Though the Daniel Penny trial is deadlocked with the judge urging jurors to continue deliberating, should they reach a decision, the verdict may ultimately be on something far bigger than the actions of one Marine on a New York City subway. It could be about what kind of country we want to be—a nation of men and women willing to step up in the face of danger, or a nation of cowards who film chaos on their phones and do nothing to stop it.
Penny, a Marine veteran, was riding the subway when Jordan Neely—a man with a long history of mental health issues and violent outbursts—began threatening passengers. Witnesses described Neely’s behavior as erratic and frightening. Penny acted decisively, restraining him in a chokehold to prevent what he and others clearly believed was a potential attack. Tragically, Neely died.
What followed wasn’t a nuanced look at a tragic situation, but an immediate rush to blame Penny, in part or in whole, because Penny is white and Neely was black. Neely also had a history of mental illness…and violence. His death was tragic, but the threat he posed to passengers on the F train that day was real. Despite that, Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg wasted no time charging Penny with second-degree manslaughter. Bragg, known for his soft-on-crime policies, seemed determined to make an example of Penny—a man who, unlike the violent criminals Bragg often releases with a slap on the wrist, tried to protect people. How dare he?!? That’s Bragg’s providence.
Make no mistake, the prosecution of Penny sends a chilling message to all Americans: if you step up to stop violence, you might become the next defendant. At the very least it tells us that in Bragg’s New York, the safest course of action is to do nothing. Let the chaos unfold, keep your hands to yourself and pray the police arrive before anyone gets seriously hurt (and in Bragg’s New York as well as other cities with liberal district attorneys, even the police may wind up getting charged.) Better yet, pull out your phone and get it all on video. At least you won’t end up behind bars. Dead or seriously wounded maybe, but not behind bars.
The irony is almost unbearable. In a time when violent crime is rising and public safety feels more fragile than ever, Penny’s actions represented exactly the kind of courage we need. He saw people in danger and acted, not out of malice but out of a sense of duty to protect those around him. He didn’t wake up that morning or board that subway training thinking, “I want to hurt or kill somebody today.” His sense of duty—the willingness to defend others even at personal risk—is at the core of what makes a society function. Without it, we’re just bystanders to our own demise.
And let’s not kid ourselves about what happens next if this precedent sticks. Imagine the next subway, the next mall, the next street corner where someone decides to lash out. Will anyone step in? Or will they hesitate, thinking about the potential criminal charges that might await them? Alvin Bragg might not care, he’s sitting safely in his ivory tower, far from the danger spawned by his choices, but the rest of us will be living with the consequences of his decisions for a long time.
It’s worth noting that the jury couldn’t reach a unanimous decision in Penny’s trial—at least not yet, and maybe the won’t. That’s no surprise. The case was never black and white, and it shouldn’t have been brought to court in the first place. Prosecuting Penny wasn’t about justice—it was about politics. It was about sending a message that the powers-that-be are more interested in virtue-signaling than protecting their citizens.
But here’s the real question: What kind of country do we want to live in? Do we want to raise our kids in a world where good men like Daniel Penny are punished for doing the right thing, or do we want to stand behind them? Do we want to reward courage or cultivate a culture of fear? Part of that answer arrived during last month’s elections where a majoirty of Americans voted “enough” on the weakness of our country under the wan leadership of Joe Biden, Kamala Harris and the Democrats and decided they wanted a strong leader, the type who can take a bullet and stand back up undaunted.
Penny’s case isn’t over yet, but the debate it has sparked will echo far beyond an eventual jury verdict. And for those of us who believe in self-defense, courage and the right to protect ourselves and others, the stakes couldn’t be higher. Let’s hope the next good Samaritan isn’t afraid to act—because the alternative is a nation that stands by as chaos reigns.
The Mockery of the Sham That is the Daniel Penny Trial.
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Daniel Penny manslaughter charge was dismissed after jury came back deadlocked on it twice, now they are trying a criminally negligent homicide charge. (jury needed clarification on what a ‘reasonable person’ was, despite the ‘reasonable people’ there at the time on the train praising his actions and were reasonable as the ones in danger. Now the mayor is involved in it basically defending Daniel Penny.)
‘The Five’ reacts to dismissal of Daniel Penny manslaughter charge.
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It also seems the jury is being coerced. They are told that if they can’t do their job (implied to be finding Penny guilty on the criminally negligent homicide charge) they would be dismissed and there would be another trial with a different jury.
