rounds and is compatible with all standard Glock 9mm magazines.
Yup. I’ll stick with my G26 with backup G17 mags.
Thats not quite accurate the G43 has a frame buldge of about 2-3mm which is included w the measurement. presumably this G43x wouldnt need that frame buldge.
Still only 3-4mm thinner
Why hasn’t Glock made a sub machine gun for the police market? It seems to me to be a natural for them.
Same reason they don’t make a PCC: Everyone beat them to it and there is nothing unique they can do. A decade ago, if they released an AR lower that took Glock mags it would have been a crazy selling product, but now it won’t go anywhere.
Also Glock mags are single feed, which is terrible for SMG. No point in branding it Glock if it won’t take Glock mags.
what does mags are single feed mean?
Single feed means the mag has only one possible position for a round to feed from. In a double stack, single feed mag like most Glock mags, rounds need to work their way through a taper from the follower to the feed lips, going from double stacked to single, which can have adverse effects on reliability, depending on mag and gun construction and tolerances, especially in fast feeding (e.g. fully automatic) firearms. A double stack, double feed magazine alternates rounds all the way up the mag from follower to feed lips so that it will feed from the right side of the mag, then left (or vice versa). Short version: the top of a double feed mag is wide enough for rounds to feed from either the left or right as the bolt comes forward.
Personally, I am not sure Glock mags would cause particular trouble with automatic fire even as double stack, single feed mags, but I’m not really knowledgeable enough to have much to say on that score…
I am not sure Glock mags would cause particular trouble with automatic fire even as double stack, single feed mags
Glock 18 says no.
Full auto Vector also says no.
I wouldn’t want to try it with third party mags for instance, but the G18 is rated 1200RPM with single stack mags. I’d think they’d do okay especially if you had a method of reducing the rate of fire too.
People will still buy enough of their pistols that they don’t have to. Plus R&D is expensive and it doesn’t seem like they ever put much money into that.
What ‘R&D’ did you have in mind?
Add a hammer? Put on an external thumb safety to lock the hammer in the cocked position? Make the frame out of metal? Maybe tack on a grip safety, a take-down lever, make the magazine single-stack and limit it to 7 rounds?
Or, maybe add extra parts to the trigger mechanism to make it more complicated to disassemble and more expensive to make? Add a hunk of felt in there, just because? Add a safety warning placard in big letters gouged into the slide (“WARNING! THIS GUN WILL SHOOT HOLES IN THINGS IF YOU PULL THE TRIGGER!”)?
Or, how about making it fire when it’s dropped on a hard surface?
I look at it this way: If the engineers over in R&D can make their guns unfailingly chamber a round, fire it (but only one, only when the trigger is intentionally pulled, and not before, after, or when dropped), eject the empty case, chamber a new round, fire IT in the prescribed manner, and keep on doing this through the entire magazine, and the next one, and the next one, and so on, using the minimum number of parts and the simplest possible design, they’ve pulled off a real engineering coup, and no more ‘R&D’ is required. More power to them if they can produce a broad spectrum of different frame and slide sizes and widths, firing widely-differing cartridges, and offering a variety of magazine capacities, without adding any complexity whatsoever to the base design, and make money hand-over-fist doing so for decades on end.
Anything extra is Dagmars on a ’55 Cadillac, fins on a ’57 Plymouth, and a hood scoop on a VW Beetle.
Translation for the non-Glocktarded; “But muh perfection”
How ’bout a modular FCG unit that allows one to swap frames, slides, and barrels quickly for different desires, make the interface specs open-source, and allow the market to develop a dizzying array of chassis and frames and lord-knows-what applications (all of which increase demand for the core product)?
How ’bout a more ergonomic grip design? How ’bout a non-retarded OEM optics mounting system?
Why would anyone in the business of selling more guns want to do that?!
“OK, fellers, I have this BRILLIANT idea! We’ll make just one basic chassis that people have to buy, and then let them mix and match parts to build other guns out of it, instead of selling them complete other guns for much more money! It’s perfect!”
Only a company that builds guns designed to fire when dropped would do something so fiscally stupid.
Or, “OK, fellers, let’s just let every Sig, Smith, and Wesson out there build what we designed and patented, with no strings attached, because we’re really nice guys and have made enough money, just like Obama said that we should!”
I don’t think so.
“Why hasn’t Glock made a sub machine gun for the police market?”
They did, and may still do.
