The demographic group showing the largest increase in the purchase of firearms in 2020 was African Americans. Guns and gun rights are for everyone. Period.
Historically, “Slave Codes,” “Black Codes,” and other gun control laws prohibited gun ownership by African Americans, who were frequently lynched or otherwise terrorized for violating these laws. The modern-day executions of African Americans who legally own guns fit this pattern.
There is no evidence that victims like [Philando] Castile, [Jemel] Roberson and [Emantic] Bradford committed crimes, but such an argument would be meaningless here. Rep. Boebert violated the law by carrying a gun into the Capitol. Rittenhouse is charged with killing two people. And executing a person before they are charged, much less convicted and sentenced, is illegal.
Although 60% of Americans favor stricter gun control laws, many more Americans are buying guns now and view it as an exercise of their rights. The exercise of those constitutional rights should not be allowed to differ based on race or ethnicity.
Imagine if the First Amendment right to free speech or religion varied by race.
While the contours of the Second Amendment will continue to be debated, it should be construed equally for all Americans.
— Margareth Etienne and Suja Thomas in How Second Amendment gun rights fall short for African Americans
PLEASE stop making every issue a “race” issue! The second should apply to anyone living in this country legally and who’s proven not to be a threat to anyone including themselves. Gotta start defending the whole bill of rights for “everyone”, never mind political correctness, identity politics, reparations, party affiliations, etc.
No one should have to prove they are not a threat to exercise their rights. Others should have to prove they are a threat before depriving someone of their rights.
If a person is too dangerous to have a gun they should probably also be deprived the use of everything from steak knives and baseball bats to cars and gasoline. Given the breadth and depth of items that could be used as weapons they should probably just be locked up.
No where in the article does it designate the democRat Party as owning the legacy of slavery, segregation, Jim Crow, lynching, the KKK, Eugenics, Gun Control and other race based atrocities. That leaves history illiterate readers to assume the atrocities noted belong to Trump, Gun Owners (you) and the Republican Party.
Like it or not the democRat Party continues to play the race card because those who ask Please do not make this about race allow it to continue by not taking into account the way gullible, useful idiot democRats think. Look around. How are zipped lips working?
Far too many leave such articles not knowing who the responsible political party is and assume the atrocities noted in the article surely cannot be connected to their own democRat Party.
Not so long ago a billboard in Houston was put up saying MLK was a Republican. Needless to say the history illiterates came out of the woodwork and let it be known the sign was wrong and MLK was a democRat. How could that happen? Because of the numerous politically correct articles that do a lot of talking while keeping democRat Party dirt swept under the carpet.
Bottom line…A Black American belonging to the democRat Party makes as much sense as a Jew belonging to the nazi party.
spoken like a truly entitled person who is enjoying their privilege.
Where’s the beef? You’ll have to do much better than that peewee. Try again.
Go easy. He don’t got no capital letterz!
“Privilege” lmao
Privileged, arrogant people would never say what I say. They want to keep useful idiots like the beef jerk-ey to remain forever in the dark so they’ll always have someone to clean their toilets and vote democRat.
How’s that privilege handed out by government fiat feel? Used to be people fought their own battles, voted with their feet and wallet, and took care of their own problems.
Now we need laws, agencies and pokicy.
imagine having every major corporation and news outlet loudly supporting your cause and thinking you’re part of some ‘resistance’. The privilege is all on the left. We watched privilege burn down private property in cities across the nation with virtually ZERO consequences, while people who even QUESTION the official narrative of BLM and ANTIFA (or god forbid, COVID) are getting fired just for asking. F4ck you and your privilege, take your sh1t somewhere else.
You’re a scream.
Yo, beef. My privilege is worth more to me than your naive sense justice. Deal with it.
When you disarm any group through whatever means you deem necessary or legitimate, you make that group less equal and less free.
It is an unfortunate fact in this world that free people can own and carry firearms without permission if they wish, but those denied this are not free because they have to ask permission, or know they dare not ask because they will be blacklisted, harassed, assaulted or taken to the gulags.
Prepare for false flag mass shootings in the coming months. That will turn up the volume for our “leaders” to “do something” about the remaining free people in our country.
It’s been a while since they pulled that. Time to try again.
This.
Unfortunately true. It will be coming.
That’s how they will get 10 Republican Senators to vote for draconian gun control.
One mass shooting will be all it takes…
I don’t disagree and think it will be sooner rather than later.
Yep. I’d take a guess that it will happen just after the snow starts to melt.
Well, seeing as how cops shoot more white people in a given year…..
Pretty sure if a white guy reached for something when a jumpy cop him not to the end result would have been the same.
Pretty sure if a white guy was holding a gun on somebody when the cops arrived the result would have been the same.
Pretty sure if a white guy was firing at cops serving a warrant he would have gotten shot too.
All of these and more have happened. There is a lot going on in each case and fault to share among both parties. To dilute this to an issue of race is disingenuous and a cop-out.
I’m happy that black Americans are arming up and rediscovering their rights. So happy.
Oh, and I don’t have to imagine the 1st applying to different people differently. It does.