This case should have never made it to a court, he should have never been charged. When the jury was deadlocked twice on the manslaughter charge and it was dismissed that should have been the end of it. But the judge (who probably, and according to other legal experts has, violated due process here, and contrary to the instructions the jury received from the judge), and the DA, evidently want to get Penny by any means possible so now the jury is sent back, under coercion, to find Penny guilty for criminally negligent homicide which is not supported by the evidence at all.
Daniel Penny is a hero. He had no intent or desire to cause any death, his only intent was to save people from harm and he did it in a selfless act that exposed him, willing to give his life in exposure, to the danger of (possibly) being stabbed and killed.
Those are standard instructions to a deadlocked jury everywhere, not just NY. It is the duty of the jury to decide a case under the jury instructions given, if it can. Trials are very expensive, and no one wants to have to retry a case, not the judge, not the attorneys, not the court system, and I assume in most cases not the defendant either.
But the instructions were the jury could only consider the criminally negligent homicide charge if they found Penny guilty on the manslaughter charge. Penny was not found guilty on the manslaughter charge, the jury was deadlocked and the manslaughter charge was dismissed. So according to the instructions they should not be be trying to judge the criminally negligent homicide charge.
To tell a jury to decide a case to find a verdict of guilty on a lessor charge that was essentially dismissed from jury purview when the greater charge was dismissed… in violation of the the jury instructions? That’s normal?
Harvard law professors and other legal experts are calling it violation of due process. Is it not a violation of due process?
He should have never been charged. This is a travesty. this happens in blue cities, red cities not so much.
This is why we need to conquer our blue cities. With arms and the military, if needed. We need to conquer them, capture, jail, and try their criminal leaders, abolish their foolish anti-American courts and schools, and we need to put their children in remedial schooling.
Whew, it feels better when I say it out loud. 😉
This is why we need to separate from the blue cities. NYC is not worth the bones of a single Kansas farm boy.
I disagree. Splitting means we end up breaking up into something like the European Union.
Lincoln had it right. No balkanizing.
How many “red cities” are there? I can’t think of….any.
It doesn’t matter. They’re all unarmed anyway.
This is the same NYC that will ” leave no stone unturned ” looking for the white guy that walked up on the CEO of United Healthcare, another white guy, and shot him 3 times and then escaped. Meanwhile, how many black on black gang “personnel level adjustments” happen every day, and the perp gets released before the officers are done with their paperwork?
I think even Snake Plisskin would have reservations about a trip into there today.
CEO Thompson was killed by a hired hitman, paid for by the investor’s group. He was about to announce to the shareholders that UHC was going to double it’s claims payouts to 70% starting in 2025, ahead of the new Trump policies of making the insurers actually pay claims that have been submitted to them.
Stop spewing utter moronic drivel. Adds nothing to the discussion.
White collar white people being gunned down in the streets of a major city scares democrat voters. Black children being gunned down in the streets of a major city seems normal to democrat voters. “You guys stay over there, and I’ll stay over here.”
“This is the same NYC that will ” leave no stone unturned ” looking for the white guy that walked up on the CEO of United Healthcare, another white guy, and shot him 3 times and then escaped. ”
Its been reported the killer [successfully] escaped NYC and this is now a nationwide manhunt. So there’s one stone they turned over and came up with nothing.
That is tragically the norm in Italy…
If you defend yourself or others, you are automatically charged.
If you’re a gun owner, all your guns will be seized, even if you didn’t use them in the act nor had any with you.
Many years after the fact, if you’re lucky, you may be found innocent and end the nightmare. But you’ll never be given your guns or gun permit back.
And, thanks to kommie judges, you will probably be sued by the family of the criminal and end up being condamned to pay lots of money for hurting the perp.
The consequences? People look the other way when something happens.
That is the direction the western world is taking, while importing people from much more violent societies.
This is why my ancestors left Italy.
Very young ancestors then… Things changed in the last 40 years or so.
Luckily, we have a pretty low crime level. The real problem is that defending yourself puts you in more trouble than offending someone. Nowadays;-)
But that is coming everywhere… until it will blow up.
There are those that are screaming about the sins of “vigilante justice” and that it must be stamped out where ever it happens.
