“Vice President Joe Biden indicated Wednesday that the president will be able to take executive action to combat gun violence as he kicked off one of several meetings this week in response to the Newtown shooting,” politico.com reports. “‘We’re here today to deal with a problem that requires immediate action, urgent action,’ Biden said at the start of a meeting with leaders from gun control groups and several victims of gun violence. ‘The president is going to act. There are executive orders, executive action that can be taken. We haven’t decided what that is yet, but we’re compiling it all … as well as legislative action, we believe, is required.'” TTAGs legal eagle and political strategist Ralph reckons Joe’s just saber-rattling. In fact, the remark could be seen as a positive sign; an acknowledgement that the Obama Administration knows it doesn’t have the votes for civilian disarmament in Congress. That said . . . “Make no mistake,” Ralph warns. “The gun grabbers are all in.”
Courts have already ruled (Heller v. DC and McDonald v. Chicago) that it is an individual right to own firearms. If Obama tries to do an EO, it will be overturned quickly in the courts. He doesn’t want that fight.
Congress is not all-in. The southern democrats have reservations.
Oh the naivette of you amateurs with your mad-lawyering skills. You appear clueless to the fact that these group of Progressives do what they want, when they want and face no consequences. They don’t give a damn about flyover country folks.
The two professional lawyers around here, Ralph and Chris, aren’t nearly as optimistic as you amateurs. Ask yourselves, why?
What really bothers me is a lot of the guys here on TTAG helped put these Statists into office.
so does that make me an unprofessional lawyer? I should tell my major defense company corporate client that factoid. 🙂
Hell no, Dirk, I didn’t realize you were a lawyer. I do know that you are as realistic as Ralph and Chris Dumm on the upcoming gun-grabber shenanigans.
Unfortunately, these people will only get louder with the inevitable next massacre, which they are only encouraging with the overwhelming media and politician coverage.
Joke & dagger I agree that their are many people who know more than me on this and the progressives are to be feared as much as a monkey with a hand grenade. The only thing I would add to that is if they could REALLY do it by EO then I think they would have already done it. Why would they leave it up to congress and risk having their clocks cleaned in the midterm election and leaving Obama’s last two years with him twirling his thumbs with repub house and senate like after the 94 ban? If he was able to do it with EO then that would allow the dems in the house and senate to deny they wanted a ban and it wasn’t their fault!
If God forbid there was another school shooting and then they tried to do something by EO wouldn’t look bad on their part because they could have done something and didn’t. Even if they did something by EO now wouldn’t it look like they were asleep at the wheel and didnt take action to keep 20 six years old safe?
I am not saying that they don’t have a trick up their sleeve but I would have thought they would have played their aces if they had them already.
They are looking at their cards and planning their moves. These clowns just got back from Christmas Break. Look at the trap they just laid in getting the NRA to the White House. Won’t be long though.
“Feared as much as a monkey with a hand grenade”. Your a racist for using that term to describe……BIDEN. The prez and vice prez are more like rats. An EO would have made more sense a few days after the school shooting because these pigs would have had alot more blood to wallow in (which is their tactic).
he does want that fight. It would make him the hero of the left and they could raise havoc on gun owners while it works its way through the courts.
so then the supream court ovrturns it, if justice roberts agrees. what has he lost?
And like Ruby Ridge and Waco, it’s an opportunity to kill people with impunity until and if the courts over turn this.
And state/fed thugs would die just like Waco (and I would sing with happiness…if they were killed trying to go door to door taking patriots guns).
Dont put an EO past the arrogant one.
If Obama tries to do an EO, it will be overturned quickly in the courts. He doesn’t want that fight.
As long as we could get the Supreme Court to hear it real quick (6 months or less), I say I hope he does an EO so we can throw it out and impeach the bastard.
I wish I had something more constructive to say other than “F*ck, this is unbelievable.”
-D
Thats actually constructive enough to convey the madness of these patriot trying times.
I can only imagine that the level of civil disobedience in response to an Executive Order would be orders of magnitude greater than that resulting from legislation.
The talk about using an EO is the most encouraging thing I’ve heard in months.
If Obama could get legislation through Congress, Biden wouldn’t be talking about an EO.
Looks like Harry Reid getting re-elected had a silver lining after all… and maybe John Boehner even grew a spine.
I can only imagine what the 14′ midterms would look like (the slaughtering of the Dems).
Come and take them, you sub-human piece of shit.
God, I’m tired of being surrounded and dictated by abject stupidity and absolute evil. Screw what this country’s become. Worst part is that my back’s against the wall. There’s nowhere else on earth to go that’s any freer.
Technically Switzerland is pretty awesome, buttttt you need to know German and get really lucky job-wise.
You can move to Yemen, better gun laws than the US and people understand english.
