I thought I wanted an Uzi until I shot one. Even the earlier open bolt clone from the 80’s I shot was just extremely uncomfortable and heavy. Add in the the UC-9 is both closed bolt AND built by Century… I think I’ll pass.
Why make these MAC-10/UZI clones when they don’t have anything that their namesakes have but looks? They possess nothing from the original designs. It’s not supposed to have that long barrel or a closed bolt. What’s the point in buying a gun like that? If you want a gun that looks more like the original, just buy a replicica or a deactivated version to hang in your home or something. Until the NFA changes or is removed you aren’t going to get your hands on the real McCoy anyway so save your money is my opinion.
From all that I hear the uc-9 seems well made. And yes it’s no machine gun but sbr it and its a wonderful carbine.
No offense to these two, but I would like to hear the opinion on its weight from someone who looks like they’ve done more than five pushups in their lives.
Not only that, but if you SBR it, is that the only complaint left? Then what’s the problem?
No offense taken. The UC-9 weighs as much as an FN-FAL with the majority of the weight being towards the front. The gun isn’t so much heavy as it is unnecessarily heavily for what it is/does. Admittedly neither of us are powerlifters but Kay can bang out 40 push-ups and works out daily. I can only manage about 60 before the elbow shakes kick in.
As far as the SBR comments goes, it is a bit much to ask a new buyer to not only add 200 dollars to their purchase price but also wait 6-8 months to make the gun more handy.
Yeah, true. Damn the NFA.
The selection of pistol caliber carbines is just terrible. I either have to 1) sacrifice a pistol to build one. 2) build an AR in a pistol caliber – why would I go through that headache for an underpowered AR? 3) buy something like this, which is fine if you want a heavy semi-auto version of sub-gun, but completely impractical 4) buy a hi-point (no) or a Beretta CX-4 (you want how much for that?!?) or a Taurus with proprietary 10 round mags or 5) wait till Kel-tec actually builds sub2Ks again… And then I would own a kel-tec. Great.
I think there’s a real niche for a quality, light-weight, pistol caliber carbine which loads through the pistol grip with ubiquitous magazines (glock) and doesn’t preclude the mounting of optics without expensive modification.
The only “pistol caliber carbine” that ever interested me is the M1 carbine. It’s a sweet little rifle, small, light and pairs well with the Taurus Raging 30 or Ruger Blackhawk in the same .30 carbine caliber. Just double up on your ear protection when shooting the revolvers and you’re GTG.
I’m a big fan of the M1 Carbine myself, but I’m biased in that I love World War 2 weapons.
I love my M1 carbine too. It is fairly accurate and the recoil is about like an AR. The gun weighs a little under 6 lbs. Ammo isn’t quite as plentiful for the M1 as 9mm which is a drawback.
I gave my M1 Carbine to my brother years ago, I still miss it. He appreciates it. That is enough.
Thanks for that tip Ralph. For me the goal is KISS.
Hunting and home defense. Ideally with one or two ammo types nmost easily obtained and stored.
In SoCal I cant open carry or CCW. So until that changes (legally not likely until 2015 or later if Supremes take on Peralta or something like it if the 9th Court ever issues then spnding time and money on the Glock is a waste unless you think TSHTF is near. I dont but I could be wrong and frequently have been in past.
So the shotgun or better…an easily handled light but good for hog hunting rifle makes more sense. The SU16 is handy but too inaccurate for western longer ranges…
So thanks TTAG for that SHWAT link. Now I am drooling over the Tavor…easy to get in and out of the car…goes around corners and slices the pie…rings the gong at 600 yds. “One gun to rule them all…”
Nick and Tyler call your office pls. Need real world hog hunt with nerdy Jewish newb hunter in tow…review time now that its not 130 in the shade…
I guess it’s too much to ask for a decent, 500 dollarish, carbine chambered in 45 ACP or 10mm, that has a 30 round mag, and 16″ barrel?
The Just Right Carbines take Glock mags, so as high capacity as you can find. I think they’re available around $500- $600.
The 45 version is about 800 around here 🙁 Sometimes you’ll see one for about 750 if you’re *very* lucky.
Too many jams and too many excuses. Faulty mags, run it wet. Sounds like it needs too much pampering.
As for the weight. I’ve never handled the carbine version but I’ve used a real Uzi, and yes, they were a brick. Too me it felt even heavier because the weight was concentrated into a fairly compact package.
couldn’t have said it better. The weight reminded me of how 20lbs of ammo packed tightly in a UPS package feels heavier than 50 pounds spread out over a duffel bag.
