1. 1) Thanks for an honest review warts and all. It is extremely refreshing to read a review that lists a gun’s flaws as well as it’s features.

   2) JMHO but if the review is that bad I would prefer less snark so as to avoid even the appearance of bias. Please note, I am not against snark in reviews but when one is this bad my purely personal preference is more objectivity less snark. As always I could be wrong.

   NukemJim
   PS The snark was funny

   • You may wanna scroll down and read my comments. For something that was supposed to be a “review” I found this beyond unproffessional.

     • I have owned the HP C-9 since day one. I never knew it was so bad. My wife put a man into a six foot hole after he broke into our home. Three shots fired and three hits found the right spot.
       Sorry you had so many problems.

       • Would you post a link to an article where I can read about this killing of a home invader,I love it when criminals get put down.

       • We just got done shooting several guns today and the C( highpoint was one of them. It had a flawless porformance. Very accurate, no misfeeds, jamming, fired everytime the trigger was pulled. It is not a bad handgun at all. Yes, it is on the heavy side but its not bad. A person has to get use to it. I would own one with no second thoughts. The one we shot today is my son’s!!

       • The author couldn’t make a head shot at 9 ft???? He needs to quit writing articles and start going to the gun range……..Brava to your wife!!

         I’m fixing to buy a Hi Point C9 with laserlyte scope, my Beretta 92 FS INOX is my gun of choice but I have heard nothing but good on these little cheap guns and the warranty is the best in the business………..

       • I have a c9 as well, I got it from a pawn shop for next to nothing, I had heard good and bad and it was so cheap(pawn shop you can talk them down even more) I thought I’d get it and see for myself. Yes its chunky, Yes if you run out of bullets use it to inflict blunt force trauma. But I have taken it to the range and shot the cheapest rounds I can buy and so far after a few hundred rounds it’s jammed once on me. I’ve adjusted the sites and for me, I can hit what I’m shooting at, I haven’t tried to see how tight of a group I can get or anything like that but I feel as you pointed out. If someone comes into my home and I have to defend myself and Family and I can only get to the c9 they will be just as dead as if I had shot them with a 9mm Glock, or anything else. And I know none of the HiPoint haters care if it has a warranty but if I keep it and use it every day shooting hundreds of rounds through it just for fun and it brakes, I can send it back and then do it all over again, I’m not sure but I don’t think you can do that with other higher priced guns, and all guns can fail and need repair.. If you need something to defend your home and it’s all you can afford just look into it yourself find someone who isn’t a gun snob maybe has one of their own and try it out. I paid 90 for mine. BTW I’m just directing this at other readers who may be reading. Opinions are like butt holes everyone has one and so do I.. 🙂

     • what I dislike about all these reviews is the reviewers never break the guns in before they start bashing them for reliability very unprofessional.

       • I been shooting guns,ever since I was able hold one up learned to squeeze the trigger control my breathing. I was given ammo by my dad to hunt game, rabbits, squirrels, turkeys and deer. Dad expected me to kill game not just waste ammo so I got be a petty good shot, of corse sometimes I would miss, bad gun, bad ammo ha-ha, As bad as I wanted to blame my miss on everything from a sudden need to sneeze, the sun in my eyes, or a number of other thousand and one things that happen. The point is there are some poorly made guns and ammo, also there a lot people that just don’t know how to shoot.
         With that in mind I have Remington, salvage, weatherby also a sks long guns to mention a few, they all shoot well. I have had snap no bang couple of times and I have missed my target. I also have pistols I have also had a snap and no bang.
         I have hi point is a gun that don’t get the respect it should a gun that is a great gun 9mm 995ts a 45, 9mm. I have had misfire, jam, no more than my glock or the new beretta I traded another rifle.
         We like to blame poor shooting habits on a gun or something else.
         Let’s face it shooting is a skill that takes practice and keeping your gun clean, it a lot of fun, as in everything we have to be responsible for the things we do
         I am thankful for the second amendment and also proud owner of the HI-POINT firearms and other brand. Many people that turn up their noses have not shot the Hi Point these firearms many will say well I heard somebody say, or they never cleaned their guns let’s face it poor habits and dangerous people that heart and kill.

       • Absolutely. Ya gotta break it in.
         I have one. Love it. But admittedly this is not the straight-out-of-the-box shooter you’re gonna see in a $700 gun. You HAVE to tweak the mags, spend range time with it, adjust the sights if necessary and get a couple hundred rounds thru it.
         Once done, you have a very good pistol in your hand and you’re well defended.
         Went to the range a couple of weeks ago and I was confidently putting in killshots out to 30 yards. I pray I’ll never need it, but I’ll be the one walking away if I do.

     • I am a firearms I structor and Concealed Carry Instructor and 30 years in law enforcement dealing with many different guns. I have to say Highpoint is by far the sorriest gun I have ever seen on the range. When I saw this I read things here I have told my teaching partner for years. He kept asking me why I refused to allow anyone to bring a Highpoint to my classes. I got my hands on one and told him to walk me thru the course and about half way he said “ok that’s enough I see your point”. It consistently jammed and missfired…. All these people here that are praising this gun should let the rest of us know how you got hired by Highpoint…

       • You can watch on youtube Demolition Ranch destroy ten Hipont’s But as everybody laughs . I have yet to see one other gun company put theirs to the same text! NOT ONE! That said I have two the 9mm carbine and the 45 handgun. Both are as accurate as anything anybody is shooting at the range. The 9 shoots a group you can put your thumb over at the longest point of the range From what I saw them shoot here at 9 feet! I have never seen a Hipoint perform that bad. or any gun for that matter! I would have to say it had a more to do with the shooter rather than the gun. Seems their are plenty of people that have a problem with everything. When the problem is really them.

   • I have to say that I found your review ridiculous. If you can’t hit target from that range you need to stop shooting no matter what pistol you are shooting. I have a Hi Point 9mm and have found it to be very reliable. It has never failed to fire for me even rapid fire. True, it’s not pretty. It’s bulky and heavy for a small gun but I can hit the bulls eye at short range EVERY TIME. Again, maybe you should take some shooting lessons. By the way, I own a S&W 45, Taurus 45 and a S&W 38 so I do know the difference. For the price, the Hi Point 9mm is well worth the money in my book.

     • I am A senior 70 years and I could not afford a Glock and the High Point 9MM has been a very good pistol for me. Right on Target and although a little shakey I have not failed to hit the target at 30 ft I think this was a very biased review and Made in America caint beat it.

       • I agree. This was not a “gun review”, it was a simple “brand bashing” session.

       • This review is 100% BS this guy is a JOKE

       • Best gun I’ve owned besides my 380

       • I would have to disagree with all of you. I shot my cousins c-9 high point and I did not like it. It jammed on me more than once from the round getting stuck. But other than that I didn’t mind shooting it. Although it is big and bulky it is no different from me caring a 44 magnum revolver. The sight are decent on it but I don’t like ghost sights. Besides that I think it is a nice gun for the range and not to carry.

       • I have had mine for a while it’s not for everyone . I had knuckle ripping problem because the grip is short bought the 10round mag to fix that issue as it allows to hold lower. Went and put 10 rounds through a paper target today just having fun at about 30 ft on a12″x18″ target I hit pretty good center of mass. I have had the feed issue before with a full mag the springs are still and pushes too hard I just tap the magazine before insertion and no problems. My cousin used cheap looked like aluminum ammo and it kept jamming with it but that’s the only time I’ve seen any real issue and most new guns are top heavy as well. It takes time to get used to shooting. I would definitely carry this gun as a lot of people do.

       • I would have to ask who paid him to make an ass of himself?

     • I would half to agree with you on this gun. I’m a 61 year old Navy Vietnam Vet. I was using a 1911 in my days of serving in the Navy as a Trouble Shooter and Runner. 45 cal. This C-9 I purchased recently, works flawlessly. The grouping are good at 25 yards and the recoil is not that bad for my old wrist. I found that if you turn the ears out on the mag on the right side just a little and turn the left side ear in just a little it won’t jam in the chamber. This gun is heavy for a reason, the slide is heavier then alot of the aluminum slides out their, but it works well. If you put your thumb down a little and straighten it just a bit your not going to have any issues with the slide pinching you hand. I wear a size 14 ring and have good size hands, and have no problem. It fits well in my hands, with good comfort. The ghost sight I put on and adjusted is easy to dial in, if your not in a big hurry and are patient. You might want to check with your doctor to see if you have a stigma with your eyes. Alot of people do and don’t even know it. I shot several different cartridges thru this gun and found some were better the others. Magtech 124gr. LRN were the worst and Speer LE Gold-Dot 145 grain bonded hollow point were the most accurate. So you might want to try different brands before making such claims, as it’s the guns fault. Enough said about the guy who wanted to discredit the C-9, and make everyone think he’s a pro. I was recieved my Marksman,Sharpshooter, and Expert while in the service so I feel more qualified to test this weapon. Yes it is cheaper then alot of other semi-auto’s out their. Compare Apples to Apples, and the price tags when making those kind of remarks about a manufacter’s product. It is true that some pistols out their are less attractive, but the C-9 Hi-Point is a very good pistol for the price.

       • “You might want to check with your doctor to see if you have a stigma with your eyes.”

         Here in April of ’13, I decided to see what TTAG had to say about the marvel. I was not let down. In fact, I’m still laughing. The review may have made me crazy enough that I want one. Nah.

         But “a stigma with your eyes” – THAT was worth it all. Maybe, actually, it is a STIGMATA with your eyes. And your eyes bled all over the Hi-Point, and I bet that’s why they won’t take it back.

         I mean, it’s UGLY enough to make one’s eyes bleed.

         • Mr. Burke: I old enough to know stupid when I hear it. You don’t understand what people who have double vision go through. It’s called a stigma of the eye. To correct this you will need to have your eyes checked by a eye doctor. They will then let you know if this condition exist. Then you will get to own a set of glasses with prizms it the lens to correct the double vision or lazy eye. I use my dominate eye when shooting, and close the other eye if I forget to wear my glasses. I know you really didn’t mean the comment you said in the earlier statement, and if you did so be it. That would be your problem not mine.

       • It seems the big problem with this gun is the same as I had with a high standard, you have to have the right clip, I had the same problem till I got a different clip and you can’t discount the quality of the ammo. from what I have read from others it seems to be a gun that is just right for someone on a budget.thank you

       • Dale, there are a few statements you made in your comment supporting the C9 that actually discredit the firearm.
         1) “I found that if you turn the ears out on the mag on the right side just a little and turn the left side ear in just a little it won’t jam in the chamber.”
         ***** REALLY???? This is acceptable to you? You should be able to fire the weapon right out of the box as a MINIMAL standard. That is what it’s made for after all!

         2) “If you put your thumb down a little and straighten it just a bit your not going to have any issues with the slide pinching your hand.”
         ***** Firearms are supposed to be ergonomic. there’s a comfort level that needs to be a NATURAL position for the shooter. ESPECIALLY when using in self defense. If you are being robbed, you do not have time to stop and worry about proper thumb placement and straightness in order to avoid slide bite. I shoot a 1911 and I love that when I remove draw it, I place my hand on it the same time, every time. That is what’s supposed to happen. The natural hand position is supposed to be the correct hand position.

         3) “The ghost sight I put on and adjusted is easy to dial in, if your not in a big hurry and are patient.”
         ***** First issue: The ghost sight you put on wasn’t the way the firearm came out of the box. I bought my wife a S&W BG380 that, right out of the box, is an extremely accurate and reliable firearm, as was my 1911 .45 ACP.
         ***** Second issue: If you’re not in a big hurry and are patient, you’re dead. Plain and simple. You should know that, being a prior serviceman. I am as well.

         4) “Compare apples to apples, and the price tags when making those kind of remarks about a manufacturer’s product.”
         ***** You can’t really do this because no one else makes a handgun like this nor do they make one in the price range. That being said, you have to base your review off of their competitors.

         Note: I’m not a HiPoint basher. I really like the carbines they manufacture!

         • I am having trouble with all the negative posts about the Hi Point C9.
           The only problem I have is finding time to get it out and shoot it.
           It works flawlessly and is the most accurate hand gun in my arsenal and the most dependable.
           The only other problem is when I am able to get it out is it has enough recoil it bothers my wrist. Other then that it is the perfect gun.

       • Hi-Point put out new magazines at the end of 2011. The previous issue of the ears being in to much is gone. The writer of this article only wrote it to bash Hi-Point, nothing else. He obviously does not know anything about pistols and to even say publicly he couldn’t hit the target from 9 feet away should embarrass him. At 9 feet, nobody would even have to use the sights. The C9 I purchased last year is the one I use the most at the range. I own CZs, S&Ws, couple Dan Wesson revolvers, and each caliber of Hi-Point. I bought the Hi-Points because of the price and the fact they may very well be the toughest pistols out there. I love the weight. It is soooo balanced when I fire. They are pretty plain looking but who in the hell just buys pistols that look great but shoot like crap?

         • Brother…I agree with you 100%…I too have other handguns such as colt, walther, s&w, and Remington! This moron is on a product bashing mission and it aint working! If his bs is true, then he received the only lemon in a million, manufacturered by HP! Got my wife and son the c9 for Christmas and they’re depleting my fun account! This moron makes me ill…

       • Dale, it’s “astigmatism.” Not “a stigma.” And that’s not enough to move a headshot grouping into the middle-to-lower section of the chest.

     • Same brand, but different guns. He didn’t review the 9mm. The C9 is supposed to be a concealed carry pistol and it sounds like High Point failed on this particular gun. If anyone else has $155 dollars they could try it out for themselves and let us know if they have a better experience

       • I own a Hi-Point 9mm. I have had problems with rounds hanging up while trying to chamber them. It isn’t extremely accurate. On the upside(I guess) it’s affordable for someone buying a starter pistol.

         • Went out Sunday afternoon and shot off a few rounds of 115gr. Remington UMC jacketed hollow in my C9. I can honestly say everyone of the cartridges fired perfect. I was setup at about 15 to 17 yards off the target, and hit the bullseye once,and within the circles on the rest. For the money I spent on the gun and ammo, I’m pleased with the results. Hope you will to, check your sights and align the rear sight up or down right or left to see if that improves your shot.

       • I just bought one $200.00 had some trouble with jamming but was told to load fast and not slow. Yes it has a good kick and made my thumb bleed, have gotten use to that. I live in the woods and can discharge anytime just was told that it is new needs to be broke in. any help with your knowledge about this gun. Love the size and weight of this weapon.
         Alex

       • It’s a b.s review. Do the math on the claim of a 12″ point of impact error. The rear sight would have to be an inch too high to cause the gun to shoot 12″ low at 9 feet. This very obvious b.s. makes the rest of the review highly suspect.

     • Ditto…has anybody done a rating test on this writer… Seems like a whiny little bitch to me…

       • I believe Benny’s long gone.

         BTW Doug, if you’d bought a Glock, Sig or whatever and it was faulty what would you do?
         Have them fix it for you, (which Hi-Point happily does for free), or go on a bitchy, whiny rant like you did here?
         Call them, Hi-Point will take care of you.
         I’ve loved my Hi-Point C9 for 5 years now and she shoots like a dream.

         Here’s a real review by someone with integrity. .
         http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/11/daniel-zimmerman/counterpoint-kevin-smith-reviews-the-hi-point-c-9/

       • I’ve had a c9 9mm for about 4 years now and it’s the most accurate pistol I have seeing how I shot the trophy bobcat in my county from 70 yards away, not only that it’s never jammed not once, it’s never felled to fire or faulted me at all…… great gun if I was gonna buy another pistol I would buy another c9 before I bought anything else….

     • Other reviews I’ve seen for Hi-point pistols have said that the magazine is the weakest component of the firearm.
       One guy said that after a few boxes of ammo that the magazine seemed to break in and work much better.
       If the magazine is junk, it doesn’t matter how well the weapon was made. It’s going to jam.
       I’ll be looking for after market magazines that may be more robust. We’ll see.
       Picking up mine tonight…

   • i HAVE THE 40CAL PISTOL HAD IT FOR 10 YEARS NOW NEVER HAD A JAM NEVER MISSED A BULLS EYE OVER 1000 ROUNDS SHOT IN IT AND IT STILL WORKS GREAT. YOU MUST NOT BE SETTING IT RIGHT OR MAYBE YOU JUST WANT TO GIVE THE WEAPON A BAD NAME FFOR HOW MUCH YOU PAY FOR IT I HAVE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH MY 40 AND I WILL STAND IT UP WITH ANY OTHER PISTOL THATS OUT THERE!!!!!!!

     • I had a Hi-Point 40 cal, and it was horrible. I couldn’t get the gun to go through an entire clip without it jamming at least once. One of the rounds actually spun completely around backwards in the time it took the slide to go back and come back forward. To try and resolve this I contacted Hi-Point who told me to adjust the clip, which I did multiple times, to no avail. They then recommended I buy a new clip for the gun, to which my reply was if I have no proof it will fix the problem then why waste the money.

       • I have the .45 and that thing eats ammo like a wood burning stove….Through it in and BANG!!!… I love mine….

       • We own (6) HighPoint pistols and (4) carbines….we have never had one problem with our HP’s..,.frankly We dont believe you…wanna know why…..because HP wouldn’t have told you to purchase another mag! They would have sent you another mag without charging you a cent! Looks like you like to bash because you have nothing better to do with yourself….get a life!

       • To MICHAELLYONIS,
         If you hate it so much sell it. I will buy it from you just let me know how much and we can work out the payment?
         Michael Allen
         Green Cove Springs Fl

       • I don’t believe this…I know for fact if you would of called or reached out to Hi Point they would of sent you another Mag…I had a stiff safty a d they paid both ways to look at it with no Hesitation it was not stiff it was just the way it is….I have 3 Hi Points 2 pistols one Carbine and I stand by them….Company would of worked with you I Call B.S.!!

   • More accurately conducted review overturns this one. Find here: http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/11/daniel-zimmerman/counterpoint-kevin-smith-reviews-the-hi-point-c-9/

   • I disagree entirely with this review i hsve had my c9 for bout 5 months now n have had one issue the sights r off i will give it that ive had to shave down the bottom of my rear sight bcuz it aimed way to high so i had to fix that but ive never had a jam with a ten round mag fired back to back consistently my hands r not that big but regaurdless if u dont know how to hold a gun then ya it doesnt surprise me that u got bit the safty is no prob i can flip it with the side of my thumb n the trigger my 4 year old can pull he has his own 22 n 25 n i decided the other day to let him try my nine n he had a blast so again ur review sucks learn how to shoot n type fo that matter thanks have a great day.

     • Your 4 year old son has no business having his hands on empty firearms let alone a loaded one. He is much too young to fathom the danger involved. I would hope that you would rethink puting a deadly weapon in the hands of someone so young. There is no range that would let him on property let alone handle a wearon. I will pray that your stupidity is removed and a little common sense some how sneaks into your brain.

       • All my kids including my 4 year old shoots. My 4 yr old has shot my C9 as well (no jamming, issues at all)Of course they are supervised and taught. You go ahead and raise your kids but don’t tell someone else how to raise theirs. Welcome to the land of the free. Key words…Taught, Supervised, Land of the FREE. (I feel all family members need to be involved). P.S. I have 9 kids 4rs – 30yrs old – all respect firearms as they have been taught. Have a good day

     • hi point best handgun ever made made in the usa and usa got it right this time and when its comes to guns the uglier the better I love my hi point like my child that only i could love and it works just great could not ask for a better stronger friend and partner

   • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkq7WdB-0LA

     A review by Nutnfancy, he had much better luck with his then the reviewer in the article. Just a lemon?

   • I was watching Utube and it looks like Hi Point is almost indestructible, so I went out and picked up a C9 with a box of bullets and went to the range. At 30 feet I was smacking the bulls eye, I couldn’t believe the accuracy I was getting from this inexpensive gun, no problems at all, my hi point 9mm is a keeper, now I am thinking of getting the 45 caliber for fun.

     • I too am a believer in “you get what you pay for”!
       I was curious so I purchased the 45 cal. JHP. Damn, I was impressed bause we really beat the shit out of this so called piece of shit!
       TTAG, you are wrong, very wrong! It makes us wonder why you are posting such erroneous information about this weapon…..it makes us believe that your overstated negatives were funded by outside sources because of there exaggerated flaws. We purchase the 40 and 9 mm and they too are very reliable and we all agreed that the only flaw was that they are heavy….nooooo problem!
       We bet it sucks to be caught being a bold faces liar huh!

   • Your C9 must have been damaged in transit, to shoot that low. 6.34* to be exact! I have several HPs (and lots more hi-$ guns!) and all my HPs have been flawless right out of the box. Sights did need adjusted, but no FTE or FTF. You Obviously are a Moron 😛

     • I shoot fine with mine. It’s my stash gun and I have not had a jam yet with mine. I shoot Winchester white box and it eats it just fine. 4″ groups at 20 yards is plenty accurate for self defence.. It isn’t up to the quality level of my Colt, but my copy sure isn’t described in this review… My C9 doesn’t shoot low! I feel it was a bargain, I plan to get another one!