The G 18, a select-fire 9mm :
“The Glock 18 and the compensated 18C have become legendary as fully automatic pistols that everyone wants.”
Only problem is, it’s government or law enforcement only.
https://www.pewpewtactical.com/glock-18-sale-cant-have-one/
You can get pre-1986 conversion kits, but they are expensive, as are all ‘transferable’ NFA machineguns are.
In action :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zw-o3p4ZMtE
That doesnt count. Not practical at all
“That doesnt count. Not practical at all”
I’m really sorry, but it damn sure does count…
I think the 18 is actually a machine pistol and not a true SMG. Still a FA 9mm bullet dispenser, but with a markedly different form factor and intended use.
Or a pistol in .22. Now that would sell like, a Glock
So I see it gained weight.
The 1911 Commander sized Glock.
I like my Glocks. I know they’re as reliable as anything can be. I carry the G21. They do very well, what I need them to do. I started out with a Steyr M1 years ago, had a Ruger P95, Shield, Walther .40. Got rid of those, now have a few Glocks. I’m happy with them. I don’t need any more. But I like seeing what they come up with. And I appreciate the articles on them. And the comments, of course!
Yup. Me too.
Curious about the 4mm width number. In the grip? Did they decide a longer grip needed just a bit more width to hang onto ?
” What new GLOCK would you like to see hit the market (and don’t say porcelain…)?”
I was thinking carbon fiber…
I really like my G43 with the Ghost Edge Connector and an Overwatch Precision Polymer DAT trigger.
It is the smallest gun that I believe I can win. a gunfight with.y
I shot a friend’s g43 and I really wanted to like it….but I didn’t. I pretty much hated the trigger and just didn’t ‘gel’ with it at all. Also not a fan of the tiny capacity, seems like I just started shooting and was out of rounds immediately.
This model seems to have addressed the capacity issue somewhat but at what cost, size-wise?
I’m neither a Glock fan-boy nor a hater. I’d love to give a few other models a go but just haven’t had much of an opportunity.
Don’t feel bad. Not everyone “gels” with Glocks. Some, like myself, simply won’t buy one simply out of pure pig-headed stubbornness and a refusal to jump on an already overloaded bandwagon.
To be fair, there are one or two Glocks you could gift to me that I wouldn’t immediately sell or exchange for something else: a regular 43 or a 33. But that’s about it. Anything else, even it it were free, would be soon traded.
🤠
That is why I bought a Glock. So that I could have an honest opinion. And then I thought what is the use of owning a firearm that is useless, so I went about getting it set up to work. Oh, yes people who have never fired a firearm other than a Glock think they are the gods’ gift to mankind, like Prometheus’ fire, but for those of us that grew up with original 1911s, the first thing is to get a better trigger. Now, one can fire a round; but wait, nooo! the sights suck. A few hundred dollars more and some decent sights, and so on, and so on, and so on. When it finally worked as it should (and believe me I got a Glock to work decently, I was determined) I could have bought two SIG P226s, well actually, two Legion P226s. It was a fun project, but not cheap.
When I bought nothing but 1911s, I remember, quite well, needing trigger jobs, checkering, Barstow barrels, BoMar sights, better hammers, guiderods, springs…
Annnnnd… you’re full of shit.
Are you saying it took you over 2G to make a Glock work decently by switching the sights and trigger?
“…difficult to argue with the reliability of GLOCKs”.
How so? Seems to me I’ve owned a lot of pistols in my time and reliability hasn’t been the issue that Glock Fan Boys so love to crow about. My Smith & Wessons, Rugers, Colts, assorted other name brands did not have all those “reliability” issues Glock claims to solve. Good guns go bang every time and lots of gun makers make good guns.
Including guns that are MADE IN USA.
And no, Glock’s little building on our shores does not impress me much.
Glocks great advance has been marketing and myth building. That and a gun which by its very design is unsafe at any speed.
You’re right it’s unsafe. That’s why the majority of US Leo’s and US special forces use them.
The secret of Glock’s success in selling to LEOs is campaign contributions and whores. SOCOM wanted a cheap off the shelf pistol and a SOF carry what they want.
The edit function needs to return.
Should read “a lot SOF.guys…”
You left out the fantastic ROI of hookers and blow as marketing tools…
Yeah, for the relative pittance the hookers and nose candy cost, they got a real nice return on that particular investment…
*snicker* 😉
@ENUF. I used to wonder why the left is winning the gun control battle. With comments like yours I completely understand that stupid is as stupid does.