For the most part, I agree with e shortcomings of pistol caliber carbines, particularly when rifle caliber carbines are so prevalent and the ammo prices since recent events has made decent 9mm, .40, and .45 allot less “digestible” to practice with. That said, I have two pistol caliber carbines in my collection – both KRISS Vectors (one CRB and one SDP waiting for a stamp) and I can’t say how much I love shooting them. They’re not for everyone, but they fit a niche in my collection. I feel that a pistol caliber carbine is a relatively decent home defense weapon, preferably in .45, due to its maneuverability and the reduced noise with some subsonic rounds. As for the Century Arms UC-9, the only real reason to own one is nostalgia. That may be ok for some, though, but not for me at $900 for the Volvo of sub-gun clones.
As an aside, I’ve owned a .40 Kel-Tec Sub2000 and found that the weapon, while neat enough, was not something I’d bet my life on. I’ll stick with my KRISS for HD or, in the extremely unlikely SHTF scenario, my PS90 side-saddled with my Five-Seven.
IMHO a pistol caliber carbine should be an sbr or it is kind of pointless. If you have a long barrel, why not just have a rifle caliber? A pistol round is designed for a short barrel. A rifle round is designed for a longer barrel. The only cartridge I see as bridging the long/short gap is 300AAC blackout because of the range of bullet weights. The ATF class 3 regs need to go.
What are you talking about? NFA regs keep us safe. When you see a rifle with a 16 inch barrel, it is like cut stuffed animal, that would never hurt a fly.
Now, cut down that barrel down to 15 inches and you awaken the spirit of Beelzebub himself. Just holding a short barreled rifle makes you want to go on a 1930’s gangster style crime spree.
#sarcasm
In the future tell your camera operator to film w/the sun at his/her back so that the EBR is properly illuminated. Another tip might be to frame the gun, instead of the shooter, viewers want to see the gun, egos be damned.
I had a long convo with Mr Uzi in of all places San Francisco, when they still hosted the SHOT Show.
It must be remembered that the basic Uzi design dates back to WW2, all sub guns weighed between 7-9 pounds, heck the bolt on my M-3 weighs 3.5 pounds. The reason for this is the blow-back, open bolt necessitated by the FAF which generates a lot of heat.
The Uzi was unique for it’s time and application but was superseded, in all ways, by the MP-5; it is not a viable choice for the PCC role today
Thank you for the filming tips, lighting is tricky without any diffusion devices.
You got a winner there, James. The gun’s OK, too.
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That’s it? Just a link?
Meh…
I thought I wanted an Uzi until I shot one. Even the earlier open bolt clone from the 80’s I shot was just extremely uncomfortable and heavy. Add in the the UC-9 is both closed bolt AND built by Century… I think I’ll pass.
Why make these MAC-10/UZI clones when they don’t have anything that their namesakes have but looks? They possess nothing from the original designs. It’s not supposed to have that long barrel or a closed bolt. What’s the point in buying a gun like that? If you want a gun that looks more like the original, just buy a replicica or a deactivated version to hang in your home or something. Until the NFA changes or is removed you aren’t going to get your hands on the real McCoy anyway so save your money is my opinion.
From all that I hear the uc-9 seems well made. And yes it’s no machine gun but sbr it and its a wonderful carbine.
No offense to these two, but I would like to hear the opinion on its weight from someone who looks like they’ve done more than five pushups in their lives.
Not only that, but if you SBR it, is that the only complaint left? Then what’s the problem?
No offense taken. The UC-9 weighs as much as an FN-FAL with the majority of the weight being towards the front. The gun isn’t so much heavy as it is unnecessarily heavily for what it is/does. Admittedly neither of us are powerlifters but Kay can bang out 40 push-ups and works out daily. I can only manage about 60 before the elbow shakes kick in.
As far as the SBR comments goes, it is a bit much to ask a new buyer to not only add 200 dollars to their purchase price but also wait 6-8 months to make the gun more handy.
Yeah, true. Damn the NFA.
The selection of pistol caliber carbines is just terrible. I either have to 1) sacrifice a pistol to build one. 2) build an AR in a pistol caliber – why would I go through that headache for an underpowered AR? 3) buy something like this, which is fine if you want a heavy semi-auto version of sub-gun, but completely impractical 4) buy a hi-point (no) or a Beretta CX-4 (you want how much for that?!?) or a Taurus with proprietary 10 round mags or 5) wait till Kel-tec actually builds sub2Ks again… And then I would own a kel-tec. Great.
I think there’s a real niche for a quality, light-weight, pistol caliber carbine which loads through the pistol grip with ubiquitous magazines (glock) and doesn’t preclude the mounting of optics without expensive modification.
The only “pistol caliber carbine” that ever interested me is the M1 carbine. It’s a sweet little rifle, small, light and pairs well with the Taurus Raging 30 or Ruger Blackhawk in the same .30 carbine caliber. Just double up on your ear protection when shooting the revolvers and you’re GTG.
