Gavin Newsom’s Answer To California’s Murder Sprees? Make It Even Harder For Good Guys To Carry Guns

1. Just remember, violent criminals are a core constituency of Gov. Newsom’s political party.

   • All criminals are not Leftists. But all Leftists are criminals.

     • “one permit holder for every nine people in the 43 right-to-carry states”

       As a 1st approximation, this means that some nut attacking a crowd in any of those 43 states of 36 people has a probability of <2% of _not_ being opposed by a civilian gun – or restated, a 98% chance of facing at least one armed defender.

       "In Los Angeles Country, where two of the attacks occurred, there is only one permit for every 5,660 adults"

       In LA County, a whacko attacking a crowd of 36 people with a gun has first approximation odds of better than 0.9999999999999% of there being no other gun present.

       Hmmm…

       Gavin, would you care to comment?

2. Criminal: one who has committed a crime (Merriam-Webster dictionary)

   I guess you could say that a criminal has broken the law. The solution is to pass more laws.

   Wait … what?

3. Understand it has never been about making the population more safe. It’s about making the population easier to control. It’s time for eyes to see and ears to hear. The power company can turn your electrical service off by computer. Starting to understand why you need an electric car, and electric stove.

   • I lay awake at night thinking this

4. I’ve been to California. It was beautiful and a bit of a shock to a Florida Cracker. I’d never had to live a desert before. 30 days without a shower is easier in the desert than a cypress swamp. Never saw L.A. or S.F.

   • You didn’t miss anything. Cement wastelands. I like visiting Alcatraz and seeing the Golden Gate bridge…but I was happy to leave it behind.

     • okay that is a bit much man. California is a beautiful state. The problem is not the state, the problem is the state government, specifically a 15 mile wide stretch that starts in Eureka CA, and runs down to San Diego and hugs the coastline the entire way, with an island about 25 miles across in Sacramento.

       This is where all the liberals live, they completely insulated from any of the consequences of their actions, they have more money than God, and can’t conceive of why anyone would want a gun, would vote republican, or not understand that BLM is a civil rights organisation.

       in short, they’re dumb.

       But To call in a cement wasteland is just flat false.

       Nobody is leaving the state because of what it looks like, they’re leaving the state as it is with the possible exception of New Jersey, the most mismanaged state in the union with an entirely dysfunctional government.

       • The problem with Komifornia is the residents. In demtards and illegals.

         https://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendment/2023/02/03/poll-two-thirds-of-ca-adults-say-gun-control-more-important-than-gun-rights/

       • The cement wasteland comment was a response to OP not seeing LA or SF. LA is definitely nothing to see. Cement wasteland is accurate. SF used to be beautiful, not now it’s filled with hobos, bums, addicts, and human feces.

     • {California}

       “You didn’t miss anything. Cement wastelands.”

       You weren’t where I was, San Fransisco. Pleasant climate, pleasant people offering a bed to share for a week, I really liked the place.

       Granted, downtown San Fran nowadays is hell on earth to experience, with the homeless literally shitting on the streets and sidewalks in broad daylight.

       The voters out there showed a bit of sanity last election cycle, booting a literal Marxist Scum ™ Chesa Boudin from office for a candidate that promised to prosecute some of that behavior, but we’ll see if that actually happens… 🙁

       Boudin is a serious ‘piece of work’, the hell-spawn of 2 vile Leftist Scum ™, Kathy Boudin and David Gilbert, who were Weather Underground members.

       Yeah, the freaking Weather Underground :

       https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Underground

     • Turn off the Water Hose, and LA would quickly revert to chaparral. Just like Phoenix would revert to a desert.

   • *liked
     Tried to edit, then delete it….
     Better than the memory-hole that happens from time to time.

5. Simple question, Gavin: What is the violent crime rate among those who have earned the privilege of carrying a concealed firearm?