But Obama will order your extra-judicial execution if you move there. This happened to Abdulrahman al-Aulaqi and Anwar al-Aulaqi who were both American citizens.
…who also happened to be jihadis, or people who carpooled with jihadis.
That’s not really the kind of thing a TTAG reader is likely to do.
Not so. Italian, French, Romansch, depending on the canton.
I don’t think Italian’s too hard to learn.
I don’t know, ask MikeB302000…
Don’t worry guys, I’m sure they ruling caste will still allow we proles to possess assault rifles under certain circumstances. Those circumstances would only include times when the ruling elite feel like invading/liberating/occupying an oil producing nation. They’re ALWAYS happy to shove a gun into working class hands when it’s time to “promote liberty” in someone’s country besides our own, lest they have to send their own kids. The question is, are we going to keep sending our kids to fight for a country that now seeks to disarm us at home?
Gawd, it’s so refreshing to hear someone voice the same things/ways that I feel right now. I’m nearly 50, and I was just thinking this morning how absolutely F*CKED this country has become in just the last 20 years and all I really want to do is find out who is responsible, and hang them from a street lamp, and then work my down the list…
After a fair trial, of course.
the justice system is another issue.
“… I really want to do is find out who is responsible.”
We the people are responsible. More specifically uneducated voters and indifferent non-voters. Our politicians may be the ones screwing the country but someone gave them that power. The MSM could deffinatley be accountable too.
indifferent non-voters. Our politicians may be the ones screwing the country but someone gave them that power
It certainly wasnt those who abstained who gave the politicians that power, it was exclusively the voters who did so.
i agree. even with the nefarious plotters taken into effect, the american people have allowed themselves to be duped into trading essential liberty for perceived increases in security.
we could have overthrown them at any time over the past century they have influenced certain events in our country…but we chose not to.
I can’t figure out why the “antis” don’t just go somewhere else that suits them since those who actually support The Bill of Rights do not have anywhere else to go and would rather not have to “assert” their rights.
What makes you think that once fearless leader gets the laws he wants you’ll be allowed to leave? I remember the iron curtain days. The minefields and barbed wire were not there to stop invaders, but to stop escapers.
If it’s time to run it’s time to fight. Remember, ballot box, jury box , cartridge box.
Sarajevo
I stood guard along the iron curtain. West Germany and Czechoslovakia. In case no one has noticed the are locking this country down.
The NRA and the Second Amendment Foundation shouldn’t have gone anywhere near the talks at the White House. By heading to these so-called “discussions” gun advocates are giving cover to issues that shouldn’t even be discussed.
This White House has zero interest in our side, but is very interested in creating the political theater needed to make it look the White House tried to play honest broker, but the gun advocates were unreasonable.
I disagree. If we don’t look like we have or share any concerns, it makes it easy to dismiss our side as kooks. But by offering up constructive feedback and showing a compromise, it makes for nice photo ops and allows the WH and the Dems save face when this thing falls flat. Remember: nothing is worse than a cornered animal.
You honestly think the White House is interested in anything the NRA and 2nd Amendment Foundation has to say? Along with the various gun control groups?
This is pure political theater, which this White House excels at.
Gun advocates are heading into a rigged game and the only way to win is to not play. Remember, President Obama does not care about the next election, because he’s not up for re-election.
Blake, once invited, the NRA had to go. This was well played by the Washington scumb@gs.
Blake, Obama cares more about the next election then anyone. His presidential legacy so far is 16 trillion in debt. Most legacy building is done in the last two years. The last thing he wants is to spend the last two years with a repub house and senate who tries to undo everything he did in the first 6.
The nra had to go no doubt about it. I just hope the first thing the NRA does is pull out poll numbers that show their approval rating, the presidents approval rating, and congress approval rating and tell Biden there is a reason their approval rating is higher than the other two and they would be willing to take this to the American people if they need to.
Compromise? More like the government takes, takes, takes, and the law abiding citizens bend over.
Yeah, I wasn’t too happy that the NRA has now been anointed to speak for every gun owner in America. Last I heard, my individual rights aren’t up for bargaining, and if anyone IS going to bargain for my individual rights it ought to be ME, not some political lobbying group. I bet this is how black people feel every time Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton claim to speak for all black people.
Ralph,
A quick press release by the NRA solves the invitation problem:
“We do not believe the White House is interested in having an honest and open discussion and therefore decline the invitation.”
Would you prefer they sent Alex Jones?
They’ll probably quote Jones at some point to support their goals.
Then I really hope they do it on TV in his gravelly voice. I at least want a laugh out of the farce.
Yes. The antis would never get a word in, Jones would fillibuster them, scream at them thru a bullhorn from across a table until they gave up or he had a heart attack.
