CBP Email to Agents: Qual Ammo Only

1. So where’s the one billion plus bullets the government bought?

   • Was just wondering if that was being facetious

   • I believe that that was a contract for UP TO 1.6 billion rounds, indefinite quantity/indefinite delivery. It is basically a guarantee from the seller that DHS will get the agreed upon price, without any actual guarantee from DHS that they will buy any (or if they do, when they will demand delivery of it) during the term of the contract.

   • That is over a 20 year period. That us a false report as is this email about this quarters qual. Welcome to conspiracy tahirt dealers spreading lies to sell you their gear

2. “You may be wondering WTF. Didn’t you read somewhere that the DHS bought billions of rounds of ammo over the last year or so? Yes. Yes you did. Thanks to Senator Coburn, you can click here to read who’s got what, who needs what and where all the cartridges are going.”

   Oh. THAT. MSNBC and CNN “explained” that already. Just a “conspiracy theory” spread by the feeble-minded and terrorist pro-gun groups. Nothing to see here. ICE CREAM!!! Wouldn’t you like some RIGHT NOW? Wash your fears and doubts away with delicious Napolitano Neopolitan ICE CREAM!!!

   MMMmmmmm…..

3. CPB = Customs and Porder Batrol??

   • Yes… that’s the agency acronym.

     • No, the correct acronym is CBP, not CPB. BP as in Border Patrol. The headline is incorrect.

       • CBP: Customs and Border Protection

         The U.S. Border Patrol is an agency within CBP.

         CBP and ICE are part of the Department of Homeland Security.

     • Cry me a river CPD. Consequences of 2008 and 2012 elections.

4. All that video is missing is a good old MST3K riff…

   Probably my favorite short:
   youtube.com/watch?v=_Hh4M4vipAo

5. “Hanlon’s Razor baby: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.”

   Heinlein dammit, Heinlein’s Razor.

   • I do like a man who knows his Heinlein.

     • Hanlon’s Razor is considered to be a corruption of Heinlein’s Razor which is along the lines of “Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity, but don’t rule out malice.”.

       So they say…

       • Stupidity is sugar coated carelessness.
         Carelessness is sugar coated malice.
         A shot to the heart will kill, no matter from cold blooded assassination or misplaced aim at a deer standing in front of a crowd.

       • Which in turn may be a derivative of Grey’s Law – “Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.” Itself a humorous rendition of Clark’s Third Law – “any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.”

     • don’t they talk about razors on that other site? TTAK?

6. Maybe the ammo gets shipped over the border to supply those Fast and Furious guns???

   • Ouch.

7. Ignoring for the moment they may have ammo sitting unused, didn’t DHS say they need thousands of rounds per user per year for training? And this is saying the quarterly allotment for practice is 150 rounds, so 600 per year?

   I’m not saying the government is stocking up and I’m not saying they’re not, but I am saying their answers have been mighty inconsistent.

8. It seems that Customs used about 14,000,000 rounds per year, and Secret Service used about 1,800,000 rounds per year for the last three years on Operations. Just what is Operations? If they are using that much ammo per year just what are they shooting at, and why don’t they seem to be hitting anything?

9. I viewed the link and did the calculations for 2012
   http://www.coburn.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?a=Files.Serve&File_id=9cde768f-bb3a-4fd9-8176-1745c21519c2
   Total Rounds Purchased 103,178,200
   Total Cost $ 36,535,910
   This comes up to 35 cents a round. I would think they would get a better discount than this.

   • The Government isn’t exactly in the business of getting discounts. It’s other people’s money.

   • With the way Big O and the progladytes are keeping the
     economy in the gutter, many companies not only won’t
     give discounts anymore but will refuse government or
     municipal money. Sounds strange but I’ve seen both
     large and small businesses do this because they can’t
     count on being paid in a timely fashion, if at all.

     • “Progladytes” I LIKE that. Can I steal that from you and post it to othr blogs?