It should be no surprise to anyone that people will eventually take matters into their own hands when those we vote to represent us fail in their duty. People like Alvin Bragg are the problem when they promote selective enforcement of the law, not to mention the blatantly biased interpretation of the law that favors “protected” classes of people.
Someone needs to do to Bragg the same as what was done to the CEO.
they will just keep holding trials till they outcome they desire.
So, just like counting votes in California then?
Oh, don’t be silly! Everybody knows Cali can’t count!
The fact of the prosecution was enough for me.
Women in public places can forget about my help when bad men come after them. They voted for this, they can deal with the consequences.
sadly amen
Alvin; from a long list of attorneys funded by Soros.
The incompetent racist POS Bragg proves, again, the no intelligence/brains required to be a prog shyster.
From this article:
“His sense of duty … to … others … is at the core of what makes a society function. Without it, we’re just bystanders to our own demise.”
“Let’s hope the next good Samaritan isn’t afraid to act—because the alternative is a nation that stands by as chaos reigns.”
Those two quotes are very accurate and poignant. They reveal two of the most preeminent objectives of many/most of the Ruling Class. The first preeminent objective is humiliating and degrading the masses–making them suffer for sadistic thrills. The second preeminent objective is killing off the masses.
In case you are wondering if there are any other preeminent objectives of many/most of the Ruling Class, that is of course increasing their wealth and power, although increasing their wealth (already at obscene levels) takes a back seat to their other objectives. (Increasing their wealth takes a back seat because humiliating and degrading the masses–along with killing off the masses–often reduces their wealth. Since their wealth is at obscene levels, however, corresponding reductions in their wealth do not affect their lifestyles.)
What the Ruling Class want is a docile and servile population.
Years ago in London a British soldier was walking in uniform, intentionally hit by an auto then beheaded the onlookers stood from a distance and would not intervene.
That guy Floyded on an overdose.
And Perry did nothing wrong. He should get a medal for civic courage and protecting the other passengers on the train.
If the state won’t institutionalize self-medicating mental patients and instead allows them roam among the rest of us trying to live productive lives this is what should be expected to happen.
The blame lies with the state for not protecting this fragile, broken person in need. The state loves to harp on the line: “to promote the general welfare” as a catch all justification for all sorts of questionable thefts and abuses yet here we have the streets full of people who could really use some of that general welfare promotion and the best the state can muster is a laundering/redistribution scheme that enriches the political apparatus and their donors while leaving these vulnerable people to their own devices.
Geez I was accosted on my own street by an idiot in a wheelchair. Walking to the dollar store(van at mechanic). He got belligerent after I said “no money”. Told him I was armed(I was). Penny was clueless about the reality of NYC(or Chiraq). Especially after Floyd et all. I wish him well. My gat is reserved for family,friends & whomever I deem worthy. Just had a guy charged with murder in Chiraq for a similar occurrence I had. Guy seems quite sketchy though🙄
waterhead…You should speak in front of the IL legislature in defense of the Second Amendment…Your opening statement should include dribble like chiraq, chicongo and other skid mark labels that denote an underhanded form of bigotry. Let me me know how it goes.
I’ve been under the impression all this time that Water Walker and his wife are themselves minorities. I could be wrong, but that’s my distinct impression from reading his posts.
While it is true that minorities can be (and often are) bigoted, I have not detected any such thread running through his post that you responded to, nor to his posts going back at least 3-4 years when I started reading TTAG.
We have to stop accusing our friends of things that are not true. Doing that does not help our cause.
Wasn’t it Ronald Reagan who cautioned us to not turn our 80% friend into our 20% enemy? Ronaldus Magnus. This world is so much worse without his wisdom. And yeah, I get it; he had his failings too regarding gun control. But still; we need to do better.
He is white. His wife is black. debbie is, at best, clueless.
That’s right; I remember now. Thank you.
I had a retort earlier for dim deb but didn’t bother with a troll. Been around TTAG about 11 years. She’s far from the worst. jwm knows what I’m talking about.
There is no rational reason for a thinking person today, to venture into the darkest uncivilized bowels of a “blue” urban cesspool. Even before OBiden/dems imported 20m illegal squatters. NYC/Chiraq/Detroit/etc. Africa of the 1800s was more civilized. Guided hunting Safaris to the demtard hives are not socially approved of.
I think this will likely be a blue state/Red state thing. And the damage is already done. Very few POTG are going to be willing to stick their necks out in blue states. If something bad is happening in a blue state, we are very likely going to be the “cowards behind the camera” because we can’t trust our law enforcement and prosecutors to stand up for us, only to stand up for the criminal class.