Talk is cheap, and should be distributed as such. They were invited. Not going would look (and be) childish, and would give them reason to propose or do as they wish (because they had the opportunity to talk and refused). Yes it is all for show, and no I don’t think anybody in the WH cares what the NRA thinks. I just hope they don’t send another old guard moron that wants to compromise. They need to lay out facts and solutions that they can point to when the administration ignores them. They have no choice but to go.
Minority Leader Mitch McConnell has already said nothing will happen on this for months since there are more important battles to fight, like the debt ceiling, entitlement reform, confirmation hearings and finding out who/what/where for Benghazi and Fast & Furious. Uncle Joe can say all he wants, but this is just the Dems lining up an issue for the 2014 elections. . . . . we need to have our own issues and have people recognize my guns are not what is siphoning money from their checks, limiting their earning/growth potential or setting their kids up for a poorer economic future than is possible today.
Several studies have acknowledged that gun owners are the single largest demographic willing to be single issue voters and also tend to have good memories on the actions of politicians. It will be interesting to see what kind of shake up there will be in the Senate come 2014.
Unless you live in WV and keep sending Byrd and Rockefeller back to the Senate for almost 20 years, death being the only thing preventing Byrd from still serving.
If Byrd could get on the ballot, he’d be re-elected even though he’s dead.
I don’t care to stereotype them, but honestly, there are a lot of slow pokes in coal country. “Well, i don’t like Obama, but daddy always voted democrat, so i guess i’ll have to.” They oppose everything the party stands for, but still vote for them because it’s “what Daddy did.” It drives me up the damn wall.
I’ve actually met people who thought they HAD to vote for obama (as in, were not allowed not to) because they registered as a democrat in the 70’s.
Only problem with that is Obama has never carried WV. Not even close.
West Virginia is changing and God knows they love their guns. If not why did “turn coat Joe” make the ad of him shooting the rifle?
My concern would be that Obama could do something drastic, like reactivate the 1994 – 2004 ban or somesuch and congress could intentionally do nothing about it. It’s easy to vote against someone that does something you don’t like but they could sit back, let Obama take all the heat (he isn’t up for re-election anyway) and place their bets on the hope that even though they weren’t a solution, at least they weren’t part of the problem. That way they don’t have to have the fight and Obama can take all the heat.
Try watching last night’s episode of The Daily Show. The whole episode was on guns. 20% of the show made me laugh, 5% were some good points to start that went in a bad direction, and 75% of it just pissed me off. The guest was General McChrystal, who TTAG posted a video clip of him on MSNBC yesterday. He said that .223/5.56 ammunition is too dangerous for civilians.
McChrystal is an Obama proxy…. Stewart is a mouthpiece.
McChrystal is trying to land another gov’t gig after his ended so ubruptly. . . . . I wonder how much more he needs to accrue in pension credits? or better yet, maybe he wants to get back in Barry’s good graces so he can land on a few corporate boards.
The idiot youth of today pretty much solely gets their news from stooges like Stewart, thinking it’s an actual news program. Though, who can blame them when “real” news shows are just misinformation themselves.
I used to think Stewart was funny…years ago. I kept watching, but I am done with that show after last night.
The difference with Stewart is, yes he went after guns last night, but that will probably be it. Whereas MSNBC has been non stop gun control from the time the children’s bodies hit the ground! He (Stewart) will go after both sides, and compared to Fox and MSNBC, HE is more fair and balanced when it comes to most topics!
Sure there are EO’s that they can do but it would be stuff on the books already. They could make gun trafficating a felony. They could go after people who lie on their forms. As far as enacting new legistration, I don’t see it. If they could move assault weapons to NFA an increase the tax on NFA items then it would already be done. They would have already have it done that way they wouldn’t have to worry about the dems losing their a** in the midterm election. This article said it best “saber rattling”. I am not saying we need to let down the pressure or be complacent but we need to push through this.
Agreed. It means they’re scared of the failure of their plans. It’s time to keep up the pressure all over the place, if not increase it in certain areas.
Any EO that takes it upon itself to counter the 2nd Amendment and create new law needs to be challenged immediately… for that matter if it just tries to create new laws by bypassing the lawmakers elected by us: Congress, it needs immediate challenge.
So that settles it then – America is officially a monarchy, on its way to tyranny.
I think the term is Obamacracy.
I tried posting, but it was just one string of bad words.
I would like to add this thought: There is alot of NRA-bashing on this and other sites that serve our community – i.e. “they’ll use any excuse to raise money”, “LaPierre makes a gajillion dollars in salary”, yadayada. But the NRA said this election was the most important ever for us, and they pushed hard. Alas to no avail, but they were right and wouldn’t any one of us wish LaPierre made 10x what he makes if he could make the antis momentum go away like that?
We’ll need every last resource, every voice, even the NRA TTAGers.
