Monday night a clerk in a Brooklyn, New York grocery store was attacked by a man with a knife. The clerk was carrying a firearm and shot the attacker, 25-year-old Edwin Candelario, Jr., who also worked at the store, killing him. Candelario had reportedly returned to the store to retrieve his keys.
As CBSN New York reports, there’s security video of Candelario, Jr. approaching the clerk with a knife and the blade was found at the scene.
There’s only one problem. The un-named 34-year-old clerk didn’t have a permit to carry a gun. That’s because he lives in a city that only issues concealed carry permits to those who are wealthy or well-connected. So while this was yet another successful defensive gun use, it wasn’t a legal one.
The clerk has been arrested and charged with criminal possession of a firearm.
Candelario’s family can’t understand why the clerk killed him.
“He could’ve shot him in the leg. He could’ve pushed him. Why did he have to shoot him five times? That’s murder,” said Luz Sanchez, the victim’s aunt.
New York’s “may issue” system for issuing carry permits has been notorious for its graft and corruption. So-called “expeditors” have given prosecutors and cops cash, hookers and vacations to get their clients permits.
Someone who works a job with a higher risk of possible trouble — someone like a lowly Brooklyn grocery store clerk — doesn’t have a prayer putting together the scratch needed to pry loose a carry permit from the city that would allow him to carry a firearm legally to protect himself on the job.
And that’s exactly the way New York’s powers that be want it.
Devil’s advocate….do we know all sides of the story?
Any audio to go with the video? Maybe the guy with the knife thought the clerk was a robber?
We won’t get Candelario’s side now. But he learned not to take a knife to a gunfight.
Why would he be carrying a knife? Sounds like HE was planning to hurt someone, too. Hmmm.
“do we know all sides of the story”
Oh I’m sure there’s more. The part about “just getting his life together,” “was thinking about getting his GED,” “had talking about reconnecting with the mother of his kids,” and “aspiring rapper.”
You know, the same idea as the pit bull that was normally so gentle. . . someone must have startled him.
The fact that they both worked there and the guy went from “going in to get his keys” to apparently pulling a knife says this needs a close look. This wasn’t as simple as a robbery. And since one of the two parties that could give their sides is dead…
Exactly. Washer arrested on murder charges or “gun crime” charges?
They were getting together for bible study, and had an ecumenical disagreement.
Do you carry a knife? I do. I bet 90% of TTAG readers do too.
He was not charged with homicide or assult he was charged with illegal possession.
This is 2A.
We don’t need to know the other side of the story to know that New York is unconstitutionally depriving millions of people of their right to keep and bear arms.
Spot On.
Personally, I am focused on the initial charge(s), as posted above, “The clerk has been arrested and charged with criminal possession of a firearm.”
To me that says, the weapon was not registered (NY). As such (I think), the DGUser did not violate any CCW type law. I did not read the actual MSM report, which (for me), will only raise accuracy questions about the report.
I see/read other reply’s, even the OP is alluding to CCW …
quote:
“The un-named 34-year-old clerk didn’t have a permit to carry a gun.”
/quote
The *key word* in the OP’s statement is *carry*. If this incident was not outside, but rather inside, there is not much of a carry issue; that I see. No one will know how the gun arrived at the incidents locale, (in a gun case?, loaded/unloaded?), unless someone does not know how to STFU.
Bringing a knife to a gun-fight is not a decent career move.
I would like to hear other peoples thoughts on *this* reply. Maybe I missed something.
In New York, you need a permit to own a handgun. You need a permit to handle a handgun (sometimes, depending on the store). And yes, letting a friend shoot your handgun is illegal because it’s not on his permit. Even worse if the other person has no permit at all…
The only benefit is that your handgun permit is automatically considered a concealed carry permit. No extra training necessary. (also, this does vary by county)
However, NYC is a special case. They don’t recognize permits issued by the state. You have to have a specific NYC permit. And as stated in the article, is only available for the rich and well connected.
Maybe they need de-funded there!
The 2nd amendment is the clerk’s permit. It does not say, the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, as long as you have a permit.
The courts dont agree with you.
In NYC the 2nd Amendment is dead to all but the rich and famous. You did notice the shooter was not charged with assult or murder or any homicide. The man with the knife was exhibiting intent to use deadly force the knife and was met by deadly force the gun. Noticed no one questioned the legality of the knife ! The idea of shooting in the leg is rediculous and only seen on make believe TV.