We have had a black president. We have a black vice president. Senators and congressmen are black. Mayors. Chiefs of police.
Systemic racism no longer exists. Except in the weak minds of a sub set of whites trying to maintain some sense of control over POC.
“Systemic racism no longer exists.”
Spoken like a white male who has never endured any sort of racism, enjoying a position of privilege in a country governed by 45 white male presidents for over 240 years.
Help me to understand, why the only black man arrested in the capital interaction is still in jail, while most white men and women arrestees have been released on bond?
Even the young white girl implicated in the laptop theft has been released on her own recognizance, if she had been black she would still be in jail.
Miner, shut the fuck up.
I was involved in shit you’d never believe growing up. I was the white boy in the group. You’d never even know it by the way I am now. I saw the same racism from that group that I see from some white trailer trash (your relatives). You seem to not understand how racism works. It’s not secluded to one race. Stop acting like you need help understanding anything, because we all know you actively refuse to be centric to anything.
We have black billionaires, black CEOs, black cops, black everything there is white, brown, and everything in between. This false flagging about keeping one group down is bullshit. Even if the majority of people in America were black, they’d still use the same argument. Even if that argument was about keeping the white man down. It’s hypocrisy, and you can take that shit back to reddit with your bitch ass. Bye Felicia.
“An FBI intelligence assessment—titled “White Supremacist Infiltration of Law Enforcement” and published in 2006 during the administration of President George W. Bush—raised alarm over white supremacist groups’ interest in “infiltrating law enforcement communities or recruiting law enforcement personnel.” The report, based on FBI investigations and open sources, warned, for example, that skinhead groups were actively encouraging their members to become “ghost skins” within law enforcement agencies, a term the report said white supremacists use to describe members who “avoid overt displays of their beliefs to blend into society and covertly advance white supremacist causes.”
In 2015, a classified FBI Counterterrorism Policy Guide, obtained by The Intercept, stated that “domestic terrorism investigations focused on militia extremists, white supremacist extremists, and sovereign citizen extremists often have identified active links to law enforcement officers.”
https://www.justsecurity.org/70507/white-supremacist-infiltration-of-us-police-forces-fact-checking-national-security-advisor-obrien/
Minor annoyance that shit plays both ways and you know it. Blacks and whites both can and are racist. If you were honest and not an asshole you could spout fbi stats and lots of other conclusions that there are racist groups in most all demographics.
Everybody is racist to some extent. It is only natural to go with what you know. Generally, that is your family, who are the same race as you are. There are people who don’t identify this way, and they usually came from a dysfunctional family setting – or it is all about race, like the black man neighbor who would only go/live with white women(he thought it helped his standing in his circle of friends – back in the 70s).
We can date(even marry) outside our race, we can have friends on a bowling team or at work, but we can’t live their experiences.
I am white, grew up in a mostly black neighborhood and had to fight more than I wanted. It is really a class war in the US, but no one can truly get over different skin color.
I like to think that I am not racist, but I am as is everyone else. Viva le difference!
Look at miner acting like some great civil rights leader. Go ahead and lecture us ignorant types on it. It shows how race obsessed you really are.
“Everybody is racist to some extent.”
Speak for yourself.
Black people don’t need protection provided by people like you Miner49er or the FBI. They need machine guns, flame throwers, grenades, and armed private aircraft, to deal with the criminals in their cities. That is the best way to deal with large organized criminal gangs. Smaller crime issues can be dealt with by shooting the criminal on sight.
miner. You can’t let go. You have to see racism under every bush and behind every rock. Your self worth as a ‘White Savior’ demands it.
As for my white privilege. It allowed me to work 2 jobs for over 20 years so that I can have a decent retirement. The same retirement that a lot of the black men and women I worked with got. Funny that. Don’t waste your life chasing drugs or alcohol. Keep your eye on the prize and you too can succeed.
As for ‘white supremacist’ in law enforcement. If they exist it is still not institutional. Racism exists. You and your antifa buddies are proof of that.
Antifa, the group that you cheerlead for, has done more damage to minority owned businesses in one summer than the proud boys have in their entire existence.
Neither group should exist. I condemn both. How about you? Still unable to renounce your membership in a fascist based group
“Antifa, the group that you cheerlead for“
I don’t cheerlead for antifa, or any group. I think that anyone who engages in violence against another person without just cause or engages in violent property destruction, needs to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law regardless of their ethnicity, nationality, political party, etc.
miner. Just your version of ‘all lives matter’. You have yet to come right out and condemn the fascist antifa.
Please look at any verifiable government crime statistics. You are the racist here.
Fascist, racist, totalitarian. You should be so proud. Cut and Paste state media stories don’t negate the ugliness of your being.
If you see the world through a prism of race YOU are the racist.
Well said Rich.
the tone deaf privilege is strong with this one.
Don’t get your hopes up for too much. The democrats got the vote and never deliver anything.