Exactly! We need to fight this on all fronts. I am an NRA member. I don’t think the armed guards in schools thing is a good idea( I see it as an expansion of the police state). I prefer the idea that teachers should be allowed to carry, but so far the NRA is not compromising on what I can or cannot have so I’m still in favor of them generally speaking. Is the GOA more in line with my beliefs? Oh yeah! So I’m a member there too. I’m also a SAF member and I’m thinking about joining JPFO. Maybe I don’t agree with all of them 100% but they are all fighting to preserve my rights so I support them.
So what if the NRA raises a bunch of money. Do you think they don’t know that if they turn tail they will lose those big pay checks. What keeps them honest is our wallets. It’s capitalism at it’s finest.
I joined GOA and SAF. I haven’t renewed my NRA membership but since I want to become an instructor (eventually) and you need to be a member in good standing for at least 2 years, it’s something I should do.
I just think the NRA fights Anti-Gun Hysteria with Pro-Gun Hysteria.
Am a member of the NRA, SAF,GOA and more guns=less crime and guns across America!!!
I don’t always agree with the NRA but they do fight the good fight for us!!!
I woul love to see and I would definitely go if we could organize and pull off a million Gin Owner March on DC!!! I would bet a million(?) armed people marching up to the Capitol would make a hell of a statement without saying a word!! They might arrest some of us but not all of us!!!
I would very much like to see this happen.
I had been talking about it but finally joined the NRA last week. I feel like one of the best things I can do in these times is increase the membership of pro-2A organizations. Thinking about joining SAF and GOA as well.
I joined the SAF a couple weeks ago. I really like them and their heavy focus on legal action. I also recently sent a nice sized check to the NRA-ILA. I’m going to have to look into GOA. Thank you for joining the NRA. They really do a lot for us.
But the NRA said this election was the most important ever for us, and they pushed hard.
Yes, they pushed hard for an anti-gun jackass who actually signed a ban. They could have taken a stand and supported the one candidate who was pro-gun and actually gotten a few million more people to vote Libertarian and get the Republicans and Democrats to wake up and realize that they can lose their voters if they nominate lousy candidates. Given Romney’s history, he absolutely would be saying the exact things that Obama is saying.
yup. this is nothing new either.
i specifically remember both of us talking about this before the election.
I wish the pols would stop saying stuff like this. Don’t they care that there are many armed “not so intelligencia” out there at least one of whom is probably teetering on the verge of very irrational behavior? Seriously, are they trying to push somebody over the edge? Civilian Disarmament! Maybe he is just saber rattling, but they all should stop before some moron with a bolt action .338 Lapua changes the course of history from 1000 yds away.
That’s exactly what they’re trying to do, push some guy too far so they can have an absolute foolproof lock on total disarmament and further tyrannical policies. Frankly, I wouldn’t be surprised if they picked out a sacrificial politician and did it themselves.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they picked out a sacrificial politician and did it themselves.
I nominate Diane Feinstein. 🙂
Seconded. Motion carried.
I would like to take this to the floor for a vote!!!
EYE!!!!
No, like I said on another post, use a “high powered assault vehicle” and get the Democrats to focus their hate on the auto industry instead.
They just want to spook us into a “compromise”. remember, their side views compromise as we give and they take.
2014 is approaching. I said this before barry was reelected. Regardless of your left or right or middle of the ground views if you support 2a the only way we’re going to stop, this is to spank the dems so hard their grandkids will feel it.
Move to Somalia. It’s real fucking free there.by electing Republicans so hard that women, minorities, gays, the economy AND our grand hildren feel it?
Sorry, I’ll keep writing my representatives, but I’m not voting for people whose only concern seems to be securing their personal financial and religious “freedom” at the cost of everyone else’s actual freedom.
I would do anything for gun rights, but I won’t do that.
Well, my two seperate replies to two seperate comments got mashed in to one and put in the wrong place after a 20 minute lag. This kind of thing happens all the time here; comments double posting, comments not posting, the above mess. What’s the deal?
I agree with you. The GOP continues to run campaigns promising to put abortion back into back alleys and put gays back in the closet. Perhaps if they would rein in their religious right they would win an election or two.
Republicans so hard that women, minorities, gays, the economy
Wow, the lack of facts is so astounding…and I don’t even like Republicans…
Agreed. It would be a great 2nd Amendment message to send by electing a non-Democrat controlled Senate, House, and Executive Branch and maybe even a conservative Supreme Court appointment. Put those anti-freedom folks back in their place. Just like after the last AWB.
My understanding is that Obama is considering signing EO’s to do things like strengthening the NICS check system, forcing states to send metal health records to NICS, things like that. He’s made no mention that I can find of signing EO’s to force “disarmament”.