I’d assert that details of this came from POLICE REPORT …. or from reporter observing court …. so …. quit tilting at windmills.
What a ridiculously stupid comment. The guy with the knife thought the clerk was a robber??? Comments like this confirm Americans are hopelessly moronic.
Is a knife considered to be a deadly weapon?
Is it possible that the dead man has an expensive drug habit?
Is it possible that the father is lying about his son going back for his keys?
Cop : So what happened
Worker: He stabbed me then he got shot
Cop: Who shot him?
Worker: I dunno.
“There was an altercation, and the criminal became deceased in the alley.”
So youse is saying dat he assumed room temperature outdoors….
Outdoors, it would be ‘ambient temperature’…
May be a PERFECT TEST CASE for NY’s shitty ‘may issue’ permit system.
Granted that is Nuevo York, not part of the United States of America.
The only way that is going to happen is if the DA actually pushes for a serious charge.
I don’t know how it is in New York, but in Chicago during the handgun ban, you would never be actually prosecuted for possession in a legitimate self deference situation to prevent a challenge to the law.
You also need to have a clerk who is willing to go threw all that B.S. involved with a challenge. Because it WILL turn his life upside down.
” You also need to have a clerk who is willing to go threw all that B.S. involved with a challenge. Because it WILL turn his life upside down. ”
I think it’s pretty safe to say his life has already been turned upside down.
Times may have changed, but Benard Geotz comes to mind. His shooting was found to have been done in self defense, but he was found guilty of having the means to defend himself
Halloooooo — he has been arrested and CHARGED. This man doesn’t have a choice about ‘going through all that B.S.’ – it’s been thrust upon him. Twice. When he was ATTACKED by the criminal — and now being ATTACKED by the justice system. Oh I guess his option was just to let attacker kill him. (sigh)
Could be, it sure is needed. I feel bad for residents of nyc, and others who work there that are not allowed to protect themselves with a gun. The politicians should be tarred and feathered.
Don’t feel bad\sorry for NTy, CT, MA or CA. They are living with the results of their voting.
Exactly!
A charge of illegal posseion of a fireatm could get him probation,but if he was stabbed and killed he would get life .DEAD
“He could’ve shot him in the leg. He could’ve pushed him. Why did he have to shoot him Five times?” Well Either that or get poked with a knife a few times.
“Five times” Must have been a j-frame.
That is also what popped into my head when I read 5 shots. People tend to empty the gun when an attack happens.
Five is a good number. I have no problem with this.
‘cuz that’s all the ammo I had’
Blame the guy trying to protect himself, not your scumbag family member who was in the wrong. Morons.
Exactly… and I always have to laugh at people that suggest trying to shoot someone in the leg or otherwise wound them.
Hollywood has a lot to answer for when it comes to firearms.
Spot on!
The only fair and non racist way to handle this situation is for nationwide constitutional carry. I also live in an area where only the white, wealthy and connected get a carry permit. Look who supports gun control. biden, pelosi bernie, the clintons. The list is endless and almost all white and certainly all wealthy.
Yeah, but some of the restaurants are really good and there is lots of performance art. And don’t forget the beaches. Who wouldn’t want to live in NYC? Going to die in prison for defending yourself is a small price to pay for living in the greatest city in the world.
Home to seven million people. That’s incredible. Imagine seven million people all wanting to live together. Yeah, New York must be the friendliest place on earth.
You couldn’t pay me enough to live in New York City. Well, maybe you could…but with that much money in hand, I’d turn right around and go live somewhere else.
Who wouldn’t want to live in the largest COVID cesspool in the world? You can sure put me in that category. Those people are crazy. At one time I wanted to visit – kinda like going to the zoo I guess – today those people are so off the rails that I don’t want to be in the same country with them, forget being in their city.
If you are going to visit NYC call ahead to make sure your trip coincides with the two or three days each year when sanitation and transportation workers are NOT on strike at the same time…… Unless of course you enjoy walking through mounds of garbage to explore a rat infested shithole or plan to confine yourself to about three square blocks in Manhattan…
Why’d you shoot him five times? Cuz that’s all the gun holds!😁
News “straight from Crooklyn, better known as Brooklyn…”.
Damn, there’s a esoteric mid 90’s reference.
