Yep, then I think they would all be rifles, subject to advanced worksheet point calculations and depending on things like what type of sights were used on the pistols and how much curvature or padding is in the brace, all subject to the ATF ultimately deciding whatever they want on a case by case basis.
Then the only question for gun 1, 3, and 4 is whether they are registered or illegal SBRs.
Would love to have pistol like that ..legally of course if I could. Looks like a lot of fun.
I would seriously like to possess a Mad Max style 12′ pistol grip side by side double barrel shotgun/pistol. But that’ll cost you 10 years in a federal prison.
You’ll shoot your eye out.
You shoot your eye out with a 12″ double barrel 12 gauge and your eye will likely be the least of your worries.
You shoot your eye out with a 12″ double barrel 12 Gauge and you eye will likely be the last of your worries.
When you do not have the freedom to own a wimpy firearm like that perhaps you are already in a federal prison.
‘…wimpy firearm…’
Madam, you have obviously never pulled the trigger on a 12″ 12 gauge. Goal #1 is to not have to have the shotty surgically removed from your forehead.
Several years ago, before every gun company was making those shockwave 14″ 12ga “firearms”, i made one out of a ithaca pistol grip only shotgun. I made a nice stakeout type birds head grip and cut the barrel to around 14″ and drilled and tapped for a front sight. With bird shot it was a blast but with remington express 1oz slugs it was painful. After that first afternoon of shooting it my middle finger had a nice bruise from the trigger guard slapping it. I miss that old ” firearm” lol.
“Ah… muzzle loading. That makes sense.”
Didn’t even notice that. I figured if a S&W Governor and those short Mossberg and Remington 12 gauges are legal then this must be too. I guess that’s the point of the meme…
ithaca auto and burglar 20ga. sxs.
write the check.
And that’s why I stay away from any gray areas. My pistols are stock, and my rifles can’t be confused as anything else.
I don’t need more complications in my life.
Not sure if that even helps anymore. The gov is writing gray areas into the law just for giggles it seems.
No shotguns?
No, I have read your comments before.
You wouldn’t know which end to point forward.
I too have read his comments. All of them maybe, since 2012. And if you would just stand in front of him for a bit I’m quite sure jwm will figure it out. Incentive is a powerful motivator.
😀
A Fat Little Fudd like jwm?
Nah, like Elmer he would shoot himself in the face.
Agent peegee. Still cashing those big pharma checks?
Tell us again how you’re a Vietnam War (era) veteran who saw good men die (from the comfort of your POG position).
kevin smith fan. and a big pharma dupe. Explains a lot.
jwm does like his tall tales.
Maybe he has a few about Cornpop or riding the Amtrak to work everyday.
Split personality, thanks to big pharma. I’ll bet you’re the life of the party at the group home.
Hello Perpetrators,
I don’t get what all the fuss is about. It’s all crystal clear.
Here is my easy to understand video on how to determine if your firearm (not called a weapon) is a handgun or a rifle.
There ya go, couldn’t be simpler.
Okay, the top two I get. But what has the bottom right pistol in the “rifle” category?
Because it has a shoulder thingy that isn’t designed to be a brace for handicapped people…
Looks like Flux Defense. Recover Tactical makes something similar.
How about we make things simple?
Any firearm with 14.5 inches of barrel with rifling cut into the bore that is designed to fire a self contained, single projectile cartridge is a rifle.
Shotgun is any smooth bore or rifled firearm with a barrel longer than 14.5 inches that is designed to fire shot shells.
A pistol is any firearm with a barrel less than 14.5 inches. Regardless of barrel type or ammunition used.
Any firearm manufactured before Dec.31, 1899 is considered antique, obsolete, curio, relic, or collectable.
Any firearm using loose powder, and separate projectile regardless of ignition system or method of loading is considered as a black powder antique or replica. Includes firearms using paper cartridge, cap and ball revolvers, or other primitive weapons.