There are plenty of cases of unarmed white people being shot by police. There are also race based killings and assaults by black people on white people. It doesn’t push the narrative, so it gets sent down the memory hole. When the races are reversed, it’s a national tragedy. The only explanation for this is that the powers that be want to keep people on edge over racism and prejudice because it helps them maintain a grip on control and power. It doesn’t get much more evil than that.
” the powers that be want to keep people on edge over racism and prejudice because it helps them maintain a grip on control and power ”
This is what we all need to wake up to. There is much talk about all the political divides in this country, but there is really only one. The fight is not about left vs. right, urban vs. rural, black vs. white or any other hot-button division you choose. The fight is between the 20% at the top and the 80% at the bottom. And nothing scares the privileged PowerElite more than the day that the non-privileged masses realize they’ve been lied to and figure out who the real enemy is.
Sounds very leftish, doesn’t it? Well, that’s just the way the elite wants it. Tag it with a label, get the masses at each other’s throats, and we live another day, they think. And it works. As long as we’re down here fighting about political leanings, race, gender, whatever, they get to extract more wealth to themselves with no fear of any real consequences for their theft. And when they own everything and the whole house of cards crashes down, they go to their bunkers in New Zealand and the rest of us die. That’s the plan. And the mainstream media keeps pushing the story line, and we keep buying in to it. Pretty soon the guns come out and we have a race war or a liberal/conservative war and chew ourselves to pieces. The elite wants that. The elite wins when that happens, and the rest of us lose.
The fight here is all about class — the privileged class and the non-privileged class. Until we own that, we’re the losers.
how true about the first.
“it’s okay when we do it” isn’t far from “it’s ok when we say it.”
True that! 😉
I agree. In my opinion every law abiding American should be a gun owner, and basic gun safety and gun handling should be taught in school. Guns should not be a partisan issue.
Everyone should keep an eye on Ted Cruze’s Term limits bill, and when it fails to pass we must demand an explanation from every person who voted against it. We also need to make sure that when the Republicans have the House and Senate again that they don’t conveniently forget about it.
Presidents are mostly figureheads who keep people from paying attention to Congress, remember that the Republicans could have passed the HPA without any real opposition during Trump’s first two years. Term limits are the only path within the system to possibly fix the American political system.
I think people are frustrated with trying to change the system from within after realizing that the “system” is rigged. I believe we are closer to change from outside of the system than we have been in over 200 years of history , as what we have now is untenable.
“Republicans could have passed the HPA without any real opposition” not likely, but they could have tried.
It wouldn’t have passed the Senate. You need 60 votes for cloture. Cocaine Mitch knows this, that is why a lot legislation never makes it to the floor, as it is a waste of time. The HPA would have died on the floor like the AWB 2013 died.
Term limits can work, but only of the legislation or amendment is written correctly. My state has had term limits for decades, and all the leeches do whenever they get to their stop, is to find another seat on the bus.
Agree with everyone’s right to keep and bear arms, including felons who have served their time. The argument here is whether debt to society has been paid, not the retention of rights.
But I take issue with the authors describing police shootings as “executions” and a contrived attempt at contrasting two white people who were, as implied, given preferential treatment.
First, Representative Boebert didn’t violate the law. She broke House rules. Rittenhouse acted in self defense and turned himself in.
If BLM wants my support, guarantee they do not, they need to convince me using logic and facts. I don’t respond well to lies, emotions, and intimidation.
Agreed. What is the point of “rehabilitation” if not what you mentioned. It’s bullshit. I take the system of a down approach to the prison system: fuck it. It’s a joke. If they wanted it to work, it would be isolation and no freedoms to make those who realize they fucked up, want to get back to “normal”. Instead, it’s a recruitment camp for the “oppressed” where they are more worried about if one group wears boots on the yard and other dumb gang mentality shit.
The author conflates several incidents to arrive at systematic racism in regard to the 2A.
I would remind that all situations are different and as has been pointed out the fbi stats show armed ‘white people’ more likely to get shot than others. A big reason I have an artic white phone case, cameras in my vehicle, and other things that my family can use as evidence in case I get shot.
It’s not about race, systematic or otherwise. It’s if the police are scared or not and fear knows no race.
replied in wrong spot..sorry
Prison is supposed to rehabilitate, not punish, offenders. It is punishment to be locked away from society, but, if the convict has a release date, they want him/her to be able to live in our society. We all know to truth here, but we need to make an effort to make these people integrate into society as well as address the needs of the mentally ill that are arrested and let go because the jail/prison system doesn’t have a way to keep them.
Our system is broken, it needs more money, just as all of our infrastructure does.
Prison keeps the bad guys away from the good guys. It doesn’t rehabilitate. Normal, minor criminals will learn their lesson, and they’ll be determined to never go back, even if they were immediately bailed out and didn’t have to stay long. The ones that tend to keep going back are the ones that need a longer stay.
“Our system is broken, it needs more money…”
That’s part of the failed liberal ideology. It’s always an excuse to expand the government. Do you really believe politicians when they say they can solve a problem if they could just get more money?
I agree both ways. The system is broke. More money does NOT fix it. Anything that makes the system bigger and more controlling while taxing you more is the opposite of the answer.
