Federal Ammunition’s New Fusion 10mm Auto Hunting Loads

1. That’s not in stock and unavailable.

2. Sure….why not?
   If I can find any of it.

   • And why would I want that ammo over the ‘Black Hills’ hard cast ammo that performs so admirably?

     • Yup. Or Buffalo bore, or Lehigh.
       I do like hard cast in my 10.

       • Buffalo Bore was the ‘thumper’ round I was thinking of…

     • Or a handload using Hornady XTP and a max charge of Blue Dot or Power Pistol.

       • 11.2 grains of blue dot in starline brass with a 180gr. XTP. Hard to beat for deer.

     • Hardcast bullets with large, flat meplats are supposed to produce the absolute best terminal performance — e.g. “stopping power” — of all bullet designs.

       The primary reason that people do not use them exclusively for hunting is because that large, flat meplat slows them down much, much faster than a bullet design with a much pointier point.

       The secondary reason that people may not use them is because they may not chamber/cycle properly in semi-auto firearms as well as lever-action (and conceivably even pump-action) firearms.

       In this case these Federal hollowpoint bullets do not appear to be any more rounded than typical hardcast hunting loads — thus I have no idea if these are more likely to chamber/cycle properly in semi-auto handguns.

       • “Hardcast bullets with large, flat meplats are supposed to produce the absolute best terminal performance — e.g. “stopping power” — of all bullet designs.”

         No sir. The value of wide meplats is that cut caliber sized tunnels. They are only to be used with heavy-for-caliber bullets. They provide no “stopping power” at all. Instead, they create deep wound channels even through dense material.
         Expanding rounds have no place in handgun hunting. Handgun bullets are nothing more than a long(ish) range punch press, and should be heavy, and wide.

       • “Expanding rounds have no place in handgun hunting.”

         I’ll argue they have a place in destructive species control, like when trying to take out a sounder…

       • the purpose of a meplat is to keep the bullet going straight instead of yawing, veering off course and coming to a stop prematurely. so, I always thought that the wider the meplat, the better it worked in that function. am I right about that?

         while considering whether that’s right or wrong, take a look at the meplats on big game ammo where they can get 5 or 6 feet of straight line penetration through a rhinoceros or wtf. I’d like to know what yall’s think about it.

       • Geoff, happy to agree with you there. I’m good with anything that kills pigs, even if it takes a while.

3. A 200gr bullet at 1200 fps sounds like a pretty good deer buster.

   • possum,

     At close range, yes. That bullet design will decelerate rapidly and potentially render that cartridge a poor deer hunting choice at ranges beyond 35 yards or so.

   • I load my 180 gr. 10mm loads to 1,300 fps . Many deer have fell to my glock 20 from 5- well over 100 yds. Also, 180 gr. Golden sabers at over 1,300 work wonders on varmints like ground hogs.

4. 200 grain at 1200 fps was the spec for the original Norma loads, IIRC.

   • I still think the .41 AE was better with 170 grains @ 1215 or 175@1110

     but, there weren’t any .41 bullets being made for semiauto, so… goodbye .41 hello 10mm

5. electro-chemically to the core! whoa that’s so METAL maaaaan!

   • The classic “Baffle ’em with Bullshit” advertising…

6. Not legal in CA, sadly.

   • Why’s that?

     • lead core I would imagine

       • I think you nailed it, they hate lead out there…

     • Maybe hollowpoints are illegal for hunting in Ca?

       • Geoff. We can hunt with hollowpoints here. Just nothing with lead. We can target shoot with lead. Just not hunt.

         Somebody above said this ammo is illegal in CA. I don’t know why that would be. Illegal to hunt with, yes. But not illegal to own or use for other purposes.

7. That 1200fps is in a 6 inch test barrel, btw…

   • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QZdEdkTHW8

8. Don’t see the big deal.

   All of Doubletap’s 200gr loadings are faster and measured out of shorter barrels.

   Yawn, another big company playing it safe………………….yawn.

   • what’s different about this loading is it’s a bonded soft point instead of a bonded hollow point. I suppose this is how their Fusion rifle bullets are but it’s unusual in a handgun cartridge. would probably work quite well in a .357 Magnum.

     they say “with more energy” (or at least TFB does) and as you notice, 200 grains at 1200 ft/s is no big deal. it isn’t, and DT, Underwood, Buffalo Bore are more powerful. that blurb might have been an error and maybe Federal doesn’t really claim “more energy” because while it’s obviously not, hyper-velocity stuff is generally less accurate and maybe 1200 is where they want it for better accuracy for long range handgun hunting out of a 10mm which is what that caliber is better at.

9. Stop making new shit…And start making more shit…Stop the price gouging and shortages first!!! And you can start to innovate again…

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