Red States, at least for now, we will have greater faith that we wont be the victims of a justice system that stands up for bad guys.
Be like the Guild Navigator in DUNE.
“I was not here. you did not see me.”
Shoot, Shovel (throw the carcass on the railroad tracks) and Shut Up.
“Penny, a Marine veteran”…
Gotta remind everyone that government costume types are higher forms of life.
The lesser charge is now in the hands of the ny jury where odds are the majority most likely voted for harris/walz. This kangaroo court should have never proceeded against Penny just like the kangaroo court that concocted the felon label for POTUS DJT…That’s 45 & now 47 alvin bragg you sick greasy bigoted democRat pos.
Whether armed or not, would-be heroes would be prudent to only use the force necessary to neutralize the threat. Reports are that the defendant continued to apply the chokehold after the victim went limp, so no longer presented a threat. Apparently that detail isn’t worth including in TTAG’s overly-politicized analysis.
SV, if I have you in a choke, you’re going to be unconscious in seconds, not minutes. Most people commenting on this have never rolled on the mat (Brazilian jiu-jitsu) before.
That’s fake news. I heard the Neely was conscious and very much alive when the choke was released. That’s the version I heard, and that’s the version I believe.
Jury goes based on the evidence presented in court, not just what someone heard and believed
Advice remains, regardless of whether it accurately maps onto the facts of this particular case.
Neely was unconscious (thus unresponsive) when police arrived, but being unconscious (or unresponsive) doesn’t mean he was dead.
The choke hold was released before police arrived. A passenger, Eric Gonzalez, got hold of Neely’s arms/hands and told Penny “I’m going to grab his hands so you can let go,” but also Gonzalez can be heard in the video (shown in court) saying that Penny wasn’t “squeezing” Neely’s neck so the choke hold had probably already been released by easing up on it by the time Gonzalez got hold of Neelys hands. Neely was only unconscious when police arrived, not dead, he was taken to the hospital and pronounced dead there.
The investigation report says during the “physical struggle” Neely lost consciousness but doesn’t define when during the struggle and that he was unconscious when police arrived which was after the choke hold was released.
So its possible that Neely was still actually alive when police arrived and died on the way to or at the hospital.
The city medical examiner who performed Neely’s autopsy testified the cause of his death was “compression of neck (chokehold).” That determination made after performing an autopsy and watching the cell phone video. But she didn’t wait for the toxicology report, she testified.
The defense presented its own medical expert who said Neely died of a combination of factors, including a sickling crisis linked to his sickle cell trait, a schizophrenic episode, the struggle and restraint by Penny and K2 intoxication.
(note: “K2 Intoxication” – K2 is a synthetic cannabinoid. It is a man-made-version of tetrahydrocannabinol (THC). However, K2 drugs can be dangerous and lead to serious side effects such as violent behavior and psychotic episodes and suicidal thoughts and rapid heart rate and high blood pressure and seizures among others and in some cases K2 can result in death.)
Clarification for : “…got hold of Neely’s arms/hands and told Penny ‘I’m going to grab his hands so you can let go,’ ”
Neelys’ hands/arms were still moving (i.e. struggling) around some at this point. This may be what prompted Gonzalez to grab Neelys’ hands.
But also to note: When police arrived Gonzalez initially lied to them out of fear of being blamed for Neely being unconscious. He testified to this in court, and accurately related what the video showed for his acts in the video which the video corroborated.
Deadly Venezuelan Gang Invades Another State.
“Across American communities, illegal immigrant gangs have become a growing and dangerous threat that is often linked to violent drug trafficking, human smuggling, and organized crime, operating with little to no fear of law enforcement. They use loopholes at the southern border to enter the United States thanks to lax immigration policies enacted by the outgoing Biden-Harris Administration.
Most recently, a top Tennessee law enforcement official confirmed that the dangerous Venezuelan gang, Tren de Aragua, is now popping up in the state despite having strict border policies. Tennessee Bureau of Investigation Director David Rausch warned that the gang is operating a human trafficking scheme in the state. …”
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Does Trump Have His ATF Nominee Lined Up?
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Earlier Fox news reported the judge dismissed the charges. Didn’t say if it was with prejudice.
Its just the manslaughter charge dismissed, the other criminally negligent homicide charge is still in play.