Heck I love Glocks. I have a lot of Glocks and is the only handgun I have been buying now. I trust my life every day to a Glock, for duty and off duty.
They are reliable than any other handgun on the market. To me the Military messed up big time when they went to the Sig.
Can’t wait to get my hands on the New Glock 43X
“They are [more] reliable than any other handgun on the market.”
Sorry, I can’t buy that. While Glock built a well-deserved reputation on reliability, there are other brands today that are just as good. And those other brands might have better triggers and better ergonomics to boot.
A self-defense handgun is a very personal choice. Though Glocks aren’t my personal favorite, I respect anyone’s decision to own one because I know they do what they are designed to do.
It can go right up against a P365 if you can find a 12rd mag to stuff into it. That’s also assuming it shoots as well.
Once again Glock perfects a pistol that is already out there. The Springfield XDS 4″. And they did it without making it fat and tall.
Now I know TTAG is a hot bed of Springfield haters so spare me the hate. All I am saying is that Glock’s latest offerings are basically copies of other companies successful offerings. And given that the XD line is the Glockiest of the not Glocks I have to wonder whether Glock is behind the anti-Springfield movement.
Ironic comment considering Glock popularized striker fired handguns and have sold more pistols than Springfield has sold firearms since opening.
You don’t have to sell as many units to provide effective competition. You only need to provide an equivalent product. There are more genetic buyers than fanboys who are price sensitive. Springfield provides everything Glock does so it puts ceiling on Glock prices and Glock would preferring it’s customers even more. Reciting history is meaningless.
Please restore the edit function.
The 43x is not a copy of the XDS 4.0, it is a copy of the Sig 365. Just about every company offers a single stack 9mm with ~7 round capacity like the XDS 4.0. Glock is not copying the longer slide which is the only thing that makes the XDS 4.0 distinct. Instead they are lengthening the grip and adding capacity which is what the 365 did. And Glock isn’t behind the anti Springfield movement. Springfield supporting anti gun causes in order to get an exemption for themselves is the driving force behind the anti Springfield movement.
Perhaps in your mind but the basic 43 is significantly larger than the 365. It is an XDS sized pistol. Making it bigger does not make it more P365 like. It gets its ten round capacity by extending the grip.
Without someone with clout pushing the story you wouldn’t even know what Springfield did.
Hell, even Remington had the 6rnd R51, which was great in concept until they totally botched its execution; and Remington’s as out of touch & late to the game as anyone (except Glock, and perhaps Colt)
Glock has been losing market share for a long time. Laziness at first, now a tag-a-long approach to innovation. All the innovations are the sort of sloppy thing you saw out of GM in the 1990s – endless caricatures of previously-forefront innovations. This is a common characteristic of corporations on a downward slope. The parallels between Glock and Kodiak in the camera field are startling. I predict right here that one day the name “Glock” will be bought up and slapped on a cheap entry-level pistol made by a South American manufacturer.
I agree that Glock is slowly declining due to a lack of innovation. However, Glock will never go the way of Kodiak. The industry is not close to seeing such a big development like going from film to digital. If laser beam guns become an industry standard and Glock sticks with self contained cartridge guns then they might be in trouble. For now there will be enough Glock fanboys to keep the company relevant in the coming decades.
More like Colt, I’d say, just without the intentionally-destructive anti-gun management folks (I think). Like Colt, Glock failed to adopt, and as patents expired and market demanded development they failed to provide, countless other companies proceeded to make variations or nearasdammit clones of their designs, and either sell them for less money, or produce them to higher quality (for about the same or only slightly higher price).
If the G17 was a revolution because it perfected the use of polymer in pistol frames, I think the P320 is as big or even greater a development in its complete modularity. I think SIG is gonna east Glock’s lunch as their platform becomes more & more common, and more & more configurations & capabilities are borne from development allowed by that modularity. Firecontrolunit claims they can design a 556 AR-style carbine that uses a drop in P320 trigger group. That’s an entirely new level of interchangeability that has simply not existed in firearms up to this point.
There is less to the Sig/Beretta modularity than meets the eye. When you put all the parts together to get a second pistol it’s about $70 less than a complete pistol and you still only have one functional gun. I think most people would prefer two functioning pistols to a single functional plus a 90% pistol. If you live in an environment where you could only have one serial number that would be a game changer.