       • I have had my c9 for a little over 4 years now. I ask myself what did I buy when I first took it to the range. Since it has broken in and I tweeked the mags I think its great. No fails to feed or miss fires. I find the weight makes it very accurate at least for me it does. I did buy a Smith&Wesson 2 years ago it is smaller and lighte had the same problems with it cept for the mag till it broke in. I’m a little more accurate with the cp then the s&w but like them both

   • My friend had acquired one of these as part of a trade. He had disassembled it and couldn’t get it back together. After calling me, I agreed to take a look at it – after all, I’d never handled or tried to repair a Hi-Point. When he brought me the completely broken down pistol in a plastic bag, my first impression before even OPENING the bag was “is this a real gun”? After actually opening it and inspecting it I was horrified at all of the fail that made up this gun. The frame appeared to be ABS plastic and is apparently made by (sonically?) welding two frame halves together. In his particular sample, the frame halves were obviously misaligned to my naked eye. Huge nasty flash/weld marks covered every inch of molded plastic. The trigger appeared to be made of the same plastic and felt like the same kind of plastic Transformers were made from in the 80s. I reluctantly re-assembled the gun, then function tested it. The trigger wobble and break were so awful that it made me wonder if I had done something wrong during re-assembly. I stripped it back down and put it back together, taking my time to make sure that I did everything right.

     Good lord this gun is a piece of junk. I can’t believe that these are allowed to be sold to US citizens without a wrongful death waiver being signed. I’ve seen and worked on some horrible guns, but this one definitely takes the cake. It feels like a cheap airgun copy (not even a good one) – you know, one of those $15 springer jobbies that you can pick up from the flea market.

     The fit and finish were absolutely atrocious and the trigger pull seemed completely random – landing anywhere between 10-15 lbs by my estimation.

     Against my better judgement, I drove to the range with him. I steadfastly refused to shoot it and warned him against doing it himself. He managed three consecutive shots of quality US made 115gr FMJ ammo before the safety inexplicably broke and started jiggling in the gun. He actually tried to fire one more round off but instead of a bang, we were greeted with silence.

     Sometimes you overpay and sometimes you get a great deal. It is my firm belief that no matter what the price on these guns are, you are overpaying. Buy a used Eastern-Bloc beater for around the same price. I guarantee that it will be a better made weapon in every way. This handgun is dangerous and poor people who are trying to justify their poor purchasing decisions are the only ones who will defend it. Please do not trust your life or the lives of others by considering this an actual firearm. I am appalled that they are even allowed to sell these. I like quirky guns and not everything has to be a custom 1911, but I wouldn’t even qualify this as a real firearm. It’s best use would be as a training aid to show people what to AVOID when buying a handgun. Disgusting.

     • Sounds to me like you and your friend have zero business owning firearms. He disassembled a firearm with no knowledge of how to strip it and you attempted to reassemble it with that same lack of knowledge. Shockingly enough it failed to function afterwards. Clearly it was poorly made and the problems have nothing to do with you’re disassembly and reassembly. Makes perfect sense.

     • Clint, t’s a little scary that you and your friend are allowed around dangerous objects. Your trolling might mean something to the totally clueless but it won’t make a difference to those that know better or have an ounce of common sense.

       • Clint is one of the few people on here that know anything about guns , it’s obvious they are junk guns, anyone that says different is either to broke to buy quality , or a fool..

         • Jason, I didn’t expect a fool to reply, but you did. I shot mine for years and it was as reliable and as accurate as my Smith & Wesson. I am a better shot with my Taurus 38 Special but I don’t count it as it is from the 70s. The drawback of the C9 is that it is ugly and heavy.

   • I have one of these on my hip right now. Was contemplating buying it from a friend (he got it through a trade and hadn’t even shot it yet.) He loaned it to me to test out and see if I wanted to buy it. So I toss a magazine of hollow points in, chamber a round (eventually… it did not want to feed…), ejected the round and it jams, failing to feed the 2nd round in the magazine. I get it chambered, eject the round, and it fails to feed the 3rd round… and the fourth… so I get online to see if this is a common issue or if it just needs to be stripped down and cleaned. This review is the answer… The magazine is complete shit, though I have seen fixes for adjusting the spring for the magazine to get it to properly orient the round. Looks like I will be returning this to my friend and purchasing something a little (read: ANY) more reliable.

     • If you’re not willing to tinker with a pistol slightly to adjust for preferred ammo and possibly adjust for an abused magazine (sounds like the feed lips are slightly bent) I recommend you get a revolver. Problems with feeding some hollow point profiles is hardly an issue unique to Hi Points though.

   • Well I just spent An hour (I was bored today) read over most of the 680 reviews. Some to the point, some just STUPID.
     I was at the range (THUNDER GUN RANGE) in Porter, Texas. About two months ago I saw a young man with one of the new Hi point c9’s just plain Ugly. I began talking with him and two of his buddy’s during a no firing 3 minute break. Come to find out all three had Hi points. On the 5 point scoring each was consistently shooting 240/249 out of 50 rounds. that was great seeing I was on average of 220/230 best. I asked David Gomez (the oldest) If I could fire his down range after the break. I was aloud to and at 10 yards 10 rounds, 5 yards 10 rounds push out to 15 yards 10 rounds back in to 3 yard 10 rounds and last back out to 10 yards 10 rounds score 249. BEST DAY AT THE RANGE EVER. had one round catch the lower left line of the body mass dead center.
     I put my S/W 9MM in it’s case went home and ordered 2 Hi points from Sportsman’s Guide. When they arrived I took both to the range. loaded the 8 round clips (NO BREAK-IN) started shooting first was shooting dead on left right. but shooting 2″high at 10 yards.second shoots 1″ low Both where just minor adjustments the weight of the Hi point is like 29oz. / 16oz heavier than my S/W 9 at 13 oz loaded but I didn’t seam to have the drift from over compensating from the recoil of the lighter S/w. Just me but I realy like the New Hi Point C9. Find a friend with one and see for yourself.. I would have never bought a 145.00 weapon over my 450.00 S/W if I hadn’t shot one first and neither should you.

   • Your review is crap. I’ve owned three Hi Points. The one I have now will tear the center of a bullseye to shreds. I was told at my usual shooting range that I was no longer allowed to hustle guys on the range anymore. I would wait until someone said something about my “POS Hi Point” and then challenge them to put their money where their mouth was. Ten shots at 15 yards, for $50. Made a lot of money. Little babies would go up front and whine.

     I worked at a state prison that has a shooting range behind the admin building so officers could practice (no, I didn’t say it was inside the prison, so don’t pounce – it was well outside the prison walls). About 40% of the CO’s would bring a HP to practice with on the range and the best shooter of the bunch shot a HP regularly.

2. Their PR peeps haven’t told me how to return the pistol.

   So, not even Hi Point wants their Hi Point pistols? That’s pretty awful.

   Very nice review. I completely agree, the similarities between this thing and a brick are astounding. The brick might be more accurate, though.

   • He gets a big “BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ” on that comment. Directions for sending in a firearm for service are in the owners manual THAT COMES WITH THE PISTOL.

     • Sorry for the confusion, Kevin. By “return the pistol” I’m referring not to returning it for service, but returning it to the marketing rep since it’s on “loan” for testing.

       Had I wanted the pistol serviced, you’re correct – I could contact Hi Point directly. One thing Hi Point definitely does right is offer an almost unconditional service warranty. It doesn’t matter if your the first or the tenth owner, if you have problems, they’ll take care of you. However, this pistol was on loan from their marketing folks (not owned by me), and not from Hi Point itself.

       I’ll make sure I’m clearer about that sort of thing in the future. Thanks for your comment.

       • But when you told the rep you were doing a torture test till destruction I can only imagine there was not a return ideal. I mean if your intention was to run it into the ground to the point of destruction, they cut it as a loss. If you really wanted to send it back you could have emailed the rep or contacted them some how instead of bashing the gun.

       • Shooting head shots and hitting belly from 9 damn feet. Are you that bad of a shot? Can you not see and adjust your aim? Do not, I say again, Do not want you with me in a serious situation where you may need to pick up an unfamiliar weapon that you cannot adapt to. Amazing, absolutely unamazing!!

       • I do technology product reviews as part of my job, and if I discover during the course of my testing that something is clearly not performing properly, I don’t just continue to bash it and complete my review. I give the vendor a chance to make it right, otherwise my review doesn’t accurately reflect the typical expected experience.

         If you want to be fair, I think you should send the pistol in for service and do your review again. I won’t be holding my breath though. Based on the way you handled the out-of-spec performance and the tone of your review, it seems as if your goal was more about being clever and less about being fair.

         • Hey Todd, this guy is a moron with an axe to grind. He lied and cheated throughout the so-called review, plain and simple. Check out an honest review here:

           http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/11/daniel-zimmerman/counterpoint-kevin-smith-reviews-the-hi-point-c-9/

       • It is almost funny to see so much B.S. in one place! You tell the rep that you want to run tests on this gun until total destruction……and then you expect to get instructions on how to return the (destroyed?) gun?
         I get it, you just miss-stated? You just wanted to destroy the gun’s reputation, right?
         ell, you failed miserably on that one too.
         I shot so many rounds through my Hi Point 9mm, and I never had a single jam as long as I used quality new ammunition like “American Eagle”. However, I got to experience a few jams while using re-loads!
         By the way, my Glock 19 jammed more often than this High Point! I paid a heck of a lot more money for the Glock!
         As far as accuracy is concerned, you might have to learn how to aim! I shoot this High Point gun just as accurate as my Glock 19. It’s not the gun, stupid! It’s you!

       • Oddly enough after Ben sent me this pistol for me to review (where I had none of his issues) Hi Point contacted me themselves about returning it and even provided a label for shipping.

   • Hey nick mike and especially ttag……you weenies must have your heads where TT he sun Dont shine! I’m very particular of the weapons I purchase ie; Colt, Walter, Baby Eagle (s&w) and Browning. While at the range after returning from Iraq, I met a guy there whom had a 9mm, 40 and 45 cal. Having never seeing a hi point weapon of any cal, I was curious and inquired as to how much these hg cost. He offered to let me examine and fire all 3. Whoa…I was impressed…no miss fires , quick smooth and accurate! For the bucks, they are a steal! I now own all 3 and use them often than my others! Tag, you need to get your head examined as well as your eyes. It is quite obvious you had bad pre-conceived notions about your unprofessional examination of the HP 9. If you can’t hit a target 9 feet in front of you with your eyes closed then……..you are either full of crap or you really did have your head where it doesnt belong. I have never had a problem sending my guns back to hi point nor have I ever heard of anyone else ever having a problem dealing with HP! You really made a fool of your self on this one as well as your 2 cheerleaders , nick and mike!

     • I still want to know where the counter review I did of this exact same gun has gone….

     • when I took my ccw class, no HI POINTS were allowed on the range. Good thing. They are misfeeding jamming pieces of shit. My experience.

3. I agree Nick. You definitely would have had a better chance hitting point of aim by throwing a brick at the 3 yd target instead of shooting at it.

   • Might have had better luck by learning how to shoot before trying something as complicated as a review of a firearm too. Just sayin….
     I can hit a notebook size piece of paper at seven yards and not even use the sights and I’m a pistol newbie. Granted I’ve shot plenty of revolvers and many rifles but this C9 is my first semi-auto pistol. No need for sights if you know how to point your finger at something.

     • I have to add my two cents here…

       I recently purchased a High-Point JCP .40 S & W and I have exactly the same problems as described in this review. Before taking it to the range, being a used firearm, I made it a point of disassembling it for a thorough cleaning… which it desperately needed. My trigger was loose and floppy as described in the article so upon dis-assembly, I drilled out the mounting “pin” hole in the trigger itself and inserted a brass sleeve that I manufactured in my own shop. The trigger operates beautifully now.

       At close range ( 20′ to 30′ I’m not too anal about measuring off my distance ) my first 4 rounds hit dead home obliterating the bullseye on my homemade target, a 1″ dia red circle. However, the gun has not shot a round “on target” since. I own two AR’s and a Glock and am quite familiar, and skilled, with putting my rounds on the target, but this High-Point will just not cooperate.

       After expelling a shot, the rail “Pauses” momentarily whenever… causing me to wait for it to “ready” itself for the next shot. This could be a deadly inconvenience in a self-defense situation and thus makes the unit useful only for plinking purposes.

       Every issue explained in this review is dead on accurate with the pistol that I now own. I am sending it back to High-Point for inspection and repair.
       I intend to keep it, but I will not rely on it like I do my Glock unless, upon it’s return, it proves to be a reliable and accurate instrument.

       • You may have violated the warranty by working on it yourself. I own Hi-Points in 9mm, .40 S&W and 45 ACP and have never had a problem with any of them. Seems like I remember Hi-Point recommending against taking the guns apart to clean them. I have also had no problems with the carbines in the same calibers.

   • Not to get to technical, but a drop of 18″ (which looks about right) over only 9 feet being caused by a defect in the gun would imply that the barrel is canted in the slide by 9-10 degrees. A defect that great would be both visible to the naked eye AND cause the slide to lock against the barrel. Is it at all possible we might at least consider user error as a more likely cause than a mechaniclly impossible defect?

     • More like someone who is a glock fanboi with an axe to grind because the $129 C9 outruns his fancy glocks at the range!

       1600 rounds and counting in my C9, only cleaning has been run a patch down the barrel. I shoot at 20 yards with 8 inch steel flip down plates as the target and rarely miss. So you need to tweak mag lips a bit, takes 2 seconds and can be eyeballed.

   • this review was done by an idiot, you should not even be aloud review a cap gun, I could hit a 3yrd target with a spit-wad, you shouldn’t even be aloud to own much yet handle a gun of any kind, sounds like anyone with in 100 yrds should be afraid when you are shooting !!!

     • !! Welcome to the world of “Free Speech!” The meaing of your comments is uderstood but you need to re-lurn how ta speel… I mean spell! This thread has almost lost its meaning…maybe it is time to cut it lose!!

       • Eddie you are the very definition of IRONY.

         I’m no spelling police and honestly, it gets on my nerves when people pretend to be. But c’mon if you’re going to be “that guy” and not contribute anything meaningful to the conversation besides your spell check abilities… at very least don’t jack up your own spelling. LOSE means to not win. LOOSE as in cut loose is spelled with TWO Ls.

         …maybe it is time to cut it loOse!!

         Thank you and have a wonderful day officer spell check.

         • What has a word spelled incorrectly got to do with anything? I don’t get the connection. If that’s all you got to comment on then you’re on the wrong site… you need to go to “Writing for Dummies” I went there and obviously it didn’t help… I’m an old man so Frankly I really don’t give a flying crap how a word is spelled… I get close and if my spell check doesn’t pop up saying it’s the wrong word, well tough titty.Also, do you ever read some of the news articles on the net? Those people are way worse then me so obviously it really doesn’t matter… and they are paid to be idiots….

4. Worst case, you could always find a “guns for X” trade-in and trade up to something useful. Like a T-Shirt.

5. Not that this is related to the trigger reset, but did you disassemble and buff up the mags at all?

   • I did not disassemble anything beyond what is recommended / instructed in the included manual. One of the things that failures have been attributed to in the past by other reviews, smiths, and the like has been people taking apart their Hi Points to clean them (a practice not recommended until 1500-2000 have been fired; prior to that, all that is required is a barrel brush and chamber swipe) and misplacing / incorrectly replacing the small plastic bits inside.

     On the feeding issue – Guns and Ammo Magazine ran a recent test “Trying to Break a Hi Point” and it seems to show the same slide operation issues. On the very first rack, they experienced the very same failure as I did. http://www.gunsandammo.com/video/handguns/reviews/torture-tests/trying-break-hi-point

     A point was made with regard to the mags, those I received were labelled as “Magazine for C9 / CF-380” – feeding issues may be related to the fact that the same magazines are used in both the C9 and the CF-380, but I cannot confirm this. No, I did not disassemble the magazines to buff them.

     • Since the pistol come swith one mag, could you share where the other SIX came from? Used, new, ordered direct from factory?

       • The pistol came from Hi Point’s marketing folks – and came to my door with 7 factory new, sealed magazines. TTAG requested the abundance of factory mags for the failure testing we had planned on doing. That testing never happened, it wasn’t needed.

     • I’ve had my C9 apart a few times and I found no ‘small plastic bits inside’. Much less misplaced any of them. There are a couple of levers and a few springs. It’s all really simple as a matter of fact. And this is the first pistol I’ve ever taken apart. Blow it out, run a brass brush up the spring channel, add a drop of lube here and there and the gun will not only function flawlessly it’ll be quiet also. They are fairly raspy right out of the box. And though it’s not as easy to take down as others are from what I hear, it’s still not difficult at all.

     • I just bough my hi point c9 the other day and when i was in the gun store i considered the cf-380. I looked closely at both of these guns and both of them in the box had different mags in them! IDK why your mags said “Magazine for C9 / CF-380″ maybe they are interchangeable but i also bought an extra mag for my c9 and all it said was “Magazine for c9” the pics in your blog look like a c9 mag as the mag i seen in the cf-380 had a weight on the bottom of it and the one for the c9 had the little curve for your pinkie finger. So i don’t know quite what to make of it. Also is it possible that since they knew you were going to destroy the gun that maybe they sent you a gun they knew had a slight defect? This could explain why the gun was so off target. And i don’t even know what to say about your issues with the safety.. What are you a 10 yo girl???? The safety on my gun is VERY easy to use and i can switch it quickly with my thumb…. I have taken my c9 out and put 100 rounds through it on the first day with zero jams and one ftf that i think was caused by the extra mag i purchased. I noticed that loading the new mag was quite a bit harder than loading the mag that came with the gun and i almost expected to have problems with it. Still after that one ftf on the first time i loaded it i had no more problems. I also found the gun was able to hit the bottom of a steal barrel that i had laid on its side 20 yards away very easily and consistently……. I was with a friend who was shooting his 9mm Ruger and we were both impressed with its performance (not saying that it out performed the ruger.. just saying it performed well for a 150 dollar gun) … I find your review to be COMPLETELY unfair… And since you never tried to destroy the gun i feel that you have a history of being dishonest since that is what you said you were going to do with this weapon.

       • Yes, the “review” was a complete joke. The 380’s, from the factory came with 2 mags. The one w/ the “weight”, is the extended, 10 rnd mag. The 380 & 9 mags, might be interchangeable, I’m not 100% positive. Haven’t checked them. After all, the 380 is a 9mm. If you continue to have trouble w/ a mag, send it back w/ a note and they will replace it.

6. As just one example, J&G Sales has used Smith&Wesson K-frame revolvers for sale at a cost of 250-300 dollars. Given that the design has proved itself to be handy, reliable, accurate, durable and reasonably powerful (with the right loads), why would a man burden himself with a bulky and balky Hi-Point 9mm?

   http://www.jgsales.com/index.php/smith-wesson/revolver/cPath/16_211_431

   • My thoughts exactly, I can’t figure out why anyone would want one after holding one, very much like a brick, a good k-frame anyday, would obviously be the best choice

7. J&G also has CZ-82s for $209.95. They’re 9×18 rather than 9×19, but it’ll work, both ballistically and mechanically. Pretty decent trigger, and can even be carried cocked & locked, with a safety that’s solid-feeling and ambidextrous. If that was what I could get, I’d carry it. It’s not even obsolete. CZ’s still making them in .380 as the CZ-83.

8. Aw, but did you play loud rap music while you were testing?

9. Maybe it failed because you weren’t holding it sideways, “gangsta” style?

   • …with Brass Monkey in one hand and The Beastie Boys assailing your ears!

   • Or maybe it failed because he just doesn’t know enough about guns to adjust sights? Seriously go read his “range report”. The whole thing. Make sure you aren’t drinking anything when you get to the end….

   • 600th comment! That’s a bunch

10. The C9′s slide borders on behemoth. Somehow, the folks at Colt had figured out how to make their blowback pistol slides not-so gianormous right around 1900 when they introduced the model 1903 and 1908 hammerless pistols. They must have been using technology from the future.

    To be fair, the Colts were made in .32 and .380, which are much less powerful calibers. In most guns made since the beginning of the 20th century, anything that was .380 and below was normally a straight blowback design, whereas anything that was 9mm or higher had to be a locked-breech recoil (or in some cases gas) operated design, for the very reasons you explain.

    The only straight-blowback 9mm’s I’m aware of (other than this hideous thing) are the carbines and Submachine guns that are heavy enough to carry the mass of a big, heavy bolt. Even the Volkspistole of the late 3rd Reich used a gas-delayed blowback rather than a straight blowback.