THIS. This is is some of the dumbest chit ever seen on TTAG. My black wife agree’s with me.
If she married you she obviously has some good sense, so I’m not surprised she agrees! Hope you’re recovering well from the Coof.
LOL…no I married up. She was “warned” about me by a duplicitous ex. It’s been a good 33years!
A firearm is any type of gun designed to be readily carried and used by an individual. The term is legally defined further in different countries
From the author:
“What is different now is that the largest rise in gun sales in 2020 — nearly 60% — has been among African Americans”
“In practice, the Second Amendment right of African-Americans is limited.”
The bar is pretty low for opinion contributors these days.
Do you understand what “in practice” means?
So they’re saying that black people are allowed to purchase firearms, but they aren’t allowed to use them. I read the piece. It’s really short. They cite an extremely short, cherry-picked list that has been used ad nauseam recently in order to drive the narrative. If they want to actually make an intelligent case, then they need to look at nationwide statistics taken in context. They aren’t trying to take a scientific approach. They aren’t trying to start or take part in an intelligent discussion. They aren’t presenting anything new. They’re pushing the narrative. This could have been written by high school students. It was written by a law professors.
lol, when you put it like that…
I saw it as more of a lack of understanding by “the black community” as in they fail to realize they can legally exercise their rights. But I do agree about the article. It’s the same narrative as usual. TTAG has posted them before to make themselves known to said communities, and there is nothing wrong with that if in fact it does reach out and touch some of them. Raising awareness and all… But I see where you are coming from too.
There are no “contours” to the 2nd Amendment; “shall not be infringed” is as patent as could be.
“Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia…”
– The Militia Act of 1792, Passed May 8, 1792, providing federal standards for the organization of the Militia.
https://constitution.org/1-Activism/mil/mil_act_1792.htm
Things have changed…
10 U.S. Code § 246 – Militia: composition and classes
(a)The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b)The classes of the militia are—
(1)the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2)the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
National guard is not a militia. They are a government tool just like the rest of the military.
Things did not change for over 60 years, until a great Republican president, Abraham Lincoln, signed the new militia act into law in 1862.
Just because there’s a black chief of police or a black president, doesn’t magically make prejudices held for thousands of years just magically disappear.
“…1000s of years….”
Yes, I agree completely. Every race, culture, peoples on this planet has been slaves at one time or another. Since the dawn of time.
Still happening in some parts of the world.
I don’t see any ‘colored fountain only’ signs anymore. Jim Crow laws stamped out. A half-black President..Half Jamaican Vice-President.
Systematic racism is just the new buzz-word of the race hustlers and virtual signalers.
Nothing new under the sun.
Racism isn’t genetic. Prejudices are mostly based on experiences and serve as a self preservation device at best and a misunderstanding at worse.
I find myself becoming what the race hustlers accuse me of being not for any action on my part, but for the atrocious behavior and unreasonable demands on their part. Sad.
Black city government and police departments still controlled by the Klan, miner49er?
You are correct. A broken clock is right twice a day. Republicans did put guns in the hands of blacks so they could fight for their freedom. But it was and still is the Democrat party trying to disarm those same now free black people.
You are wrong. Democrats aren’t working to put guns in the hands of law abiding blacks. But they are working to keep guns in the hands of blacks who break the law. Democrats like having chaos and dysfunction in the community. They are distractions that help to keep them in power.
Nothing makes racism disappear, dumbass. Certainly not answering racism with racism, like our nation is chalked full of. The push to force acceptance only led to a complete compromise of equality. Now you have black only organizations, companies, schools, etc etc… and on the other side, if a white anything did that, it would be racism. Stop dancing around the truth. Stop blaming the white man. You can blame the government, but blaming a race or simply making it about race, makes you a racist.
I do not see how giving guns to criminals and killers is in any way productive.
We are all criminals.
“I do not see how giving guns to criminals and killers is in any way productive.“
As the article is concerned with the rise of gun ownership among African-Americans, it seems you assume all African Americans are “criminals and killers”.
Lol….foolish people such as you may assume what ever you like.
You ignorant fucks certainly assume all blacks are feeble minded children who need Whities help to get anywhere.
