Everyone’s favorite A-rated Senate Democrat, West Virginia’s Joe Manchin has arrived at a compromise background check deal with Pennsy Republican Pat Toomey. Think of it as a modified semi almost partially universal background check system. As the two lawmakers announced this morning, under their plan all transactions through gun stores, on line or at gun shows would be required to pass through the NICS system. Sales between individuals, though, would remain off the books . . .
“Candidly, I don’t consider criminal background checks to be gun control. I think it’s just common sense,” Toomey said.
Though the deal’s specific language hasn’t been revealed, the two compromise-minded lawmakers tried to assure the nation’s gun owners that sales cleared by the FBI’s instant background check system would not lead to national registration. As Toomey intoned:
“The worries that we hear sometimes about background checks leading to an erosion of our second amendment rights – that simply hasn’t happened. And we’ve got to make sure that it doesn’t.”
It remains an open question as to whether the deal will be incorporated into whatever artfully crafted gun control bill Harry Reid manages to bring to the floor (assuming it’s not filibustered), or voted on separately as an amendment to the bill some time next week. Does that work for you?
So basically they’re try to pass a law that is in effect a duplicate of existing law.
+1
“Closing the gun show loophole”
No machinegun sales at Walmart anymore, awe shucks. Next thing you know felons won’t be able to CC firearms, Randy
#commentwin
+1000
You may pass Go; you may collect 200 dollars. Brilliant.
My wife and I were just saying the same thing.
Here in South Carolina, if I want to buy a gun from a dealer, I have to get a background check. if I want to buy a gun over the Internet, I have to have it sent through an FFL (my local dealer) who does a background check. When I buy a gun a t a gun show, I have to…wait for it…have a background check. NOTHING WILL CHANGE.
As for person-to-person purchases, there are no restrictions within the state of South Carolina requiring background checks. So again, NOTHING WILL CHANGE.
So….what about sales between individuals at gun shows?
Take it to the parking lot, and you’re probably okay.
My predictions:
(1) Any sale that will occur on the grounds of a gun show will have to go through the NICS.
(2) Internet sales will not mean buying a firearm from someone and having it shipped to your FFL, which already requires an NICS check. It will mean any two private parties that connect online to do a sale will have to meet at an FFL to conclude the sale.
All of these erosions are attempts at diminishing the culture that gives rise to the enjoyment of firearms. That’s what they’re really after. Pass the art to your kids, grandkids, and your friends and family members. That is our most effective counter-attack measure.
If it is private party, i.e. neither of you are FFL dealers, and it is done in the parking lot as it were, my guess would be it would be off the books.
I think I oppose it, but spoken words are cheap. Show me what’s in writing.
Okay, now a new Yahoo press release has this…..Both Toomey and Manchin are gun owners and have an A rating from the National Rifle Association, the largest pro-gun lobby group. Toomey said he added some provisions to strengthen gun rights in the bill, including allowing a legal gun owner to take his or her concealed weapon over state lines, even if that state does not allow concealed carry.
Hmm. This seems like a big deal to me. Would this trump state laws? For example, South Carolina and Georgia do not have reciprocity. Would that remove that restriction?
From what I understand, if National Reciprocity were to pass, if you had a CC permit you could even go to NYS or any other very restrictive state and carry legally. But, and that’s a big but, you would still have to abide by their gun laws. I could be wrong….anybody know better?
I think what would make National Reciprocity even better, would be, that if your state has no restrictions on magazine capacity or type of weapon you’re good to go anywhere….but I’m only dreaming here!
What’s different in that than what we already have?
This is a bad bill. A “gun control” bill. It eliminates the “gun show loophole”. Either it’s a right or it’s not. And of course, background checks can at best inconvenience a violent person. This bill would have done nothing at Newtown.
Forgive my ignorance, but other than optics, how does this change the current situation?