    • Also the C9 is +P rated (and, before any smart remarks are made, many a person has fired +P in them without getting killed, their hand blown off, or the pistol disintegrating).

      • Kevin, you’re correct. The pistol is rated and approved safe to fire +P ammunition. I neither got killed, had my hand blown off, nor experienced the pistol disintegrating in my hand. What I did experience was a firearm that didn’t “fire.” It shot Winchester White Box, Federal, some Hornady +P I had leftover, and Remington – and had equal issues with each.

        • Justin I suggest you spend some time reading gun reviews. details like this need to be IN the review, not the coments when someone gets on you (repeatedly) about not having done so. I suspect many of the people who have read the review have not read the comments and won’t ever read them. Experienced shooters will read this review and never read anything from TTAG again. At this point you can hope they are, but reallly more often than not they won’t.

        • If you had talked with the rep in any detail about the C9 they would have told you as they told me that the C9 does not like Winchester white box, Wolf, or any steel cased shell. I have put about 5000 rounds through mine with not one failure or jam. They only real problem that I have seen was with a friends magazines, we loaded them threw em them corner to loosen the tight springs and never had another problem. As accuracy I shoot mine with no problem at 50 and 100 yards and do just fine at hitting center mass.

11. The H&K VP70Z. Less bulky, definitely reliable, not really made for target shooting, the first polymer frame pistol and now impossible to find spare magazines for, so it is a good thing I have 3. 9mm, 18 shot magazines, horrible sights and was only successful in its original form, the VP70. The VP70 had a detachable stock and fired in three round bursts. Blow back design, it’s like taking apart a Walther PPK. Definitely not a concealed carry piece, except maybe in a universal fit shoulder rig. It’s in that class that the Colt 2000 and eventually the Rhino will be in-curious fun shooters.

    • Wasn’t the VP70 a delayed-blowback, though? Either roller-locked like the HK rifles or gas-retarded like the Volkspistole?

      Straight-blowback means the only thing holding the chamber closed is the mass of the bolt and the force of the spring. For reference, most .22 semi autos are straight blowback and work fine because of the low power of the .22 cartridge.

      • I think you are right-delayed or retarded blow back. Still, maybe Hi Point should have found better materials and tried to copy a lesser boat anchor like the VP70Z!

        • The materials in the C9 itself are primarily one of three things – American 4140 Steel, DuPont Polymer, or ZAMAK (the same material of AR-15 lowers). I don’t think it’s a materials issue, they definitely picked great stuff to work with.

          • Maybe it’s the prison labor…

          • Maybe it’s the prison labor…

            I started laughing. And then I stopped.

          • Another note about Hi Point before we descend too far into bashing – It’s an American company. Started by a man of “lesser” means. His intent was to create a pistol that didn’t break the bank but provided the shooter with a reliable firearm. Mine, obviously, didn’t meet that standard.

            They use 100% American parts and 100% American labor. They employ about 40 people, and from what I can tell do a dang fine job of being an American small business.

            I’ve got no beef with Hi Point as a company; it was the PR company that I had a negative experience with. Product wise, you can see in my review that I had plenty of issues with the C9 firearm that was sent my way to test.

        • Cujo-

          The VP70 was not delayed blowback or anything like that-it simply used a massive slide and fairly heavy spring to keep the slide in place until the pressure dropped to extract the round.

          Really, it’s the only thing out there that compares to the hi-point. Xbox huge slide, miserable sights, 20lbs two stage trigger…it didn’t even have a last round hold open. It’s the one HK that their fanboys don’t really like to talk about-trust me, I’m one of them.

          The P9s did use a roller-delayed system, much like the mp5. The p7 was blowback as well, but it used a very trick gas-delayed system, and is one of the best out there.

          • I still love her though. The VP70Z is a good tackle box or stow away in the bug out bag piece. I would only want to use it for close range defense. Interesting that it cocks the striker on trigger pull-repeated strikes without operating the slide. About the only common and brand name holster to fit it is Blackhawk’s SpecOps holster. As for sights, I had to get artistic and have red, blaze orange and red for the front sight.

12. i have a hi point carbine and i can second the total lack of reliability, its pretty much the worst gun i own but i’m stuck with it because of the awful price i’d be quoted if i tried to sell it.

    • Trade for a C9 with seven magazines? I need to review the carbine for a larger piece I’m working and am pretty sure I’m no longer on the “let’s send this guy one” list.

      • He has a gun he says has function problems. He’s keeping it instead of sending it to a company with a LIFETIME guarantee to fix any such problems. And your response is “send it to me so I can do a review on it”? REALLY????

        • Well that’s why he can do a “quality” review and also be sure there isn’t any way for the gun to succeed. Sorta like “planned obsolescence”.

        • Again, sorry for the confusion on this issue – I am not keeping the firearm willingly. Please see my comment to Kevin in response to Foghorn’s initial post. I do not “own” the firearm so it is not mine to have serviced. That would be like borrowing a car from a friend and taking it in to have the windows tinted and the oil changed – not exactly kosher.

          By “return” I mean to return it to the marketing company, not Hi Point. Again, you’re also correct about Hi Point’s warranty program – something rare that they’re definitely doing right in the firearms business.

          • didn’t you specificlly tell them not to expect it back? And you haven’t yet addressed the uter and total unprofessonalism of asking someone to send you a gun you KNOW needs to be serviced so you can do a review on it….

      • You wrote, “I do not ‘own’ the firearm so it is not mine to have serviced” to justify not sending it in for calibration and updating your review, but you also solicited an offer to trade the same firearm you claim you do not own.

        If it’s not yours to have serviced, how is it yours to trade? Kind of seems like you’re just full of excuses.

      • Well what do you expect you moron! Are you sure you didn’t first toss it out of an airplane? Your evaluation is so biased and inaccurate that even a non seasoned gun owner can detect you motives! Show a little class and quit hidding behind your so called credentials (if you had any at all)! I am so grateful for owning three HP’s that give me 100% and better for the past 8 years! Are you sure you tested the HP instead of some other overpriced POS?

    • I bought a 995 carbine in 9×19. I’ve never had a FTF/FTE using all sorts of ammo. The thing is dead accurate at 25 meters. Yes the ergonomics suck, it is ugly as sin, and looks like it was designed by 8 year old boy. For 150 bucks, I think it’s worth looking at . Spray the chamber with CLP, run the bolt back and forth a couple times, and have fun. By comparison I also own a HK USC in .45 ACP and they are both a blast to shoot.

13. As a side note, whenever I’ve had an issue just getting a round on paper to see how far off I am, I try a 4 point test. Aim 1 foot above target (not the center, but above the paper completely), then 1 foot left, 1 foot right, 1 foot low. One of the 4 rounds should at least nick the paper, telling you which direction to start fixing.

    However, in a defensive handgun, I’d be more than a little worried that you could not point-shoot at 3 yards and hit paper.

    • Definitely needs a bayonet then…

    • I’ve never read or seen anywhere that’s indicated that this gun is being sold for anything more than a recreational firearm. It’s only the fact that it’s a gun that has everybody thinking it should be able to function as something it’s not. It’s a gun, not a sidearm in the proper sense of the word. Would you even consider using one of those milsurp WWI pistols as a concealed carry weapon? Why not ? Because it’s a brick? Sorry …but DUH!!!

    • I have a Hi point C9 9mm and have shot it lots and can hit a six by six target at five yards. Yes it shoots a little low but if you can’t hit it at all I would say you need to do some Serious practice! I would recommend this gun to any one! yes it has it quirks but every gun does! I like it

14. Oweee. Harsh! But truth hurts sometimes. Mr. S., you performed a valuable community service for many potential Hi-Point owners.

    I was actually going to buy one of these specifically as a gun I could use outside the home and not have to worry about. Now I can worry about it even less since I won’t be owning one.

    I about spit my lunch out when I scrolled down and saw the brick/brick comparison photo. If Robert ever decides to hold a TTAG “Best Of” photo contest, that one’s a winner.

15. Hi-Point manufactures to a price point (maybe the company should change its name), so quality suffers. I have no doubt that if Ruger tried to produce a $155 pistol made with modern materials, the results would be similar. When the “system” is working as it should, we really do get what we pay for.

16. I had just returned from FrontSight training when I took my Dad (and his Hi-Point) out to demonstrate what I had learned. Darned if I didn’t line him up at the 3,5,7 and 10 meter marks and watch him shoot 78 out of 80 with that big ugly thing (not timed, with two rounds at each distance). It is accurate, but he still had a number of failure to feed issues with it. I think I’ll have to convince him to get rid of it.

17. I enjoy your sense of humor.

    -D

18. Interesting how I keep hearing from Hi-Point owners how absolutely reliable their cheapo pistols are, and here I see a slightly different story.

    I tell them “you get what you pay for, just save up a little more and get a surplus ComBloc gun or a police trade in, you’ll be a million times happier!”.

    For that offense, I and other people who question the greatness of Hi-Point get labelled snobs… Sigh…

    • I keep hearing that the Hi-Point’s bad name is manufactured by Glock owners that can’t stand the cheap Hi-Point being more accurate than their own top dollar guns……

      • Honestly, we were all rooting for the Hi-Point, we really wanted it to destroy it’s previous rep. But when I shot this C9 I couldn’t hit paper at 3 yards and it jammed 2x in 4 shots.

        As a Glock fan boy, I can tell you that is why I didn’t like the Hi-Point. Not because it shoots better than my G19, because it doesn’t.

        • And are you the same “friend” at the range that failed to notice he had crnaked the rear sights clear to the bottom? Which wold be the caues of the pistol shooting low? Something literally anyone with ANY gun experience would notice? Really guys, stop defending this. You did a quick, terrible review on a pistol you were so sure was junk you actually worked hard to prove it. We all noticed, why don’t you just take it down and wait for somebody with real experience with a gun to report on it so we’ll all have an accurate picture? the longer you leave this up the wrse it gets.

        • I have seen hi-points in action….and I cringe when one is on the range. A Hi-Point fills the spot of its better than nothing and thats really what it aims for. People on a budget, people who don’t want to spend a lot on a gun, or people who want something to leave in the drawer just in case. A hi-point is not going to stand up to a Springfield, SIG, Glock, or a S&W (I am assuming I don’t have to mention something like a Kimber). That being said with the S&W SHIELD being so inexpensive at it is you have to ask yourself…..is your life really not worth $350 bucks? Honestly I could never in good faith let my mother defend herself with these pistols.

    • How many of you folks buy anything on just one half-baked review? Have you ever personally owned a Hi-point? I have a C9 because; 1) I couldn’t afford anything else. 2) They are cheap to shoot 3) They will shoot about anything I’ve put in the mag. Of course I didn’t know that firsthand before I bought one either. I know now because I tried it. I didn’t sit around pattin my Bud’s on the back and snortin about how them butt ugly things ain’t worth crap! I was shootin mine the other day along with my milsurp rifle at the 100yd range and hitting the paper (small bore 100 yd target)- yeah, at 100yds. Everytime. It’s also true I had it benched. I’ve got just over 350 rds through it and have had 1 handload problem, and a few failures to hold the slide back after the last round. I shoot WWB and Blazer alum. for the most part because they are cheap rounds. I wouldn’t expect any gun to be absolutely perfect right from the factory (and I’ve read about plenty of expensive guns being sent back). And despite what the factory say’s about the Hi-points and the initial cleaning it still needs to be done.

    • So, OK, you read ONE review and base your whole opinion on it? Lame. But you’ve heard from MANY people about how accurate and reliable they are and you disregard them. Your village called, they want you to come home.

19. Well,.. I’m not sure this a totally accurate review. I mean the gun didn’t explode in your hand, so you didn’t get the total high point experience.

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbvvurXmAmg

      Yeahhhhh…..I trust you to be well informed. These two are gunsmiths who run a store. They started this out to show the gun up, even called it a piece of cr*p. They changed their minds….

20. Just sell it to a dope boy. They love those things. The Detroit Police evidence rooms are filled with those pieces of shit.

    • Yup they are and they sit right along side the tons of Glocks that they have confiscated, so what’s your point?

    • Sound like your affiliated with the Detroit Police Dept. As a law enforcement officer I would understand you wanting the best. But for the protection of your home, I would think the C-9 would work if it’s all you have at the time. You know as well as anyone, you need to become used to the gun your counting on for protection. You can ask 100 law enforcement officers nation wide on their views of the C-9 and get 10 different views. I would hope that if this is the ownly weapon in your arsenal you would take the time to find the best ammo and practice a lot to make this cheap weapon a gun you could count.

      • DALE You are an opinionated asshole…YOU are the center stage seeker…I know I know said I wouldnt but if you read above your sarcastic bs comment started this and I dont or wont back down from you. hope you get an AD with your HP LOL fool

        • At least my opinion doesn’t bash a gun maker in the United States of America. They have a great warranty program and stand behind it. Not all of us believe the the center of attention is as important as you do. Practical application,and practice of any weapon requires your complete attention to detail. As a former Navy enlisted service person during the Vietnam error, I was taught to be critical of my surroundings at all times. It was important to have the best ammo available, no matter what weapon was available. If a part wasn’t available aboard our ship, we made it. The C-9 is something that uses all American parts. So If I have this attitude toward your bashing American products that stress you out. Maybe you should go to your doctor and have a stress test. It sounds like the center of attention is on you bandwagon, not mind.

        • Sounds like Steve/S needs a timeout and a nap.

          BTW, there is no such thing as an AD.
          An ND(Negligent Discharge) I’ll buy, but why would you wish that on anyone?

21. Great review, glad we at Guns and Ammo Warehouse could help (shameless plug). Of course you see why we rarely carry Hi-Points.

    • That’s funny, Hi-point can’t keep up with the demand and you are willing to miss out because you are ignorant? Yep, funny.

      Or did you purposely send him a faulty gun just so you were sure it would fail?

      • JRW – Manassas Guns and Ammo does not send me any guns. They’re my FFL, and handle my transfers. Thanks.

        • Doesn’t mean they don’t know how to screw with a gun. They admitted to disliking them. I’ll assume they’ve never given them a fair shake. Sort of like your review. Most shops that openly discount the effectiveness of them will admit that they haven’t actually SHOT one. They rely on hearsay and the reviews of incompetent writers for their information. Sad. Or they sell one to some imbecile that uses it as a hammer and brings it back and complains that the grips fell off. Just the fact that they would add this comment gives me pause. Shameless plug? Their whole concept was shameful.

22. Interesting.

    I have the 995TS carbine and it runs like a champ, and hits where I aim it (out of the box it was shooting way right)

    The magzine it came with sucked (until I bent the feed lips), but the replacement and the other two I bought work fine. As do the 15 round aftermarket mags.

    But then again, when I looked at reviews, everything I saw said the pistols suck, but the carbines are ok.

23. It’s time to test out the Hi-Point’s lifetime warranty and then continue with the destruction testing. Let’s see if Hi-Point can fix the problems with the pistol.

    I would be interested in their turn around time and service quality. The lifetime no questions asked warranty service is often touted by the Hi-Point fans.

24. I apprehensively decided to get a hi-point a couple weeks ago and it shoots perfect every time, I manage to hit the target every time shooting at 5 and 10 yards. I’ve put 150 rounds threw it so far and it only had 1 miss feed on the last round of the second magazine. I’m glad I got it now, especially seeing some of the problems other people have been have with there higher priced pistols.

    • Glad you’ve had a good experience. Mine obviously wasn’t so grand. Enjoy it and keep practicing!

25. This article takes part in too much petty elitism and condescending insults, which takes away from the credibility of the testing (which is a shame because the actual testing methods appear good). I’ve owned Hi Points for a decade, as well as my friends, and never once seen the malfunctions mentioned here. When I’ve shot Hi Points, they have gone bang when I wanted them to go bang, and not produced a malfunction. They make good truck guns. The grips are comfortable for first time shooters. The price is good for first time shooters. Let’s drop the elitism or we’ll wake up having lost our gun rights in 20 years because tens of thousands of would-be first time shooters decided to NOT buy an entry level gun such as a Hi Point (and then become active defenders of the 2nd amendment), and weren’t yet to the point of dropping four bills on a firearm, let alone $800 on a 1911 as some of us old timers will do. Drop the elitism. By the way, the notion that only blacks, or “gangstas” buy Hi Points is total crap.

    • T4 – Thanks for the note. Several have commented about the alleged overdose of humor and snark. I’ll take your comments into consideration. Stay tuned for further reviews coming down the pipe. There are some interesting things in my safe on T&E loan at the moment!

      • Alleged?

      • If you do ANY further reviews, they can change the name of the website to Total BS About Guns.

    • T-4 : I agree with you, The first time gun buyer’s have a difficult task when it comes to buying that first handgun. They could start with the heavier C-9 and get used to it’s weight and shooting style. Have the clip or magazine adjusted to keep it from jamming by a good gunsmith with a positive fill for the C-9 and become total happy with their purchase. The future of the 2nd Amendment is only going to stand the test of time if the numbers are there to support it.

26. I had a Highpoint (repeat HAD) and I kept it for several years for 2 purposes 1. it was a good gun to practice misfire/malfunction drills with, because it always did, 2. What a better way to let people decide if they should buy one than let them try it out for themselves.

    When I got rid of it I got the value of the ammo and brass that I included in the trade for it, or more correctly I through it in with some ammo and brass when I got out of that caliber.

    • That’s a FANTASTIC idea. Since my Kimbers and Glocks never misfeed/misfire we usually put a dummy bullet in the mags (loaded by a friend) this leads to loading several magazines for your friends and mixing them up. I will be putting an ad in the paper, “wanted, used high point c-9 that jams every few rounds for tap-rack-bang practice”. That would save me so much range time what with those pesky reliable pistols…

    • So, when friends want to borrow your car, do you loan them your broken down Honda Civic? The one that’s still under warranty, but you won’t get it fixed because you just want to irritate your friends? Your story makes no sense.

27. I worked at a public range in the mid-90’s for 2 years. When we got flagged down by customers on the range who needed help due to a problem with their pistol, the one pistol that was by far the most common was the Hi-Point. It was always feeding problems, so we’d look at it then ask them when they cleaned it last. The usual response we got was that it was brand new at which point we’d refer them to a gunsmith. My co-workers noticed the same thing so the Hi-Point handguns became the but of our jokes.
    Having been used to handling other steel framed pitstols, I also noticed that whatever kind of metal they were using at the time just felt different compared to the other pistols by brand name manufacturers.

    • well they were BRAND NEW as in no break in period.

28. Hey Lee I have to agree with you about the higher price pistols. I have a hi point 9mm carbine, 40 cal pistol hi point, and now the c9. I have had great luck with these guns I guess. I will so impressed with the 995ts when I shot it that I decided to try the pistols. The pistol shoot on target for me. Yesterday I shot the c9 at 25 yards and I got all my shots in the black and two right on the bullseye. I did make it jam purposely by limp wristing it. The hi point is just like the desert eagle, keltec 380, in ragards that you must hold them tight. If you dont then it wont feed correctly.

    I am happy that hi point is usa made and I hope they do well. I would not decide to not get a hi point because of this article. There are plenty of positive articles out there. Plus, when I’m out at the range I get a lot of people asking me what I’m shooting. I let them fire a few rounds and they are impressed. Infact, most of them now owns a hi point. Take care and God bless the USA.

29. Sorry dude, you lost me pretty fast on this review. I don’t own a C-9 and have never even fired one, but I do own a 40 JCP and it has never jammed, failed to fire, and after I adjusted the sights on the first mag I’ve never had accuracy issues. But here’s the issues I have with the review:
    – you talk about the slide rubbing your hand, but in the top pic shown in profile it is obviously not. It also isn’t in yor video.
    -the camparision to a brick was silly and immature, by the time you get to the accuracy issue I’m not taking you serious.
    -the pistol is grouping well, but shooting low consistently. You say you adjusted the rear sight, how much of the front sight are you getting in the sight picture? If it’s just the very top that would cover the explanation for your issue. can’t say that what happening, you were to busy being snarky.
    -no mention of the ammo brand, bullet weight, or whether it is low powered, standard velocity or +P. Low velcodity ammo is less likely to cycle in a a blowback design.
    -2 of your three errors on feed occur when your racking the first round. Your style of doing this looked odd, barely drawing back and pushing down. Then it lets go with a light tap (I’m glad you got it on video too). Since it looked nothing like how I’d ever racked the slide on my 40 JCP I went and tried it. 3/5 times doing it your way (the way I’d never seen anyone else do) mine failed to release the last round hold open. In yor close-up the round doesn’t look jammed in any of them you did, it looks like the slide isn’t going forward.
    – no mention of the source of you seven mags, whether their new/used, stock, or after market.
    Though you claim you wanted your review to come out opposite, that you really wanted to say it was a relieable gun, the impression I got was just the opposite. given the diversion from other reviewers methods and results, I’d have to say your review is of little worth to anyone wanting serious, non-bised advice on a Hi-Point.