“The white liberal is the worst enemy to America, and the worst enemy to the black man. Let me explain what I mean by the white liberal. In America there is no such thing as Democrat or Republican anymore. In America you have liberals and conservatives. The only people living in the past who think in terms of I’m a Democrat or Republican, is the American Negro. He’s the one that runs around bragging about party affiliation. He’s the one that sticks to the Democrat or sticks to the Republican. But white people are divided into two groups, liberals and conservative. The Democrats who are conservative, vote with the Republicans who are conservative. The Democrats who are liberal vote with the Republicans that are liberal. The white liberal aren’t white people who are for independence, who are moral and ethical in their thinking. They are just a faction of white people that are jockeying for power. The same as the white conservative is a faction of white people that are jockeying for power. They are fighting each other for power and prestige, and the one that is the football in the game is the Negro, 20 million black people. A political football, a political pawn, an economic football, and economic pawn. A social football, a social pawn. The liberal elements of whites are those who have perfected the art of selling themselves to the Negro as a friend of the Negro. Getting sympathy of the Negro, getting the allegiance of the Negro, and getting the mind of the Negro. Then the Negro sides with the white liberal, and the white liberal use the Negro against the white conservative. So that anything that the Negro does is never for his own good, never for his own advancement, never for his own progress, he’s only a pawn in the hands of the white liberal. The worst enemy that the Negro have is this white man that runs around here drooling at the mouth professing to love Negros, and calling himself a liberal, and it is following these white liberals that has perpetuated problems that Negros have. If the Negro wasn’t taken, tricked, or deceived by the white liberal then Negros would get together and solve our own problems. I only cite these things to show you that in America the history of the white liberal has been nothing but a series of trickery designed to make Negros think that the white liberal was going to solve our problems. Our problems will never be solved by the white man. The only way that our problem will be solved is when the black man wakes up, clean himself up, stand on his own feet and stop begging the white man, and take immediate steps to do for ourselves the things that we have been waiting on the white man to do for us. Once we do for self then we will be able to solve our own problems’ “The white conservatives aren’t friends of the Negro either, but they at least don’t try to hide it. They are like wolves; they show their teeth in a snarl that keeps the Negro always aware of where he stands with them. But the white liberals are foxes, who also show their teeth to the Negro but pretend that they are smiling. The white liberals are more dangerous than the conservatives; they lure the Negro, and as the Negro runs from the growling wolf, he flees into the open jaws of the “smiling” fox. One is the wolf, the other is a fox. No matter what, they’ll both eat you.” – Malcolm X.
One of those sides has changed quite a bit. One hasn’t. Fuck you Miner, and fuck everyone like you.
LOL ChoseDeath…
Hold that pillow over his face a little longer just to make sure.
I love it when liberals take one line out of context and make themselves a vehicle of perjury.
Will do Montana!
I agree with the philosophy although I reject the mythology that is cited to justify the position. What is truly tragic is that given the current political climate and trend towards totalitarianism that is supported by so many African-Americans, people such as myself might soon find ourselves hunting down and exterminating African-Americans.
wow.
and we wonder why TTAG was banned from Facebook . . . .
Have any of you self righteous libtards ever been to places such as beautiful downtown Beiruit during the 1980s? Have you experienced the ambiance of Sarajevo in the 1990s? How about vacationing in lovely, beach front Mogodishu? How about going on safari in Rowanda, not to be confused with Wakanda.
These wonderful places share the common characteristic that the rule of law ceased to exist and factionalism reigned supreme. Suppressing free speech was one of the common features. Zuckerberg and Dorsey will gleefully impose regulation of free speech on one faction while enabling organization for genocide by the other. Recognize the reality that we are in now. I perceive no viable option to prevent civil war. If you folks want to volunteer to be relocated to the concentration camps and shower in the gas chambers before throwing yourselves into ovens, that is your choice. Hell No! I won’t go!
No Beef, I wonder why the fuck you’re on here. See my post above. $100 you’re a lily white little tool, based on you constantly crying about MUH RACISM. 90% of your posts are you whining about that shit. Why are you here? And the truth hurts, wear a cup princess.
“wow.”
That was some scary shit, right there.
*shudder*… 🙁
like… I can’t even rn… ohmuhgawd…
How beef sees the world reminds me of the Wayons brothers on White Chicks.
This is a very poorly written article. Jumps around topics with no context. Talks about 3 people with no further info, then jumps to Rittenhouse with zero context.
Who wrote this? Someone with skitzo? I agree with others this is one of the worst articles here, simply because it’s poorly written. I can’t even really tell what the author is trying to say and I definitely don’t know if I can agree or disagree.
Ron,
Your observations and conclusions are spot on. And they confirm what I have stated several times before on this forum:
The passages you see above are taken out of context, the article actually gives information about each of those individuals mentioned and talks specifically about Rittenhouse’s situation as well.
The reason what we read above seems to jump from topic to topic is because it is just bad editing.
And this article was written by 2 law school professors, who’ve done much more research into this subject than most individuals on this forum.
And they are still wrong.
I know you are too stupid to know this, Minor Annoyance, but the plural of “anecdote” is NOT “data”. The article cites anecdotes; adding “surrounding context” means exactly jack squat. You didn’t need to write a pathetic comment to prove your lack of intellect and absence of rational thought, Minor IQ, those were already painfully apparent to all of us here. I would say “do better”, but you are clearly morally and mentally incapable.
Perhaps just go somewhere your “wisdom” will be more welcome – like Fakebook or Twatter.
It’s how he got here. He is too ignorant to leave. Too stuck up.
“And this article was written by 2 law school professors, who’ve done much more research into this subject than most individuals on this forum.”
See:
https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Appeal-to-Authority
Someone being a law school professor gives no credibility to them.
And if 60% of Americans favored compulsory impregnation of all women, ages 16 to 26, to ensure that we have an ample supply of strapping young men for our national defense (e.g. nationalized rape — for our own good of course), should we make that the law of the land?