Was going to say the same thing just in a meaner way… they came up with a slightly differently sized brick, whoopdidoo. I’ll never understand glawk nuts.
@S.Crock
Weapons that fling slugs aren’t going anywhere, ever. Even in space we’re going to have weapons that can accelerate a spec of spacedust to near to the speed of light because the pure energy from an object’s velocity squared is just too good to beat.
Glock is already a cheap entry level pistol albeit one that people will pay premium prices for. The profit margin on these modern plastic wunderwaffen is huge. I am sure Glock would make a profit $350 a unit.
It’s not the “aesthetic” that’s Glock’s problem, Glock’s problems are the grip angle and the absolutely terrible factory trigger. Both the Smith M&P 2.0 and the CZ P10C address those concerns out of the box with the CZ the better pistol of the two but the M&P being American made. The Hudson H9 has them all beat for shootability but is not yet ready for duty gun status as of 20DEC2018. End of story.
“It’s not the “aesthetic” that’s Glock’s problem, Glock’s problems are the grip angle and the absolutely terrible factory trigger.”
That right there is the main reasoning behind me still not owning one. Every time I shoot one I get that feeling. It sucks cause I’d like to like them……cause….guns!
And that right there is the problem with most of you fudds in the gun community, you don’t know shit about weapons and shooting. Grip angle is irrelevant.
Interesting, grip angle is irrelevant? Please explain.
The CZ P-10C (compact), P-10F (Full-size), and P-10S (subcompact) are now made in tne U.S. in Kansas City.
cz-usa[dot]com/product/cz-usa-p-10-series-us-made/
Change [dot] to . in the link address
Glock 26 with the 12 round factory mag is one of my “go to” back up subcompacts. Easy to pocket carry. I sold all of my Glock 43s. They just didn’t have a place in my system (duty gun on my hip and subcompact in my pocket).
I’ve been waiting for Sig to eliminate the bugs from the P365. It’s been my most coveted handgun produced in the last 20 years. If this new Glock 43 retains its similar size (a dozen millimeters here or there accomplishes that goal), with the same capacity, without the primer drag, dead triggers and broken firing pins, it will be the most consequential offering since Glock produced its very first pistol. The Glock 43X, assuming it works, will be the most
purchased pistol, going forward, in the history of mankind.
When you do get your new G43, I would love to compare your primer drag, FTE, etc., to my p365.
I will never in my life buy a plastic-framed gun. That said, the P365 is the first one to actually impress me. I might’ve actually even bought one if I needed a carry gun.
What current bugs might you be talking about Willis?
I have a P365 purchased in late March 2018 (after Sig re-worked the spring rates). At the range yesterday I went over 1400 rounds with ZERO accrued issues. Shooting it with the Federal 124 HST is a pleasant “push” rather than an obnoxious “snap”. Follow-up shots are quick and on target. Primer drag is a non-issue…dead springs and broken firing pins have not happened to me or any of the four other shooters I routinely meet at the range who carry P-365’s.
I’m not dissing the G43’s reliability…however, that said…it is larger, less cartridge capacity, has terrible factory sights / trigger and has (IMO) a “snappish” recoil characteristic.
It boils down to…carry what is comfortable for you and what you can shoot well…I like the diminutive Sig P365…it works for ME.
Your personal 365 not malfunctioning does not magically disqualify the high rate for a firearm of 365s malfunctioning. Some people here and there get Taurus’ that function perfectly fine, doesn’t forgive the fact that they have shoddy reliability at best as a whole.
It is no secret that Sig essentially beta tested the firearm on it’s customers, that it had an extremely high fault rate and poor QC since it’s coming out of the MA factory (failure to return to battery, broken strikers, sights falling off, etc etc etc). Sig Sauer is not what it used to be. Ron Cohen is driving it into the dirt just like he did Kimber before our very eyes. The tactics are even the same. Subpar products with gimmick marketing.
I was initially put off by Sig releasing a new model with reported failures…especially so soon after their P320 fiasco….didn’t change the fact that I wanted one…just because.
Have you actually shot one? There’s a lot to like: size, recoil characteristics, and reliability. It points naturally…just like you’re holding your index finger out.