    • And that safety you say is hard to operate and reach from a firing grip is right under your thumb knuckle in the pic where you compare your firing grip on a brick to your firng grip on the C-9. IT’s right where the easily operated safety is on my 40 JCP.

      • Kevin,

        I’ll let Ben defend himself on most of your points, but I will say that I shot this pistol with him prior to the video he posted for the review. We were shooting 115gr Independence 9mm FMJs and both of us had trouble hitting paper @ 3 yds no matter which way we adjusted the rear sight. This was not the case when we shot our carry pistols. FWIW the magazines were all OEM Hi-Point mags shipped to us from the manufacturer.

        • Sorry dude, you can say all you want now. Not gonna convince me this isn’t just a hatchet job. Maybe if he’d taken the review more seriously to begin with he’d have some credibility. Tell ya what, have him box it up and send it to me. If I get the same results (which at this point I sincerely doubt) I’ll gladly post detailed videos of the failures. and I’ll take it seriously. At this point I don’t think I could take any review posted on this site seriously.

          • I’m sorry you feel that way Kevin. Some guns work well, some don’t. It doesn’t matter who the manufacturer is, if it doesn’t function well we tell the truth and sometimes the truth hurts.

          • Ryan, I will be reviewing this same exact pistol. I will see if the aspects of this review that I dispute hold true, but I have noted several inconsistencies that concern me. At the least any review of a pistol shold specify the brand, weight, and style of round used. It shold probably also use multiple brands and styles. I certainly won’t test it any other way.

        • You might try Speer Gold-Dot ammo in your C-9, I fined it is the best of 5 different brands I’ve tried. Speer 147gr. and 124gr. JHP seem to really work nice, with great groupings.

        • You guys want a real review? Send me the gun, I’ve looking for a gun to play with. Im getting my foid soon which means im a noob. Ill be with a friend who is a collector of many guns and ill give an honest opinion of all the good and the bad. Email me at [email protected]. lets gets this straight.

          • I’ve been shooting Hi Points for a long time. NRA Instructor with all pistol certs and a armed securit/LE instructor in Illinois. VERY fond of the 9mm and 380. Same gun, different calibur. As A matter of fact, as part of my instruction program, I prove you can shoot 380’s in a 9mm. August 23/24/25, 2013 took my CF380 to a a 500 round tactical shoot. The range was sand based, so mags were getting extremely dirty and grimy. All kinds of guns there, all kinds of dirt related stoppages. My 380 shot and shot with just 1 failure to feed. Got home, tore the gun down and it was so full of dirt and crap, it shouldn’t have shot. On top of that, the fireing pin was bent Straightened it out and shot it, NO PROBLEMS. Called HI Point, they had me a new firing pin and spring set in 3 days. I have approx 3000 rounds through my 380. Would I trust my life with it YES! There is an honest review.

30. Go back to your Colts and Kimbers and leave the Hi Points to those of us that know how to make them work and shoot them with great success. A smart assed review does not an unbiassed review make.

    • I agree with getting to know how to shoot this C-9 pistol. Once you’ve become familiar with any weapon, it makes a lot of difference in the guns performance.

31. I read this review, shaking my head in dismay pretty much from the start. So let me get this straight. An “aspiring” gun-writer contacts a firearm manufacturer and asks for a free gun to keep. By some stroke of luck, or maybe a misread inter-office memo, you end up with one. Then you take this free pistol, straight out of the box, and come up with a wide and varied bunch of complaints about it that, to those of us with lots of experience, look like no more than an unskilled marksman’s first attempts at shooting a semi-auto. First off, proper grip is imperative, any experience shooter knows and lives that. Your grip with the web of your hand up on the slide is, dare I say it, yes I do… purposely done for this review. I am 6’4″, 225 lbs with hands that I can’t fit into extra large gloves, and I regularly shoot my C9 Comp model with the 8 round magazine. I even manage to easily use the safety with my 51 year old hands that have mild arthritis. I have two Hi Points, among many other firearms (03FFL holder and CCW permit) and while I won’t concealed carry them, I do shoot them at the range quite regularly, where they perform perfectly. Now, granted, I have done work on them. Get real, they are 150-160 dollar pistols, made with machine stamped parts. They need a fluff-n-buff to perform at their peak. A bit of time with a scotchbrite pad on the inside edge of the sear and trigger levers alone will ease that trigger pull nicely. The mags ARE the weak point of these guns, whether it be the pistol or the carbine. Sharp edges on the ears and random width settings really mess with performance, but nothing a $10 pair of Harbor Freight calipers and fine grit sandpaper won’t fix quickly.
    The biggest problem with these firearms are that they are so inexpensive. People who, truthfully, can’t operate a can-opener buy them, don’t know diddly about maintenance or HOW to shoot, then complain loudly when the pistol mis-feeds, usually because they rode the slide forward instead of pulling it back and letting it fly!
    Both my C9 Comp and my .40 JCP are dead nuts accurate, more than any of my locking breech pistols. I can easily put ten rounds into a 6 inch circle, rapid firing at 7 yards, and I am admittedly not an expert marksman, usually scoring a couple point below expert on my military qualifications.
    Now, the biggest problem with this “review” is that it is just a bunch of horse manure, really. Google any semi-auto, from Glock (kabooms) to Rugers to S&W’s and you will find people with problems, some minor, some very dangerous. If a “reviewer” isn’t experienced enough to know that proper break-in of a weapon isn’t a paramount issue, then they really don’t need to be doing so-called reviews, period… your statement that the C9 has a profile exceeding full size handguns is a tad misleading. Laid on top of one of my S&W Sigma’s, it’s pretty much the same size, although thicker. Also, an experienced shooter would know that the 9mm is a “snappier” round than the .45, but some think bigger they are the harder they shoot, which is not always true.
    One final point I’d like to make as well. Experienced shooters will NEVER judge the performance of a handgun based on one brand or type of ammo. Pretty much all the semi-autos I own, of various manufacturers, prefers certain brands and bullet weights over others. One of my “high dollar” semi’s will malfunction every shot with a 155gr bullet weight, but perform perfectly with 180gr in any brand.

    • Bruce I hardly EVER REPLY TO THESE OR ANY FORUMS. But YOU sir….could be the most articulate ,fair and independent firearms reviewer on the planet …you told it like it was ..no BS crap or KRAP… “JUST THE FACTS” I commend you sir for your truthfulness regarding the C-9 I just traded an old 20 ga bolt shotgun for a c-9 and I WILL let you know the true results using several if not 6-7 brands of ammo and different weights .BRAVO to you!

    • Finally someone who is honest,and knows it takes breaking a gun in and cleaning it properly. Ammo is so important if your counting on it to save your life, really doesn’t matter what gun you fire. I’m 61 and served my country, with Marksman,Sharpshooter,and Expert during the Vietnam Error. Thankyou for your honest review, I too have large hands and don’t have any problems with my thumb getting in the way. It would be easy enough for those who bend their thumb.

32. I own a C9. I picked it up on 2008. Until I had gotten about a hundred rounds through it, I had some stovepipes. But after breaking it in, it’s a champ.

    I qualified with it and other guns here in Nevada for CCW. I qualified at 10 yards and out shot two former cops who were shooting Glock & Smith & Wessons.

    My groups were tight and deadly with the C9.

    Also used to own a 995. And scoped, that thing shot the head off a pin from just about any distance under 100 yards.

    I hear conflicting reports from other owners. Some guys have GREAT results and swear by their HP’s. Others seemingly have horrible results. At this point, my thoughts are that each HP must have it’s own personality and nuances. That must account for the difference in experience.

33. Well said Bruce! I would someday like to become diplomatic like that. But for now I just say it like I see it and I see a scam perpetrated by a ‘Weapons warehouse’ on a unsuspecting aspiring writer who fell for it. For what reason’s I can’t say. But if one review of ONE gun is enough to turn the minds off of any semblance of open mindedness of any one of these fellows then they weren’t open minded in the first place. It appears as though none of them have ever owned a Hi-point much less seen one in person or fired one so they make childish claims based on the few calamities that they’ve seen on youtube (or where ever) that these guns are unreliable. Maybe they aren’t as reliable as a $1000 dollar gun, But you know, I could crucify all the Kimbers out there too because a friends Kimber jammed three out of five shots when I went to the range the last time with him. So I guess ALL Kimbers are junk. Hmmm….Nobody would believe that because that gun cost a grand. So I guess ya’ll can live in your little shangrila and believe what you want. I paid $136 dollars for my gun and am completely satisfied with it. Besides, if ya’ll want to have a one bullet shootout I’ll step out with ya.

34. I adjusted the lips on all 6 of my mag’s and polished the feed ramp, after that I have had no problems with my C-9. I also qualified for my CCW with it at 7 yards. When parts wear out, I call Hi Point and they send me the parts I need, free of charge. I did send it back after I had it over a year and they replaced the barrel and all the inter parts, sent it back to me with a free Mag as is there practice, all at no charge. Is it heavy? Yes it is, it’s also $150. As for the slide rubbing against, and trying to take off the skin on the top of your thumb, I have never had that problem. Also, for me,, I feel like the safety is in a good place, It’s easy to engage and disengage with my thumb, but then I am right handed.
    As for your statement “this gun was shooting no-where near point of aim”,, A little practice might help fix that problem.

35. This review is a failure. Credibility is lost for “Truth about guns”.

    • Can you be any more vague? Seriously though, what are your specific complaints about this review? OTHER than the alleged bias, which I can only assure you was not in play here. Is there anything factually inaccurate in what Mr. Shotzberger wrote?

      • You mean other than the statements regarding slide bite, (you can’t get your hand into that position unless you just pick up the thing by the rear of the slide… I know, I pulled my C9 out and tried it, that picture is a blatant misrepresentation of any grip that any shooter would ever use!) difficult safety, profile, his horrible testing procedure (one ammo only?) and the non-factual statements that had nothing to do with the actual testing of the product? Well, other than all that stuff it was… well, it was what it was.

36. Yes Bob, theres lots of factual inaccuracies in this supposed review. Lots of asinine remarks and opinions is what this “review” is comprised of. I’ve owned a c9 and it functioned very well. I was shooting fist sized groups at 7yrds. The only reason I sold it off was to fund another gun purchase. I had slide bite once when I first got it,(used a high hold, caught the webbing between my thumb and index finger) but a change in my grip and all was well. Shooters adapt to firearms, not the other way around. All things mass produed are bound to have a problem here or there. I had a brand new Springfield XD9 that had problems the first range session. I sent it back to Springfield and they fixed it for me. Should I slander them because a brand new gun was unreliable? Every gun has a break in period, you can’t shoot 100rds and judge how a gun will perform, any experienced shooter knows this. If the gun wasn’t operating properly, it should have been sent back and remedied instead of being immediately bashed. Theres tons of information from sites dedicated to this brand about issues that may arise, as there are for every other gun manufacturer out there. Perhaps if the author had taken the time to research more about potential problems beforehand, he would’ve known how to remedy it or would’ve sent it back and then conducted his test when it returned. If anyone wishes to be non biased and wants to see the other side of the coin, theres a muti vid torture test on youtube. Here is the link to video 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbvvurXmAmg As you will see in the video, the results are the exact opposite of the authors.

37. Firstly, you have to smarter than the gun. If it shooting too much to the left, adjust the sights. I don’t care how expensive a gun is, there’s always going to be someone bashing it.
    Don’t think you’re the first to bash the HiPoint, many have beat you to it. Put one of those hot loads in your Glock and then count all your fingers.

    Mech

38. I’ve got to admit that I’m sort of astonished to see such a lack of objectivity in the musings of a self proclaimed aspiring journalist. I’ve owned a Hi Point C9 pistol and 995 carbine for almost eleven years now and have been nothing but satisfied with them. Last year I added yet another C9 to the gun cabinet.

39. I really can’t find words to express my dismay with this “review” of the HP C9. I don’t mean I’m dismayed by the HP’s performance…I am dismayed… no, I think disgusted is a better word…yes, I am disgusted that any man who thinks he is a gun writer cannot hit paper at 3 yards with ANY gun, nor adjust his grip or sights properly to operate the gun effectively.

    Not to mention comparing small caliber blow back pocket guns to a 9mm blowback, and then thinking that the disparity in weight of a .32 Colt slide vs. the HP justifies him acting like a self righteous prig when discussing the large slide necessary for the 9mm’s far higher pressures.

    Check out ANY of the HP user websites; they all talk about the need to tweak the magazines, and they all talk about break-in. Apparently, you were so busy planning your hatchet job, that you didn’t bother doing any research beyond finding some slurs you could use to negatively describe the gun?

    I’m sorry…you need to aspire to be something other than a gun writer; or you need to do some serious work on your knowledge of guns.

40. The statements in this review that did not make sense made me re-read it several times. I now have a couple of questions for the writer.
    1. Did you install the Ghost-ring sight before going to the range, or just adjust the dot rear sights in? Because, in the pic where you compare it to a brick, the sights appear to be adjusted ALL THE WAY DOWN. this will produce patterns that are too far DOWN.
    2. What grip are you using? the pic of your hand being bit does not match any grip i have seen, as the top rear of the frame is completely covered by your hand. this will cause slide bite from ANY automatic, from 1911, to Glock, to Beretta, and yes to Hi Point. Blaming this pistol for this is like blaming your coffee table when you stump your toe on it. This weird grip may also explain why you cannot work the safety.
    3. How is the firearm remotely related to a brick? the average brick weighs 2.7 kilograms. that is slightly over 95 ounces. Loaded, the Hi Point pistol weighs 32 ounces, almost a third less, but as you state, unloaded it weighs 29. By, comparison, the Glock 19 weighs 29 ounces Loaded and the Ruger P89 weighs 28, again loaded. 2-3 ounces are not that much of a difference.
    4. the trigger pull, did you measure it? usually, my .45 and .380 break clean at 4 and 5 pounds, respectively. the 9mm and the .380 are the SAME, except the barrel is chambered differently. Glocks normally range between 7 and 8. You claim this 9mm to be 9. That is still pretty light.
    5. You stated “If it continues to be uncooperative and non-responsive, you can empty 60 rounds into it in seven seconds . . . I mean “tap” it to correct the issue.” What does this even mean? It is a complete contradiction of itself!
    You really need to keep that 9mm and practice using a Semi-automatic handgun. this will show you the correct grip, stance and functions that only come with actual firearms experience. That way, the next time you do a review, you can do it correctly.

    • Thankyou for this really true opinion of the C-9, Your so right .

41. I read this review with moderate disgust. I did so mainly because I clicked on the link and read his initial “range report” before reading the rest of the “review”, so I know that in that report he did admit to having realized AFTER HE LEFT THE RANGE that he adjusted the rear sight in the wrong direction when attempting to correct the low shooting. He clearly discusses that session in this “review” but never fesses up to not knowing enough about guns to know to raise the rear sight to raise point of impact. (Or even acknowledging that the error occured.) Pretty much anyone familiar with guns would disreagrd anything else he had to say after that. And if the person posting in support of him is the buddy he had with him at the range that also tried the pistol one would have to be a little doubtful of his familiarity with firearms too…
    I also borrowed my friend’s Glock 26 (a make and model I’ve never tried) and was able to dead center the head of a target at 9 feet without even sighting down the slide. Makes me wonder about the “muscle memory shot” he tried. I actually can’t imagine a situation where you’d be called upon to fire at 9 feet where you’d have time to use the sights though….not when it would really matter.

42. Benjamin T. Shotzberger,
    Mornin,
    Here is some info that I think you need. When you do a writeup, you are putting your reputation/creditability and the site that it is posted on, on the line. We all make mistakes as we go through life. The trick is to figure them out and correct them. I’m looking forward to your next “Gun Review: Hi-Point C9 9mm Pistol” update.

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/hobbles/C9/HPmagPic.jpg
    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/hobbles/C9/correctiontarget.jpg

    This is at 7 yards with my C-9, free hand, and I am 63 y/o. I ain’t as steady as I was in my younger days.
    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/hobbles/C9/jwtarget1.jpg

    PS:
    I like the setup of this site, it gives us time to correct/edit our post’s. Good move..

    • Your target for determining error needs to have “Adjusted rear sight in wrong direction” added to the very bottom. Might also want to add “adjusted rear sight too far up” at the ectreme top, “adjusted rear sight to far right to the left” and “adjusted rear sight to far left” to the right.

      • You got to understand. They don’t know what a rear sight is.

        Mech

43. An easy way to remember how to adjust the sights are,

    The rear sight moves in the same direction you want the POI to be.

    The front sight moves in the opposite direction of where you want the POI to be.

44. Note to MechWolf and others:

    TTAG’s flaming policy: no flaming the website, its authors or fellow commentators.

    You are free to criticize the substance of the author’s writing as passionately as you please. But personal insults are not allowed.

    Comments that flame will be deleted and their author notified by email. Persistent flamers will be permanently banned.

    In this instance, please note that we are sending the gun to a member of the Hi-Point forum for a take two review.

45. Why would you send it back to Hi-Point for a second review? In doubt? The answer is YES. It has to do with the limp wristing he was doing.

    Mech

46. I can do this all day. Until I have to go to work. You know what that is?

    Mech

47. Mornin Benjamin T. Shotzberger,
    I was wondering if you were going to do a follow up on your C-9 Gun Review?
    I’m not trying to get you to lean in any direction, just want to see how you progress in your assessment of subjects you take interest in. Being honest with you opinion is what your followers are interested in, being thorough is another. This might help..
    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/hobbles/C9/howtoaim.jpg

48. Apologies for my absence, took some time to go see family in the land of yet-to-be-introduced-to-the-Internet.

    Anyway, it appears that quite the storm started here while I was away. I tried to address a few points the other night, but clearly didn’t make it far enough down the list.

    Some supplemental info about me. Yes, I do know how to aim a firearm. Yes, I’m competent enough to hit a target with most anything using “point shooting.” My formal shooting instruction has come from various sources, ranging from Gunsite Academy back to military instruction which I received with both the Army and Air Force. No, I never saw active duty, nor will I ever claim to have done so. Informal instruction goes back further than I can really remember. I grew up farming, and varmint hunting was just a part of the gig. I can shoot just fine (http://thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/05/benjamin-t-shotzberger/gun-review-smith-and-wesson-pro-series-9mm-1911/) , even with three dot at 50 yards. I’m also a firm believer in the “there’s always room for improvement” philosophy – hence why I still attend formal training whenever I’m able and make informal range trips as often as my paycheck allows.

    I am not a Glock fanboy who is hell bent on trashing Hi Point. I’m not even a Glock fanboy.. I have no beef with the Hi Point company, I’ve iterated this a few times and pointed out some things they (Hi Point) do absolutely right as a company. Clearly, however I was not a fan of this pistol.

    Tackleberry – your comment deserves particular attention, because it brings up a major issue that shooting (as a beginner / first timer) the C9 TTAG was sent creates. It was stated that a reader (well, more than one sifting through the Hi Point forum also) has been inclined to hand their Hi Point to a beginning shooter, to let them get the feel of it and shooting. The first failure to come into battery, that “auto fixed” itself – could have disastrous results if a beginner shooter has made the (fairly common) mistake of turning around to get help after experiencing something unexpected, like the slide failing to close properly. Muzzle discipline becomes an even bigger issue if the pistol then “fixes” itself while it’s lasering the line.

    On racking the slide – The failure to come into battery, or “slide stuck on chambering” issue has also been cited over at the Hi Point forum, I’m not the first one to have this problem. Regarding my form – There are two strategies I’ve used for this. The first, holding the firearm steady and pulling the slide backwards parallel to the barrel, then releasing. The second, holding the slide steady and “pushing” the firearm forward, again parallel with the barrel.

    Slide bite has been cited on the C9 before, I’m not the first here. Slide bite has been cited on several other pistols as well. This one bit me hard, and yes after that I paid particular attention to the grating against my hand. I was also not the only TTAG reviewer to experience this with the C9.

    Tweaking the magazines would not have been an “out of the box” review. Several have commented on reliabilty issues being present, but being fixed after buffing, bending, or otherwise manipulating the magazines. I do not consider that to be part of normal “break-in.”

    Hobbles – I appreciate your comments and the constructive parts of your criticism. I’ve just gotten back in to town from vacation and have pretty obviously missed a bunch! Yes, there will be a “take two.” RF is also in the process of releasing the (very same) pistol to a member of the Hi Point Forum for his take.

    A couple have huffed about the brick comparison. Let yourselves laugh a little. Be honest here, it’s a brick. A polymer framed pistol weighing in just a few ounces lighter than an all steel pistol with a longer barrel begs the question – why the polymer in the first place if not to save weight? There’s nothing wrong with being a brick, or looking like a workhorse (I even said that) – I’ll take function over fashion every day of the week. In this case, I couldn’t reliably or consistently find either.