Investigating and/or advocating for public policy which has 51% or more of public support is fine as long that policy does not violate the inalienable rights and human dignity of the public. Unfortunately, a rather large number of people only care about the “51% or more” part and have ZERO regard for our inalienable rights and human dignity.
When leftists say “2A must apply to everyone equally,” what they really mean is “2A must apply to nobody.”
What if 60% recommended death to all LGBTQ?
Just go with what the majority says… even if illegal or immoral?
We know better than that. At least I hope so.
Laws are NOT just for the majority… neither are rights.
I did not read all the comments but I am surprised if no one took exception to the aside “60 percent of Americans favor increased gun control…”
Getting these “memes” into general use is I think, a large part of the thrust of these types of articles.
Excellent point DJ.
That statistic has been so thoroughly debunked that only clueless and shameless Leftist retards would cite it, but as others on this thread have mentioned, even if it were true, it would not justify or render Constitutional their “solution”.
It is interesting to note that virtually every anti-2A screed includes that hoary and wholly-false statistic, but I’ve never read one, yet, that addressed or tried to refute the tons of research, analyses, studies and polls that prove it false. One could almost get the idea that the anti-gun Left has no interest in truth. Fortunately, those of us who frequent this site are regularly treated to “instructive” examples of Leftist stupidity, like Minor Idiot, enuf, and FrankM., so perhaps we’re somewhat inoculated against it.
“…but I am surprised if no one took exception to the aside “60 percent of Americans favor increased gun control…””
That has been repeatedly de-bunked, here and elsewhere.
It’s a typical failure of omission – Once people have the specifics of “Gun control” spelled out in detail, the ’60 percent support’ evaporates to far under 50 percent…
Another aspect to equality in firearms laws are police officers vs. non-police officers. In NYC a police officer aren’t held to the assault weapons ban. Off-duty and even retired cops can carry concealed weapons in municipalities where non-cops can’t.
That is textbook unequal treatment. Unfortunately that doesn’t push the preferred narrative. Plus, the left isn’t even interested in equal treatment, only “equity,” to be distributed by…the government.
Well, Frank, intellectual honesty compels me to give you props for that observation, and for once, I agree with you. Cops should have no greater rights with respect to firearms than any non-(properly)prohibited citizen. But I guess even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then.
You must be a dedicated comment reader because I post infrequently and I have no idea who you are. Your little insult aside, my stance n gun rights puts me at odds with many leftists and my stance on how to be a moral human being puts me at adds with the right but I always strive for intellectual honesty.
Imagine if the First Amendment right to free speech or religion varied by religion.
What the writers aren’t telling their readers is that the lawfully armed blacks who were shot by police, where shot by mostly non white cops. And at least one was shot by a female cop. I think she was a black. It was a black female sergeant police supervisor, in NYC, that watched as Eric Gardner was arrested and died. Arrested for NYC tax violations.
As a black man who carries I was stopped by a white cop. In Tennessee. And I followed his instructions. I was not arrested. I was not given a ticket either. He was very surprised I when I told him, I had a gun. He vehemently insisted he didn’t need to see my carry permit. When I offered it to him.
“No, No, I DONT WANT TO SEE YOUR PERMIT!!!”
He was very animated in his speech. I was polite the entire time.
If you just follow the officers instructions you won’t get shot. Or I should say it will greatly reduce your chances. The authors also don’t want to talk about their own city of Chiraq. And its racist gun control policies.
“Wealthier whites get 90 percent of licenses in Illinois”
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/sep/29/chicago-concealed-carry-gun-permit-law-disarms-poo/
The first white person I saw support 2A rights for blacks was a member of the Log Cabin Republicans in 1980. They also had rocks and glass bottles thrown at them in pride parades by the socialist progressive gays. Then there was Aaron Zelman of the JPFO. Who said blacks should have guns. He talked using the research of Clayton E Creamer, “The racist roots of gun control”. And Col Jeff Cooper who said inner city people should be given guns. So “they can solve their own problems”.
It was a white Jewish ACLU lawyer, democrat, California State Senator Alan Sieroty, who cowrote the most racist gun control law in modern US history. The Mulford Act. It was a white “pink hand” man, Tom Ammiano, who got elected to the San Francisco school board. This racist white gay man voted to destroyed the 2A education and rifle teams in the SF city school system. That was his reason for getting elected to the board in the first place. Yeas latter he would write the California law making rape and stalking victims wait an extra ten days to get a gun.
I’ve been saying for years now everyone should have machine guns. But many in the “gun community” are very happy with just the government having such weapons. I think the bumpstock is an outstanding accessory for poor people.
“Ken Cuccinelli Claims Pelosi Asked For ‘Crew-Manned Machine Guns’ In Washington”
https://dailycaller.com/2021/01/19/ken-cuccinelli-nancy-pelosi-crew-manned-machine-guns/
Currently there are several thousand national guardsmen at the nation’s capitol. Republican governors have recalled their troops. But Democrat governors have not.
A “standing Army” at the Nations Capitol???
