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We had steel breastplates that would stop full on battle rifle rounds in the first world war. LV 3 is older than x39 in all but classification. If there is a lv3a (pistol level 2 new regs) that can stop it that drops it’s ability to bypass armor is even lower than I thought of it. Typically I would use the European scale for splitting hairs but for 7.62×39 it is below all but the weakest level 3 plates and even then needs real AP ammo to get those.

With that said lot to be said for larger heavier bullets at close range that have good barrier (walls unarmored vehicles etc) penetration that can be fired quickly with large magazines in dense environments. Lot of good things about the round but armor penetration is not one of them.

‘ We had steel breastplates that would stop full on battle rifle rounds in the first world war.’

Not many people had access and those that had them couldn’t move because of the weight. Modern body armor that could reliably stop rifle rounds didn’t come about until after Vietnam.

They were used in trench warfare and under 20 pounds so in many ways lighter (but more poorly distributed) than the kit I had to wear over a decade ago but yes were not common. The Vietnam era plates initially were largely for aircrews but yes alumina oxide with ballistic fiberglass used then is still in use now. Also widespread use of rifle level body armor is very recent as in after 2004. Doesn’t change 7.62×39 being utter dog shit against armor.

‘Also widespread use of rifle level body armor is very recent as in after 2004. Doesn’t change 7.62×39 being utter dog shit against armor.’

After 2004. You do realize a great number of people were shot with 7.62×39 long before that and that not all body armor is rated for rifle calibers.

Which is what I said yesterday.

Also, I had Vietnam-era body armor during Desert Storm. Since no one was shooting at our planes with pistol caliber weapons, it was fu*king useless.

Obviously not the ceramic plate and it sounds like your kit may have been pre PAGST. Yes x39 was a excellent short to mid range caliber. It no longer fits that role even compared to 5.56 options which were easily competitive the entire time. It isn’t obsolescent yet but we are at a point where rifle armor is cheaper than pistol armor and has been for a decade and few current soldiers do not have easy access to such equipment and the training+tactics that go with it outside of Russia……..which is in some ways hilarious as they constantly advertised all kinds of plates that ultimately turned out to be vaporware. In any case rifle fire is a distant threat compared to explosives in all kinds of fun setups lately.

Glad to hear that 7.62×39 isn’t obsolete yet and if I shoot someone at short to mid-range distances they will still be fuc*ing dead – Despite what ammo advances have occurred since its introduction.

As far as the rest of your post, I have no idea what you are trying to say.

People hit with 7.62×39 rounds, inside or outside of Russia, no matter what training/tactics, or the hilarity of what’s been advertised, will still be in a for a world of hurt.

Sigh ok you are offended by my comparing your favored round to something like 30-40 Krag in it’s current relevance. Any bullet can kill but against standard and increasing cheap equipment it is essentially neutered for center of mass shots. Learn from the advance of technology and tactics and move on. Lots of stuff I learned for deployment is quickly becoming outdated and barely relevant. Can only imagine what you would notice with over 30 years.

My new favored rounds are 300 and 8.6 BLK. Super or subsonic rounds, long or short-barreled guns depending on the mission.

I think the idea that any round is irrelevent because someone ‘might’ be wearing body armor (when most don’t) is a very weak argument.

I noticed over the last 30 years since Desert Storm that AKs and other guns that shoot 7.62 ammo are ubiquitous and are still killing people by the thousands each year.

‘Learn from the advance of technology and tactics and move on. Lots of stuff I learned for deployment is quickly becoming outdated and barely relevant.’

What ‘basics’ of infantry tactics did you learn that were not taught during WWII, Korea, Vietnam, or Iraq and Afghanistan? What has become outdated today?

Besides providing information on enemy intentions/movements, our first priority in combat was Force Protection. Providing TIC (Troops in Contact) support. We told the good guys what the bad guys were doing and often times what they were going to do before they did it.

We knew the tactics of our forces and the tactics of the enemy. While their technology does change some things that necessitate quicker response times, our tech counters a lot.

All of this has not changed the basics. The same basic infantry tactics my dad used in Vietnam in 1968 were the same I learned supporting US forces in Iraq in 1991 and were the same my son used in Afghanistan in 2010.

Been noticing a movement away from 7.62×39 towards 5.45 and 5.56 depending on the region and as to basics that we’re not covered back then it was more infrared signature discipline, radio jamming, counter insurgency, and precision ordinance being the heavy focus over artillery and mass infantry tactics. The suicide drones getting stupidly cheap are going to drive a lot of changes in kit training and focus but yes there will be some aspects that never change or are adapted versions of previous. Rifle armor made a huge difference in how we are attacked by insurgents, they largely switched from sniper/lmg fire to ied. As to actual near peer conflict I would very closely watch the Israel Iran conflict as well as the much lower tech Russia (China by proxy) Ukraine conflict for a hint of how relevant/effective various tactics and equipment is. 7.63×39 will always be great at slaughtering unarmored civilians and soldiers but the latter part of that equation is becoming less available to the few that still use the round.