    Sight adjustment was not made until the pistol had been fired. And no, that was not the only range trip made with the C9. We addressed this.

    When we received the pistol after being told we were not to destroy it – we didn’t destroy it. That shouldn’t fascinate. Had we wanted to follow-through on destructive testing, we could have purchased the pistol and gone ahead with it. Blowing-up someone else’s gun (intentionally and without permission) would be a non-starter.

    More to come. Thanks.

    • It seems you and other writers for this site are having to go back and add in a lot of information that was not included in the originally posted article after you are criticized for not doing things/doing things only once/failing to provide/etc. To the generous reader this makes it sound like your first write-up was unprofessional and sloppy. To the critical reader who was offended by your snark and attitude it makes it sound like you are out and out making things up to defend yourself, because if all this was true you would have said it to begin with. From Hi-Point told you not to destroy the pistol (though in a previous comment you yourself said “it turned out not to be necessary” – not they told us not to) to now saying you corrected the problem with how you misadjusted the sights (though based on reading your two posts it made ZERO difference in POI) it has now reached the point where you are starting to contradict yourself. I honestly thing at this point you should just stop commenting and wait for someone else to review the pistol and do a professional write-up. anything else you do or say is just throwing gas on the fire….

      • Re: The Hi Point testing – We initally contacted them looking for a T&E pistol to torture test. They were on-board, then decided against sending us one for such tests. A month later, a C9 magically appeared at my FFL, we believe due to a mixup in their shipping department.

        Having the last communication from Hi Point’s folks effectively state “we don’t authorize you to break the T&E gun, actually we’re not sending you one at all” -but then getting one from them- we moved forward with a standard review versus destroying property on loan. Again, the pistol is a T&E loan, not a “freebie.” It is not owned by myself or TTAG. The thought had crossed our minds to go ahead and buy it (since we had it) and proceed with the destructive testing – we deemed this not to be a needed step.

        There’s no startling discovery of error or misrepresentation on the part of TTAG with what we wanted to do or with what we did with the C9. A large part of the commenting (including what I’ve just posted) has already been said.

        Thanks, though.

    • Jut a quick one in response to your comment “why the polymer in the first place if not to save weight?”

      Have you ever picked up the Maverick JS 9? It was the alloy framed pre-cursor to the poly framed C9; and it is CRAZY heavy.

      So yes, the polymer did save weight.

      Is the C9 still heavier than some guns, and lighter than some other guns? Yes, it is. The funny thing is, no one ever complains about the heavier guns being heavy. The charge only gets applied to the HP, and it gets mentioned consistently. Why is that? I think it is because so many writers are also readers. They repeat the things they think are expected.

      But do any of them mention the positive aspects of that weight? Reduced felt recoil and reduced muzzle flip, for instance? No, they don’t. Strange, isn’t it; that gun reviewers are so rarely objective enough to understand the details, and what they mean?

      • FYI: We mention the advantages of a heavier gun on a regular basis. Click here and here.

49. I like smart-assed remarks. I use them all the time. I loved the brick pic. I also love my Hi-point C9 and 45. I’ve had a few mag feed problems with the C9 that were easily fixed.: none with the 45. I also have a gorgeous Colt 1911 that has never missed a beat after a little bit of tuning. The best one for my own accuracy is the HP45 that looks like a Harbor Freight portable drill.
    There was a certain air of “Can’t wait to see it fail” attitude in the review. Someone trying to impress the more expensive brand representatives maybe? I’m glad to see a second opinion was granted and look forward to the results.
    Thanks,
    Mike Sr.

    • Mike,

      Glad you saw some of the humor here – that was the goal.

      Re: Impressing the larger manufaturers – I’ve pretty clearly established that I’m OK calling rubbish when I see it. S&W rushed an M&P.22 pistol to market, naming it a tactical trainer while removing certain functionality (swappable backstraps) or options (thumb safety v no thumb safety) that makes their M&P line stand out. It’s a plinker, not a trainer – if you can’t practice exactly how you play, don’t call it a “trainer” I called them on it. I’ve talked to their reps about it, and funny thing is – they agreed. There’s another big name manufacturer that’s about to have some questions posed regarding one of their flagship products. It’s TTAG, we’re going to tell it like it is.

      We look forward to your continued readership and contribution.

50. Benjamin T. Shotzberger,
    Thanks for the reply. Looking forward to the next test, no matter the outcome.

    We all need a vacation from time to time.

51. Some people are just too serious! Try riding up to a hardcore biker bar on a scooter, parking up front and swaggering in-leather and all. You are going to hear some laughter.

52. No Ben, a lot if it had NOT been said. You didn’t say you shot it more than one ragne session (you initial “range report” and this “review” have almost identical language), you did not say you corrected your sighting error, you did not say you used different ammo (still haven’t specified bullet weight and style), you did not say you decided not destroy it because the company didn’t want you to, etc. Essentially every comment you or anyone else from TTAG has posted has had information in it not in the original review. Why don’t you just take my advice and stop throwing fuel on the fire. Wait for someone to do a professional write-up on it that is thorough and complete. The more you talk, the worse it gets.

    • I find it funny that all this clowns ridicule the Hipoint firearms! Just what are these clowns looking for in a $155.00 dollar gun!?!?!?!!?! If money is not an issue than buy a dam HK 9mm for $1200.00… Why don’t these clowns compare the Hipoint to it’s real competitors!?!?! Like the Loricin arms; Jennings arms; Phoenix Arms; Breco arms; Cobra arms; Raven arms; Titan arms; Cal-Tech arms; Davis arms!!! Hipoint stands head ans shoulders above it’s competitors I just mention! Not to mention NONE of it’s competitors offer a life time warranty….

      Geeeeze what do you want out of a $150.00 buck gun?

53. I just reread your initial range report AGAIN. It ends like this- “My initial impression? The Hi Point C9 shoots bullets. It’s a gun. With a bit of work, it might even be a reasonably accurate gun. Sometimes you choose the gun, sometime the gun chooses you. At the moment, the C9 is best used at point blank range. With a few twists of an multi-tool, that could change.” Sometime between then and now the jamming issue became serious, and this went to “I would not buy a Hi-Point C9 on a bet”. So be honest – which is true? How does one go from that initial reaction to the reivew you wrote here where you say you never had anything but trouble? You initial report didn’t mention slide bite, jamming, and seems to decide that the low shooting was because you adjusted the sights the wrong way. Then this review says the near polar opposite. How? YOur description of the accuracy issue is the same, but the conclusion of the cause is different, without explanation. It’s very difficult to read both of these and find you credibly.

54. “All I wanted was a Pepsi, and she wouldn’t give it to me…I’m not crazy-institutionalized…” The Repo Man (Suicidal Tendencies)

55. Apparently by “we” Robert means himself. Both articles he cites are written by him. It appears one of the issues here is Ben’s attitude toward the HP in the review. It certainly appears that somewhere between his first range review and writing this his views changes radically. And it is hard to imagine that a firearm that he experienced no reported jams with at one session became “jam-o-matic” at the next. Also I STILL want an explanation of how correcting his error with the rear sights managed to change the POI bot at all….

56. On the bright side:
    I just looked at the target again and realized that if you were aiming at center mass, you still would have eliminated the bad guy from the gene pool if he survived the blood loss.
    See? Some of us Hi-Point fans can laugh at themselves as well. A good idea for everyone.
    Mike Sr.

57. If HP doesn’t call to recollect that C9, and you obviously don’t want to keep it, I accept 9mm donations.

58. I used to carry my C9 for work [armed security] for 5 years. It never failed me. I had to qualify every 6 months and mine would hit the target and give me a 249 out of a 250 score. To date I have almost 6,000 rounds thru it and it still hits where I aim. I am now retired and my C9 is my daily CCW weapon.

59. I can knock a pimple off a flea’s ass at 10 yards with my Hi point 9mm. Only had to adjust my ghost ring sight a quarter turn clockwise. Methinks it’s the operator…..

60. Anyone with any doubts about this pistol need to check out this video. These two guys did everything they could to destroy the gun but it couldn’t be done. Watch Their other videos too they even pounded a 1/2″ bolt down the barrel to try and get it to explode again they failed.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbvvurXmAmg

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmt5QB814Tw

    • Those videos are what swayed me to purchase the HI POINT .45….I just like a bigger round… but it shoots every time I pull the trigger….I’m thinking about getting the “9” … and the carbine…in .45…

61. Doing an n of 1 test without considering the many other range reports out there on the C9 is a bit silly. In addition, why not give Hi Point a chance to fix the firearm, as they have a good reputation for customer service? Then, see if it still functions like a piece of crap, or if it becomes the reliable, non-ergonomic, heavy as a brick gun it is known to be. There is already a well established track record of this gun being a bit finicky about ammo, magazines need to be broken in and tweeked sometimes to function, etc. You don’t seem to take any of this info into account when trying out your pistol. Did you do no homework? Finally, your grip on the pistol looks to me like you would get the same “bite” with quite a few pistols out there. This is not an issue reported in any other range reports I have found of the C9; isn’t the slide biting you more the shooter than the firearm?

    • Why not give HP a chances to fix the issues.. Well two reasons.. 1).. Reviewer wanted to bash a perfectly good firearm.. and 2).. Doing so would prove the reviewer does not have the skill he needs to actually do firearm reviews.

62. I like mine and I do about the same groupings with a much nicer gun. I think you got a bad one. Try sending it back. They’ve got a good warranty program.

63. This is not the truth about guns. Look at the hand in the brick photo and the hand in the firearm photo and tell me what photo is zoomed bigger. That alone tells me about the bias slant of the writer.

    • one of many inconsistencies in this review

64. Look at the photo of the author holding the gun that’s next to the one holding the brick. Now look at the one below where he talks about being bitten by the slide. He’s holding the gun differently in the second photo. See where his thumb knuckle is and the web of his hand. Photo is obviously taken to manufacture a problem. No credibility there….

65. Why are there pictures of 2 different Hi Points? One has a Yellow dot for the safety the other has an orange dot. Might be a good idea to adjust your grip to avoid those nasty BITES you had… Seems that ANY pistol would do the same if held in that matter. I will gladly send you my C9 to review… Never had a FTF, FTE, stovepipe or jam of any kind. Shoots dead center at 40 feet. Never had a slide bite. Seems you threw out the baby with the bath water on this one… Lets see a picture of the actual abrasion on your thumb from the slide. I hope your other reviews have been better then this one seems to be.

66. I own a C9, admittedly I don’t even like the thing, but your review is remarkably full of bullsht. I lol’d my arse off.

67. lol the writer of this review is an idiot. lmao look at his grip. I have a C9 and my wife and i have shot it, 0 slide bite and easy clip insert and safety use. If your going to do a gun review atleast know guns and how to use them properly.

68. I can see why they didn’t want to send you a gun, it’s fairly obvious you don’t know how to hold one much less hit anything with it. This has been the worst review I’ve read and I’ve been doing research on the C9 for a while now. Not a word about the type of ammo used, you didn’t contact the company to ask them to repair what seems to be a defective trigger assembly.

69. totally bogus review look at placement of hand in brick comparison photo then look at complaint of slide chaffing. He’d have to be well above frame to achieve the latter photo, a stupid grip . I’ve put 500 rnds thru a new c9 and no it’s not as sweet a shooter as the s&w357 revolver I have but it’s performance is not even close to this review. Trigger is heavier than I anticipated but if it doesn’t loosen at 1k rnd mark I’ll contact Hi-Point service

70. As a reformed Hi-Point Kool-Aid Drinker, here are a few universal truths about Hi-Point firearms that everyone needs to understand, coming from a guy who has owned 3 of them:

    1) Quality varies wildly from example to example, and the issues may or may not be fixable. I had a C9 that I was never able to get working correctly, even after returning it to the factory, swapping out mags, etc. I wanted it to work, mainly because I got it from a pawn shop for $65. I was consoled by the fact that I was able to re-sell it for twice that, even while disclosing all the problems that it had. My 995 Carbine didn’t work well at first, but after going back to the factory for a going over (yay, free lifetime warranty!), it performed flawlessly up until the day I sold it. And, my .45 has never had a single issue, even shooting soft lead bullets, and I’ve never had to do any work on it. If you find a good one, you can own a functional firearm for a very reasonable price. If you get a bad one, you’ll tear your hair out trying to fix it…it’ll be “close”, but never quite right.

    2)Hi-Point has a fiercely devoted fan following who sometimes get offended at criticism, even satirical, of any Hi-Point product, hence the outrage at the brick picture which I found amusing. They’ll sometimes call you a gun snob or whatever, suggesting that if there’s a problem, it is your fault and not that of the gun (you’re not holding it right…using the wrong ammo, etc). In some cases, that could be true, but a gun should just work without issue, even at $150.

    I used to be one of these people…right after I got my 995, I didn’t understand why people slammed Hi-Points so much. Sure, they were cheap, crude and ugly, but they worked, right? Then I got my C9 and I understood.

    To be fair, the C9 seems to be the most trouble prone of all the Hi-Point line. Some people have no problems at all, and for others, it can be a nightmare. I spent over a year trying different ammo combinations, magazine adjustments, “fluffs and buffs”, etc., without success. I personally like the Hi-Point concept of making guns inexpensive enough that anyone can own them, but the execution sometimes leaves something to be desired.

    That’s not to say that I wouldn’t recommend a Hi-Point to someone who needed a gun right now and at the right price. Just not the C9. I think Hi Point needs to re-work this design to bring it up to the same quality and reliability as their other guns.

    In spite of this, I feel generally positive about Hi-Points. Of the three I’ve owned, two have worked out great, and even though I only own one now, the others I was able to sell for significantly more than what I had invested. When you consider the lifetime warranty, it really is a “zero risk” gun. The price point is so low and the warranty is so comprehensive that there’s little to no depreciation!

    To the author…I’d also recommend trying the .45. Of course, give the thing a proper break-in period with a few hundred rounds, and leave the mags packed for a couple of weeks to compress the springs. Since I did those things, mine’s been flawless.

71. Just bought a 9MM at a local gun show. I listened to the sales person giving his pitch to others looking at the weapon. I should have listened a bit better!
    I made the purchase and went home. I did not take the weapon out of its box for 2 days. When i got the time to sit and go over the weapon i found several interesting issues. 1) the counter weight rattles around when the clip is out. 2) the slide action is not smooth at all. 3) the safety is very difficult to engage.
    I was more concerned about the rattle then the other issues so i went to 2 local gun shops by my home. Both gun shops asked if i wanted to use the range when they saw me enter the business with my gun case. I told them not today but i had some questions if they did not mind. Shoot they said until i opened my case and they saw what was inside. Both shop owners informed me that Hi Point hand guns were not allowed on their range. Strike 1. They both told me about this weapon the 9MM exploding in the shooter hand. Having the slide disengage and leave the frame. Strike 2. Both had no reason, and both had seen it b4, the counter weight not being secure. Strike 3. They asked if i had contacted the manufacturer. I told them i had made calls and only got VMS. I left my number requesting a call back. I have also sent an E mail to the web site listed on the paperwork in the box. This was over 2 weeks ago. It makes you wonder about the warranty. If you cant get a safe working product brand new, what makes one believe a repaired gun would be any better.
    I will be returning the weapon to the dealer and consider this a lesson learned.

72. @atlantamike that rattle is normal. You should go to you tube and watch the stress test they did on the pistol. I have a hard time believing that the c9 can blow up in a person hand. But, I guess it posible but extremely uncommon for that gun. My gun dealer is the one who talked me into getting this gun. I have been inpressed and I have had no gun range turn me down here in MN. I am very happy with my c9 and for 130 dollars a little rattling doesn’t bother me.

73. I couldn’t disagree with you more. Hi point pistols may be cheap in cost but perform great. I have put over 4k rounds threw mine and it did jam 6 times. But it is a great pistol. If you can’t hit a target at three yards with accuracy with this pistol then I would bre afraid to go shooting with you. I can shoot this pistol with accuracy at 25+ yards. I own many hi point guns from carbines to pistols and they perform great. I shoot

74. i have 3 hi point 9 hand gun — 9 carbine and 45 hand pistol–carbine and 45–love them–constantly sending 9 handgun back for jamming problems–a gun that does not go bang just aint worth a penny
    my opinion

75. I don’t know what the author was shooting? I took my C9 to the range yesterday – put 200 rounds through it without a jam …. with Great accuracy.. From 25 feet took aim at a life size silhouette – rapid fire – two in the head – two in the heart – dead on with each group within 3 inches of each other – then took aim at the 5 inch tall replica of the target up in the corner – taking aim at the “heart” …. dead on from 25 feet … you either got a bad gun – or just cant shoot straight. Granted – I liked my friends Springfield 40 XD better – I was dead center with each shot with that … but then it isnt a $150 gun

76. Oh and I forgot – my hands are the size of catchers mitts and I have no problem with the slide hitting them

77. Its obvious to everyone in this “review” the reviewer is a gun moron and hates the fact that a $150 gun fires as good as any other gun, too bad he is not smart enough to adjust the sights. I wonder if he knows how to aim at all?

    • In my experience it’s nearly always the shooter and not the gun. Or, as a former drill sergeant of mine said 40 years ago, “Stop whining like a little girl and learn your weapon!”

      I’ve visited nearly every gun shop within a 50 mile radius; nearly all sell Hi Point products. I’ve talked to cops, ex-military, shop owners, and others more knowledgeable than I, and none have had bad things to say about Hi Point. I could care less, it’s a tool and no better or worse than Taurus, S&W, Ruger or any other manufacturer out there. But, Hi Point would not make a gun this inexpensive with a lifetime warranty if they didn’t have a lot of confidence in it. They’d go bankrupt pretty quickly if it were as junky as some here believe. I own the 9mm; you can drop ’em in the mud, run over them with your pickup, wipe ’em off and they’ll still go bang. If you can’t hit anything with it, see my first sentence.

78. I have recieved this pistol (the exact one reviewed here) and tested it fairly intensively. Robert Farago (who runs this site) has promised he will post my complete review as I write it up. All I will say at this point is that those of you calling “user error” on the first review are not wrong….

    • Kevin did they ever put up your updated review?

79. Dear Ben Shotzberger,

    It’s obvious you are a gun “writer”, not a gun “shooter”. Those in the real world of firearms can tell the difference. The slide bite you experienced can occur with several semi-auto pistols. It’s do to improper grip, not brand of firearm. You write well enough, but please, PLEASE, get some professional firearms training if you’re going to continue to review guns. This will keep you from hurting yourself, and enable you to give more objective reviews. If I shoot myself in the foot drawing a Kimber .45 from the holster, does that mean Kimber makes an inferior product?

    I own pistols made by Colt, HiPoint, and others, and they all will exhibit problems when operated improperly. If one is going to review guns, they should be able to proficiently operate such before attempting any sort of criticism.

    Be safe,
    H. Ellis III

80. mmm, I have shot over 3000 rounds thru mine, with two misfires, those were both on the first clip. I have had times at the outdoor range where I had 6 clips set up and ran thru all 6 fairly quickly and accurately and people come up and ask what am I shooting

    • The fact that you said clip; and not mag makes me weary of anything you have to say. Also; they were probably going over to ask you what you were firing because going through six 8rd “clips” must have been weird to listen to.

      I can fire my Glock 17 until it starts burning my skin from the heat build up; I seriously doubt anyone would truly care what I’m firing.

      I think people need to take firearms a bit more seriously and not buy one for 150$. There’s a reason they’re cheap as dirt.

      • well stated Syntax GLOCK all the way!!!

      • Syntax – The fact that you use semi-colons in the middle of sentences and in place of commas makes me very LEARY of anything you have to say. And not everybody can afford to purchase a G17. Are you offering to buy? Glocks for everybody on the house!

        • Hey there The Dude! Today’s tip concerns grammar and spelling lames. If you’re going indulge, be sure that you get your own spelling correct. I’m leery of people who are weary of leary.

          Also, Syntax’s second semicolon was used correctly.

          HAND, HTH, YMMV, &c, &c

          -Pete

81. Well I purchased one a few months ago and have put about 650 rounds through it. I had one stovepipe.
    I think you may need to quit limp wrisitng and learn how to fire the cheap POS. Yes it is a cheap POS! but it is reliable.

82. I have had a C9 High Point pistol for about 12 years. It shoots as well as any other pistol I have ( Ruger and S&W) Because of the weight I would not want to have to carry it. But for home defense and just plinking it is fine.

83. I have a C9 and use Remington UMC, Blazer Brass, and Speer Lawman in it and have not had a misfire. I have never had to adjust the mags or polish the ramp. The gun simply works. Out of the box it took an 1/8th turn site adjustment to put it on target, haven’t touched it since. This gun was purchased for plinking, it sits on the night stand, it goes with the Jeep on winter desert runs in Az, and it stays with the boat on summer trips. We trust it as it has never failed to go “Bang” when asked to. Recently saw a video of a Taurus 9mm, the third shot was ftl, so much for the price of the gun governing the reliability.