That’s something I support. If we are going to have background checks, then shouldn’t they be complete and force the states that do not report mental health records do so? Most pro-2A people don’t blame the gun, but they do tend to blame mental health issues. If you support that stance then you should be for that. I think that’s something that maybe the NRA could’ve done before, maybe lobby to have that as part of the reciprocity act. It would be a fantastic compromise if we could get reciprocity, as well as give some positive PR to the pro-gun lobby. But now it could be strengthened through EO and reciprocity will still be kept out of the voting hands of the senate by Harry Reid.
If we are going to have background checks they should be complete, but they shouldn’t record the type or quantity of weapons purchased. Just the person, Yes/No, and a date.
I completely agree. No registration.
All of the mass shooting are done by crazy b@stards, so they shouldn’t be allowed to have guns. Also, all the laws are passed by crazy b@stards, so they shouldn’t be allowed to vote.
+1000
For the children.
Are we going to have to give them a war they won’t believe this year?
If he signs an executive order that attacks the Constitution there is only one action that should be taken. He should be impeached by the house immediately and tried for treason. If Biden is complicit, he should join Obama at trial. Obama has already talked about subverting congress’ authority on the debt ceiling and has shown he is willing to do whatever to abuse the Constitution. As a former Marine, this whole thing sickens me.
In a just world we all know that is what should happen but we all know that it won’t. Obama has already done lots of things that should have gotten him impeached, yet he was voted back in for another term. AS someone stated before, what sickens me is our very own people helped put him back in office.
Didn’t Jim carey made a movie about obama and biden. I believe it was called dumb and dumber.
556/223 is too dangerous? That’s absolutely absurd. Stupidity is dangerous. Doin things in the heat of the moment is dangerous. Listening to idiots is exetremely dangerous. But I guess it worked for hitler
This morning on WLS AM Chicago, the head of the police union said he and most coppers do not have an issue with CCW, it’s the pols that have an issue with it. He said that IL is wasting millions more in attempting to fight the 7th CC ruling.
Based on that interview, even here in Chicago, the anti sediment is mainly driven by the pols and the media, not the commoner. We all know here that we have a gang/broken family/societal issue, not a firearm issue. But the pols and media won’t call a spade a spade – criminals killing criminals who in a majority of cases are black and come from single/no parent homes.
I feel for you Joe, I’m 90 miles away in Milwaukee. I donate time to try to get at the minority kids before they feel no one cares & they look for gang comraderie. That said, the ones that slip through need to be stopped, not protected by the dems, Randy
Dealing with the real causes would require solving a crisis as opposed to “never netting a good crisis go to waste.” I have to part ways with you regarding the racial issue. I believe that problem comes from the fact so few guns are in the hands of responsible members of the minority community. Keep in mind these are the folks who bare the brunt of illegal gun crimes, hence more deaths of loved ones. Hell. Camden N.J. just lost it’s city PD, and now has a patchwork of LE protecting some very fine US citizens form a network of thugs.
the head of the police union said he and most coppers do not have an issue with CCW
The CPD are just as against CCW as the politicians. Dont believe me? Walk in to a police station and tell the cop at the front desk you’re carrying.
Full blown martial law would suit Obamas agenda extremely well.
I believe that is his ultimate goal.
He seems to be going there.
theoretically, if that were to happen, it would be preceded by another “terrorist attack”.
“oh noes! another terrorist attack! here mr gvt sir, take some of my freedom so you can create security out of thin air!”
Chicago was going to do this, Chicago was going to that & I haven’t seen sh.t. Bunch of blowhard mf’s so far, Randy
We have over 2,000 gun laws already. We have NICS, class 3’s are very difficult to obtain with their transportation closely tracked and only allowed in 37 states. Can someone please tell me how more laws , which in many cases duplicate existing ones, will prevent crime? If laws don’t keep out “Leaders” from committing, voter fraud, insider trading, felonies, or accepting illegal “contributions”, just to name a few, why does anyone expect criminals to be intimidated by more of what they ignore in the first place? All I see is the grabbers moving down the food chain. First selective fire, now semi autos and Mag capacity are on the menu.
No one will convince me that the crimes at Sandy Hook were not manipulated, or worse, to create this anti gun frenzy.
I guess disarmament is the last law they would need to pass.
If you think things are senselessly violent now, wait and see what life is like if you get your wish. They won’t get 1 criminal’s gun and they will take any gun capable of being used in a defensive situation.
From the laughing then crying “victims parents” to the constantly changing “facts” surrounding Adam Lanza to the current blackout of any info whatsoever, this has all the markings of a staged operation.
Of course, you have to be a tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy nut to think the govt lies.
After all, they killed Bin Laden and threw him off a ship, right?
Bypassing congress and using an executive order? That would be a delicious, ironic, and fateful choice.
