Because the fundamentals of “front sight, trigger control, follow through” are so important, the best upgrade you can make to the average pistol is a good set of sights. I recently stumbled across a used Glock 17L. The previous owner had been good enough to install a Dawson Precision magwell, but it was still wearing the unremarkable Glock “U-dot” adjustable plastic sights. Since Dawson Precision is also known for their excellent sights, I decided to complete the ensemble with new sights.
Decisions, decisions
But what kind of sights? I have several favorites:
- Target sights: Plain black Patridge sights. Often undercut or serrated — or both — to reduce reflected light. These sights are perfect for shooting on brightly lit ranges, with plain white targets. Unfortunately, they can be easy to lose against a mottled background, or in low light. Less than optimal for self-defense or hunting purposes, although they’ll do in a pinch.
- Three-dot sights: The most commonly available sights for defensive pistols, often with Tritium or fiber-optic inserts for added brightness in a variety of light conditions. Also reasonably good for target shooting. A good all-around choice. However, when going for maximum speed, the rear dots can easily draw focus away from the front dot, slowing you down slightly.
- Red ramp sights: A front sight containing a red plastic insert that is visible against a variety of backgrounds, draws the eye naturally when shooting quickly, yet still provides good accuracy if you take a second longer. Usually paired with a plain-black rear sight. This is the type of sight my constant companion S&W J-frame wears, also popular on hunting revolvers. Unfortunately, not usually available for semi-autos.
- Fiber-optic front sight/target rear: All the advantages of the classic red ramp, but using a red fiber-optic dot instead of a simple reflective plastic insert. This sight set is very popular with competition shooters, and in my opinion should be seriously considered for field and defensive use as well. Fast shooting is fast shooting, and the light-gathering ability of the fiber-optic sights makes it acceptable for low-light use as well.
The G17L is a racegun, and while I probably won’t compete with it (I prefer my CZs) it’s only natural that it should wear competition sights. A gun with good sights, a good trigger, and low recoil is also good for teaching novices. What’s easier to focus on than a glowing front sight, with no other distractions?
It wasn’t long before my selection appeared in the mailbox.
Rear sight
Black serrated adjustable rear sight with .125″ notch (017-012 $79.95). Simple and high contrast. I prefer adjustable sights to fixed sights when I’m installing them. Having a rear adjustable sight is very important if you do or intend to reload your own ammunition. Fixed sights can only be adjusted by sliding them back and forth with gentle taps with a punch or with a sight pusher. The former is imprecise, the latter expensive. Having shot some sights right off of guns (10mm and .45-70 will do that) I am a firm believer in sights that do not move in their mounts. An adjustable sight with a base that is bolted to a revolver’s frame, or essentially welded to the slide of a semi-auto with Loc-Tite and set screws seems more reliable to me than one that can be relatively easily slid in a dovetail. Some people feel that adjustable sights are too fragile, but I’ve found that any knock that could break a well-made adjustable sight is equally likely to knock a fixed sight out of alignment.
Front sight
Glock 17L serrated fiber optic (019-133 $39). This is shorter front-to-back than the other Glock sights DP offers so that it doesn’t overhang the cutout featured on Glock longslides. It is .300″ tall, and .125″ wide. I prefer taller sights, since they serve as a more visible pointer, less likely to get lost against the bulk of the slide. The .125″ is rather wide, which can make for a slower sight picture than a narrow (.100″) speed blade that allows lots of light on either side. However, since the sight radius on the G17L is so long, the front sight appears smaller, and lets more light through than it would on a shorter Glock.
Installation
Dawson Precision sights come with excellent technical support in the form of free, high-quality instructional videos on YouTube (featuring Dave Dawson). Take advantage.
It’s worth pointing out that Dawson front sights include a Glock front-sight tool, as well as a red and green fiber optic in case the installed one breaks … or you just want to change the color. As another video demonstrates, this can be done with nothing more than a razor and a lighter. The rear sight comes with a punch for driving out the old sight, an adjustment screwdriver, and Allen wrench for the dovetail set screws.
You will only need to provide:
- Red Loc-Tite (271).
- A fine file.
- A padded vise.
- A small hammer.
The results
With this type of sight, I use a “dot zero” rather than zeroing for a center hold or a 6 o’clock hold on the target. The sights are adjusted so that the bullet lands somewhere in the area covered by the red dot. In practice, it’s much like having a red-dot sights, or a laser sight. Just point and click.
RATINGS (out of five stars)
Visibility: * * * * *
The purpose of sights is to be seen, and this setup is what the world’s top shooters choose for maximum visibility and accuracy. But it also works for novices, and mid-level shooters like myself.
Quality: * * * * *
Perfect fit, knife-like edges, flawless serrations, and precise click adjustments. And Dawson Precision Perfect Impact Sights come with the promise to zero your pistol. If they don’t, contact the company for some that will.
Durability: * * * *
Steel, not plastic, and designed to be solidly affixed to the gun. The only potentially fragile part is the fiber optic, and replacements are included. Properly installed, they will last a lifetime.
