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“A San Francisco man was arrested for carrying a loaded semi-automatic assault pistol at the Civic Center BART Station this weekend,” sfgate.com reports. “A commuter reported seeing a man on the platform with a gun hidden under his jacket at about 6 p.m. Sunday, according to BART police Lt. Michael Hayes. Officers disarmed and arrested Gebrael Admasu, 23, who they said was carrying a loaded Intratec-9 semi-auto pistol, an assault weapon banned in California.” God I hate sensationalism. Anyway, just to remind you [via cpmlegal.com] . . . “While the TEC-9’s 32-round capacity may be an asset in a standoff against the police, or in fending off a rival drug gang, it is a liability in the average home defense scenario. The typical home defense scenario does not require more than the 6-10 round capacity of an ordinary revolver or semi-automatic pistol.” So now you know. [h/t Aharon]

 

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    • Yeah, I really don’t see concealing something like that. On a related note, I also don’t understand people who talk about concealing an AR pistol. I hear it occasionally, most recently in that NSN chinrest stock thing post. By any definition, an AR pistol is “big,” and hardly concealable, unless you’re wearing a duster or a trenchcoat.

      • Just think Katrina. Good guys and bad guys, and both sets want your guns. A concealable (as in a backpack, suitcase, or jacket) while hoofing it on foot (e.g. if gas was not available or whatever from a localized disaster) is a Very Good Thing (TM).

  2. The “typical home defense scenario” does not exist. We don’t arm our homes for a typical day. We arm them for that 0.05% chance that today is an exceptional one. And when an exception happens, we aren’t going to limit our ability to respond with as much firepower is necessary based on what is “typical”; because “typical” will have already flown the coop by then.

  3. No amount of gun laws in the world would of stopped this individual from shooting up the place had he been struck by the capricious fancy to do so. It is pathetic how the antis argue the more restrictive gun ownership is, the greater the security. Reality has shown that the perceived security from gun restrictions/bans is nothing but an illusion. In the end, an alert individual accomplished more than gun laws written by ignorant politicians who were voted into office by equally ignorant people.

  4. Who in their right mind carries a TEC-9, anyhow? Sure, you’ll get plenty of practice clearing malfunctions, but your odds of actually hitting your target make Vegas look like a sure thing.

    • Tek9s were specifically targetted for a ban after a man walked into the Law Offices of Petit & Martin at 101 California St. in San Francisco in 1993, killing eight secretaries and attorneys and wounding six more before taking his own life in a staircase. He was armed with two Tek9s he’d purchased in Vegas and a Norinko M1911. Some of his rounds were the evil “Black Talon”.

  6. Only useful in a gang related or shooting at police? Not needed for personal defense? Nice fear mongering, local media.

  7. I’m only 45 but my eye sight must be going fast…Ya’ll keep talking about TEC-9’s, I never saw a gun in that video, just some hot asian girl moving around ;o)

    • Your vision wasn’t helped any by a camera operator that was a little more interested in chest-shots and down-shirt shots than the actual disassembly and disassembly. The Tec-9 was second to those shots.

  9. Half-jokingly, I can understand the man feeling that he might need high-capacity as he rides the BART Train from the SF Civic Center over err rather underneath the bay waters through the tunnel emerging into Oakland California. There is a Bay Area joke that the Oakland-San Francisco Bay Bridge connects the nuts with the fruits.

  10. So after I fire my 6-10 shots the home intruder goes “Ok, you’ve got me” and calmy sits down at my kitchen table while I serve him a snack and we both wait for the cops?

    • Well, you could actually hit him with the first 6 or so rounds. Or maybe change mags?

      Or get a shotgun if precision isn’t your thing. Or maybe join the NYPD if you need to fire 40 rounds to hit one bad guy? Or get a rifle if you like 30 round mags.

        • I didn’t say you don’t have to aim, but wouldn’t you agree that the much longer sight radius of a shotgun makes aiming significantly easier?

          I didn’t assume that Johnny wasn’t aiming – rather that he was having trouble effectively aiming his pistol well.

    • If you can not hit a target or intruder with 6-10 shots a pistol
      may not be for you or you need more range time.

      A pistol grip 16″ lg. barrel 12 guage pump may be more useful to you.

      • To Anon in CT and Aragorn: You’re perpetuating the “you don’t need to aim a shotgun” myth. At “inside the house, across the room” distances, the spread on a load of 12 gauge might be two inches. Probably less.

        • You certainly need to aim it, but the larger issue is that they tend to cause significantly more “bad guy on floor bleeding out” damage, regardless of where you hit the guy.

          Plus, there’s always bird shot.

  11. Yes, more rounds in a magazine are a LIABILITY!

    I wish I had low enough ethics to get all wibbly-wobbly with the English language. It’d be a lot easier to convert sheep to the cause.

  12. a tec9 should no more be illegal than any “modern rifle”. however, if you own a tec9 you show a decided lack of taste and judgement. neither of which should be regulated by law. but your family and freinds should do an intervention on your behalf.