    The term “clip” – I know many that have been shooting guns for over 60 yrs that still call it a clip. Seems to go along with the area you live in.

84. Some people just can’t afford to spend a lot of money on a bedside pistol.With the Hi-Point, just find what ammo it functions with and be happy or send it back and get another one..Even Kimber, Colt, and Springfield get complaints!!Who has better customer service than Hi- Point? I’ve been a shooter for fifty years and have seen guns way,way more expensive function worse.
    As far a using the word “clip” Who cares?? Everybody knows what it means.

85. Either you have a complete lack of experience using any type of gun or you never fired the weapon to begin with and made up a moronic story. I own a dozen guns; sigs, h & K, berettas and two hi points. My hi points function just as good as any of my others. Yes, trigger responses vary as well as weight, but the guns all fire ammo the same. The accuracy of my c9 is dead on at 50 yards…yes…50 yards i can hit a 50 cent piece. I have had only had a few jams and never a misfire. Every one of my guns have had jams before and misfires. For the $150 price tag and lifetime REPLACEMENT warranty…a hi point cannot be outdone. And they are very very durable. Obviously you must be a fool who is jaded by a price point that nears the value of your integrity.

86. I have owned a Highpoint 45 ACP for the last 5 years or so. It has misfed but so rarely I can’t remember the last time. I have a stainless 45 Taurus and without fail my kids (25 , 30 and 40 yer old males) prefer shooting the High Point. Every time. It has this massive slide and the weight of it is remarkable but it has almost no recoil as compared to the Taurus and the 1911 my son owns. It IS ultimately reliable and heavy and ugly but they prefer shooting it …………….. oh and did I say – it is accurate too. If I lost it or had it stolen I would replace it. Not much else to say.

87. I was wondering if you were ever able to correct the low point of impact? If you did, what did you do, besides compensate by aiming higher.

88. Its pretty clear in the pics that he has the rear sight adjusted all the way down and still cant figure out why its shooting low.

    If you dont know that you raise the rear sight to raise the point of impact, my philosophy is to take the exact opposite of everything you say as truth.

89. I have a C9. 270 rounds, 2 FTFs. The FTFs were predictable. In my research before buying the gun, some reviewer wrote that you should load the magazines with 7 rounds the first few times to break them in or the second round would jam. As a test, I loaded 2 new mags with 8 rounds, and in each case the second round jammed. I loaded all mags with 7 rounds and they worked flawlessly. I then went to an 8 round load and they continued to function fine. Granted, the magazines could us a little “buffing-up,” but for $10 each and a little care in loading them, they are adequate. Accuracy: not too bad, shoots low and left but nothing like you described. Still appendix hits. A gun dealer revealed to me that another customer had the same accuracy problem with his C9. He returned it for service. They re-aligned the fixed barrel and it was right on target. Will be sending mine in. I’ve never been pinched by the slide. From the picture you showed either you can palm a basketball, or you exaggerated your grip for the photo op. If you grip and shoot as the picture shows, an inevitable slight upward nudge on the safety will engage it and may cause the slide to hang up. The safety MUST be fully down. The arch at the rear top of the handle is recessed from the back of the slide making it virtually impossible for the web of the hand to overlap the frame/slide juncture at the back of the gun. In the picture it is obvious that the webb of your hand is not fully seated on the grip! The picture next to the brick picture shows your grip in a totally different position! I noted that your thumb is not half way up the slide as in the following picture, and the webb of your hand is properly set below the slide. Your rants reek of a genuinely dishonest review!!!!!

    • Reviews should not be used to throw a temper tantrum because you thought you would not get your free test gun. That is not helpful to anyone! In re-examining the 2 photos previously referred to, the high thumb poition puts your thumb on the middle of the slide. Come on! No one competent enough to write a gun review fires a gun with their thumb resting against the slide like that!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Dave, thanks for the info. I think the gun snob’s review was valuable in that it brought out some of tips and insights (from C9 owners) on shooting the C9.

90. and i know jack lmao my c9 has been great goes bang bang bang bang all the way home

91. I own a c9 and so far I haven’t had no trouble out of it 200 rounds of no jams what so ever I’m poor a can’t afford a glock but my gun shoots better than One I out shot a glock 26 that my brother had

92. Not a bad handgun at all. I bought one the other day and it works well and accurate to boot. Bit heafty but did not buy it for CC!

93. I would of liked to of seen an inbias review. I purchased the C9 and have not fired it yet but any gun that has the sights that far off would have to be a defective firearm and not the standard. I could hit closer to the target than you claimed with no sights at all. Also, I am 6’3″-250 lbs. and have fairly large hands with an exceptionally large thumb and I can not get my thumb within 1/4″+ of the slide while in the firing position which makes your picture and claim absolute BS and weakens every other point you suggested. The firearm is actually very comfortable in my hand and worst case you simply got a pistol with a defective sight alignment. You obviously do not hesitate to make false statements and have relatively little real experience with firearms. It was such a waste of time reading your bias “review” (using “review” is really a stretch in this case) that I had to waste even more time letting you know that only an idiot would not see through your pic and description of the slide and thumb problem. I would strongly suggest buying a Hi-Point firearm before buying any of the writers BS – at least you would have something “solid” (lol).

94. i am looking to get into guns and a friend told me to buy what i can afford first. do you (not the guy who wrote the review, but anybody else) think this would be a good or at least descent gun to get started with?

95. Have had a Hi-point 9mm for 6 months! Great dresser gun! Have a Taurus for a carry, the Hi-point is a bit heavy to carry but I didn’t buy it to carry! Neighbor had one and I liked shooting it so I bought my own!

96. The person who wrote this review is a moron, who obviously knows nothing about firing guns. I have a c9 and it constantly out performs my brother in law’s sig.

97. I just bought one of these yesterday, and I LOVE IT!

98. Hi point is a poor mans gun. But a used 12 gauge for a $100 more for home defense. Plus it a 12 gauge feels better in the rectum any ways 😉 no homo lol

99. Hi point is a poor mans gun. But a used 12 gauge for a $100 more is not bad for home defense. Plus the 12 gauge feels better in the rectum any ways 😉 lol

100. DO YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION FOR AN INEXPENSIVE 9MM THAT WORKS WELL OTHER THAN THE C-9

     THANKS

     STEVE

     • The Kel Tec P11 9mm is a great, reliable subcompact double action pistol. i purchased one about 3 months ago and have since put ~500 rounds of Winchester white box ammo through it with no misfires and no issues.

101. A Hi Point 380 was my 1st gun, & although it’s guaranteed to jam somewhere between 50-100 rounds, I have to say that I’ve found it to be accurate (maybe because of the small caliber & the excess of metal in it’s construction). I know guys with the HP .40 & 9mm, & they also attest to the accuracy, magazine problems & ridiculous bulk of these guns. But they’re affordable, & the 380 (again, made from enough metal to build a small engine) has very little recoil, so it’s fun to shoot…& waste expensive & hard-to-find 380 ammo. Defininitely not recommended for home defense!

102. I don’t know about you guys but I have had several high point firearms and as long as you clean them properly you will never have a problem right now I have a 380 acp and it has never jammed on me and is as accurate as my glock 45 at more than 40 feet

103. I have several pistols. I purchased a Hi-Point C9 to the laughter of my friends, just to try it out for $130 at a gun show. I still have it and have found it to be reliable and accurate. I can tear the bullseye out with 50 rounds from 15 feet without any strays. If I have to shoot it further, I could, but don’t find that necessary for a handgun. I have heard both sides of the Hi-Point arguments, which would tell me there may be some inconsistancies with the guns. They do have a lifetime gaurantee, however and any defects will be fixed or replaced at no charge for life. Although its not my favorite handgun, I enjoy shooting my C9 and have since I purchased it 3 years ago. I have a friend with a Colt 1911 that jams… I do not, however believe that Colt is an unreliable firearm.

     • exactly any gun might jam, just because this brand is cheap heavy and bulky and jams doesn’t mean its a terrible gun. plus if this guys gun jammed that much like he said, then send back!

     • Was this a used or new gun? I just bought one and haven’t shot it yet. I am hoping that I bought something worth the price. I paid $165 at a gun show. Waiting on the IL 72 waiting period.

104. I have a Highpoint 45 and it is fun to shoot. It is a big, heavy gun, but it is accurate and I’ve never had it jam.

     • see some of them do jam and some don’t, also different amo shoots better in different guns.

105. If you will go to Home Depot and get some of the heavy duty nylon rope (blue and white “twisted” preferred) attach it securely to trigger guard of the Hi Point, and after making sure the weapon is fulled loaded, use it as a boat anchor. I’ve found that this is the absolute best way to utilize the Hi Point firearms. It’s a little pricey for a boat anchor, but hey… it makes for a G-R-E-A-T one!

106. As an owner of the full size 40 S&W, it appears that some of the issues are similar and some aren’t. I must say that my 40 is eerie accurate. I say eerie because it is amazing that such a piece of junk can still hit the target at the full length of the range! But in addition to the jamming, the gun tends to randomly eject the magazine. Which can be really funny at the range, no so at home. Like the 9mm, of course it jams. This a signature feature of the Hi-Point and is your guarantee that you are shooting one. Feeding it high grain fuel tends to help and sometimes I have an entire day without a jam. But this is a very rare occurrence and may coincide with solar flare activity. One additional problem that I have with mine is the the ejection pin seems to work it’s way out. It is common practice to pick up the magazine from the floor, use it to push the pin back in, expel the jammed round and continue killing bad guys.

107. I recently purchased two High Point C-9 pistols, One for myself and one for my son. The dealer stated he has sold HUNDREDS of these guns and “Has NEVER had an issue”!! He STRONGLY advised us to leave the guns alone until at least 500 rounds were fired! Well I just HAD to take MINE down and Tweak the Magazine lips and polish the feed ramp like the COPIUS EXPERTS in the on line forums and You Tube all recommend. My Son left his PRISTINE, just as it was shipped in the Box. We went to the range and fired two boxes of PMC Bronze 115 Grs. FMJ through each pistol. I started with the ONLINE EXPERT recommended 5 rounds and my son went with the full 8 rounds. RESULTS? NO DIFFERENCE AT ALL!!! BOTH pistols fired EVERY round.. NO misfires, NO failures to Feed, NO issues at all.. EXCEPT ONE: WE found when racking the slide for the FIRST cartridge .. that it MUST be done SMARTLY…with PURPOSE .. NOT gently .. IT DID hang EVERY time I tried a gentle little “Church Lady” racking of the the slide. IF I racked that first cartridge SMARTLY.. the pistols operated PERFECTLY. SOOOOO consider whether or NOT ALLLLLLLL the MODS are REALLY necessary! Our two Pistols were Numbered sequentially, so came off the assembly line side by side. We could NOT be MORE pleased. EVERY Tale of WOE we have heard simply did NOT take place with us. Our dealer (Gun Pro Shooting Supplies in Springfield, Oregon) sold completely out and had to order more to fill our order. The guns arrived on the day he said they would and as I said have been flawless. I bought a Hogue Handall grip and struggled with it for an HOUR, trimmed it up ONLY to have it bunch up and be UNcomfy and UNnessary.. ALL I got out of that was REALLY sore hands. ALL that to say this: My dealer, an Olympic Pistol Team member, Advised me to LEAVE THE GUN ALONE and just shoot it. I did NOT, My son DID.. the Guns BOTH operated PERFECTLY. Is it Big? Yes it is, it weighs MORE than my Springfield XD 45. Is it UGLY? Well, maybe, Kinda, BUT IT GOES BANG every time! What about Accuracy? Well, we BOTH left our initial experience feeling GOOD about the Pistols AND our shooting. It Pretty much goes where you point. I paid $135.00 each for our pistols and for that amount of money, the weight, the homlieness and all, The Gun just has it ALL over that pretty, pretty, GLOCK or that GORGEOUS Kimber! So, GO ahead FLAME away PURISTS… with the Money I saved.. I can afford Fire extinguishers and COLD Lemon Aide! 🙂

108. I have had no problem with my C9. Another thing. Dont blame the gun for not shooting on point. Blame your own trigger squeeze and shooting technique. The grouping sucked.

109. Hi-Point is a fine gun, like all they need to be tweaked i.e. the magazines, etc JUST like any other gun! I have a PT111 that is consistent… constantly jams every 2nd shot. My Hi-Point 40 is flawless, will shoot 2″ grouping at 40 yards. They are America’s ak47. A cheap great gun. One I will proudly wear on my side. And the no questions asked life long warranty? Which doesn’t matter what generation owner you are, gee, where are the $600-$1000 pistol gun companies at with their warranties…yeah, thought so. Oh, the trigger pull has been corrected hence 2″ grouping at 40yds.

110. well I for one can see why this guy is an “aspiring” gun writer. seems to me he just can’t shooot, only time we ever had trouble with our hipoint 9mm was when my wife was shooting it “limp wristed” at least 400 rounds before we got in a bind for money and sold it regretably. I will be buying more hipoint firearms and will carry them with MADE IN THE USA PRIDE

111. Come visit us at http://www.hipointtalk.net for a bunch of Hi Point owners that have overall had great experiences with our Hi Point weapons. We are unbiased in our opinions, and look at the Hi Point for what it is, an affordable weapon for self defense. We also love to talk about any weapons/topics under the sun.

112. I have a Hi Point C9 and have about 500 rounds through it. I did have about three jams in the first 100 Rounds, 1 in the second 100, and none since. I have three different magazines, after recieving the second two mags, made minor adjustments to bring them into spec, original was fine). I have not had any jams / misfires since, love this gun. Think this reviewer was out to paint a bad picture. At 25 feet my shots are about 3″ low an very slightly left, but I have not trully tried to reset the sites yet. Personally, I like the fact the gun jammed as it taught me how to deal with them. Better to learn how to deal with in a training session…

113. I’ve replied to this before and now that I have had my C9 for exactly one year today I can say it is much more reliable than my brothers S&W and a friends Kimber. But anyone can say anything I suppose. My 55 year old wife who doesn’t really like guns can shoot the 2″ bull out of any target at 30 feet with my C9. I can’t do that! The pictures this supposed ‘reporter’ shows with his hand up around the slide? I have tried to duplicate that high hold many times (I’m 6’0″ and weigh 300 lbs or so) and I just can NOT hold the pistol comfortably or with any semblance of control like that. ??? Maybe his hands are fatter than mine? IDK. My thumb will operate the safety just fine since I don’t need to use the tip of my thumb like he was apparently trying to do. The thumb joint worked just as it should without changing my normal comfortable grip AT ALL! As for the jamming issue? Haha. Yeah, I’ll admit the magazines aren’t ALL adjusted well at first. But you have to be smarter than the gun, or the magazine. All it takes is a few minutes of time and a pair of needle nose pliers (you do take tools to the range don’t you?) I know my friend with the Kimber does and so do I. Tools can mean the difference between shooting or not shooting and going home early no matter which gun you choose to take to the range. Not much can be said about the Hipoints looks. Either you accept them or you don’t but insinuating that the gun is lousy because the thing looks bulky? Come on! And the comment about the weight of the slide and comparing it to guns manufactured a hundred years ago? Once again…Come ON! The metal of necessity a hundred years ago was STEEL or a steel ALLOY. This slide is NOT made of steel or a steel alloy, nor is it intended to be as strong as steel lb for lb therefor it HAS to be bigger and bulkier. So next time compare apples to apples. This slide is CAST not machined as in years gone by.

114. Bottom line made in America, lifetime warranty, feels good in your hand, fun to shoot, and IS accurate. The safety is easy to move (you cant be a baby to use this gun). I keep trying to experience these issues people are talking about with the guns performance and I just cant get the gun to fail. I am a gun lover and have really grown to love this gun. I guess my c-9 is one of a kind lol! I also have a Ruger gp100 357 that is a sweet gun, but i still prefer to go to the range with my hi-point. p.s. I have never had a problem with the grouping of my shots–how sweet is that!! GREAT GUN I feel the c-9 is worth twice what I paid for it.

115. One plus on the side of the HiPoint is when all else fails and you throw it at someone he won’t be able to pick it up and fire at you effectively.

116. Granted I have larger hands than most but I found almost everything written about this to be false. Now first understand I am a huge fan of HK and to me, no other firearms will match up. So when my father bought the Hi Point 9mm for home defense (since the weapon used will be taken by the police and may or may not get it back in a shooting this brings the “use a cheap gun” mentality) I was determined to show him why he shouldn’t have considered buying it. Granted compairing a Hi Point 9mm to a full sized HK USP 45 isn’t a fair fight from the start, I was truely amazed at the preformance of such a cheap gun.
     I ran several comparisons to “test” this pistol to make sure it’s got even the basics for home defence. First I shot a full clip at the target as fast as possible to try and jam it. Not only did it never jam, every round hit chest on the target. Second was accuracy. I was putting rounds on rounds dead center with only a breath in between each trigger pull. Third was actual use accuracy. Two in the heart, one in the head was just as sucessfull as any other test. Then the final test, dirty gun test. Ran 300 rounds through this weapon randomly shooting targets and reloading, never jammed. I was truely amazed since like I said I’m the type “go HK or go home”.
     For the price, you get far more than what you pay for in this pistol. For the record, this pistol was out of the box brand new when I did these tests. No adjustments ever done to it. I would 100% back this for a cheap home/personal defense. Would I take it over an $800 HK, no. If I didn’t have $800 for a pistol the police will just take for a long period of time in the event of having to use it, highly reccommended.

117. I have three Hi-Point handguns the 40, the 9mm and the 380. They have performed very well, and the only problem that I did have is when I used wolf ammunition in my 40, and it jammed quite often. I didn’t have any trouble when I used different ammo, such as cci, federal and others. I know that the wolf ammo, is Russian, made and maybe it might be just a shade longer than the rest I don’t really know but that’s what happened with me. For the money I really like the Hi-Point firearms and would not hesitate to recommend them to anyone.

118. I considered this an honest review until I saw the picture where the authors hands supposedly got ‘pinched’. Young Mr. Shotzberger has much to learn about doing reviews.
     I bought this gun anyway. The dealer told me flat out “it’s a gun for home defense only. It’s too big and heavy to carry concealed.”. He also said the only issues they have seen come through are because of the magazine, not the gun.

119. I bought the C9 and was so pleased with it that I also bought the .40 S&W and the .45 ACP. I will agree that they are butt ugly and feel like a brick in the hand but that’s it. I am old and have arthritic hands but had no problem moving the safety or pulling the trigger. I have heard that they tend to jam before they are broken in, but I have never had that problem. I have also heard that they tend to jam with hollow points, as do many other more expense pistols, but for self defense I use Corbon Pow’R Ball, so I have never had that problem. It’s a lifetime warranty! If you don’t like the way it shoots, send it back until they get it right but first make sure it’s not operator error.

120. I agree that this handgun is not the best in the world, but for you to claim it took skin off the top of your thumb means you are to stupid to fire guns, or that you purposely positioned your hand well above the hand grip.

     The C-9 Is WAY to heavy and its capacitiy is way to low for combat. I am a veteran of 3 war zones, and in my not so humble opinion, you are too stupid to be criticizing guns.

     CathRadan

121. I HAVE RECENTLY PURCHASED A HIGH POINT 45 IN MY OPINION IT IS A GREAT GUN !!!!! I ALWAYS SAID GO GET UR 1911 FOR 1200 DOLLARS ILL GET MY 45 AND WE CAN POINT THEM AT EACH OTHER AND SHOOT ON THE COUNT OF THREE ILL BE WILLING TO BET WE BOTH END UP IN THE SAME PLACE !!!!
     HOW EVER I DO NOT CONDONE TRYING THIS…………..
     GUN DEALERS DOWN THIS GUN ONLY CAUSE YOU CANNOT MARK IT UP OVER 75 TO 100 DOLLARS…………. HOW EVER IF PROPERLY CLEANED AFTER EVER USE IT WILL NOT FAIL…..MINE HAS SHOT FOUR HUNDRED ROUNDS FLAWLESSLY!!!!!!!!
     THANK YOU HIGH POINT ,
     FOR AN AFFORDABLE AND RELIABLE GUN NOT ONLY THIS BUT FOR CREATING MORE JOBS IN!!!!!!!!! AMERICA!!!!! PEOPLE THIS IS THE KEY…….. WILLIAM STEWART

     • I think your caps-lock might be stuck. No need to shout; we’re all nice people here.

     • “MINE HAS SHOT FOUR HUNDRED ROUNDS FLAWLESSLY!!!!!!!!”