   There never seems to be an answer (from them) as to this fundamental question; instead it is always “more guns means more gun crime.” We’ve been hearing that mantra for decades, despite the fact that there is no science to back it up. It came up before when the Legislature just didn’t approve of CCWers being exempt from the campus carry restriction, first passing a law that prohibited carry without permission from the school superintendent, and, when two school districts had the audacity to grant blanket permission, they amended the law to prohibit campus carry by anyone other than police. Although the issue was specifically raised during legislative hearings, NO EVIDENCE was presented of a single case of a CCWer committing a violent crime on a school campus.
   The new law being proposed (hardly different than the version presented last session except for the absence of an urgency clause) is clearly at least discourage people from carrying concealed if not actively seeking to stamp out concealed carry. The places restrictions, not mentioned by the press, include ALL commercial establishments except those that post a sign expressly allowing concealed carry, all city parks and playgrounds, all campuses, hospitals, and government buildings, and pretty much everywhere except private property and public property where hunting is permitted, or just walking around or driving in a car. Sound familiar? It is almost identical to the NY law, and has not been modified by trial courts issuing TROs banning enforcement of such massive restrictions. Moreover, although “good cause” is gone, they are doubling down on “good moral character,” which includes three letters of recommendation, a persona interview (which already occurs), disclosure of on-line accounts, and an investigation including interviewing one’s neighbors. I haven’t read through the whole thing yet, but they had intended to increase the minimal education and training from eight hours to 1, and include a whole day range session with a proficiency test. Costs to be born by the applicant. Of course.

   • I should proof read. 8 to 16 hours, not 1.

     • Rarely mentioned – most accountings of these modern massacres include people who, whatever their politics, tried to stop the carnage barehanded. And died trying…

       Sandy Hook, Parkland, even the recent dance club in LA…

       That last shooter was eventually disarmed by hand, but there were failed attempts prior to the success.

       Some one should put up a memorial to all those folks, and put it where Gavin had to look at it.

   • “Simple question, Gavin: What is the violent crime rate among those who have earned the privilege of carrying a concealed firearm?”

     Talk about an ‘Inconvenient Truth’, Mark.

     Another such truth is that America has many more guns in circulation today since the mid 1980s, yet the murder rate today is roughly one-half of what it was in that same time period…

6. It should surprise no one that California is doubling down on insanity, this state is lost.

7. Well, if a problem is actually solved, then politicians can’t keep generating revenue, donations and votes off it.

   • True from potholes to potsellers…

8. We’ve got our own issues here in Maryland with State Senator Jeff Waldstreicher who has introduce proposed legislation that SB1 that would make SO many areas off limits to Carrying to in effect make it a prohibited practice. Listen to his rationale starting at time-stamp 37:02 Somehow the Bruen decision needs to really grow some teeth and silence these would be infringers.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_pC22edRSM&list=PL0fwIytINOjuI4-eaVDo4SuDkOBeyLUMY&index=5

9. As the mayor of S.F. and letting convicted illegals out of prison early; so it happened as it always happens a father and two sons were gunned down. That’s the compassion of Gov. Hairdo. I doubt many remember Kate Steinle done in by a 5x deported illegal. BTW O’l Gavin traveled to D.C to measure the drapes at Pennsylvania Ave. a few months back, got big plans for the rest of us.

10. “…a plan to strengthen the state’s concealed carry gun law.”

    “We’re saving lives, but we have more work to do on this effort,” Newsom said…

    Just whose lives are you saving by removing my ability to protect myself and my wife when we’re outside our home, Governor? You just signed new laws minimizing or outright decriminalizing domestic violence, jaywalking, public drunkenness, and theft. You’re pushing for early release of prisoners into our society. Solicitation for prostitution is now legal due to the former prohibition somehow (and I can’t wrap my mind around this) being unfair to the LGBTQ+ community. Our State is sinking into chaos, crime is rising, and you want to double down on removing the ability of self defense from those who are propping up what’s left?

    And he’s exploring running for the White House and doing this to the entire country??

11. hairdo trying to ensure the safety of obiden-criminals

12. I would like to see bench warrants issued for the arrest of elected officials that knowingly, willfully, and repeatedly violate constitutionally protected rights.

    Post-Bruen it should be crystal clear that carrying guns outside the home is a protected right. Governors and legislators that blatantly disregard the courts on these matters should be removed from office and imprisoned for their crimes.