It would lend a lot of clarity to the tyranny aspect, entirely enrage gun owners, spawn a multitude of legal cases, and stiffen the resistance and non-compliance on the part of the entire firearms community.
And as always, any scheme would need money, and that money would have to be authorized by the House, so there would still be issues with implementation.
In other words, it would result in utter chaos.
A lawyer representing two gun dealers in AZ is challenging Obama’s EO in the wake of F&F to institute the long gun registry.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/09/gun-dealers-challenge-rifle-reporting-requirement/
My, my, yet another “tin-foil hat conspiracy theory” becomes “but of course we are” conventional wisdom. I think they nay-sayers and poo-pooers have been dismissing these concerns because they view events and potential policies through the lens of normalcy bias. I fear that a confrontation is *precisely* the goal here, not “business as usual”. Viewed from that (sad) perspective, these Vulgar Display of Power tactics are not only natural, but quite predictable with uncanny accuracy.
Aye…unfortunately the nay-sayers suffering from normalcy bias.
Normalcy Bias (or normality bias)
a mental state people enter when facing a disaster. It causes people to underestimate both the possibility of a disaster occurring and its possible effects.
Be watchful, and be careful. I spoke often that I would vote for BHO / Biden, and these matters are exactly why.
However, we must fight legally and honorably. A single law abiding gun owner losing his or her temper – really losing it – would only feed the anti agenda. The antis want us to be angry. Lets continue to fight this fight honorably and reasonably for as long as possible. Our enemy has shown their hands – they want taxes, registration, restriction, and disarmament. They do not care a out facts or reason, and we must continue to exploit that weakness.
So I’m going to put off getting a MOLON LABE tattoo for at least a little while.
I’ve said it before: if they come for my guns respectfully, I will treat them respectfully in return. But if they come heavy . . .
Ralph, works for me.
Edit: I meant to say that I wouldn’t vote and didn’t vote for Obama. Or Feinstein. Y’all get the idea.
I’d respectfully ask them to leave.
they can come for my guns all they want. my hi power 9mm and bolt action 22 would gladly be turned in.
Jefferson must be doing back flips in his grave. He warned us about TYRANNY, but no one paid attention until it was to late.
Didn’t he also say we wouldn’t need the 2nd amendment until tyrants try to take it away?
While they dont have the votes in Congress it shows NRA and SAF will have to fight not a gun ban BUT a registration scheme Obama will likely throw at us threw a EO. Call your Reps and Senators and join NRA we need all to help.
The problem with a registration scheme via Executive Order is that it has to be funded, and only Congress can appropriate funding.
Federal Law 18 U.S.C. 926 (2) (a):
No such rule or regulation prescribed after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners Protection Act may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or disposition be established. Nothing in this section expands or restricts the Secretary’s authority to inquire into the disposition of any firearm in the course of a criminal investigation.
What are the limits on an executive order? According to what I’ve read, the president can give orders only on laws already passed by Congress or under the powers of commander-in-chief in the event of military action. Obama could further restrict imports of guns or could order changes in the background check system, but I don’t see that he can declare certain guns illegal or change their status beyond what’s already defined in law.
From what I’ve seen in four years, Obama does whatever he wants, whenever he wants, and faces literally zero repurcussions.
Funny, it seems to be that way for Eric Holder as well.
I don’t think that’s true. Obama is a skilled politician and always manages to bend his party to his political will. He insists that everyone gets their hands dirty. Obamacare passed because Obama was stronger than the fence-sitters who might have opposed him. It cost the Democrats control of the House and eight Senate seats.
Besides, why would POTUS act alone when the Senate (at least) will do what it’s told to do? Look for Obama to hit gun control hard in his State of the Union address, and look for the MSM to back his play. The MSM is the Judas goat leading the country to the slaughterhouse.
…all politicians are like that. they do whatever they want whenever they please so long as the consequences are minimal compared to what they gain.
“Government: If you refuse to pay unjust taxes, your property will be confiscated. If you attempt to defend your property, you will be arrested. If you resist arrest, you will be clubbed. If you defend yourself against clubbing, you will be shot dead. These procedures are known as the Rule of Law.” – Edward Abbey
Never in the history of this nation has any president used executive order in any firearms issue. If he chooses this route he will be the first and the backlash will be dangerous.
What about the street sweeper shotguns outlawed by Clinton?
Think he cannot ban gun with a EO BUT try to have them registered and ready for banning. Remember he tried this in New Mexico and Arizona and Texas to cover up Fast and Furious.
Don’t you EVER threaten me, you lavender-tied, Zionista prick.
Executive Order = The presidential equivalent of a two-year-old girl throwing a tantrum because she wanted apple juice instead of milk.
And we should treat it as such.