Any part, or collection of parts that cannot actually chamber and fire a cartridge or shot shell without further assembly, or fitting are considered as parts and not a functional firearm.
Antiques, curios, relics, replicas, or blackpowder firearms, or parts for modern firearms should not require an FFL for shipment or sales thereof.
Nor should anyone of basic age of majority be prohibited in the purchase carry or possession of a firearm without being adjudicated as being prohibited to do so. This should include persons who may have been convicted of crimes that have served their full sentence and have fully complied with any court orders for probation, parole, or restitution or court-imposed costs or fines.
It is already simple: “shall not be infringed.” The NFA and the ATF are unconstitutional.
^^This^^
OldmaninAL – That’s way too simple for a government bureaucracy to enforce. They would not need 2/3rds of the staff in the “F” department. Devastating to the management moral. But make life much easier for the boots on the ground employee.
The solution to this confusion is simple: We need to invent the Rifstol, which would not be a rifle or a pistol or SBR covered under NFA or title 1 firearms, no background checks or forms or FFL’s and dispense them from vending machines.
Lol. And they say conservatives aren’t funny 🖕🤡.
That reminded me of the joke about a guy that made a mule laugh, then cry.
I’m sure you’ve heard it.
was he from nantucket, heading to tijuana?
“The solution to this confusion is simple“
This meme is terrible and adds to the confusion. To 95% of the American population, there’s no difference between the two weapons on the bottom left and right.
This meme actually justifies federal government action to ‘clarify’ the difference, to call the one on the left a pistol and the one on the right a rifle is a distinction without a difference.
I think the point is that “clarifying” these definitions isn’t going to make us any safer. That’s why the ATF and gun grabbers deserve our ridicule.
you missed the point Miner49er
I’m still confused on why you cant put a stock on a pistol?
Seems like making it easier to be more accurate would be a good thing.
see ruger charger and 10/22 takedown models.
and i can’t place a choate folding stock on a pistol grip ithaca without losing the legal ability to return it to stock config.
You can if you complete atf form 1, pay $200.00, complete all other requirements, and wait for your tax stamp
Say what you want about the IPSC and their raceguns, their use of a box makes a lot of sense for a black and white classification based on size (portability and concealability). If it fits in the box it’s a “standard” pistol, if it doesn’t it’s not.
But of course short barreled rifle/shotgun is an idiotic classification in a country where pistols are (federally) unregulated.
Yup, especially when the inclusion of SBR’s and SBS’s in the NFA was because the original draft of the NFA also included handguns — they therefore they included SBR/SBS to avoid people being able to evade the intended prohibition of handguns by cutting down rifles / shotguns.
After the initial version of the NFA (which planned to simply ban civilian possession of NFA weapons) got panned (DOJ opined that it would not survive a constitutional challenge, and inclusion of handguns was a nonstarter with Congressmen from the South and West), they rewrote it to drop inclusion of handguns and change the outright ban to an absurdly high tax ($200 in 1934 was the equivalent of about $4,000 today).
The inclusion of SBR’s and SBS’s in the NFA was thus more of a historical / drafting error than based on any actual logic.
I’ll make it simple – they’re all firearms.
It doesn’t matter the barrel length, stock, multiple grips, mag capacity, brace or not, bump stock or rubber band.
All legal period. You can call your “pistol” a “rifle” or the other way around. The ATF only needs to know that it is a firearm protected by the 2nd Amendment.
But of course that would be too easy to understand.
This is why Charter Arms was compelled to make the barrels for the AR7 and the Explorer II incompatible.
Simple is not something the bureaucrats want. Remember the line about making law-abiding citizens into criminals so they can be more easily controlled? Also, complication is their justification for existence, and their bread and butter. Streamlining bureaucracy isn’t even an effort in futility. It’s an oxymoron.
for another couple months, anyway.
Yep, then I think they would all be rifles, subject to advanced worksheet point calculations and depending on things like what type of sights were used on the pistols and how much curvature or padding is in the brace, all subject to the ATF ultimately deciding whatever they want on a case by case basis.