    • 100% agree with that ! These traitorous sob,s
      need to pay the penalties for the crimes they commit dail

13. It never ceases to amaze me how stupid the stinking democrats really are.

14. “The only thing that stops bad guys with evil in their hearts is a good guy (or gal) with a gun. That concept is well-known…..”

    Here’s another well known concept.

    Politicians with laws never stop bad guys with guns.
    They only control….or turn into felons-in-waiting…the good guys, which is their true agenda.

15. quote————— The per capita rate of mass public shootings in California is always greater than the rate for the rest of the country. The rate is also much higher than for Texas, which gun control groups give an “F” grade for its gun control laws. Since 2010, California’s mass public shooting rate per capita is 43% higher than for Texas and 29% higher than for the rest of the U.S. From 2020 on, California’s rate was 276% higher than Texas’ and 100% higher than the rest of the country.———–quote

    THIS WAS TAKE FROM THE BIGGEST CHARLATAN OF ALL TIME, JOHN LOTT WHOSE LAUGHABLE BOOK AND STUDIES HAVE BEEN DEBUNKED BY ALL OF THE CRIME STUDY EXPERTS.

    Allowing people to carry deadly weapons without prior safety training and also of the laws of their state on when you can and cannot shoot and thorough vetting is asinine and rooted in the usual Far Right Stupidity and paranoia.

    Civilized countries either outlaw concealed carry or have very heavy restrictions and their result was an astronomically lower homicide rate.

    Put a gun in the hand of a naked ape and he will use it for the most trivial of reasons. Road Rage alone is reason enough to severely restrict it.

    Concealed carry causes more homicides that it saves (Europe proved that) because it emboldens psycho’s and bullies and people wishing to be wannabe cops as in the George Zimmerman debacle and later the racist punk Carl Rittenhouse who provoked a fight with protesters by waving an assault rifle in their faces. Two of just thousands of killings that never would have taken place on those two occasions.

    Florida’s new law history has already shown will result in an even bigger bloodbath compared to what they currently have. Again prior history has proven this many times before.

    BY MILENKO MARTINOVICH
    States that have enacted right-to-carry (RTC) concealed handgun laws have experienced higher rates of violent crime than states that did not adopt those laws, according to a Stanford scholar.

    Handgun in waistband
    Right-to-carry laws are linked with higher violent crime rates according to research by Stanford Law School Professor John Donohue. (Image credit: Ron Bailey / Getty Images)

    Examining decades of crime data, Stanford Law Professor John Donohue’s analysis shows that violent crime in RTC states was estimated to be 13 to 15 percent higher – over a period of 10 years – than it would have been had the state not adopted the law.

    https://news.stanford.edu/2017/06/21/violent-crime-increases-right-carry-states/

    California Ranked #1 for Gun Safety, Death Rate 37% Lower than National Average
    In 2021, California was ranked as the #1 state for gun safety by Giffords Law Center, and the state saw a 37% lower gun death rate than the national average. According to the CDC, California’s gun death rate was the 44th lowest in the nation, with 8.5 gun deaths per 100,000 people – compared to 13.7 deaths per 100,000 nationally, 28.6 in Mississippi, 20.7 in Oklahoma, and 14.2 in Texas. California’s gun death rate for children is also lower than other states, and is 58% lower than the national average.

    https://www.gov.ca.gov/2022/06/02/fact-sheet-californias-gun-safety-policies-save-lives-provide-model-for-a-nation-seeking-solutions/

    • You’re getting lazy, dacian. You’re just cutting and pasting the same crap. Late for your Aryan Brotherhood meeting?

      • He does make a compelling case that he should not be armed with anything beyond a cork gun.

        • If he truly believes the crap he spews he would never own a gun. Not that he’s allowed to anyway.

        • Notice that when pressed why he has a gun based on his “studies” he never out right answers.

          A good socialist or communists would want the proletariat armed as it takes power form evil capitalists and let’s it rest in the people. Well at least until they are in charge, the no one can be armed but the state and those who enforce the will of the state.

          The disconnect that the “far right” wants to arm everyone and at the same time establish a totalitarian government cannot be logically squared. That is the logic these people use. No wonder everything they touch turns to schiff.

        • Trooper,

          IF dacian the demented dips*** were able to acquire a firearm, the most likely result would be that he’d shoot himself in the @$$ (I’d say ‘shoot his d*** off’, but “Objection, Counselor, assuming facts not in evidence”.