Our sweet baby boy was just trying to stab him… he’s a good boy… somebody tries to kill you and you kill them? Such a tragedy he died through no fault of his own!
He’s in trouble but he’s not dead.
Only in Andy the Commie Commieo’s chit hole aka NYC does a citizen not have the God given right to self defense .
Oddly, Candelario did not die of gunshot wounds. He died of complications arising from Covid-19.
😂
NYC’s gun laws are insane Hoplophobic crap.
Still need to know what went on in that store between those two guys.
Where in the hell is De Blasio’s armed security when you need them?
“He could’ve shot him in the leg. He could’ve pushed him. Why did he have to shoot him five times?”
You guys say that so much here, I literally read that as a parody at first.
May he only shot 5 times cause he had a revolver…..Next time go double stack 9, won’t run out that fast!
True dat
In WV about 40 years ago I was watching a murder trial in the local paper and news. The murder weapon was a .32 acp that should have held 8-9 rounds. The guy that did the killing was claiming self defense. He fired 5 shots. The state was questioning him on the stand. When asked why he fired 5 shots he said, ‘that was all the bullets I had.’
Number of shots fired in such an incident really doesn’t mean a lot. Maybe our man had a double stack but only fired 5 because that’s all it took?
Officer, “Ma’am, why did you shoot him five times?”
Lady, “Because I ran out of bullets”.
I will say it because no one else will. If you are a jewish diamond merchant with $18,000 in your pocket. You too can get a gun permit as well in NYC. But if your jewish and not a jem seller. Or your not jewish at all. No gun permit for you. Only selected government people and select jem sellers get gun permits in NYC.
The only bigotry that exists is in the city government de-selection process. If this was a southern town in 1955. It would be called racist gun control. When Rev Martin Luther king was denied a gun permit. After house was bombed.
You should drink a gallon of bleach, you anti-Semitic sack of sh!t.
So guns are for only the well connected white Jew correct?? No guns for law abiding black people.
Sounds very familiar. Racist gun control indeed.
No, you did you not read it right, he’s not an anti Jewish sack of shit he’s an anti De Beers or anti Jareds sack of shite. Gotta be a diamond merchant and have $18,000 in your pocket
Your an anti-Semite too, apparently.
I didn’t see either of those mentioned
But I did see Jew.
It’s obvious he’s anti-Semitic, as it’s not the first time he has cried ‘the joos’.
Stop trying to white knight for a racist sack of sh!t like Chris
Don’t worry. As I have said before on TTAG. The Christians will save the Jews. As we have always done in the past. The Jews are very good with numbers. And good for them. Seriously.
And the Christians are very, very , good with guns. And we have lots of them.
(Smile)
We have been trying to “convert” them to our way of thinking.
(Smile)
Sadly Only the JPFO has seen the light. But we are still working to “convert” the Jews.
(Smile)
Hydguy,
So I hate myself?
Could be. George Soros is self loathing, so if you are Jewish, as you are trying to imply, I can see you hating yourself out of sine misguided notion..
facts are anti-semitic
No. Chris is, and apparently you are too.
It’s all the ‘joos fault’.
To Hydguy
I know It hurts when anti-civil rights white jews are held accountable, for their crimes against the Bill of Rights.
Good. Pain is a reminder to stop what you are doing.
You just love to parade your anti-Semitism around for everyone to see.
You are a real sack of sh!t.
You mad because a Jewish guy didn’t pay for the trick that created you?
Hey fuck you Jew-hating bastard. Go die in a hole.
Aaron Zelman, founder of the JPFO, has done cartoons featuring anti-civil rights Jewish lawmakers in Nazi uniforms. I think that is very accurate.
What if I’m a non Jewish gem seller? What if I’m a Jew but just deal with large bags of cash? and not gems? Do I have to be Jewish and a gem dealer? That’s messed up man
You’re not in the right club. It seems very few are.
Sooooo, assuming the story we have is correct, if a person is attacking me with a knife, I’m suppose to push him away, let’s ask every cop we run into if they’re being attacked by a knife will they just simply push them away? Or shoot him in the leg? Which will the cop do?
As crazy as this sounds but it’s cheaper liability wise, if a liability thing comes out of this, to kill the attacker than to wound him, if the victim shot the attacker in the leg than the the attacker could have claimed life long injuries and want to lots of money to take care of him.
This is AGAIN, one of those things where the attacker has all the rights and the victim has none.