       WOW – 400 rounds!!! Somebody call Glock/HK/Springfield/SIG, they have competition coming! [/sarc]

       In all seriousness, save the excitement for when you get 4000 rounds before cleaning!

       • Four hundred rounds is two trips to the range for me. And that’s really just because I pace myself. If I put more ammo in my range bag I would shoot more.

         This is actually something I’ve found hilarious in media accounts of ATF busts and the like. They take somebody in and the report always has some line like “also found in the compound were 2,000 rounds of ammunition.” Then I got into shooting and now when I have the money I routinely buy ammo in cases of 1,000, and it’s not uncommon for me to have between 1,000 and 2,000 rounds. Now I read things like that and think, “that’s it?”

122. I have to disagree with the writer, I bought a hi point 45 as a kitchen gun, it’s not pretty, it’s about the same weight as a ‘normal’ 45 and it functions flawlessly with the fmj’s I use, even after rapid fire, with different shooters. It goes bang whenever I use it and on POA!

123. got a 9 mm c9 jamed up 3 times so far only had around 90 to 120 rounds fired thru it.. nice gun other wise smooth as hell

124. I recently purchased a Hi-Point 9 MM. I Love it. The first time I shot it, I put 100 round down range. I was at 25 feet, was using carry conceal target. all 5`s mostly in head . I counted all the holes, Guess what? 100 holes. You must have a lemon or you were throwing the brick or maybe you just cant shoot. This is a great gun for the price.

125. I forgot to mention that I purchased the 9mm carbine and the .40 S&W carbine as well. I love them. The reviewer should try one, he might have better luck. I’ve pretty much determined to get one in .45 ACP as well. Individual results may vary.

126. I would be SOOO embarrased to admit I own a Hi point handgun… And even MORE embarrased to be seen with one in public, like the shooting range….100% JUNK!!!!

     • my god what a dumb ass, why would you take the time to comment other than to try to get under someones skin???? Make damn sure you tell everyone you ever come in contact with not to buy highpoints it will keep the price down for those of us that actually know how to maintain, and shoot firearms! Not to mention those of us who actually like keeping jobs in America!!!!

127. I am a firearms instructor and have had many students come through my class with new Hi-Point firearms that they just purchased at a gun show for $129. I have to say that everyone of them failed and most were catastrophic failures. Two of the slides actually broke off of the frame. Hi-Point did honor their warranty and replace the guns, I just wish that they would stand behind their gun when it is being fired. Save your money and buy a reliable gun that will work when you need it.

     • Pics of those catastrophic failures? I’m curious.

       • I wish I did have pictures of them but at the time it happen I did not find it appropriate to take a picture. These people just spent their hard earned money on a gun and my class. The last thing they needed was me to take picture. I just let them use one of my Glocks, Sigs, or FNs to finish the class.

     • horse hockey!!!!!! i have purchased 4 c9 hi-points, combined we have put more than 2000 rounds through them and not one single jam, not one single failure of any kind, one of us is lying and i know for sure its not me. there is no possible way that every single hi-point that has come through your class has failed!

       • anyone else want to know joes last name and where he “operates” his “firearms training”???? so you never make the mistake of sending a loved one… or anyone else to this idiotic lying jackass to try to learn anything?? someone call the better business people lol…… if you can find out who he actually is

         • notice Joe has yet to reply….maybe its a firearms class for schoolchildren between the ages of 8-12 and they don’t really know how to even shoot a gun…or maybe Joe loaded the bullets backwards for some mysterious reason in there guns???

128. Again, all I can say is that I never had a problem with any of my Hi-Points. Were they using hand loads? It seem every time I read about a catastrophic failures in hand guns or rifles, it usually involves a hand loads and often in top of the line models as that makes more news than cheap guns blowing up.

129. i will say that i have shot a hi point. i don’t know what it was it was a friends. i HATED IT!! but only because it didn’t feel right in my hands. to me the two most important rules for a gun. 1, when you pull the trigger it goes bang. for about 7,000 to 10,000 rounds of DIFFERENT ammo and 2. that it feels good. price doesn’t matter as long the rule’s 1 and 2 are met. just because you spent $2,000 on your gun does not make it better than a Springfield XD or a Glock.

130. I have personally owned a hi point, biggest peice of shit ive ever seen, jams misfires etc,.and I shot at a vulture ten feet away and missed, this gun would get u killed if you pulled it BC.u couldnt hit water from a boat with it and save your comments BC I can hit an empty shotgun shell from 150 feet witb my ruger sr9, save the $150 and put it towards a down payment on a real gun,.ruger springfield, glock, s&w, etc…u can get a s&w sigma 9, 40 or 45 shipped for $309 from budsgunshop.com, id rather spend the etra $150 BC then I could put my life on it,.

     • MY MY MY with ALL that Expertise .,.. WHY OH WHY OH WHY did you purchase that High Point in the first place. Ya REALLY gotta love ’em… Yep. Just GOTTA LOVE ’em. LIVING example of a NEED to Issue an IQ test BEFORE some people reproduce!!!!

     • to arshooter7659
       you better save your money for your lawyer,fines and trying to stay out of jail its illegal to shoot a vulture and you are one of the biggest pieces of i#4^%* i hope they hang you by your balls you are what the anti gun people try to portray as why are guns should be taken away

131. This is my un-biased look at the HiPoint 9mm. I say that as a person who has never owned a handgun and has only fired a few of them so please consider that as you read my results. I just purchased it a Turners in Pasadena. The rounds I bought to test it were Winchester 115 Grain FMJ. The target was the NRA Official 25 YD. Slow fire Pistol Target. The entire size of each paper target is roughly 10 inches by 12 inches. Seeing some of these negative reviews about this gun made me somewhat skeptical about my purchase so I was anxious to check this gun out ASAP. Also note all my test were made standing freely holding the gun with both hands arms extended shooting at two targets for each test. My first two tests were at 10 feet in distance. To my surprise all 16 rounds were within the circles on the target. Nine of those were in the black on the target. I kept moving the targets further away in increments of about 10 feet. I hit the paper every time on all test except on my final test. For my final test I moved the target to 50 feet. I hit the paper on both test targets 4 out of 8 times. I’m not a big hand gun fan but I will say this, this gun is good enough for me and I can vouch to it’s accuracy. As far as jams, not one. They say it is guaranteed for life which is a big plus to me. I hope I never have to use this gun in a life threatening situation but if I ever did I can say this, at close range the HiPoint 9mm I bought is pretty darn consistent. Hope this helps.

132. Hi bought my c-9 9months ago. I had read all the reviews and decided it was a mixed bag and I would take my chances. I have to admit I was pretty happy with it. The gun seemed to like most of the ammo I was using and was accurate enough at 25-30 feet. Now I’m not the most active of shooters but after about 500 rounds I started having trouble with lite strikes not setting off the primer. After calling tech support they sent me a new firing pin assymbly in 2 days. Wow great customer service. I broke the gun down which was not hard. Put in the new parts and it worked fine again. After about 100 rounds. I was firing Ermco, LLC 147 grain 9mm luger and the damn thing blew up in my hand. I kid you not ! The slide stayed on but the front part where the serial # is hanging by one small piece of plastic. The bullet is lodged about a half inch from the end of the barell. I dont know if it was the gun or the ammo that was at fault but I’m definately not happy about it.

     • Life time guarantee. Did you send it back and ask for a new one? After all, it might of been the ammo.

133. Jams?

     FLAME DELETED

134. Called and they said send it in. The tech said oh we’ll replace the barrell and send it back. Waiting to see what they say when they actually see it.

     • Got my c-9 back. It took about two weeks but hadnt got to fire it till the other day. Didnt have any problems and they sent a spare mag back with it. Firing Winchester White box now. I believe my problems were caused by poor quality ammo.

135. I own the High Point 9mm, and the the 9mm carbine. I have other guns that I treat like my babies but these guns I throw into my truck, and purposely try to break them. I am very impressed with my high points, I have never cleaned them and they look like crap, but fire every time. Almost every time:) I do not recommend you use this as your concealed weapon because it is very heavy but to keep near the bed or in the truck it’s perfect. I recommend the Ruger SR9C, It’s as accurate as a rifle and it has awesome safety features.

136. We bought a C9, the 380 and a 45 to try out for ourselves before we offered them for sale to our customers. The 45 did perform very well considering the price of the gun. The 380 did well but the C9 had multiple failure to feeds. After a ton, and I mean a ton of research, I found that everyone had a suggestion on how to ”Fix” the issue with the FTF on the C9. This past weekend we took the C9 back to the range and had 0 issues with cycling. I found that loading the mag to capacity and letting it sit for a couple of weeks made all of the difference in the world. I only use the couple of weeks measurement because that was the time period between range trips. For people who rant on the Hi Point line, remember, these are Glocks or Springfields. Youre getting a low cost gun that requires a little love. Would I carry this as a defense weapon. No. Hi Point does offer a lifetime transferrable warranty and backs their product. To wrap this up, if you dont want to spend a ton on a gun and you dont mind tinkering a little, you may enjoy the C9. Hope this helps. Have a great day.

     • What was the ftf fix? Simply loading the magazine to full capacity for a few weeks? Also I agree with your assessment of the HiPoint. It’s actually for me a pretty good gun for the price.

       • Jack,

         I found that loading the mags to full capacity and letting them sit for a couple of weeks corrected the ftf issue. I had read that there was an issue with the mag spring tension and this would help. My personal C9 and a friends C9 both experienced the ftf issue due to the nose of the round facing straight instead of slightly tilted up. Since the preload with the mags, neither of our guns have had any further problems. I wont swear that this is the fix but it did correct ours. Many other articles I read also said the feed lips need to be adjusted. I tried this on sevearl mags with no solid results. Hope this helps.

137. I have over a 1200 rounds though my C-9. No problems,. My boss has an older version, also, without any problems. Not the prettiest but has been very reliable, and it’s AMERICAN made.

138. I just got one of these guns and its is great i don’t what the hell you are talking about how did you not hit the target, you holding the gun upside down?

     • I hear you Jake. After shooting mine I thought the same thing, how could these people be missing the target at such a close range,

139. I just got my hi point 9mm c9 pistol yesterday fired it for the first time today in the 50 rounds I put through it in about 10 min I was pretty impresed no issues here no idea what that guys problem was probly just a jackass I would buy another any time

     • You pretty much SAY it all in your last sentence. Interesting, an “Aspiring Gun Writer” who doesn’t know how to be NON-BIASED!!! Now THAT’s an opinion NOT toooooo many are going to seek! Keep SHOOTING, George, your 5000th round will be just as UNeventful as those first 50 you’ve fired. MY C-9 and my Son’s CONTINUE to be problem free. The ONLY difficulty we have encountered with them are the OPINIONS of the EXPERTS and the PURISTS! Gotta LOVE ’em! Yep Gotta LOVE ’em!!!

     • I dont know who FLAME DELETED was holding the gun in the picture, but if hold any auto pistol with the slide jammed into your hand like that the slide will hit the top of your hand ya dipshit……get some training on firearms and then do a review!! all of my hipoints work perfect all the time, just because they are cheap to buy doesnt mean they dont work…unless you have no skills!!

140. I purchased two C-9 pistols, One for myself and one for my son. The dealer stated he has sold HUNDREDS of these guns and “Has NEVER had an issue”!! He STRONGLY advised to leave the gun alone until at least 500 rounds were fired! Well I just HAD to take MINE down and Tweak the Magazine lips and polish the feed ramp like the COPIUS EXPERTS on line recommend. My Son..left his PRISTINE as it was in the Box. We went to the range and fired two boxes of PMC Bronze 115 Grs. FMJ through each pistol. I started with the ONLINE EXPERT recommended 5 rounds and my son went with the full 8 rounds. RESULTS? NO DIFFERENCE AT ALL!!! BOTH pistols fired EVERY round.. NO misfires, NO failure to Feed, NO Failure to eject, NO issues at all.. EXCEPT ONE: WE found when racking the slide for the FIRST cartridge .. that it MUST be done SMARTLY…with PURPOSE .. NOT gently .. IT DID hang EVERY time I tried a gentle little “Church Lady” racking of the the slide. IF I racked that first cartridge SMARTLY.. the pistols operated PERFECTLY. SOOOOO consider whether or NOT ALLLLLLLL the suggested MODS are REALLY necessary! Our two Pistols were Numbered sequentially, so came off the assembly line side by side. We could NOT be MORE pleased. EVERY Tale of WOE we have heard simply did NOT take place with us. Our dealer (Gun Pro Shooting Supplies in Springfield, Oregon) sold completely out and had to order more to fill our order. The guns arrived on the day he said they would and as I said have been flawless. I bought a Hogue Handall grip and struggled with it for an HOUR, trimmed it up ONLY to have it bunch up and be UNcomfy and UNnessary.. ALL I got out of that was REALLY sore hands. ALL that to say this: My dealer, an Olympic Pistol Team member, Advised me to LEAVE THE GUN ALONE and just shoot it. I did NOT, My son DID.. the Guns BOTH operated PERFECTLY… Big.. Yes.. weighs MORE than my Springfield XD 45. UGLY… maybe, Kinda, BUT GOES BANG every time and Ohhhh Accuracy…. well we BOTH left our initial experience feeling GOOD about the Pistols AND our shooting… Pretty much goes where you point I paid $135.00 each for our pistols … and for that.. the weight, the homlieness and all have it ALL over that pretty, pretty, GLOCK or that GORGEOUS Kimber … GO ahead FLAME away PURISTS… with the Money I saved.. I can afford Fire extinguishers and COLD Lemon Aide

141. Yeah doc, and you’d probably buy the fire extinguisher for really cheap too, only to find out that the one time you need it to save your life, you pull the trigger and nothing happens.

     Or as you would probably paraphrase. I BUY a pretty, pretty GLOCK because it HAS to go BOOM EVERY TIME! You can HAVE your cheap Hi Point. I hope YOU never stake your LIFE on its RELIABILITY. Or maybe you’ll get lucky and the bad guy will have a hi point too, and neither of you will score a hit. Hope you’re good with your fists.

     • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4qgFsAlGSs

     • I use a High Velocity item YOU appear to have never heard of: an IQ. Gotta Love ’em,, Just GOTTA love ’em. Living PROOF that God DOES have a sense of Humor! Tick Glock, Tick Glock, Tick Glock.

     • I use a High Velocity item YOU appear to have never heard of, Glock Purist: an IQ. Gotta Love ‘em,, Just GOTTA love ‘em. Living PROOF that God DOES have a sense of Humor! Tick Glock, Tick Glock, Tick Glock.

142. My hi-point c9 fires flawlessly, you just have to practice with it. The only thing that is true about what his column said, the slide really does take skin off my thumb knuckle.

143. I have a .45 hi point. i have fired round after round and never a hangup or any other problem. sights are right on and I use it as my carry gun. Yeah it’s heavy but I like a heavy firearm. I used to carry a s&w model 13-3 k frame as my everyday carry and sometimes still do in a shoulder holster but the hi point has been with me more often lately. It’s big heavy and I think kinda pretty I love mine…..

     • indeed, i carry my 380 CCw, i know the gun can and will kill what i point it at. If you can take 8 hollow point 380s and live you must be super man lol

144. Do not trust this review! The C9 is a very good gun. It is cheap and it is reliable. Break it in with a few rounds like any other gun should be and it will work flawlessly.

     It is well built and basic. Small things like the slide lock are not included on this gun so when the magazine is empty you must drop the mag and rack it without a mag or with a loaded clip, but not an empty mag to release the slide (dry or reload).

     The gun fires very well. The pictures showing the slide hitting the guys hand is because he doesn’t know how to hold a gun or he was making it look bad on purpose. (Gun Nuts)

     If you are looking at purchasing a hi-point because it is priced cheap then you should buy one! After the break in period of 100-200 rounds (remember to load at least one less round per mag during the break in of all magazine fed guns) your gun will never fail. Keep it clean, keep it lubricated and it will be your new friend.

     Buying new has a life time warranty. I hear hi-point takes care of everything quickly as well, but I have never had to call them so I wouldn’t know.

     Works great. Loads of fun and a great entry firearm. Good for basic defense but should not be carried in condition one because of only having 1 safety mechanism in the gun (trigger lock).

     Single stack magazines only hold 8 rounds, but 10 round magazines are available if you look for them online. (C9 Magazine @ google shopping)

     Hope you enjoy your new hi-point!

     • yeah this guy is full of sh*t, Hes prob jacking off on his glock right now. I love his target that he missed totally. So is he Nearsighted, or shooting at 387 ft targets? LOL. After a few shots you cant see where your hitting, just put the gun down because your to stupid to shoot one.

145. wow you must just be bad ass with hand guns. my hi-point 380 jammed 3 times in 4 years cause of junk target load ammo and is dead accurate. So maybe the problem is behind the gun?

     • YEP! 99.999999% of the time it IS the idiot HOLDING the weapon. Almost makes ya think about Gun Control, eh? Maybe an IQ test to purchase? Of Course The PURISTS are waaaaay above anything like an IQ 🙂

146. I am still trying to get my hipoint to jam!! i have a .45, a 9mm. and they work flawlessly, dont know what some of these people are complaining about, When i bought my first Glock right after they first came out everybody thought that was the ugly gun, How can you go wrong when you buy American and get a good deal at the same time, and get a lifetime no nonsense warrenty also….. BUY AMERICAN THE JOB YOU SAVE COULD BE YOUR OWN!!

147. Benjamin,

     All bs aside. If you truly hate this gun, I would be more than happy to take it off of your hands. It sucks that you you are catching such a beating over this article. You will never be able to please everyone so dont try. I have had similar problems to those that you reported but I still like the C9. I also did some research and found possible fixes for those issues that worked for me. I have yet to see any product line that NEVER had a problem at least once. Whats pissing people off so much about your write up is the lack of just the basics. Your “opinion” and your personal feelings give off a vendetta type feel to your article, as if Hi Point did you wrong somehow. I look forward to your response to my comment. And yes, Im serious. Send me your C9 so your not stuck with it.

148. Wait a second, I want the C9 too! Can we bid on it?

149. I have had my C-9 for 5+ years and have one missfire and that was a ammo problem (a bad primer). I took a two day intensive training course using the Hi Point against every brand thinkable and twenty other people, I scored second highest in the class,out done only by my wife and her $700.00 sig . Ihave fired thousands of rounds out of this little beater and though it s no sig I still like it;Enough said.

     • Nobody has mentioned the “slide in forehead” issue? Ya know…when that giant mass of Zymak-3 decides to detach itself from the gun body and fly back at your face and mimic the classic “Sin City” reverse head shot? I mean, I understand some people with nothing to lose up there seeing it as a minor drawback but I’d like my gun to only disassemble itself when I want it to do so.

       Also…a 9 lb trigger pull is the stuff of legends! That’ll give you a workout for your mousing finger so you can respond to more posts in CAPSLOCK with less fatigue.

       • get real!! anyone who has taken one of these apart knows that once the pin is pulled the slide has to be pulled up and back to even get it off, no chance one of these flies off into someones head, and it sounds like some of you need to put on your big girl panties if you cannot handle the pull on this trigger!

150. I own a bunch of rifles and plan on buying a few handguns. I have seen folks bash hi-point (handguns mostly) so I thought I would give one a try. About 1 hour ago I picked up the C9. I took it straight fom the range. I wanted to test right out of the box using Blazer ammo. 3 boxes of cheap blazer ammo later ZERO jams, ZERO problems. I hit the target everytime. The groupings were great at short range (10 yards or less) and I did pretty good at 25 yards (hit the target kill zone everytime). Now I am not the best shot in the world, and this was the first time I have every shot a hi-point, and the handgun was right out of the box. Something about the review just doesn’t seem right. Maybe it’s too early, but right now I am a Hi-point fan. For $155 you really can’t go wrong. Your could not hit the target at 3 yards? Really? Were your eyes open?

     • Your are very correct Sir, when i bought my first hipoint i went stright to the range just like you, and shot clip after clip and was just waiting for bad news….but not only did it run well with no jams at all, but with one simple adjustment of the rather good factory sites, i managed pretty good groups at 15 yards, however im not retarded like the unskilled and untrained writer of the review…..i would recomend that Mr. Shotsberger do a stint in the military (if he hs the balls), possibly Army or Marine Infantry to hone his skills a little (because he has none at this point) before he writes any more reviews……

151. Don’t you think if the gun slide flies off or blows up, they
     probably wouldn’t be selling them anymore….or the company would
     be sued and plastered all over the news. And don’t you think
     everyone would know about it. To say I simply sent the gun back and
     the said they’d fix it, after it blew up in my face….thats just
     stupid.