          Like all Leftist/fascists, he projects HIS complete ineptitude onto anyone who disagrees with him politically. Apparently, my 50+ years of owning guns, without a SINGLE “negligent discharge” is some weird anomaly, since MANY of dacian’s “gun guy” buddies have had NDs – from his description, always from handling a firearm like an uneducated f***tard.

          While I am a 2A absolutist, I have to admit that the very existence of dacian is a compelling argument for SOME limits on the 2A. dacian should never be within reach of a firearm.

        • dacian with a cork gun?

          He’d put his eye out.

    • You’re a liar, dacian.

      “Picking just a few years from 2019 to 2021 to evaluate the law seems arbitrary. Whether one picks the years from 2000 on, 2010 on, or 2020 on, the per capita rate of mass public shootings in California is always greater than the rate for the rest of the country.

      “The rate has also been consistently lower in Texas, which gun control groups give an “F” grade for its gun control laws. From 2010 on, California’s per capita rate of mass public shootings was 43% higher than the rate in Texas and 29% higher than in the rest of the United States. Since 2020, the rate in California is 276% higher than in Texas and 100% higher than in the rest of the U.S.”

      https://crimeresearch.org/2023/01/californias-mass-public-shooting-rate-is-much-higher-than-texas-or-the-rest-of-the-united-states/

      Liberal group’s (PPIC) loaded questions

      “Ironically, PPIC claims not to have a political bias, although it’s clear especially from the loaded questions in this survey that it has a strong outlook. The questions mostly seem geared to eliciting the response that the schools are underfunded. I only saw one question relating to the effectiveness of current spending and nothing relating to the misuse of taxpayer dollars or to the way unions influence school spending. Most of the questions strike me as loaded ones that result in a predictable result.’

      https://calwatchdog.com/2010/04/29/liberal-groups-ppic-loaded-questions/

      Is The Public Policy Institute Of California (PPIC) Biased?

      “There is no denying that the Public Policy Institute of California (PPIC) is one of the most influential think tanks in the state. But is it biased? Critics say yes, pointing to the fact that the PPIC is funded by some of the state’s largest corporations and special interests.” — ecusocmin.org

    • Troll. A really long winded and repetitive Troll. I’m guessing you get paid by the word.

    • Yep the PRO-NAZI/FASCIST loyal “BRITISH SUBJECT” at it again!!!

      You’re panties are in a twist cause your KING lost a war against the USA and we kept GERMANY from taking over Britain!!!!

    • dacian, the DUNDERHEAD, your “studies” and those “learned(sic) Professors” are laughable.

    • “BIGGEST CHARLATAN OF ALL TIME, JOHN LOTT WHOSE LAUGHABLE BOOK AND STUDIES”

      Anyone in doubt that lil d is an 8th grade level windbag and moron?

    • still repeating the debunked anti-gun tripe from Gifford and Co as well as the hack Donahue.
      too bad your dunning Kruger will ever let you see the truth.

    • Tarring Rittenhouse as a racist even though it was conclusively shown he protected himself from outside the state wealthy WHITE Antifa punks who where damaging the community shows you to be an insane neo-Marxist stooge. Lets talk gangs (the real homicide driver in America), you racist nimrod. Wise up.

16. Hollywood Newsom doesn’t care if it works as long as it gets his name and picture in the spotlight.

17. They don’t care if a million Americans are murdered by criminals every year. You are cattle to them. Their priority is disarming the cattle so the farmer can exploit, dominate, control, and slaughter them without fear of reprisal.

18. Gruesome Newsom.

19. newsum and self serving Rats like him have armed security and they think they can dictate what you can have to protect you and yours…Sounds tyrannical because it is.

20. gun control laws benefit only 2 groups: criminals & lawyers

21. Evil, leftist walking pile of hair gel. Watch out, this THING could actually end up being Prez.

22. Thought the forum smelled suspiciously of Cat Sh*t, then I saw Dacian’s comment and knew why it reeked.

    Crime experts Huh, Dacian? Like the Criminology PhD candidate that recently murdered 4 innocent College Students?

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