It will require all sales done at a gun show to go though a background check and it doesn’t mater if the seller is an FFL or a private person dumping one of there old 10/22 also have heard reference to it effect inet gun sales as well. Depending on the language of the bill it could open back up inet retailer shipping direct to your door again. But it all comes down to the actual language in the bill. It could be a huge step forward in gun registrations or it could actually allow us to bypass local FFL (depending on the state of curse).
Thanks
Robert
“… the state of curse”. A very fitting typo.
That law already exist in South Carolina. I thought that was the way all across the country.
All transactions through an FFL already go through a NICS check, that’s pretty much all gun shop, gun show and Internet sales. Not sure what this bill actually does.
In theory you could buy a gun off gunbroker from a local state resident and meet them to complete the transaction. As it would be a FTF sale to same state residents there would be no BG check in some states.
It only closes gun show sales as many of those do not require a NIC’s check. In my state gun show sales are considered private to private.
So I guess you go across the street now and complete the sale with no NIC’s check?
Also I think private to private Internet sales will require a NIC’s check? Cant imagine that happens a lot but I guess it does.
One possible good outcome would be Internet sales direct to your house. Today if you buy a gun on the Internet you must ship it to your local FFL to then get a NIC’s check. It sounds like the remote seller can now perform the NIC’s check at the time of the Internet sale….then ship to your house?
Some states allow a CWL to substitute for the phone in check. I imagine that will be going away if this passes.
It might, but honestly, why should it? I had to have a background check to get my license, so I’m already “clear”.
In Ky. my CCDW card eliminates the need for the NICS check at the gun store. However, that’s because if you have a CCDW card the state computers run a check on you once a month.
Seeing the news conference Toomey stated that the mentally ill and insane should not have guns, and that he has never meet someone that disagrees with him. He also stated that the question is how to prevent those mentally ill and insane from getting guns.
I believe that is the wrong question. The question is what should define mentally ill? Does a judge have to say you are mentally ill? If so, that is already the law. If not, who can say it? Can my neighbor? How about an anti gunner? How about a democrat calling a republican insane? How about a doctor? What if the doctor is wrong?
“Toomey stated that the mentally ill and insane should not have guns”
Then we must disarm the political class.
^^^This is the crux of the issue ^^^^
Determining who is a “credible danger to themselves and others” (to which all mass shooter profiles would fit) is the problem.
How that gets done so that it is effective in preventing a truly dangerous person from getting a gun and yet doesn’t step on the rights of a sane person who is merely on anxiety meds is the only thing I can determine is new here.
It seems the politicians keep pushing this country closer and closer to a point where the people start pushing back.
We already have. That is how we dwindled the bill down to this. The question is on the states that are now squeezing tighter on their citizens rights. How close is it to boiling over into an armed confrontation?
http://www.toomey.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=965
TITLE ONE: GETTING ALL THE NAMES OF PROHIBITED PURCHASERS INTO THE BACKGROUND CHECK SYSTEM
Summary of Title I: This section improves background checks for firearms by strengthening the instant check system.
– Encourage states to provide all their available records to NICS by restricting federal funds to states who do not comply.
– Allow dealers to voluntarily use the NICS database to run background checks on their prospective employees.
– Clarifies that submissions of mental health records into the NICS system are not prohibited by federal privacy laws (HIPAA).
– Provides a legal process for a veteran to contest his/her placement in NICS when there is no basis for barring the right to own a firearm.
TITLE TWO: REQUIRING BACKGROUND CHECKS FOR FIREARM SALES
Summary of Title II: This section of the bill requires background checks for sales at gun shows and online while securing certain aspects of 2nd Amendment rights for law abiding citizens.
– Closes the gun show and other loopholes while exempting temporary transfers and transfers between family members.
– Fixes interstate travel laws for sportsmen who transport their firearms across state lines in a responsible manner. The term “transport” includes staying in temporary lodging overnight, stopping for food, buying fuel, vehicle maintenance, and medical treatment.