       • We are already forgetting again how counter productive doing something stupid as that is?

   • they bought hollowpoints not FMJ

   • If earlier discussions were accurate, those purchases were for hollow point duty rounds which *would* make 35 cents a bargain price. Retail pricing was from around 50 cents to over one dollar before SHTF (Sandy Hook Total Freak-out).

     • I’ve bought LE surplus .40 HPs for .35 a round (Surplus Ammo, Lakewood WA but this was early 2012). And that’s at retail. Of course, county govs in WA are a little better at procurement and discounts than the feds.

10. So first there’s an article about the Mexican cartels gearing up. Then two articles later is a story about the Border Patrol barely having enough ammo to carry, much less practice.

    That doesn’t sound like a good mix at all.

    • All the more reason why the 2nd Amendment is so important…the gov’t can’t be relied upon for protection, and anybody who thinks otherwise is a fool.

      In fact, I want a tax break for guns and ammo purchases because I’m improving and ensuring domestic security!

    • Where are the Mexican cartels getting their ammo?

      • Europe? USSR? US factories? Home made?
        Not that it matters: we know that American shooters are the low end of the totem pole and that shit ammo that rolls downhill is what we get. Oh, and empty shelves at LGS’, et al.

11. Take the ammo from o’s guards, the SS(secret service) & the double naught spies. This bloated buerocracy can pound sand. Pare that abomination down to size & there will be plenty of ammo, Randy

12. F.Y.I.
    That 1.6 Billion rounds of ammunition that the Department of Homeland Security ordered covers a few years — and most if not all of the pistol ammunition is hollowpoint.

    I love it. The Department of Homeland Security issued purchase requisitions for enough combat ammunition (hollowpoints) to wage a domestic war for 22 years — at the same consumption rate as the peak of foreign operations in Iraq/Afghanistan — but they don’t have any training ammunition.

    Maybe that explains why they purchased so much combat ammunition: they knew their agents would be poor marksman (because they have no training ammunition) so they ordered lots of extra combat ammunition.

    Their strategy actually kills two birds with one stone:
    (1) DHS gets all the ammunition they want.
    (2) Their giant order consumes almost all domestic production capacity resulting in extremely scarce ammunition availability for citizens who become relatively defenseless.

13. Like these chuckleheads actually shoot someone? Last I heard, they only had bean-bag roumds, and were ordered to help the mules get their bales of drugs safely over the border. The SW border is probably safer then the streets of Chicago.

14. I’ve said this before. If you think the government is capable of planning and implementing a complex and long term conspiracy it’s obvious that you’ve never worked for them. 30+ years at federal state and local has left me with the certain knowledge that if there is a vast government conspiracy it’s quite accidental and is not being controlled by anybody.

    Sort of like that old line about a 100 chimps banging on a typewriter over a 100 years will get you a shakespeare play. Or something to that effect.

    I have no doubt that if the government had over a billion rounds of ammo delivered it was lost in the system, stolen by the people handling it and used to make up shortages in other programs to hide the ineptitude of various managers and bean counters.

    • “I have no doubt that if the government had over a billion rounds of ammo delivered it was lost in the system, stolen by the people handling it and used to make up shortages in other programs to hide the ineptitude of various managers and bean counters.”

      Oh, now that’s priceless!!! : )

    • This word you keep using, “conspiracy” … I do not think it means what you think it means. These aren’t “secrets”, and these weren’t deals made behind closed doors in smoke-filled rooms. The contracts were on http://www.fbo.gov for all (who were curious) to see … and add up with a calculator. But to be precise, the total amounts (upwards of 2B at this point) have not been delivered yet – only a fraction of that has so far.

      • I agree with Phyziq.

15. Perhaps in a warehouse in Vera Cruz? Just a guess, no positive info..

16. “Budget cuts” being the key phrase, I smell another unintended consequences of the sequester gimmick.

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