This is actually good news, the language he uses confirms that the whitehouse believes they do not have enough votes to pass what they wish. The compromise begins with the gungrabbers, good start.
I hope you’re right. Biden’s language does sound like he might be trying to lower expectations…
for one I’m a American citizen not a civilian blow it out ur rear
“… the remark could be seen as a positive sign; an acknowledgement that the Obama Administration knows it doesn’t have the votes for civilian disarmament in Congress.”
Almost exactly what I was thinking when I read the title for this thread. Granted I dont know much about the EO process, I have read enough here that I am not overly worried about it.
I agree a AWB wont pass the House and could be easily filibustered by progunners in both parties in the Senate so while he still try to ban guns the old way and fail he may try all out gun registry by EO he did it to SW American gun owners in 2010.
This is very relevant to the discussion at hand:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youngstown_Sheet_%26_Tube_Co._v._Sawyer
Truman tired to seize steel plants. SCOTUS basically told him to FOAD.
Executive orders are fairly limited, especially in cases like this. With the conservative court we have now, any threat to use an executive order is just stupid posturing as they know it won’t stand.
tell that to the Japanese interred to camps during WWII, by executive order # 9066.
Executive Order 9066 was a United States presidential executive order signed and issued during World War II by U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt on February 19, 1942, authorizing the Secretary of War to prescribe certain areas as military zones. Eventually, EO 9066 cleared the way for the relocation of Japanese Americans to internment camps.
And fell under the Constitutional authority to suspend habeas corpus in time of war.
thomas youre exactly correct. thank you for bringing that up.
That all changes though if all this inflammatory rhetoric pushes somebody over the edge. There’s a rather dedicated portion of our population that takes the whole defend against enemies both foreign and domestic thing pretty seriously. One wonders just how much farther the pols would have to push things before some of them showed up in somebodies domestic enemy column. Man I sure hope this dawns on our govt. reps before anything happens. DID YOU READ THIS MISTER GOVT AGENT? TELL THEM TO KNOCK IT OFF BEFORE SOMEBODY DOES SOMETHING STUPID! We should be able to do something about keeping guns away from people with mental defects without pissing off 280 million Americans!
Checking Wikopedia (I know, not the most trustworthy of sources but where can you go in a pinch..) shows that to date, only two executive orders have ever been overturned by the courts. BHO has already used this tool hundreds of times, so it’s obviously his tool of choice…if we think he can’t do this and make it stick, we’d all be guilty of way underestimating the enemy.
The wingnuts have been praying for America’s Dunblane, and now they have it in Newtown. If they can’t get gun control through Congress and the states now, after this horror show, then they’re all done and they know it. That’s why they’re all in.
No MSM mouthpiece will let any opportunity slide, no politician will miss a single chance, no wingnut group will spare the dollars — and with the Joyce Foundation and that little Napoleon, Michael Bloomberg, writing the checks, they don’t have to.
I expect that there may be an Executive Order appointing Bloomberg as America’s gun czar once he’s done in NYC. Then you’ll really understand that none of this is about magazines or ARs. It’s about survival.
The obvious is that you can’t expect them to lie down after such grandstanding. However, given the “90 day” claim on discussing gun legislation and the obvious reluctance to force a change in the country so vast they want to spooky us into ill advised action so that we can rile this country emotionally again against the gun. This is the cape and the bullfighter. If we call the bluff there will be silence for 90 days after silence from us.
The fact remains this is direct, unfettered infringement on the 2A. Obviously unconstitutional and it is no secret. Only rallying every Congressman that would follow A NEW TRAGEDY and hoping could they amend the constitution. This has to be done before any true arms recourse on the government part can be taken.
So let us sit, wait. Here they cannot act and goading us to ill advised action is the best they have.
Newsflash. Biden is a “gun nut”. Dude owns several handguns and before becoming veep had them strategically placed around his house. Also, before he got greater SS protection he augmented what he had w/ private security firms; the tool knows he is a tool and he knows alot of other people know this too. All rumors coming out of the first state.
Newsflash: he gets SS protection for life. He doesn’t care if he could never own a personal defense weapon again. Tax payers get to pay for his protection 24/7/365 for the rest of his life. His BS claims about his guns were mainly around his sporting shotguns. Pre ’94, he has all the credentials to have been an NRA board member, but I guess that was the reason for the post ’94 purge.
Nope. Protection is limited to 10 years now. Clinton is the last president to receive protection for life.
They will create their executive order and before it is reviewed by the courts (where it may or may not survive) they will seek out the right people to confiscate weapons from. There will be two kinds that they start with. There will be meek and pliable people who will gladly surrender their weapons with a smile. These will be in the news alongside the other type.