– Protects sellers from lawsuits if the weapon cleared through the expanded background checks and is subsequently used in a crime. This is the same treatment gun dealers receive now.
– Allows dealers to complete transactions at gun shows that take place in a state for which they are not a resident.
– Requires that if a background check at a gun show does not result in a definitive response from NICS within 48 hours, the sale may proceed. After four years, when the NICS improvements are completed, the background check would clear in 24 hours. Current law is three business days.
– Requires the FBI to give priority to finalizing background checks at gun shows over checks at store front dealerships.
– Authorizes use of a state concealed carry permit instead of a background check when purchasing a firearm from a dealer.
– Permits interstate handgun sales from dealers.
– Allows active military to buy firearms in their home states.
– Family transfers and some private sales (friends, neighbors, other individuals) are exempt from background checks
TITLE THREE: NATIONAL COMMISSION ON MASS VIOLENCE
Summary of Title III: : This section of the bill creates a commission to study the causes of mass violence in the United States, looking at all aspects of the problem, including guns, school safety, mental health, and violent media or video games.
The Commission would consist of six experts appointed by the Senate Majority Leader and six experts appointed by the Speaker of the House. They would be required to submit an interim report in three months and a completed report in six months.
WHAT THE BILL WILL NOT DO
The bill will not take away anyone’s guns.
The bill will not ban any type of firearm.
The bill will not ban or restrict the use of any kind of bullet or any size clip or magazine.
The bill will not create a national registry; in fact, it specifically makes it illegal to establish any such registry.
The bill will not, in any way at all, infringe upon the Constitutional rights of law-abiding citizens.
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Room for cautious optimism, at least until we see the actual text of the bill
And it will be voted on as an amendment , supplanting Schumer’s bill.
“- Fixes interstate travel laws for sportsmen who transport their firearms across state lines in a responsible manner. The term “transport” includes staying in temporary lodging overnight, stopping for food, buying fuel, vehicle maintenance, and medical treatment.”
How is this not what the FOPA demands and that NYC and NJ shit on every chance they get?
Actually, if I read it right, this is hugely important. Get delayed at a NYC airport, take your luggage to a hotel to spend the night and currently you’re a felon.
I think I just became a “Sportsman.”
Still processing, but some of that actually seems better than what we have now. I have a FL CCL, and while it exempts me from a waiting period, I still have to pony up and wait on the background check (an hour long wait occasionally).
right “make it illegal to start a registry”…yeah the government has never done anything illegal!!!….EVER!!!fast and furious…hmmmm
Our the gun grabbers really this clueless? I know a lot of people think it is an act to cover their malfeasance, but then I see this proposal that appears to be more “doing something”.
I don’t know of any way I can purchase a brand new firearm without a background check. The real “gun show loophole” has been closed for awhile. The last firearm I purchased at a show from a dealer I had to *gasp* pass an NCIS check.
What is “At a gunshow” is it within the confines of exhibition hall? Halls of the venue? Bathrooms? Snack lines? Does it extend to common areas of a convention center? Sidewalks of the venue? Parking lot of the venue? Parking lots adjacent to the venue? Inside people’s vehicles?
This compromise reeks of more ways to hound and abuse law abiding gun owners with no real chance of doing anything to stop criminals, well other than make LAGO’s criminals.
Also, how exactly are the Feds gonna shoehorn sales that take place at a state level gun show, under the commerce clause?
Without applying to all sales and without requiring that you report lost or stolen guns, the program can’t serve as a complete registry. The tragic boating accident defense still works. We need to see the language of the bill to know for sure.
Having a bill like this does present some opportunities. If it is allowed to come to the floor, that gives us a chance to tack on a bunch of pro-gun amendments. Nationwide recognition of concealed carry permits and strengthening of the interstate transport protection would be nice. Also, making its easier to buy suppressors (long shot), or at least funding for more NFA examiners would be nice.