Chris,
I believe I have commented on your observations on this site a couple of time before (positively, as I recall). There is absolutely NOTHING in your comment with which I could disagree if I wanted to (and I don’t). We need more voices like you, to drown out the idiocy of Minor Annoyance and enuf.
Thanks, I am trying. I’m going anywhere.
(smile)
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I’m not going anywhere.
(smile)
I forgot to add one other hero to the list. It was Republican law makers, members of the John Birch Society, who publicly stood up for the civil rights of the Black Panther Party for Self Defense. When the racist Jewish democrat state senator, and ACLU board member, was co-writing the Mulford Act. In California.
“A “standing Army” at the Nations Capitol???”
They need the proper optics for the biggest threat facing this country…”ideologically-motivated violent extremists with objections to the exercise of governmental authority and the presidential transition…”
See what we had to do to protect the country from Trump and his crazy white supremacist supporters? Now, we’ll have to continue to take extreme measures to make you safe! It’s your patriotic duty to support this. Sound familiar?
The other day I said this farce reminded me of the color coded threats from the W. days. Today they issued a national terrorism advisory about these “Domestic Violent Extremists.” Why didn’t they issue a bulletin last year during the Summer of Burn Loot and Murder? How many lives were lost as a direct result of those violent extremists?
“Avoiding large crowds, including protests, is safest due to ongoing pandemic conditions.”
https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/ntas/alerts/21_0127_ntas-bulletin.pdf
It’s Libertarians, Liberals and the Left who are against using deadly force to stop rioters. They are against arresting rioters. The cops are called by them “Trumps secret police’. The three L’s don’t believe in the concept of private property. Useless they are billion dollar Tech companies.
Many of the private businesses that were destroyed were black owned. Burned down by white socialist progressives mobs. Some waving Rainbow flags. They should have been shot dead on sight. Instead these mostly white mobs where allowed to ravage the cities. The mostly white democrat city councils and mayors ordered the police to stand down. And the three L’s agreed with that policy.
But they are against you using deadly force to protect what you have. So now we have a “Standing Army” in the nations capitol. No word from the Libertarians yet.
Now they will call you a “racists’ so they can take away your civil rights. While they supported the KKK carrying guns. Marching thought black neighborhoods. But they don’t support the open carry of guns by law abiding blacks.
I was a Marine Officer. The skin color didn’t matter. The marksmanship did. All were trained to kill…effectively. Frankly, the Black Marines were often the most effective.
I really dislike this TTAG thing lately of name checking unknown writers in the title rather than describing who they are… “Sun-Times writers” would be 10x more useful than listing the names of two people nobody has heard of. TBH when I read the title I figured “Thomas” must be Justice Thomas. If TTAG is just trying to bait in clicks for the short term then carry on though, I guess.
The English have a different view about guns. Fortunately blacks are working to catch up in numbers. How many guns do you have???
“Meet America’s gun super-owners – with an average of 17 firearms each”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/20/gun-ownership-america-firearms-super-owners
I think you meant “…anyone ‘who is a citizen’ living in this country legally…”
Ugh! Another apologist piece defending 2A rights for all. Yes, yes, yes, a thousand times yes: the Second Amendment applies to all Americans, not just whites. Can we stop talking about race now? We’re defending a position that nobody has challenged.
Then again, it actually is challenged, repeatedly. It’s not uncommon in the heat of a firearms freedom debate for my idiotic interlocutor to believe he has played the ultimate trump card when he declares something to the effect of “Ahhhh…..but you would not extend those 2A rights to minorities, now would you! Checkmate!”
Checkmate? Check yourself. 2A applies to everyone. Where do these morons get off implicitly calling me a racist completely without evidence? Even after that and my declaring without hesitation or equivocation
that the 2A is for all, they still smirk with smug self-satisfaction that they’ve somehow just “caught” or “exposed” me. So I suppose the never-ending conversation on race must continue. The liberals won’t take anything non-racist for an answer.
Crows don’t like Owls because Owls eat young Crows.
As a rule birds are dicks.
*Grabs notepad
Rule #37: Birds are dicks.
Got it.
How in the freak would one know the color of one’s skin for a sale?
As a Black man, I’ve had more racial slurs hurled against me by White, “liberal” anti-gun cultists than by ANYONE else, including neo-Nazis. Why? Because I refused their COMMANDS to support racially invidious gun controls.
Scratch an anti-gunner, find a Klansman… or a Nazi.
You are someone that perhaps I could have an interacial conversation with. We need to start somewhere.
I think if you have paid your debt to society for a nonviolent felony, your 2A rights should be returned to you.
How do you change your avatar?
Gravatar, wordpress.
https://en.gravatar.com/
It’s a bit confusing to some, but navigate through it a couple times to confirm.
I agree with the statement “The 2A Must Apply to Everyone Equally”.
I disagree that blacks can be racists. They have never made any hate groups.
I disagree that blacks do not understand their rights and that seems to be blatantly ignorant thing to suggest like a goal to misinform and be accepted as fact without proof.
In 2007 I was convicted of domestic assault for slapping someone who came into my house throwing watermelons on the floor while I was sleeping. They did this to wake me up. I had not been sleeping because the freemasons had been using flashing lights to deprive me from sleep. It was like mk ultra and very sensory overload, like torture.