The other type will be people who are stupid and principled (and I’m not saying the two are the same thing as opposed to smart and principled), people like Randy Weaver or the Branch Davidians. Someone they can rely on to fight and make a stand. They will use all their resources to make sure that these people are killed or otherwise humiliated and made unable to fight ever again. These people will have their fates shown relentlessly on the television to terrorize the rest of us into being cows and turning in our weapons.
If Clinton killed Randy Weaver in his drive for gun control, and razed a church and gassed children to death in Waco for gun control, and ignored a court order and took Elian Gonzalez at gunpoint and returned him to slavery in Cuba, then we should be prepared for violent demonstrations of power by this administration.
There are two things to understand about Obama. He is a commited socialist and he shows a lot bluster. You saw that with the fiscal cliff negotiations. Despite what some conservatives say, he folded to a pair of twos after proclaming his way or the highway on taxes. He got less then Boehner offered and gave the Republicans in House the ability to veto future tax increases.
It will be the same with guns. I have no doubt that he would like to ban guns outright but he knows he has no constitutional or legislative authority to do that. He would have done it already if he had the power. The bluster in this case is to sound tough and deliver some minor changes via EO. It would take a lawyer to go through the national firearms laws and determine where he can nibble around the edges. Like everything I expect a lot of sound and fury that will satisfy neither us or the gun grabbers.
His goal is to lay the groundwork for future restrictions when he feels he can get it through Congress and in the meantime rely on individual states to place more restrictions on firearms ownership and perhaps confiscate some of those evil black rifles. This will be an additional issue dividing red and blue states. The deeper the blue the more bankrupt and crime ridden they will become.
I agree with everything but the groundwork for future restrictions. It isn’t that they won’t happen — it’s that they’re not even on his top-10 list. President Obama’s top priority is putting this issue behind him with the least political damage possible so he can focus on agenda items which actually benefit the Democrats, namely immigration and the federal budget.
Don’t get me wrong — I’m sure he’s fine with throwing red meat (aka further infringements on personal liberty) to the activists within his party if that’s what it takes to move forward. There’s a reason he committed to end-of-January right up front: so he can get this over with as quickly as possible.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K3KN9K-KkQ
My favorite part of this article:
Biden continued on, “As the president said, if you’re actions result in only saving one life, they’re worth taking. But I’m convinced we can affect the well-being of millions of Americans and take thousands of people out of harm’s way if we act responsibly.”
They haven’t done crap and yet the current gun control laws have already helped save lives.
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/mother-of-two-surprises-burglar-with-five-gunshots/nTnGR/
Is it just me or does VP Biden look a lot like Hershel on The Walking Dead?
Ok now I went from a crappy day to just down right SH#$%Y!!!
Biden’s right, they acted so fast that they already had an awb ready to save us from oirselves before we even knew we needed it. way to go lefters.
Where’s Oliver Cromwell when you need him.
Dissolution of the Long Parliament.
“It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonoured by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice; ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government; ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money.
Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess? Ye have no more religion than my horse; gold is your God; which of you have not barter’d your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth?
Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defil’d this sacred place, and turn’d the Lord’s temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; you were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress’d, are yourselves gone! So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors. In the name of God, go!”
It seems to me that the buying frenzy and dwindling supplies of AR-15s, High Capacity Magazines, 5.56/.223 ammo and AKs has made me question where the hell all these people were when the votes in my home state swayed to Obama…If EVERY gun owner had turned out and voted against him, we should have had a landslide; There are far too many firearms owners who refuse to accept that this CAN happen! The Liberal gun-owners (yes i know some) still think the Supreme Court is going to overturn an EO; they think that its all rhetoric and scare tactics and that refusal is what will ensure that all the talking in the world isn’t going to mount to a hill of beans
Obama is a tyrant, pure and simple, and a Tyrant thinks he is above the rule of law, that he is superior to the lowly citizenry whom are too ignorant to know whats best for them…remember, we cling to our guns and religion because we are backwards and superstitious to change…
The NRA can talk until its blue in the face and it won’t matter a bit…these people are on the extreme left, the bleeding edge, and they aren’t interested in anything but their agenda–the complete implementation of Socialism in the United States and the Second Amendment and an armed population is the largest hurdle standing in their path
Believe me, I hope I am wrong and that this is all a bunch of malarkey from Bumbling Joe, but I for one will never underestimate this treasonous piece of filth in the Oval Office
The pic of the arrogant one shows a thin necked, little, jugg-eared, bastard with a particularly grim expression. His late antiAmerican parents Anarchy Annie and the Kenyan Commie would be so proud.
How did it come to this? Oh, yes, the sheeple. Baaaah Baaaah.
Maybe we dont deserve our firearms? Maybe we dont deserve our freedom?
Baaaah
Is it time for a revolution yet.
These potential executive orders have nothing to do with “civilian disarmament”.
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