I find something like this extremely unfair. I had gone to my doctor because I was having problems sleeping, she prescribed me anti anxiety pills (which I never took, I threw them out) but it really upset me that she had done that, I thought she was giving me something for sleep until I got home and read the pill information. It’s upsetting knowing that this prescription is now on my file and seeing this article it now scares me that it is there.
“But ultimately it’s you, our readers, who keep us honest.”
How about we start with this gem:
“Yes, well, I’ve been a journalist for 732 years now and grew up in Rhode Island.”
If someone has found the fountain of youth please let me know. If this is sarcasm then I’m the literalist retard.
Like you, I have trouble accepting that RI is a real place, but I’ll go against my gut instinct and take Robert’s word on this.
What about online purchases of C&R firearms by 03 Licensees?
Good review. I’ve been wanting to see one of these in person ever since picking up my new Colt Gold Cup. I’ve been impressed by the fit and finish of the new CNC Colts. Can’t wait to check one out in person.
Reid, talks about UBC’s then says, 90% of Americans want something done to reduce Gun violence. Implying that the 90% are for UBC. Listen to his quotes.
My bet is that 100% want something . But THAT something is nothing if THAT something is a laws that does nothing. (I know, you gotta read it twice).
The children deserve a vote? If you stop and think about it, Adam Lanza is the one who is getting the vote. His vote was for a law that says, “because I am an insane criminal, every one else should be assumed to be the same as me and treated accordingly”.
90% of people wanting something that has no effect on the problem is exactly why we live in a republic…if we can keep it.
So it sounds like this does nothing? What is the point?
Present something that “reasonable people” will agreee are “common sense solutions”, and then vilify those who point out that there are already existing laws covering this stuff as “unreasonable” & “fear-mongers”?
Fear & ignorance rules.
We pay for this crap.
I hate it. I haven’t read it but if Manchin and Toomey are behind it then its not in Gun Guys best interest.
Additionally though and you all will hate me for it but I’ve seen the warm up act for this to happen and our side was silent while the Gun Grabbers filled the airways with there propaganda. We need better leadership than what the NRA is providing. Maybe GOA is the answer but the NRA isn’t. They wait till this morning to come out against this? Really? SORRY BUT THAT”S BULLSHIT!
Not buying this for second. It’s all BS until we see the actual language of the law.
Compromise means we are getting something in return… I seriously doubt that.
How about repealing the Hughes Amendment and NFA as show of good faith on their part?
BTW, none of this would have done anything to stop the Newtown or Aurora shootings.
Lanza failed every background check the FFLs gave him and Aurora passed the background check when he purchased his guns.
It’s all a smoke screen for their real agenda, total civilian disarmament.
Online gun sales have to go through NICS…
So I can have a firearm from Impact Guns shipped directly to my house?
Could be awesome…
This is all a sham.
So how is this enforced? I mean, if 2 people meet online, and decided to sell guns to each other, how is it going to be tracked down? What defines an online sale? Lots here that I think is unenforceable.
C’mon, Steve-O. We’re doing this for the CHILDREN. Does your wife know you don’t care? Why do you hate children? Where does that hatred come from? Pleeeez, don’t be a H8er.
“… would be required to pass through the NICS system.”
So will states still have the right to use their own methods? For instance we use TBI (Tennessee Bearu of Investigations). Will all states be required to use the NICS instead?
When I was in High School (in CT mind you) we watched Michael Moore in history class. That should explain alot.
As a 1911 fanboy I am impressed with the artistry of the New Agent. However, I won’t go below a 4″ barrel on 45 but if I wanted a subcompact in the big caliber I think the XD-s, at half the price, is a better buy even though it lacks the panache of a JMB design
I’ve been carrying a government for some time now and it isn’t until the summers that I think about a smaller model. Would you say there is much of a difference between the officer model and a commander in feel, weight, and concealmet? I’ve been torn between the Defender and an XSE and I’ve been unable to make up my mind.
I can’t compare a New Agent/Defender to a Commander, but I can compare a New Agent to a CCO (Commander slide, Officers frame).