    • How about if I get a Baby Browning in .25 caliber as its playmate? I have neither (yet), but I do have a few guns of questionable value in a firefight. I got them just because they’re interesting. And, well, just because.

      • your baby browning is a classic and i would bet it functions as it;s supposed to. and i didn’t say the tec9 should be illegal, it should not. but back in the day before difi had her way i got to use a tec9 and found it to be wanting in every respect. and very few of my guns would be of much use in a firefight so i do understand your point.

  14. “While the TEC-9′s 32-round capacity may be an asset in a standoff against the police, or in fending off a rival drug gang, it is a liability in the average home defense scenario.”

    A standard or high capacity magazine is a liability to anyone in any scenario who thinks the number of rounds is somehow an offset for or makes up for poor marksmanship. They tend to encourage the lazy to not practise, the attitude being that hey, I’ll throw 20 plus round out there I must hit him at least a couple of times, right? Vice, hey I’ve only got eight I better not waste any…

    There was an article in the LA times a while back about how the number of shootings were down, but the deaths per shooting had risen in the last few years. As the standard capacity mags have become less available, and the reduced capacity 10rds magazines more prevalent it seems like the gang members are aiming vice spraying and praying. Result, more dead gang members less innocent bystanders getting hit.

    • “There was an article in the LA times a while back about how the number of shootings were down, but the deaths per shooting had risen in the last few years. As the standard capacity mags have become less available, and the reduced capacity 10rds magazines more prevalent it seems like the gang members are aiming vice spraying and praying. Result, more dead gang members less innocent bystanders getting hit.”

      This is where matt chimes in with that “race war” video, where the guy talks about doing just that. I mean, he does it in the context of “making your shots count against whitey,” but the message is still the same. Don’t spray & pray, make ’em count.

    • I really doubt it is difficult to get hi-cap mags in CA, especially because you can legally order them as parts kits.

      • You are correct Matt.
        In fact owning them un-assembled is legal but putting them together is a felony.
        To that end it is quite conceivable that there are a lot of AR owners out there who quietly have magazines and normal magazine release buttons sitting in their safes, just in case TSHTF. At that point I am sure the LEO’s won’t really care much.
        I don’t feel the need to own a TEC-9 but I don’t think it should stop others. Then again I would love to have normal capacity magazines, but can’t.
        We can debate all day about what you think you might need or why, but if there wasn’t a need gun makers wouldn’t make them now would they?

      • the last gun show i went to at the cow palace they had “hi-cap magazine repair kits” for sale. every ziploc baggie contained the parts to put together a 30 round mag with a big red warning label that the “kits” were to be used to refurbish existing mags and that to assemble them into a complete mag would constitute a felony.

        it’s not difficult to get anything in ca. it’s just how many convictions and how much jail time are you willing to risk for these items?

        • And there is one more exception–prior to 2000 large capacity mags were legal and were grandfathered in by the new law–so if you have pre-ban mags, you can keep them and repair them as necessry. And it is the burden of the prosecutor to show that you did not own the mag pre-ban. But that won’t stop the police from confiscating them or charges from being filed.

  17. “While the TEC-9′s 32-round capacity may be an asset in a standoff …, it is a liability in the average home defense scenario.”

    And this expert advice on firearms self-defense use comes from – who? Why, those handgun and shooting experts at the law firm of “Cotchett, Pitre & McCarthy, based on the San Francisco Peninsula for over 40 years, [which] engages exclusively in litigation. The firm’s dedication to prosecuting or defending socially just actions has earned it both a national and statewide reputation. With offices in Burlingame, Los Angeles, Sacramento, New York and the Washington D.C. area ….”

    Yes indeed, that’s a group which is uniquely qualified to advise you on what firearms are best for home defense. Sort of like Bill Clinton giving advice on how to be faithful to your wife, or Barack Obama giving advice on how to reduce the US debt.

  18. Hi guys it is the 45 man again….. this is the United States of America, the land of the free and home of the brave……. one should be able to own what ever firearm he wants to own…… your right to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. Cal. is infringing on your rights if you live there…… I think it is a crazy weapon and I for one have no use for it, but that is me…. BUY A GUN KEEP AMERICA FREE…

  20. Has the Tec-9 ever been used for actual fighting through an objective by any actual military force? I don’t believe it has. I certainly can’t imagine sending a squad of infantrymen to clear a building or a fighting trench armed only with semi-automatic pistols, high-capacity magazine or not.

  21. One thing I don’t get from the video is their clearing procedure: cycle action, pull trigger, cycle action, pull trigger. It seems to me, if you somehow missed a live round the first time you opened the action, it should quickly become obvious on that first trigger pull.

  22. If it is not automatic (which I suppose would have some room clearing potential), then what good is it for anything but looking scary vs other 9mm guns. A short barreled, non accurate uzi that is not automatic.

  23. There is no “typical” defense scenario. If I choose a Tec-9 to defend my home, that’s my choice. It’s a crappy gun, but my choice. Second if the guy was so dangerous, why did he submit to police arresting him.

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