He isn’t being charged with shooting the guy, only with illegally possessing the firearm he shot him with. NYC has two kinds of permits, a premises permit, allowing you to keep that particular firearm on the described premises (and nowhere else, unless being transported unloaded and in a locked container) and a carry permit. The latter are as rare as hen’s teeth, the former available after jumping through a bunch of hoops. But this guy, even assuming he had a premises permit, wasn’t on the “right” premises. If he is really lucky, it is the bodega owner’s gun and there was a permit for it.
The knife laws in NYC are so stringent, I would be surprised if Candelario’s knife wasn’t illegal. They have most folding knives classed as ‘Gravity Knives’ if they can be flicked open. Knives must have blades no more than 4 inches, and if you have it clipped to your pocket with the clip visible, it is ‘open view’ and you’re subject to arrest. Knives have to be unseen unless they are ‘in legitimate use’.
a Federal Judge ruled that NYCs gravity knife law was unconstitutionally vague and tossed it last year .
Of course he could have used his knee on the perps neck to execute him, but wait, this was self defense. Never-mind. The inconsistency of laws regarding self defense in this county is ridiculous, what manner you chose to defend yourself should not be used to prosecute you for a perceived violation of some obscure code violation. He was on private property, he was not carrying the weapon in public This was a clear case of self defense, the death of George Floyd was a clear case of murder and civil rights violation..
As I said above, the article states that he is not being charged with the shooting, only illegal possession of a firearm.
And you can bet your ass the cop (who has already been fired) WILL be tried and convicted of at least 2nd degree murder and then the Feds will take a shot at the hate crime thing if Minnesota does not have a law of their own.. Dumbass cop killed that man and three other cops stood by and watched they better be charged as well since they’ve all been fired…
This sounds like a weird story so I’ll be interested to hear more… but as usual, the family that run to the press to make statements about how you should “push” someone (allegedly) threatening you with a knife are complete morons.
The stupid aunt should be put in a ring with a guy holding a knife and see how long she can push him before she taps out.
With what little info…sounds justified.
Defend yourself = go to jail.
Kill thousands of old people = become a beloved Governor.
Lesson learned — New Yorkers are the dumbest @$$h0les in America. Bar none. I mean, they make Cleveland look smart.
So the news video says he shot a customer.
Is that the New York version of a visitor? Cause that’s what we have in Florida around Panama City.
I think if visitors beat us and customers stab us…..we got a problem.
I think the media needs to learn definitive English.
Are you sure this is about carry? Sounds to me it was about possession of a hangun without a permit which is even more egregious.
Bernhard Goetz II
My hero!!!
A. Judged by 12
B. Carried by 6
A. 100%
Amazing all the rushes to judgment. no one knows anything really from the reports. A friend’s brother (heroin addict) literally pulled a stocking down over his face, took a handgun, and walked into a five-and-dime store where his best friend was working behind the counter. Pulled a gun on him, demanding the contents of the register. The friend pulled a double stack Sig from under the counter and emptied the magazine into him killing him on the spot. Was it a actual robbery, or maybe an inside job that didn’t go quite the way the deceased and potential accomplice planned? Who knows? Not me. Widow at the wake (with track marks up and down her arms) all she kept repeating was, “why didn’t he shoot him in the arm?” Other friends knew it was a real robbery. That’s just what he did for a fix.
SCOTUS please hear and decide Rogers v. Grewal and end the debate about what, where, and by whom bear arms means once and for all.
The family has not heard of the 21 foot rule of knife versus gun.
Okay, auntie, I will come at you with a knife and you will try to push me, let’s see how it goes.
Same thing up in Minneapolis last week. Pawn shop owner defending his life and property in his business, shoots and kills a looter and the cops charge him with murder. He was supposed to retreat, because they do not believe in the castle doctrine in a business. In a home it’s OK to defend yourself but not in your business. With all the rioters and looting and burning out side where the hell was he supposed to retreat to. A white guy in a black neighborhood during a riot, what do you think his chances would have been outside.
Same as Illinois this shit hole wants you to pay for ccw classes which cost $150 then pay the state another $150 and wait in the huge back log of state police paper work to get one. Seams when the feds forced Illinois to institute the ccw they should havr also mandated it be affordable for all not just the well off.
I am very glad that I have been able to get a gun permit , and carry my weapon in many states . I will never understand how New York gets bye without having to honor the constitution .
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