To me, the CCO isn’t really any harder to conceal than the smaller Officers models but it does shoot better.
On the other hand, my alloy framed CCO is definitely easier to carry than my steel framed Government model.
IMHO, CCO style 1911s are a hidden secret in the 1911 world. Best CCW 1911s out there.
I would like to see a no waiting period attached to this. that way it would trump state waiting periods no? We already have a 10 day wait that they want to extend to 15. All sales whether private or FFL go through a back ground check. If this bill is done the right way it might actually help Californians!
Of course it is going to be in a package of garbage that no one wants to pass so all this is BS anyways.
toomey’s phrase “…and we’ve GOT TO MAKE SURE that it doesn’t [lead to erosion of 2A rights, yada yada]…” means it isn’t sewn up tight enough yet to make sure that won’t happen…there’s their out 🙁
Everyone needs to quit talking about a protest and do it. I suggest 6/3/13. If no one shows up to protest the FOID and CC problem. Then quit complaining. See u in springfield
Remember, NY cops have those ridiculously stupid heavy trigger springs in their pistols. The fact that they can’t hit a barn door with their most important 1st shot, has got to create anxiety when they have to pull their Glocks. Political correctness, muck muck muck.
TO: All
RE: The Fools!
Background checks amount to registration. And registration always leads to confiscation.
The only reason they aren’t talking about person-to-person transfers being covered is because it’s impossible to track such.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out…..]
I’ve had a Colt New Agent for a while, it’s an awesome gun once you understand its limits. It’s a chopped down 1911, so no it won’t run like a Glock… But take care of it, and it’ll take care of you. Colt has done a good job of making these little 1911s run a lot more reliably than the internet would have you believe.
Honestly, chose it over the Defender and other competing 3″ 1911s because I love the way it looks. Clean and simple, classic blued steel and wood grips. No modern frills, just a classic 1911 chopped down to a more manageable size. Makes a great companion to my WW2 era GI 1911.
It’s got a bit of a kick to it, but it shoots better than you might expect. The “sights” (or lack thereof) are not as precise as traditional sights and take some getting used to, but they definitely work.
Made the “mistake” of buying a Colt CCO, and fell head over heels in love… So my New Agent doesn’t get carried much anymore. But it’s still a great gun, I’d recommend it if you’re a 1911 fan and want a 3 incher.
Glad to hear it went better. Loving this series.
As usual Colt is 40 years behind the curve
40 years would be a vast improvement from where they normally are.
Awesome! Please don’t stop these articles Nick, I am having too good of a time living vicariously through your experiences.
Even if the legislation, in its current form, is not dangerous,watch out for the amendments that we probably won’t see til after it is voted on. From my understanding, the 1986 federal legislation was considered a good thing until the addition of the Hughes Amendment in the last few minutes.
Also, walking into the parking lot of he gun show may not save you from ATF harassment. If the buyer turns out to be an undercover ATF agent or LEO, they may try to charge you anyway for an illegal sale or at least confiscate the gun and cash even if charges are never brought.
The last time I checked, drinking, smoking, and driving, in any combination, are not protected rights in the Constitution, but the right to keep and bear arms, is.
I am officially confused. I bought a gun online recently and it had to go an FFL and I had to visit when it was received to fill out all of the background check forms. There was also a 72hour waiting period.
Did I not get a background check for my online purchase?
Just waiting for my boxes for my F and C. Picking up a Glock 19 to tide me over until it’s returned.
Wonder how Bloomturd and Schemer are going to take this ? It’s still crap and doesn’t change anything for me being a NY resident.
It just hit me. You know what this does right? The Government by doing this just built from the ground up, a black market for firearms. If I am right on that, then this will lead to more regulation and its how they tie it down. You make it like you do drugs…..see where I am going? War on drugs, the War on guns will be next.
That first paragraph was a riot, especially the “don’t be such a fatass” part. Nice to see its not all gloom now adays.