I’m a big fan of the M1 Carbine myself, but I’m biased in that I love World War 2 weapons.
I love my M1 carbine too. It is fairly accurate and the recoil is about like an AR. The gun weighs a little under 6 lbs. Ammo isn’t quite as plentiful for the M1 as 9mm which is a drawback.
I gave my M1 Carbine to my brother years ago, I still miss it. He appreciates it. That is enough.
Thanks for that tip Ralph. For me the goal is KISS.
Hunting and home defense. Ideally with one or two ammo types nmost easily obtained and stored.
In SoCal I cant open carry or CCW. So until that changes (legally not likely until 2015 or later if Supremes take on Peralta or something like it if the 9th Court ever issues then spnding time and money on the Glock is a waste unless you think TSHTF is near. I dont but I could be wrong and frequently have been in past.
So the shotgun or better…an easily handled light but good for hog hunting rifle makes more sense. The SU16 is handy but too inaccurate for western longer ranges…
So thanks TTAG for that SHWAT link. Now I am drooling over the Tavor…easy to get in and out of the car…goes around corners and slices the pie…rings the gong at 600 yds. “One gun to rule them all…”
Nick and Tyler call your office pls. Need real world hog hunt with nerdy Jewish newb hunter in tow…review time now that its not 130 in the shade…
I guess it’s too much to ask for a decent, 500 dollarish, carbine chambered in 45 ACP or 10mm, that has a 30 round mag, and 16″ barrel?
The Just Right Carbines take Glock mags, so as high capacity as you can find. I think they’re available around $500- $600.
The 45 version is about 800 around here 🙁 Sometimes you’ll see one for about 750 if you’re *very* lucky.
Too many jams and too many excuses. Faulty mags, run it wet. Sounds like it needs too much pampering.
As for the weight. I’ve never handled the carbine version but I’ve used a real Uzi, and yes, they were a brick. Too me it felt even heavier because the weight was concentrated into a fairly compact package.
couldn’t have said it better. The weight reminded me of how 20lbs of ammo packed tightly in a UPS package feels heavier than 50 pounds spread out over a duffel bag.
For the most part, I agree with e shortcomings of pistol caliber carbines, particularly when rifle caliber carbines are so prevalent and the ammo prices since recent events has made decent 9mm, .40, and .45 allot less “digestible” to practice with. That said, I have two pistol caliber carbines in my collection – both KRISS Vectors (one CRB and one SDP waiting for a stamp) and I can’t say how much I love shooting them. They’re not for everyone, but they fit a niche in my collection. I feel that a pistol caliber carbine is a relatively decent home defense weapon, preferably in .45, due to its maneuverability and the reduced noise with some subsonic rounds. As for the Century Arms UC-9, the only real reason to own one is nostalgia. That may be ok for some, though, but not for me at $900 for the Volvo of sub-gun clones.
As an aside, I’ve owned a .40 Kel-Tec Sub2000 and found that the weapon, while neat enough, was not something I’d bet my life on. I’ll stick with my KRISS for HD or, in the extremely unlikely SHTF scenario, my PS90 side-saddled with my Five-Seven.
IMHO a pistol caliber carbine should be an sbr or it is kind of pointless. If you have a long barrel, why not just have a rifle caliber? A pistol round is designed for a short barrel. A rifle round is designed for a longer barrel. The only cartridge I see as bridging the long/short gap is 300AAC blackout because of the range of bullet weights. The ATF class 3 regs need to go.
What are you talking about? NFA regs keep us safe. When you see a rifle with a 16 inch barrel, it is like cut stuffed animal, that would never hurt a fly.
Now, cut down that barrel down to 15 inches and you awaken the spirit of Beelzebub himself. Just holding a short barreled rifle makes you want to go on a 1930’s gangster style crime spree.
#sarcasm
In the future tell your camera operator to film w/the sun at his/her back so that the EBR is properly illuminated. Another tip might be to frame the gun, instead of the shooter, viewers want to see the gun, egos be damned.
I had a long convo with Mr Uzi in of all places San Francisco, when they still hosted the SHOT Show.
It must be remembered that the basic Uzi design dates back to WW2, all sub guns weighed between 7-9 pounds, heck the bolt on my M-3 weighs 3.5 pounds. The reason for this is the blow-back, open bolt necessitated by the FAF which generates a lot of heat.
The Uzi was unique for it’s time and application but was superseded, in all ways, by the MP-5; it is not a viable choice for the PCC role today
Thank you for the filming tips, lighting is tricky without any diffusion devices.
You got a winner there, James. The gun’s OK, too.
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