Granted, the first weapons released had some spring rate issues. Sig immediately remedied the spring problems. BTW, have you asked Sig directly what the problem was? I have. The official story is that one of the sub-contractors supplying certain springs shipped a quantity to Sig that were out of spec. Whether you choose to believe Sig on this or not is your personal call…I find it credible. However, to address your remark about “… extremely high fault rate and poor QC since it’s coming out of the MA factory”…I would appreciate a verifiable citation on your claim and your definition of what constitutes “extremely high”. Statistically, you would think that either myself or one of the five people I know that have P365’s would have experienced the plethora of multiple woes you ascribe to that model…hasn’t happened. Judging by my data sample which spans the early, mid and later releases of the P365, those issues have become moot.
If you hate it so much…don’t buy one.
Have one that was made back in July. Works great, no failures off any kind. That said, I’m only into it about 800 rounds so far.
I have over 1200 rounds through my Sig P365 with only a single failure to eject. I shoot it better than I do my Glock 19. The P365 has available 12rd factory mags which means the 43X is still a couple of rounds short capacity wise.
“What new GLOCK would you like to see hit the market”
Actually, one that fired a bullet every time I squeeze the trigger. Speaking of triggers, one that did not require that I lay out cash for a decent trigger. One that came with useable sights, …, Ok, ok, I know I am dreaming, so while I am still dreaming, why not one that matches this https://fashionista.com/.image/t_share/MTU5NjUwOTEzMTc3MzE0NTE4/fashion-show-2018-elsa-hosk-1-million-dream-angels-fantasy-bra-victorias-secret-hi-res.jpg
meh, too skinny to hold up under sustained hard usage!
My problem with Glock’s smaller pistols is they still want full size prices. My S&W M&P Shield is similar size and holds more ammo for less money and hasn’t presented any problems from day one. I doubt anyone from Glock will read this and if they did most likely wouldn’t care. They have other customers willing to pay the exorbitant price they demand after all. Personally if I was in business to make money I would want every customer possible. I wouldn’t ask full price for a third of the product either though.
Facepalm.
When I saw G43X, I assumed that would be a taller and or longer single stack, which a few people would like. Making a gun that’s only a tiny bit smaller than a g26, but presumably doesn’t take the standard magazines is goofy though. Oh well, there are more Glocktards than you can shake a stick at, so I’m sure it will sell.
Every time I attended a Glock armor’s school or stopped by the Glock both at SHOT I would suggest a full size, single stack, 45 ACP. One Glock rep handed me the then new 45 GAP. Yawn. Another said, ‘The only people that would buy them are 1911 shooters.’ I said, “I wonder how many of those there are in the United States? Oh, but I’m sorry, I thought you were in the business of selling pistols.” He wasn’t amused. On the 18, I spent a day on the range with one. No malfunctions. With the compact Fobus shoulder stock, and after getting used to it, it was no problem keeping 2-3 rds in the head at 7 yards.
Glock hasn’t done anything new since they introduced the 17 to the world in the 1980s. They stay consistently between a decade and a few years behind on trends in the industry. But I can’t fault them because simply avoiding quality control blunders and selling guns simply based off of their name has been working well. Sure this is an obvious attempt to copy the 365 but Sig traded innovation for their reputation as a quality gun maker a few years ago.
Nobody ever mentions Glocks best kept secret, the Gen. 3, Short Frame Glocks, I’ve got a 21SF and a 30SF. Bought the 30SF first, liked it so much I went back the next day and bought a 21SF. I even found an aftermarket, Korean 25 round magazine that feeds every thing I’ve tried in it so far. After all, if you need more than one 25 round stick, chances are they’ll be burying you with it. I’ve never had a fail to feed or fire. If I ever absolutely can’t live without a carbine, I’ll buy a Kriss with no regrets, they haven’t gotten any less ugly, but after all, you don’t look at it while your shooting it. At first, I though it was the ugliest, most stupid looking firearm I’d ever seen and I still wouldn’t waste a minute arguing about it. If something looks stupid, but works, it’s not stupid. And you know something, they’re accurate, they work, the design does reduce recoil and any time I’ve been on the range with one, after all the talk, everybody always still wants to try it. I can convert either or both of the pistols to 10MM with a barrel, recoil spring and magazine change. I used to carry a full size 1911a1 and an Officers model Colt for a backup. That was a total of 16 rounds.The 21SF alone, holds 18 rounds with the +4 AR. magazine extension and conceals in a OWB paddle holster under a 2X polo shirt with a laser/light combo attached. AZ is a ConCarry state so I don’t worry too much about that, but I’ve never been made. My friends are brutally honest, if I printed, I’d hear about it. The 30SF is perfect in a Tuff Products pocketRoo holster, holds twice as much ammo and weighs less than the SP 101 I used to pocket carry, with the factory 9 round magazine I can carry a total of 28 rounds. You can never have too much ammo. And that 30SF is small, it uses proprietary rifling and is more accurate than any pistol that small should be. I can even use the Kriss 25 round magazines if I want, they’re expensive, and a little funny looking, but, once again, the only thing that matters to me is that they work. The best thing about .45 ACP, HP is that no matter what you hit with it, the bullets never get any smaller. I’ve shot both of these pistols a lot, I clean and lube ’em a little once a week, rotate the magazines once a month and I’m good to go. I find something that works, I’ve learned to stay with it.-30-
Here in CA, gen 3’s are all we can buy (LE can buy gen 4 and 5), therefore they sell very well. I personally am having fun modding my 19 gen 3 (removed finger grooves, double trigger undercut, grip reduction, scalloped mag release) customized for my hands via Dremel. As long as we have the handgun roster, Glock gen 3’s will sell very well. As for concealed carry in CA, the Shield is the most popular with the Glock 19 being second.