So many people have touched on things that are important. Most of them are things we need to be doing or need to be doing more.
It’s been said before by those far more talented than I am, that we don’t get to go into this war with the NRA/GOA/SAF we want. We go into it with the one we have. In spite of our misgivings about one or more of these organizations, or those who speak for them, we absolutely must support them! And they must support each other.
This is going to be a long fight. Long as in never-ending. The anti-rights folks will never quit. So, we must win and we must continue to win…and teach the next generation of pro-rights people to do the same thing.
When the current flurry of activity ends, we will have no time for rest. Rather, we must increase our efforts. It’s easy to believe we can rest, or coast along. We do so, forgetting the lesson of nature. In nature, and in all human activity, there is no such thing as stasis. We either grow or we decline. To believe in stasis is to accept decline and a slow, gradual death. Our only choice is to grow.
We must absolutely understand how the other side understands the concept of “narrative”. Narrative is not a story or a collection of facts. Narrative is the TELLING of a story or collection of facts. In post-modern thought, which is so prevalent among those who are anti-rights, truth is not simply (or sometimes ever) found in the facts. Rather, truth is found in that “encounter between the hearer/reader and the narrative”. Until we understand this, and learn to use the narrative to our advantage, we have little chance of reaching many of those in our current culture. This doesn’t mean we must (or even should) lie as our opponents sometimes do. It means we must understand the absolute importance of narrative as well as our opponents…and they understand it very well, indeed. As a result, they are very successful in appealing to a huge percentage of the population.
Think MD is bad? Try RI. If Forrest Gump (sorry..Gov. Chafee) has his way only the AG’s office (“may issue”) will be the issuing authority. The individual towns (“shall issue” for the most part) will no longer have the right.
Wake Up!! Do you really think you can trust these weasels? Go to GOA and see what they are really trying to pass. They want all your guns. Don’t you get it? One bite now. Bigger bite next time. No wonder they’re emboldened. Some of you gullible “gun guys” amaze me. Won’t affect you?? HA HA HA HA HA
Do it to it man. Keep these coming! I’m loving them.
A law bidibg guy and father of 2 or 3 in buffalo got a Letter this week that he had to give up his 7 guns due to his Dr prescribing anti anxiety meds..where’s the story on this site..that is usually 4 days behind. Its all over the NY papers
Good luck Kenn, president insano will happily kill blacks along with whites & your preaching will help, never thought I’d say that, Randy
Hmmm… Whataburger…
NOT ONE MORE INCH!
These moving targets…er drones should give hunters a taste of daddy o’s love,lol, Randy
If PETA’s use would be considered a ‘commercial use’ they are going to have a heck of a time getting the FAA to allow it, as last I heard the FAA just isn’t given any such things out (politifact got the same information: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/mar/11/dianne-feinstein/regulation-commercial-drones/ )
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well if the crap they are trying to pass isnt bad enough the flippin phone number to DC arent being answerd!!!these ppl are IDIOTS!!!
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First it was BG checks when buying from dealers, now it’s from private and dealer sales at ‘gun shows’, next it’ll be the parking lot of the gun show, then within a city or town hosting a gun show, and then….
Not that any of this would have any bearing on me since I live in CA anyway. Some are even speculating that it might help restrict CA law. And even if it were true, I wouldn’t support this, or any, federal do-nothing bill that allows for yet more infringement on our rights.
It was my understanding that the constitutional rational for the federal government to be involved with background checks was through the commerce clause. That is since the weapons travelled across state lines the federal government could legislate in this area. They then set up federally licensed firearms (FFL) dealers and if you bought a weapon through an FFL they were required to do a background check. Once you bought the weapon however that was your property and if you wanted to sell it to another citizen from your state that was not under the purview of the federal government. The state government could legislate in this area however. Am I mistaken in this thinking. I’d like to hear Senator Cruz or Rubio address this issue.
