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Irregardless? Agrammatical blues aside, I agree with Newark Mayor Cory Booker: New Jersey’s gun laws shouldn’t apply to Alaska or Florida or anywhere else, ever. But vice versa? Bring it on! As the huffingtonpost.com reports, the National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act (H.R. 822) dictates that a person carrying a concealed handgun legally under his or her state law “shall be permitted to carry a handgun subject to the same conditions or limitations that apply to residents of the State who have permits issued by the State or are otherwise lawfully allowed to do so by the State.” The problem being?
The best part is the comments. The vast majority of HuffPo readers are saying this guy needs to STFU and CCW needs to be nationwide.
The tide has turned. After 8 years out of power, after hundreds of police abuse videos, after 9/11 and Katrina, after two decades of data that goes against their position, the vast majority of folks who held weakened anti-gun positions have flipped and are now leaning pro-gun rights.
The only people remaining who are pro gun-control are hardcore shrill morons and politicians who hail from places where those shrill voices control the dialog. The tide is against them.
+1 this guy’s a windbag.
He states that certain states may allow those convicted of assault to carry. Uhh… doesn’t FEDERAL law not allow you to even own a gun in the house if convicted of a felony?
HEY! Don’t let facts get in the way of his argument!
Assault is a felony? Huh? Did you mean to say misdemeanor domestic battery or a violent felony? Not that I agree with either prohibition.
Sooo…. A responsible gun owner with a CCW permit would put other civilians and officers at risk, eh? Gee, Cory, I guess you are saying all that because thanks to current NJ restrictive gun laws the crime rate in your city is super low, right? Oh, wait, no it isn’t. Let’s see….Camden, Newark, Paterson…. each one is just a sea of tranquility, except for that pesky statistic where those three towns are probably the least safe in NJ, and maybe the whole country. And with recent cuts in police force (in all of those cities, I believe), I’m sure that more gun restrictions put on law abiding citizens will only result in less crime, and more rainbows and butterflies.
What an interesting YouTube Channel they have put together.
By this logic states should also not recognize other states drivers licences… Hum, I’d like to keep California drivers out of Oregon.
We are just there because of your no-sales-tax law. Your fault! lol
I think he’d also support requiring passports to cross state lines. We don’t know what sort of people California lets walk around freely – we need to inspect them when they cross the border into another state.
Maybe we should require passports for people traveling from California and New Jersey… I mean, I need a passport when I drive into Miami!
@Adam: Well, I’d like to keep California drivers out of California given that I live here and observe them driving, if you can call it that. If I could sever my ties here, I’d move to a FREE state like Arizona.
Never trust anyone who “slow” blinks to embolden his statement. It means he knows what he is saying is not true.
Although all 50 states recognize each others driver’s licenses, this might be by tradition or mutual compact, not necessarily a US constitutional requirement, and not necessarily something the federal government can legislate. Law professor Eugene Volokh (pro gun rights btw.) discussed this a few years ago:
http://volokh.com/2007/07/18/interstate-recognition-of-licenses/
I am not convinced it is wise to seek federally mandated CCW reciprocity, especially when there is quite a bit of reciprocity already. Any increase in federal power to usurp states’ rights should be carefully considered. The piece of legislation you love today could be used as precedent for something else that bites you in the tuchas later.
Actually, I’m pretty sure that drivers license reciprocity and consistency is tied to federal highway funding.
The federal government *is* allowed to do that, i.e. put strings on funding, where the state must use the state’s powers a certain way or else not get the funding.
Doing some research, it is not actually tied to anything. It is just an agreement between states. I personally thought it would be tied to interstate commerce rules that can only be set by congress, but the research showed I was wrong.
There have been several Driver’s License Compacts between states but nothing at the federal level.
Also, consistent with the stupidity of NJ, NY and MA gun laws, these states are either not in the compact or have special rules that do not comply with other states.
NJ, for instance, applies state laws to your out of state infractions as if you had a violation in NJ including if you had an out of state infraction where that state does not deduct any points, NJ will still deduct points in NJ bascially forcing NJ drivers to comply with NJ law even when they are out of state.
What is really interesting is starting in 2014 everyone will need to sign up for RealID and which point everyone will go into a national database.
Wikipedia has a lot more, this link is just a little bit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driver's_license_in_the_United_States
Any increase in federal power to usurp states’ rights should be carefully considered.
True, but applying this to HR822 is nonsense. HR822 enforces states rights by providing that a state’s license must be respected.
No, it’s a zero sum game. One state wins, the other loses.
I’m actually AGAINST federal legislation that covers CCWs across the nation.
It’s too dangerous in that once the federal government gets that power, it may be used to reverse the gains, dictating to the STATES what they can allow and do.
Although I believe the Constitution states what it states, in today’s world, I’d leave it up to the individual states to decide for themselves.
If Obama is elected again, the USSC may sway the wrong way.
+1 I have the same misgivings about the new bill. From what has been going around the internets it is my understanding that some parties would like this new power to go to the FBI. Having someone control CCW that is appointed every 4-8 years is a bad idea.
What new power? If you find it in the bill, let me know because I don’t see it. The whole notion of a federal takeover under HR822 is a false flag.
1:28 “Local states should make their own choices.”
Did this person pass Social Studies in elementary school? It’s local, state, federal as taught in grade school. What does he mean by that phrase? Local to what? Itself, other states perhaps?
Also, aside from his blatant saying “Every other state can go to Hell, that’s okay but not here in New Jersey” he is not speaking any facts at all except saying that there’s a list of other mayors who are as stupid as he is. No state lets you own a weapon if you’re convicted of any of the things he mentioned. Concealed weapon permit holders are also not your mall shooters. If he could spot one who did something atrocious I’m sure he would have. In this case, making up that us permit holders are all psychopaths out to destroy small towns, neighborhoods, and towns under the mayor’s nose, he is so full of crap his ear wax should be brown.
If NJ must recognize other state carry permits, it dilutes the ability of corrupt NJ officials to use CCW permits for political patronage. Ditto NYC.
Remember how desperately Philadelphia fought against PA’s state gun law preemption statute? Corruption hates open borders and a level playing field.
Let’s take Cory at his word. How’s the local community policies on preventing gun violence working out in Newark? After all these years of draconian restrictions in The Garden State what do they have to show for it?
I like Cory and he’s done some good things for the Newark area but he needs to realize authorizing permitted people to carry is a good thing. We are talking about people that were checked out by LEO already, not unknown persons hiding in the shadows. Even when we go through proper channels it’s amazing how that’s not good enough, they just want a ban on carry . One day Newark will see the light, like Fresno recently did.
Fresno an Newark and completely different.
You need to read the Fresno back story. They are just expanding on what the county already does.
Newark, Camden and Patterson are a mess. The Mayor is either mis-informed about how you can get a permit or is pandering to a mostly liberal crowd.
NJ’s gun laws are a mess and many legit people have gone to jail for really stupid infractions which have done nothing but cost the citizen and the state money but have prevented no crimes. In general, the NJ gun laws need to be reset and move from their dark age origins including adding it to their constitution. However, this will never ever happen given that it is a heavy union, heavy liberal state with many transplates from NYC that impose their new values on their newly adopted state — plus, they are not fiscally doing well and have a lot of curruption that is maintained to keep the currupt in power.
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