The police came to my house and arrested me and I spent two months in jail for assault. They told me I had to wait three years to apply for my gun rights back. Another man Scott who is white was told he had to complete 3 months of domestic violence counseling and then he could have his guns returned. It is not a case of not understanding the law but how law is dispensed. They are racist criminals.
I went to apply for a cpl at pierce county, there is a clerk on the second floor for cpl applications. The woman told me I had to go to another line and pay off debts or get a letter saying that I did not owe money. This is illegal. Additionally they told me that I was ” not in there system”. They pervert the course of justice.
I went to petition for my gun rights. I paid $20 for my criminal background record and paid $10 to print out the application forms at the law library. I took the paper to the clerk on the first floor where I was instructed to take it. The person there was a black man. He said I had to first make sure I had my court fees paid off. I went to another clerk and they said I was “not in there system”. I went back to the black clerk and he said “that isn’t right”, and that was the end of it. There is no reason for Black Americans to respect the government of the United States.
Later I was told that all the blacks with money or work for the government were only hired because they are homosexuals and subservient to white supremacist policies. My experience confirms this. They only hire gays and Jews. This implies that there is no equality for blacks who are honest and freedom loving. They only give limited rights to coons and sellouts. This means that having black billionaires is not a scientific proof of equality in America but a rather lazy one. All it proves is they gave him money because he agreed to help destroy his race.
So I guess I could buy a gun and not have a cpl and carry it illegally and get up to a year in jail for ” gun related charges” like so many other black men simply because I carried my gun in a fashion similar to white men who conceal carry. There are legal traps designed to disenfranchise blacks. So blacks can buy and own guns but not use them. The government is designed to put artificial obstacles to deny blacks constitution rights. The people saying otherwise are not going to convince anybody otherwise, it just shows they are bigots. I don’t care if it is ignorance on their part or deliberate lying the fact is they do not care about the truth and are not to be trusted. They are part of the problem and always will be.
The University Place Gun Range had fees of about $360 a year to shoot outdoors. The Prices dropped to an incredible $198. I was willing to take that up but someone sabotaged my car and I have been without a car since them. Makes it hard to carry a rifle open carry down the street for fear of people calling the police. Police are quick to respond because they are racist. I was returning Amazon packages to UPS and they stopped and asked if my name was on the packages. To return packages you have to remove the labels and get new ones at UPS. They know this but do not care. They lie and say someone reported “suspicious behavior” but noone did. They lie. The UPS store was about to close so they only wanted to waste my time so I would be late and have to return the next day. This is all police are all day everyday.
Another time I was walking down the street and the police stopped and said someone reported a break in. They lied. They searched and detained me for 10 minutes then let me go.
Another time I was walking to the store to buy cigarettes. A cop drove by and rolled down his window and said he wanted to talk to me. I said ” I do not want to talk to you” and I kept walking. He followed me for two blocks and then pulled me over lights flashing for “jaywalking” in a crosswalk at an intersection with traffic lights. He said “you have to talk to me now”. He called for backup. He had a bad attitude. He tried to intimidate me by threatening to give me a ticket. He asked me “do you want a ticket?” after a long pause I said “No”. It was a stupid question. He was trying to provoke a fight.
Noone ever calls the cops on me, the police just lie and say they do because they are racists. I have seen police take off their shirts and have full back swastika tattoos.
The issue is not whether blacks feel police can protect them but whether they are given the rights to protect themselves. The issue is not whether blacks trust public transportation to take them to their destination but whether they are given the right to own vehicles and the privilege of driving them. My wallet has been stolen 5 times by whites and every time getting my license restored or renewed has been a hassle at DOL. They try to limit blacks mobility and disarm them.
The complaints blacks have against whites is longer than whites will admit so they try to surmise it into something short and manageable just to make themselves look innocent to shirk responsibility. Since they are the bad guys they are not going to fix problems they caused and it would be foolish to trust them. They are in denial about how abusive they really are and in denial about how repressive this country is to blacks. They do not mention 99% of the issues faced because that is not their job. Their job is to pretend to care and downplay any truth that would expose them for what they really are.
The deep state is racist too blacks and involved in sex crimes. Qanon at least had the audacity to call political and law enforcement agencies out for this. They are scared of being exposed for being rapists. But when they are exposed everything i have been saying will be validated and everyone who called me a liar will look complicit in covering up the truth and giving them aid. They picked the wrong side of the war to be on.
My only financial interests at this point is buying up the national deficit, waiting for government to collapse, having government default on it’s debt to me, seizing land as payment and reforesting death valley.
Gun rights and whether I have a gun is small potatoes at this point. Too little to late. Anytime I am wronged I escalate the situation so that I am not fighting for what was taken away or withheld me but something that hurts my oppressor utterly and severely. I am not stupid and am not someone to be trifled with.
Have there been any courts that have construed otherwise?
A firearm is any type of gun designed to be readily carried and used by an individual. The term is legally defined further in different countries
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