Then the only question for gun 1, 3, and 4 is whether they are registered or illegal SBRs.
Would love to have pistol like that ..legally of course if I could. Looks like a lot of fun.
I would seriously like to possess a Mad Max style 12′ pistol grip side by side double barrel shotgun/pistol. But that’ll cost you 10 years in a federal prison.
You’ll shoot your eye out.
You shoot your eye out with a 12″ double barrel 12 gauge and your eye will likely be the least of your worries.
You shoot your eye out with a 12″ double barrel 12 Gauge and you eye will likely be the last of your worries.
You should probably buy a Diablo pistol.
Hmm… are those legal?!?
Anyway, needs the sawed off style grip.
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Road_Warrior,_The
‘Hmm… are those legal?!?’
Ah… muzzle loading. That makes sense.
When you do not have the freedom to own a wimpy firearm like that perhaps you are already in a federal prison.
‘…wimpy firearm…’
Madam, you have obviously never pulled the trigger on a 12″ 12 gauge. Goal #1 is to not have to have the shotty surgically removed from your forehead.
Several years ago, before every gun company was making those shockwave 14″ 12ga “firearms”, i made one out of a ithaca pistol grip only shotgun. I made a nice stakeout type birds head grip and cut the barrel to around 14″ and drilled and tapped for a front sight. With bird shot it was a blast but with remington express 1oz slugs it was painful. After that first afternoon of shooting it my middle finger had a nice bruise from the trigger guard slapping it. I miss that old ” firearm” lol.
“Ah… muzzle loading. That makes sense.”
Didn’t even notice that. I figured if a S&W Governor and those short Mossberg and Remington 12 gauges are legal then this must be too. I guess that’s the point of the meme…
ithaca auto and burglar 20ga. sxs.
write the check.
And that’s why I stay away from any gray areas. My pistols are stock, and my rifles can’t be confused as anything else.
I don’t need more complications in my life.
Not sure if that even helps anymore. The gov is writing gray areas into the law just for giggles it seems.
No shotguns?
No, I have read your comments before.
You wouldn’t know which end to point forward.
I too have read his comments. All of them maybe, since 2012. And if you would just stand in front of him for a bit I’m quite sure jwm will figure it out. Incentive is a powerful motivator.
😀
A Fat Little Fudd like jwm?
Nah, like Elmer he would shoot himself in the face.
Agent peegee. Still cashing those big pharma checks?
Tell us again how you’re a Vietnam War (era) veteran who saw good men die (from the comfort of your POG position).
kevin smith fan. and a big pharma dupe. Explains a lot.
jwm does like his tall tales.
Maybe he has a few about Cornpop or riding the Amtrak to work everyday.
Split personality, thanks to big pharma. I’ll bet you’re the life of the party at the group home.
Hello Perpetrators,
I don’t get what all the fuss is about. It’s all crystal clear.
Here is my easy to understand video on how to determine if your firearm (not called a weapon) is a handgun or a rifle.
There ya go, couldn’t be simpler.
Okay, the top two I get. But what has the bottom right pistol in the “rifle” category?
Because it has a shoulder thingy that isn’t designed to be a brace for handicapped people…
Yes, it has a barrel shroud.
https://youtu.be/Me2BfiXSpXk
lol. and the thingy that goes up!
What brace is used on the lower left pistol?
Looks like Flux Defense. Recover Tactical makes something similar.
How about we make things simple?
Any firearm with 14.5 inches of barrel with rifling cut into the bore that is designed to fire a self contained, single projectile cartridge is a rifle.
Shotgun is any smooth bore or rifled firearm with a barrel longer than 14.5 inches that is designed to fire shot shells.
A pistol is any firearm with a barrel less than 14.5 inches. Regardless of barrel type or ammunition used.
Any firearm manufactured before Dec.31, 1899 is considered antique, obsolete, curio, relic, or collectable.