My P365 is far easier to carry than my G19 even with the 12 round mag. The G43 was too rounds limited compared to the Shield I use to carry, at least without adding a + 2 baseplate, so I never even considered it. Will the P365 continue to function as flawlessly as the G19 or the Shield? No way to know, but it has had no failures since I got it, though it is a July production gun and I have only been running it for five months, with a bit less range time than usual.
You are making a false comparison. The two pistols are designed for different requirements. If subcompacts could fill the role of a full sized gun the Army would have selected a pocket pistol for the next service pistol. Like all pocket pistols, the P365 is meant for close in personal defense where you aren’t going require a lot of rounds or a high level of accuracy. The 12 round capacity is a nice marketing touch because many concealed carriers think more capacity is better. If you are ever in situation where you need the 12 rounds chances are you will have to engage targets beyond the practical effective range of the pistol.
More capacity is better! How is it not?! I’ve never heard anyone thats fired shots in a gunfight that said gee, I wish I had less ammo. 🤦♂️
And here we have an example of successful marketing. How many rounds are you going to fire at 3-5 yards in 3-5 seconds? You are making the common mistake of confusing s short gunfight in a DGU with a prolonged gun battle.
You are not agreeing with the gun grabbers if you acknowledge that you probably won’t exhaust a 7 round magazine in a DGU.
And you make an even more fatalistic mistake thinking that a defensive gun use will involve only 1 attacker. The internet is littered, and is well represented on the YouTube channel Active Self Protection, with an alarming amount of attacks involving multiple attackers. More and more, home invasions are happening with 2 and 3 attackers. Defending oneself successfully can easily require 7,8 or 9 rounds. Having less on hand is a choice to unnecessarily handicapp yourself.
I’ll always opt for more ammo over less. I’ve read too many stories about, as you say, homeowners attacked by multiple thugs — sometimes 3 or 4. Maybe 2 or 3 shots scares them off. Maybe you miss with 2 or 3 shots, and have 3 or 4 left with a 7-round mag. A lot of maybes that more ammo can help with.
Odds of it happening are very slim. I carry assuming it does happen, and if it does, what do I want to have on me? More, not less.
I carried a Shield .40 for a bit, and just never felt comfortable with 7 + 1. I carry a Glock 21 now, 13+1. Sometimes I carry my Glock 17 with 17+1.
To each his own. Whatever we carry, at least if we carry, we can defend ourselves and those in our home or vicinity. Better 7+1 than nothing, by all means. I’m all for everybody carrying, from the NAA tiny .22’s to whatever someone likes.
Active Self Protection is a crock unless you hang with the bangers or live in a third world S-Hole. If you are concerned about multiple attackers carry a service pistol. A sub compact or pocket pistol isn’t designed for to fend off a gang of ninjas. It is for close in personal defense or backup. Putting more rounds in a tiny pistol is marginal and probably isn’t going to save you.
“…or a high level of accuracy. ”
Apparently you have not actually shot the P365. Out to 20 yards it is as accurate as any other quality defensive-use pistol that I have shot…(the overriding limitation is me…I’ve noticed that most modern pistols capabilities exceed those of the person wielding them)…but, 20 yards covers inside my home, my curtilage and just about any DGU in public that I can envision.