Here’s something we can do:
Continue/increase our efforts to keep hunting humane, and encourage fellow hunters to do the same, especially the ones who need work in this area.
Not only will this decrease the incentive for them to send drones and interfere with hunting, but will decrease the chance of them pushing towards more restrictions on responsible gun ownership in general, outside of the hunting world.
We must remember that while there’s always a risk in hunting, a misplaced shot can indeed cause many agonizing hours or days to a feeling animal. Make sure you are completely confident in your shot, even if it means lost kills, lost time, etc. I know that maybe some pests eat away at your livelihood, but at the risk of sounding too compassionate, think how it would feel to be shot through the thigh and have to live with it.
As to the strangely placed term “high-powered guns”, I guess we’re supposed to think of high-powered as more dangerous, more scary, more bad, and ignore the fact that high-powered is more humane than low-powered. Fascinating.
After innumerable discussions with gun grabbers, I have come to the conclusion that they do not know or understand our form of government, that the People, not the government, is sovereign. They have not read the Declaration of Independence. They have not read the Constitution, they do not understand that the Bill of Rights guarantees are not freedoms granted to us by the government but instead freedoms that we reserved to ourselves that the government has no power to take away. People who have been enslaved by their government and escaped, who have had to pass a citizenship test, these people understand freedom.
yup ^^^
“- Provides a legal process for a veteran to contest his/her placement in NICS when there is no basis for barring the right to own a firearm.”
If there is no mechanism for non-veterans than this looks like a clear violation of equal protection.
In my personal experience as a surgeon, the biggest problem in mental health is lack of resources. Inpatient psych is a big money loser and more and more hospitals are dropping it. The lack of beds has raised the threshold for involuntary commitment to the point that people who should have been kept for observation are instead discharged for outpatient followup.
The current standards for involuntary commitment are too high. A florid psychotic who lives on the streets, communicates with martians, refuses meds and has a history of violence can walk out the door if they deny any CURRENT plans to hurt themselves or others.
I believe the mental health requirement could be workable if it specifies “high risk of violence”, requires 2 physicians instead of 1, is temporary pending judicial appeal with the burden of proof on the state to show cause and requires renewal every year. Instead of confiscation, there should be an option to turn the guns over to a third party, who would be legally responsible for holding them or selling them.
Responsible clinicians would try to make a voluntary safety plan. The law needs to give them a safe harbor as well.
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It’s been years since I bought anything from Remington except ammo. I’m already boycotting their ammo by virtue of the fact that it, like other brands, is largely unobtanium right now.
While no inherent lover of Remmy post Cerberus, as an upstater in a region that is pushing over 8% unemployment, I cannot help but appreciate a company that is able to extort a substantial sum of money from the very people bent on their destruction, ultimately allowing for the company to stay in place where they exist as the very lifeblood of the town.
There is no Ilion, NY without Remington.
Not saying I will never buy from Remington but they are further from the top of the list than they where before I read this…
“Encourage and Facilitate the Voluntary Surrender of Lawfully-Owned Firearms for Safekeeping During Periods of Crisis”
Are they crazy………this is when you need it the most.
Ha ha. How many of the poor bastards on this forum actually fell for the lies and voted for this ‘Static Duo’ in the last election.
I hope you morons learned your lesson.
Never vote libtard (democrat) AGAIN!!!
When I read the original article, I got the impression that they were talking about pattern recognition of guns displayed in the open, which is certainly possible with current technology.
What I wondered about: Not too long ago, there was a lot of talk of millimeter-range radar that could detect concealed weapons. It was intended for deployment on vehicles so LEOs could patrol the street and scan the sidewalks. I haven’t heard too much about this lately, which either means (IMO) that it’s been dropped as unworkable, or that it’s been deployed and isn’t being talked about.
If it (millimeter radar) is actually being deployed, it ought to be deployable on drones, enabling scanning for concealed weapons just about anywhere.
Just my musings.
Wow, between Conneticutt, New York and California, it’s like an epic race to the bottom…