Installation: * * * *
A small amount of hand fitting is necessary, however you won’t have any problems if you follow instructions. You might need to enlarge the sight channel on your holster.
Service: * * * * *
Between the included tools, fast turnaround, and free and informative videos, what more could you ask?
Value: * * * * *
Dawson sights are standard equipment on some of the world’s finest — and most expensive — defensive and competition pistols. But the sights themselves are not expensive. Apart from a good trigger job, this is the most bang for the buck you can get.
Overall: * * * * *
A great product. Maintaining a proper sight picture is one of the fundamentals of shooting, so good sights are essential. I recommend these sights for anyone wants an easy, immediate, and cost-effective upgrade to their handgun-shooting experience.
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I think your like rationalizing this whole thing, like it’s just something you did, like, on, on purpose. I think we are stuck with a very stupid and a very dismal looking rear sight.
“Stupid and dismal?” What? Do you think the point of a rear sight is to amuse you with witty banter? The point of shooting is to get hits. This type of sight has collected a lot of hits, and continues to do so every day in competitions around the country. Trophies are interesting.
Response to the caption on pic 2 of the close up of the rear sight.
Exactly! You can’t just drop a Spinal Tap reference & walk away….
Duh! Sorry man, not enough coffee. I am properly chastened.
There’s such a fine line between stupid and clever 😉
Seriously though, nice review. I like the concept of the tall post, I wil definitely be considering these.
Does anyone make a tritium front sight with a target rear sight? Seems like it’d be a nice solution, without the durability concerns people tend to have with fiber optic inserts. I haven’t had any luck finding them for my carry gun, though.
It may just be that they don’t make them for your gun. I’m fairly certain I’ve seen them for XDs, and I’d be shocked if the same were not true of glocks.
Dawson can provide tritium inserted front sights separately. This works fine, however, tritium dots aren’t all that visible in daylight. To be super eye-catching you need a TFO (tritium + fiber) front or an XS big dot with tritium. Unfortunately, TFOs are not available separately, and XS sights use an “express” style wedge rear that some people find more difficult to use with precision.
I bought rear and front sights Dawson for my M&P 22 compact and had it installed by experienced gunsmith.
The sights are useless because of the following:
1. They are so small that I hardly can see it.
2. When I shoot to the target aimed, I put the round 9-10 inches lower at 7 yards, and 20-22 inches lower at 15 yards.
3. The sights are fixed, so I cannot adjust them.
4. Dawson refused to put my review comments in their site and the cost is not refundable.
Total Cost:
front and rear sights = 79.95 dollars
Gunsmith for installing Dawson = 30. Dollars
New sights from M&P = 50 Dollars
Gunsmith for removing Dawson and installing new M&P sights = 30 Dollars
Total Cost of the experience = 190 Dollars.
I guest it had been better to buy a new gun.
Dawson is a bad experience, it has no precision at all and no guarantee that it will work.
It looks like you did not properly match the height of the front sight to the rear sight. Your front sight was too tall, or your rear sight too short. The result was that, when you properly lined up the sights, the gun was actually pointed too low and the bullets hit the target below your point of aim. If you bought the two sights as two line items, then you made the mistake. If you bought both of them as a set, then the seller made the mistake.
Order sights with matching heights, and you will not have that problem.
Your “experienced gunsmith” should have seen the problem and told you about it, instead of just installing a mis-matched set of sights.
Talked to Vice President of Dawson and they will accepted the return of the sights and refund my money, which will help me. At this point, I do not know if it was a bad installation of the sights or if the sights they sent me was adequate to my pistol. Good point for Dawson they backup their products.
Next time maybe do your research and get the same size rear and front in a package so they actually line up. I would bet $100 it was user error and you are just blaming Dawson because you don’t want to admit you are wrong and got ripped off by your gun smith. I have 3 different Dawson sights and bought the ones that are meant to be paired together and they shoot dead on. My suggestion, read better.
I bought a set of fiber optic front and rear sights. The fiber optics are the same diameter giving the appearance that the front is smaller. An even bigger issue is that the distance between the top of the fiber optic and the top of the sight is the same for the front and back. This means that when you line up the tops of the sights, then the front fiber optic appears to be higher than the rear fiber optics due to the distance (spacial relational perspective). The stock sights, which look normal, have more space above the front dot than the rear dots. Due to this design flaw, I do not recommend their fiber optic rear sights. I am also being told that the company will not issue a refund since they were installed. Obviously this issue is only evident after installation. The rep also told me that the point of impact is based on lining up the tops of the sights, as expected. However, why buy fiber optic sights if you are ignoring the misaligned fiber optics? The rep didn’t have an answer for that. I am highly disappointed in both the product and their service.
The rep is absolutely right. The Fiber optic is supposed to draw your eye in but you should be lining the sights up with “equal height and equal light” according to the tops of the black of the sights. Dots are NEVER the way to align your sights. I suggest taking a pistol course with a qualified instructor who can teach you about these things and the proper fundamentals of shooting. You should be disappointed with yourself, you can always call BEFORE making a purchase, or asking people who know about guns. Come on man
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