What’s next in the Daniel Penny case?
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News coming out now…”Not Guilty”.
We’re all going to end up like Rick in Casablanca. “I stick my neck out for no one.” Too bad for any Leftie who ever needs letters of transit.
British Band Robbed at Gun Point in Most Gun-Controlled State in US.
“The British band Sports Team was robbed at gunpoint Tuesday in Vallejo, California, just minutes after they had begun their U.S. tour.
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Sports Team used an Instagram post to provide details, ‘Ran out to try to stop it and find masked guys ransacking the van. Start yelling and they pull out a gun. Police response was ‘submit an online report.’ … ”
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People just need to stop having bands and sports teams in California. Oh, and bands named “Sports Team”, too.
Why does anybody try to play music or sports in Cali anymore? Eventually, somebody’s gonna lose an eye!
The only time it’s safe to play hero is if it’s a cop needing help.
Even then, you might still need to flip a coin before you decide to help.
If a cop is on the ground struggling with someone the first thing a passer by should do is check out his car to see if there is any neat shit in there to steal.
Like I don’t know what I’m going to do with this radar gun and ticket book, but what the hell, I did get some weapons of war and a nice flashlight.
In every single EDC, people used to complain the most about the lack of a flashlight. Nevermind that your Apple Watch and iPhone both already contain a decent flashlight.
That said, you probably should control your pilfering urges. They found that grandmother standing on that corner, and they sure as hell locked her up. And she didn’t even swipe a flashlight! I wonder, has she STILL not had her trial? Or did she “confess” like some of the others; under duress and without an attorney to advise her?
I can’t help but point out the similarity of the Penny case with another case that was the same thing as what Penny did:
In June 2023, Jordan Williams, a 20-year-old black man, defended his girlfriend and other subway passengers from a violent subway rider on a Queens subway – self-defense/defense-of-others. Williams ended up stabbing the attacker who died as a result of being stabbed. Williams was charged, but the charges were dropped before a trial even began.
In the Williams case, the bad guy (name was Ouedraogo) was violent and physically accosting and threatening people and had punched Williams girlfriend.
On the same day the charges were dropped for Williams – Daniel Penny, a 24 year old white man, who did the same thing Williams did in defense, was in court pleading not guilty to second-degree manslaughter and criminally negligent homicide. And although more recently the manslaughter charge was dropped after the jury deadlocked on it, the criminally negligent homicide charge is still in play and Penny is still in court.
In the Penny case the bad guy (name was Neely) was yelling out he was going to kill and he was ready to die or go to jail for life but he was going to kill, was violent and physically accosting and threatening people.
Mr.Penny should be heralded as a hero of the people of New York for risking not only his life, but now because of a rogue liberal progressive prosecutor his freedom for protecting his fellow New Yorker’s from a violent criminal on the most dangerous public transit system in the nation. Made violent by the liberal progressive democrat polices and agendas of not prosecuting criminals to the fullest extent of the law and in many cases not at all. Leaving the hard working citizens of New York to fend for themselves as they are made victims by those very policies and the policies of the city counsel and mayor’s office that have handcuffed law enforcement’s ability to protect the citizens and keep the street and subways safe for everyone.
I can’t recall the details, but it wasn’t that long ago that a young man went to jail because he left a bar’s restroom where a beating was going on and did nothing … not to the bartender, no call to the cops. The beatee died, and doing nothing got someone a prison sentence. Now, this. Of course, it’s NYC, where self-defense has long been a chargeable offense. This is just one step further.
If people didn’t know to stay away from blue cities after Rittenhouse, they will never learn.
Daniel Penny not guilty of criminally negligent homicide in subway chokehold case.
“Daniel Penny has been found not guilty of criminally negligent homicide for the death of Jordan Neely by the jury on Monday.
The jury deliberated for more than 24 hours across five days before reaching the verdict.
The courtroom broke out in a mix of cheers and jeers as soon as the verdict was read.
…”
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he’s a free man. The second-degree manslaughter charges were dropped last week, and this morning found not guilty by jury for the negligent homicide charge.
Only a day late and a dollar short.
The jury got it right, but the DA and Judge were morons. This case should have never been brought. We need to overthrow NY. There is nothing good there. At least we’d have some of the citizens on our side.
Anywhere from 30-40 percent of the state but NYC Buffalo Syracuse and Albany would be the trouble points.