Any firearm using loose powder, and separate projectile regardless of ignition system or method of loading is considered as a black powder antique or replica. Includes firearms using paper cartridge, cap and ball revolvers, or other primitive weapons.
Any part, or collection of parts that cannot actually chamber and fire a cartridge or shot shell without further assembly, or fitting are considered as parts and not a functional firearm.
Antiques, curios, relics, replicas, or blackpowder firearms, or parts for modern firearms should not require an FFL for shipment or sales thereof.
Nor should anyone of basic age of majority be prohibited in the purchase carry or possession of a firearm without being adjudicated as being prohibited to do so. This should include persons who may have been convicted of crimes that have served their full sentence and have fully complied with any court orders for probation, parole, or restitution or court-imposed costs or fines.
It is already simple: “shall not be infringed.” The NFA and the ATF are unconstitutional.
^^This^^
OldmaninAL – That’s way too simple for a government bureaucracy to enforce. They would not need 2/3rds of the staff in the “F” department. Devastating to the management moral. But make life much easier for the boots on the ground employee.
The solution to this confusion is simple: We need to invent the Rifstol, which would not be a rifle or a pistol or SBR covered under NFA or title 1 firearms, no background checks or forms or FFL’s and dispense them from vending machines.
Lol. And they say conservatives aren’t funny 🖕🤡.
That reminded me of the joke about a guy that made a mule laugh, then cry.
I’m sure you’ve heard it.
was he from nantucket, heading to tijuana?
“The solution to this confusion is simple“
This meme is terrible and adds to the confusion. To 95% of the American population, there’s no difference between the two weapons on the bottom left and right.
This meme actually justifies federal government action to ‘clarify’ the difference, to call the one on the left a pistol and the one on the right a rifle is a distinction without a difference.
I think the point is that “clarifying” these definitions isn’t going to make us any safer. That’s why the ATF and gun grabbers deserve our ridicule.
you missed the point Miner49er
I’m still confused on why you cant put a stock on a pistol?
Seems like making it easier to be more accurate would be a good thing.
see ruger charger and 10/22 takedown models.
and i can’t place a choate folding stock on a pistol grip ithaca without losing the legal ability to return it to stock config.
You can if you complete atf form 1, pay $200.00, complete all other requirements, and wait for your tax stamp
Say what you want about the IPSC and their raceguns, their use of a box makes a lot of sense for a black and white classification based on size (portability and concealability). If it fits in the box it’s a “standard” pistol, if it doesn’t it’s not.
But of course short barreled rifle/shotgun is an idiotic classification in a country where pistols are (federally) unregulated.
Yup, especially when the inclusion of SBR’s and SBS’s in the NFA was because the original draft of the NFA also included handguns — they therefore they included SBR/SBS to avoid people being able to evade the intended prohibition of handguns by cutting down rifles / shotguns.
After the initial version of the NFA (which planned to simply ban civilian possession of NFA weapons) got panned (DOJ opined that it would not survive a constitutional challenge, and inclusion of handguns was a nonstarter with Congressmen from the South and West), they rewrote it to drop inclusion of handguns and change the outright ban to an absurdly high tax ($200 in 1934 was the equivalent of about $4,000 today).
The inclusion of SBR’s and SBS’s in the NFA was thus more of a historical / drafting error than based on any actual logic.
I’ll make it simple – they’re all firearms.
It doesn’t matter the barrel length, stock, multiple grips, mag capacity, brace or not, bump stock or rubber band.
All legal period. You can call your “pistol” a “rifle” or the other way around. The ATF only needs to know that it is a firearm protected by the 2nd Amendment.
But of course that would be too easy to understand.
This is why Charter Arms was compelled to make the barrels for the AR7 and the Explorer II incompatible.
Simple is not something the bureaucrats want. Remember the line about making law-abiding citizens into criminals so they can be more easily controlled? Also, complication is their justification for existence, and their bread and butter. Streamlining bureaucracy isn’t even an effort in futility. It’s an oxymoron.
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