Have you it shot while moving? Against a moving target? I can hit fixed targets at 25-30 yards with any pistol when I am standing still and facing directly at it. Sight radius and recoil make a big difference when you are facing dynamic target.
Yes.
Yesterday at the range, my usual group of retiree shooters set up three photo realistic targets (one hostage target and two with some kind of cover (wall) protecting half of the assailant). We ran multiple scenarios ranging from reduced lighting to left – right barricade to moving towards the target and / or the target carriers moving towards us. Maximum range was 20 yards – minimum was 5 yards. My 365 held it’s own with the (stock) Glock 19, P320 RX and 1911 (Springfield TRP) that also participated. Most of us are old IPSC shooters and very rarely are “…standing still and facing directly at it.” The only time we stand still and shoot directly is when we are shooting bullseye…gotta love bullseye, gives me an excuse to drag out my old 586 and Smith Model 52…just for grins and giggles.
You are a better man than I. The smalker the pistol the worse I do when I move. Pretty good with a Browning design in dynamic situations but I drop by at least 50% with subcompact plastic pistol.
Nice Glock 17!
They look all the same to me.
You can’t fly like an Eagle if you hang with Glock Turkeys.
Hasn’t the market for carry 9 at 1 inch or less width been saturated yet?
It should be down to scant mm’s, ounces, reviews and price points now.
I’m good with the choices available xds, PPS m2, G43, shield, Kahr…
Wait, so they “innovated” by putting the 43 slide on the old 26 frame? lol. The 43X will actually be 9mm taller, and 1mm narrower than the old 10+1 Baby Glock. Buuuut, it’ll probably require all new magazines. The Glock fanboys will still eat it up.
So it’s actually G26S (remember G30S? Glock 30 frame, Glock 36 slide).
in the 80s, Glock was innovative and revolutionary.
now they are playing catch-up to Sig.
Always amazes me how the gun rights people have no qualms about attacking each other over the technical details of a particular firearm. Whereas the alt left stick together and are absolutely loyal to each other no matter how insane their ideas are. Wonder who’s gonna win the gun control battle?
I’m hoping SHOT show brings us the Glock 26XX – a G26 slide on a G17 frame.
Not any stupider than anything else talked about in this thread
If I want a disposable pistol I can leave in the toolbox or tractor, and not care what happens to it, I will by a Glock. If I want top shelf quality without having to invest any additional funds on triggers, sights, slide work etc., , than I will buy a Kriss Sphinx, CZ, or HK.
BTW, Glock did not make Glock famous, Hollywood did. The thing I like best about Glock is the opportunity for a gang-banger to shoot himself in the junk while carrying mexican style.
There are two types of Glock owners…. the owners who spend twice as much as the initial investment to “improve” it, or the the guys who drink the kool-aid and could not name two or three other pistol manufactures if their life depended on it.
I have owned nearly every manufactures pistol out there, including the oddball (and terrible) Boberg and Steyr, (jammo-matic) along with FN, Sig, S&W, Kahr (no thank you… piece of junk!), XD series, Ruger, , Walther, Glock, HK, Sphinx etc., etc.
I have owned many, but actually kept few. If I want a pistol which is un-remarkable, un-memorable, inexpensive, has terrible ergonomics, crappy sights, feels cheap and is no more reliable than my guns of German and Swiss heritage, than I will by a Glock.
So Glock is like APPLE iPhones. Always playing catch up. Their answer to the SIG P365 is all this is. Blah blah blah, Glock this and that, blah blah blah.
Who gives a rats ass.
I’ll keep all my S&W M&P’s
Competition in the market place huh…
Wesson and Colt stopped selling to the South over the fake slavery issue. It was NOT the issue that caused the war…Abe made it into that way 2yrs after the start…it was about New York needing our cotton on the cheap…they got it, but the immigrants cheated. We wont let that happen again.
I won’t touch their un-AMERICAN crap.
Glock is more American than wesson and colt.
You will buy a new trigger for the 365, it is so sad…
G43X has some shop work like on the G19X along with a match barrel…Smaller than a 19 but a nice handle…fills the contours of the palm…the trigger of the 365, just sucks.
Love my Sig 556 piston and my FNAR 7.62 piston…carry a Glock 31…9mm with the powder of 40 kicking it in the butt.
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