152. I bought my C9 a couple years ago and I can’t say enough good
     things about it. It is more accurate that my Marine buddy’s Beretta
     92F and my self proclaimed gun know it all buddy’s Springfield. It
     even survived a tumble down a slippery, icy mountainside (with me
     attached to it!). It was muddy and scratched (me too) but after
     cleaning, it was still right on target without any adjustments. If
     you look closely to the reviewer’s rear sight (brick picture), he
     has it cranked down far too low. Apparently he does not know about
     sight adjustment and did not care to read the handy instructions
     provided by Hi-Point. He missed at 3 yards because he was aiming
     nowhere near the target. I will assume that he did not adjust
     left/right either. That being said, for around 150 bucks, what
     other gun has a fully adjustable rear sight? Final word on the C9:
     Clean, lube, fire 100 rounds, repeat!

153. I got one and i can not say it is a bad gun it is the best one i have, I put over 1000 rounds and not had a problem with it. I just thank it is up to you. I got mine for $137 not bad for what you get.

154. I’ve got an older c-9 have ran Hundreds! of rounds through it without fail although no +P. And without scrubbing clean, just blowing dust out. I naturally do not have a high hand grip so I never had the issue since my first pistol a 40 s&w bit me good. I also do not have any problem working the safety without coming off target or moving my finger off the trigger. I also do not have a ghost sight. Paid 100 for it used, dropped scratched and ugly. It kicks ass and I have a decent natural point of aim to about 15 yards I could clip your brain housing group. I do not like the magazines though, no problems but i prefer a larger cap mag, and something easier to load, still a lot of tension on the spring. Anyone know if they are interchangable with the hi pt 9mm rifle? email me knoxvill91 @ gmail or yahoo if you know. Thank you, Practice makes perfect!

155. Well after reading over everything I feel I do need to say a few things… I have owned a c9 for about 6 mo now, n shot many others. They all have been good shooting n functioning pistols, with almost no question that they’ll go BOOM when you pull the bang switch!! Only two pistols I shot ever had a problem, n this is out of 30 or more different ones… The funny part is they had IDENTICAL problems, several thousand SN apart… Now the reason I feel I needed to comment on this, is because they were showing EXACTLY the same problems the author was having!!! But I am in no way defending him, quite the opposite… Both guns malfunctioned due to USER ERROR!!! NOT THE GUN!!! They had many FTF FTE failure to return to battery, only to jump to full battery a second later, and many feed jams with a live round almost stove piping… The cause of this mayhem for BOTH pistols was a simple spring!!! The firing pin secondary spring to be exact. If you look in the owners manual at the parts diagram it shows only a single spring, not dual. It leaves out the short secondary spring. After about 1000 rounds both owners took the gun apart, cleaned it, n reassembled it.. But due to not ever owing or working on one before, they used the parts diagram for reassembly, leaving out the second spring thinking it was a mistake… Now, after we took them apart again n I seen the spring missing on both guns, we put them back together with BOTH springs… Guess what happened???…. Both guns, 1,500 rounds for each gun, went to the range, n after a day of shooting with a good size pile of brass around us… 0 MALFUNCTIONS!!!! Not even a hiccup!!! Now I can’t say for sure that’s what happened here, but that’s the only way I’ve ever personally seen all of these problems at once… Any gun can malfunction, more so till there broke in, from the cheapest high point to the most expensive kimbers n Dan wessons… I just hope this might help someone later if they come across it..

     • That’s why I never take mine apart and clean them and they still work flawlessly:) It seems that I recall that HI-Point doesn’t recommend taking their guns apart anyway, but thanks for the tip in case I ever do.

       • I have watched take down/cleaning videos on hi points and they always show both springs in the striker pin. They emphsize making sure you put them both back together correctly. Doesn’t seem too difficult as they show it…cal…

156. Funny I have a Hi-Point 40 S&WJCP, hundreds of rounds through it, from cheap Tula ammo all the way to Hornady critical defense, not one jam and from about 30 feet away I can put 10 rounds in a 1″ grouping…but then again it may be that I can actually shoot.

157. I am more of a rifle guy so i am not much into the handguns…but my wife wants a 9mm for her first gun, is this a good choice?

158. I can’t believe no one has called you out for your “ouch” picture.
     I have a (very reliable) C9 exactly like this one and my hand is quite a bit beefier than yours. I have never had the slide bite me, neither has my wife, or my 6’4″ 400lb. friend who’s also used my Hi-Point.
     The only way to duplicate this photo is to actually hold onto the slide with the web of your thumb held behind and 1/2″ above the back of the grip.

     Shame on you for a sloppy, uninformed, dishonest and completely biased, hack job.
     No, the word “review” does not belong here.

     • Could NOT agree more, Mr Bob! Review? NOT!!!

159. I found the review funny. I liked the snark. Accuracy left something to be desired, but funny no less. I can shoot and shoot accurately. I was a teen wiz in the 80’s with anything you gave me. I combat shot, muzzle loaded, what ever. OK, I wasn’t so great at trap. My main is the 1911. It has jammed. User error. I have a HP for the glovebox. I love its looks and functionality. I did experience jams the 1st 50, but not that many. None now. It is accurate. Get what you pay for and better CS than others. For HD, I am a martial arts instructor, wasting a good piece of lead on a dumbass breaking into my home is too nice. I have a nice blade that will cut off your gun hand before you can even fire. Maybe they will let me keep their fancy gun and hand as a trophy, the C9 is in my “off” hand just in case. I am ambidextrous. CCW, not a chance. Realiable and accurate, no hesitation as a back up.

160. Total BS review. Im a small arms expert and Infantry veteran with 30 years experience with weapons off all sorts including belt-feds, rocket launchers and all sorts of small arms. The Hi-point is based on proven technology going way back to the 1920s, there is nothing unusual or “new” about the C9s operating principals, The only thing new is the materials used and those date back to the 1970s, totally proven materials. The Hi-points all use the “blow-back” operating principal ususally seen in small caliber autos and older submachineguns. This principal requires the use of a massive slide or bolt, being held held into battery by a fairly weak spring. The advantage to this system is very low cost and very high production volumes. The downside is a bulky slide, thats about it. The system is very strong and very safe. Blowback pistols all use a solid-mounted barrel that gives very good accuracy. As far as feeding reliability goes, the only weakness I have found with the C9 is that the magazines tend to be a little cheaply build around the feed lips. This is not so with the .40 and the .45 models I have seen. From what I know and this applies to all firearms, there will be a break-in period on new guns that can last a few hundred rounds or so. If you have any problems after a few hundred rounds, send that weaopn back to the factory. I dont own a Hi-point and would never own one, I have alot “nicer” things I can go to when its time to do some shooting. Is the Hi-point a “nice gun”?.. HELL NO! (nasty).. is the Hi-point a functional WEAPON?.. yeah, its pretty functional. As long as you dont have your hands on some lemon that came off the line and its working well, it should cycle about like anything else out there…oh, and by the way, alot of dealers HATE Hi-points because they dont make any money off of them and they can get the job done if need be, this cuts into the sales of Sigs and HKs that they love to sell to women who never end up shooting them. The Hi-piont (once I checked it out to make sure its working properly) is something that I would give to my mom or maybe a girlfriend who had no interest in guns at all who may need somthing in an emergency. But then again, it would be a good “stash” gun to keep under a truck seat and forget about or keep in a takle box.. Hi-points can take alot of abuse and neglect too, you can do bad things to a Hi-point and they tend to survive. Now that I think about it, that .45 they make.. its the best of the bunch and for the price, you really cant beat it for the price. I may actually get one.. hahahha

161. totally agree tom..this was an extremely bias review..the author is trying to be the Erma Bombeck of pistols…trying way to hard to be clever than give an honest review where he actually did his home work..there are plenty of solutions to help make the hi point a better firing weapon on youtube..there’s even info on what type of clip you can buy to replace the one that comes with the gun if it starts misfiring..the thing about hi point that is so great is their warrentys being lifetime..so if it breaks they fix it..i don’t see the problem..customers service is supposed to be next to non also..so if i was here to get a proper review of the little 9mm that could ..i would definitely pass on this one..

162. I have a cap gun from when I was but a wee little wonker, 55+ years ago. Maybe that could be something the author of the review might actually be able to evaluate accurately. In reality he really needs to go back to the “corporate ladder”, and stay away from slanderous reviews. Or he could stick to reviewing $2500.00 + guns and his corporate buddies who don’t know squat about guns can go OoooooH AhhhhhhH when they read his reviews.

163. First off this was an awful review. I dont own a Hi-point and im not here to defend them. I am however an avid shooter and know how to sight-in a weapon. It is apparent that you sir do not. I have helped sight-in a few c9’s with great success(maybe because i know which way to move the rear sight). I can hardly accept a review on a weapon from a novice who doesnt know how to adjust a sight properly. The Hi-point may be the shit brick you discribe but i cant take any of the review seriously after such newbie mistakes!

164. Can someone please tell me if this bozo is gone for good?

165. I own a .380 Hi-Point, C9, and .45 ACP all have had several hundred rounds put through them and I have never had an issue once I adjusted the clips. The key to my success is cleaning and oiling my hand guns I have shot everything from Glocks to Bersa even an old Nagant Pistol and I find Hi-Points to be just as reliable and they have a better warranty and anybody in the business. I really enjoyed your review reading through it I could tell that you would live up to what I expected somebody who doesn’t like Hi-Point. They are not fancy they are bulky and they are heavy but I have never had issues like you described. Question 1 did you clean and properly oil the C9 prior to testing? Question 2 did you bother trying to adjust the clip? Question 3 did you try different ammo?

166. Update after firing several hundred more rounds through my Hi Point 9mm:

     Put my el cheapo laser bore sight on it and tweaked the ghost ring sight; 11 out of 14 in the kill zone from 50 feet (other shots were shoulder & two misses), not bad for a geezer with shaky hands.

     This gun cycles much better after some wear. One thing I have noticed about it that everyone should know, is that it is a bit top heavy compared to more expensve guns. Which means that unless one is aware and makes an effort to compensate, new shooters especially will tend to put a lot of rounds in the dirt (maybe Mr. Shotzberger’s problem?).

     But then, all guns are different, aren’t they? A friend has a Walther PPK and the first time I fired it I put one between the eyes at 40 yards, not because it is a better gun than the Hi Point, but because it fit my stubby hand a little better. For stopping power, I’d still take the Hi Point any day and as long as it puts them on target from 50 feet, well, that’s what a handgun is for, isn’t it?

     As far as the reviewer,Mr. Shotzberger? Well, he must be the world’s worst shot if he can’t hit a target from 9 feet with a handgun, adjusted or not. Think about it for a moment; at 9 feet for a hand gun to be off about a foot, means what?

167. I wonder if this review was the staging for Clint Eastwood’s “Empty Chair” monologue of last week?

     Saturday I took the newest member of our collection to the range to get use to it and sight it in.

     I had taken the paint off the loading ramp and polished it before heading to the range. I did not find any plastic parts and reassembly was easy; it went bang when i pulled the trigger.

     AT THE RANGE:

     I loaded three rounds into the magazine; did not do any “tune-up” of the magazine, and proceeded to fire. Yes, it is a long pull before it finally goes bang. However, looking at the target, which was 15 feet away, I had shot low and to the right. Using the included tool I adjusted the sight to raise the elevation and fired another round.

     The point of impact moved one inch! I then proceeded to turn the adjustment screw five full turns and fired again. This time the point of impact was almost at three o’clock and still to the right. I then adjusted the windage two full turns and fire the third round and got a hit just to the left of the target area and still low.

     Reloaded three more rounds and shot one at a time making the adjustments until i was in the target area. I then loaded eight rounds and shot at a moderate rate and hit a three to four inch pattern.

     I have small hands and the while the grip was okay the trigger pull does need some work. I’ve read that HiPoint will adjust the trigger so I plan on sending it in for a trigger adjustment.

     I had no FTFs or FTEs using Independence 115 grain ammunition. In total I shot 40 rounds without an issue.I had to stop shooting the C9 because my wife wanted her lane time with her S&W 22a.

     For the price I find it well worth the money and look forward to taking it out again next week even if it does not have the look that is suppose to be the look.

168. First off, and I hope you all understand this is just my opinion, I’m a Glock Lover and I utilize a Glock for my work. I started using Glocks a decade ago and initially I did not like the large grip, because my hands are relatively small. But the more I fired Glocks, I adapted and grew to love them. Now I own several Glocks (all 9mm). Having said this, I became interested in owning several low-cost reliable guns that I could preposition in places as ‘back-ups.’ Doing online research and talking to other gun owners, I became excited about the Hi Point C9. Then I read this unfavorable review and my excitement was dashed. But I too, as I read the review and watched Benjamin’s video, grew doubtful of the writer’s shooting training & ability. I’m glad I continued on reading all of these comments. Seems many others also noticed and questioned the weak slide racking, poor grip technique, lack of understanding of how slide operated pistols malfunctions can occur from “weak wrist/arm” tension (causing the slide not to fully travel). Oh even my lovely Glock initially bit my hands due to my poor grip. All my initial Glock malfunctions were caused by MY poor grip or ‘limp wrist/arms” too. Once I correctly learned proper usage of semi-autos, I’ve never had a “self-induced” malfunction again. Bottomline, I still decided to buy one C9 in spite of this review, mostly based on everyone’s comments here and my previous research. The very day I got my C9 I went to the range for a long, fun shoot. With ten boxes of 9mm (some Winchesters, PMCs, and Federals), I shot all these rounds on my first day of ownship. I did use the suggestion to not load the first several mags full. After the first five partial mags, I then used full ones until I ran out of ammo. Correct, the C9 it is NOT a Glock, but it is accurate and most importantly . . . ALL 500 Rounds fired true!! No malfunctions! Next week I’m going to buy my second C9! Glock is still my first love, but it looks like the Hi Point is a lovely mistress! (mistress = my attempt at snarking . . . oh and I must admit I did laugh at the picture of the ‘brick’).

169. This isn’t a review, it is a “Hit Piece” on a gun you just don’t like.

     I have owned 5 different Hi-points and they are great guns. I bought a new 9mm compensated and a new .40 and both functioned flawlessly.

     I bought a used 9mm carbine and it functions flawlessly.

     I then bought an extremely well used 9mm compact (Finish chipped and rear sight broke off, and it was rusty from water exposure) After cleaning this gun fired flawlessly.

     Last of all the only Hi-Point I had problems with was one of the first models which had a chrome plated slide. The gun jammed when I fired it and I saw it had a broken extractor. Hi-Point would have repaired it for free under their no questions asked lifetime warranty, but I got in a bind and sold it for double what I paid for it.

170. Jeez, hi-point owners are more fanatical than Glock fanboys. Lets think for a second: if there are Hi-Point owners claiming they work really, really well (not even touching the accuracy claims, pistols are pretty subjective in that sense, most of us cannot shoot within the mechanical accuracy of the handgun in any case), and other Hi-Point owners claiming they don’t work at all, it COULD POSSIBLY BE HYPOTHESIZED that quality control has, at some point, been an issue for Hi-Point. And to the few claiming the reviewer *wanted* the gun to fail…I call BS. Reading the comments regarding the test being a sham just seem childish and conspiracy theory-esque, we’re all grown-ups here and I highly doubt anyone taking the time to actually review the gun is going to be petty and put his credibility on the line by purposefully messing it up.
     And the humor is HUMOR, not ‘snarky remarks.’ People compare Glocks to bricks all the time, the only people who get butt-hurt about it is the occasional glock fan boy. Which leads me to believe that maybe, just maybe, there might be a few Hi-Point fanboys here who would get upset even if you wrote a dry and humorless academic-grade research paper on the pistol.
     It is a $150 gun. Yes, perhaps this is a very good bargain. But given this review and the claims of others it seems that at least some of the pistols have quite a few issues. Why play QC russian roulette? Soviet Tokarev TT33s don’t cost a whole lot more, and the reliability and durability of those is unquestionable, and, mechanically speaking, they should have roughly the same level of accuracy.
     Sigh.
     Incoherent argument off.
     What I’m trying to say is that it just seems rude to hurl insults against a writer who wrote up a review on a gun you personally like. I read this review with an open mind, because I’ve been wondering about Hi-Points and *WANTED* them to do well in the review. But they didn’t, so it would seem. And reading the review I didn’t feel like it was unfair or rigged. I laughed at the Brick picture. I would have also laughed at a brick picture with a glock or ruger replacing the HP, despite being a ruger fan. And while I can’t say with 100% certainty that the shooting wasn’t operator error, I just don’t think it could be to that degree. Nobody shoots that bad, certainly not someone with shooting experience. And since there’s nothing to indicate that he purposefully cranked the sites before shooting, it came out of the box like that. Regardless of that fact that it can maybe be adjusted to get near back on target, guns still shouldn’t be that off out of the box. To those claiming that its just op-error, are you claiming that three different writers/shooters are all incapable of properly sighting-in a pistol? Thats a pretty serious and offensive accusation.

     WHATEVER
     ANYWAYS
     10MM AUTO, OUT!

171. I read the part where he couldn’t hit the paper and just started laughing. Keep your day job “aspiring gun reviewer” 😉

172. This is obviously a biased report. I can land all my shots an a a 1’by1′ target at 25 yards let alone 9 feet away. The fact you sighted it in long after shooting and complaining at its accuracy just shows your a chump. Then after sighting you are hitting a foot low. I know that’s a load of ****.

173. I own a 995 carbine, my adult son owns a .40 Hi-Point pistol. I’m a older guy and like most older guys I’ve either owned or shot most about everything I wanted to over my lifetime (72) I like my carbine although it reminds me of guns that were produced in Russia during WWII. tough, rough, and worked, but sure as hell not pretty. My boy’s pistol impressed me, we both shot it a lot with zero problems, that made me change my feelings about Hi-Point so I bought the 995, again zero problems. I tinker with my own guns, and the only one I had that got sent back to the factory was a .32 Beretta TomCat, I hated that trigger and no ejector. Just based on my own experience I plan to buy a C9 soon simply because I want a 9mm to complement the 995, although I do prefer the .380 cal. for range shooting. Don’t be afraid of Hi-Points, see them as they are, if you don’t like something, send them in, Even Ruger doesn’t guarantee their weapons, your at their mercy, (check that out) . Hell 10,000 gangbangers can’t be wrong about Hi-Points, if anyone needed a gun to go bang its them

174. I think this guy is full of bunk, I own a HiPoint C-9 and I’ve never had the slide take even a little bit of hide, the only jamming issue I’ve had is when I used Mag-tec ammo and it wasn’t ajamming problem it was a chambering problem. When I changed to Federal I had no problems, and have none since. At 30 feet, my groups have been consistantly in 2 to 3 inch patterns, whether I fire or anyone of a number of others have fired my weapon. The C-9 dosen’t have a bad trigger pull. If it did, my groups would never be as tight as they have been. I’ve shot a good part of my life whether it target or field shooting. Personally, I would reccommend the HiPoint to anyone interested in learning to shoot handguns, they are inexpensive, have a good warranty and are made in America. In my opinion, whoever this guy is that reviewed this weapon dosen’t know his head from his a%^&. This seems evident from observing his grip in the picture above when he was claiming the slide was taking pieces of his skin. If someone knows how to properly grip any handgun, he /she shouldn’t loose skin. From looking at this picture, he dosen’t know or was over emphasizing his so called proper grip. If he holds any pistol in that manner, all the time, I can see why he looses skin.

     • My stepdad has one, I did the feed ramp and boke all the mags in by leaving them loaded for a few weeks, he went out and ran 300rds of various brands and it fed all of it without a hitch. Like you said, accuracy is real good, trigger pull was not bad at all.. great sights on it too. Only thing its missing is a thumb mounted slide relase.. for the money I cant knock the thing at all.

     • This moron has already been thoroughly debunked. BTW, if you look at his grip in the picture comparing it to a brick AND the one directly below it, you’ll see 2 completely different grips.
       Thousands of rounds downrange and my big, fat hand has never even had a nibble.

175. This review is ridiculous. I own one and have ran about 1500 rounds through it without a breakdown cleaning and have yet to have a single malfunction. I have wanted a beretta 92fs for sometime but now I’m at odds because this c9 is very reliable and that is what I want in a gun. I can shoot a fist sized pattern at 15 yards consistantly. This is the first handgun I have owned and chose this cheap gun to familiarize myself with handguns. I am now considering just buying a shotgun to complete my home defense intentions rather than buy another more expensive handgun. Reviews like this have only one purpose. But in my opinion and experience this handgun will do what a gun is supposed to do.

     • Since I posted my opinion on the review I purchased a Beretta 92fs. Well now if I had it to all over again I would have bought the Beretta and bypassed the hi point c9 all together. The c9 is reliable and accurate but after firing the beretta if you can afford a more expensive fire arm you would be better off spending that extra money. I bought the hi point to familarize myself with a hand gun. The high point is not the gun to learn with. I am not comparing the hi point to the beretta because they are in two totally different classes of firearms. The c9 will get job done but as far as confidence in a weapon the higher dollar weapon is a pleasure to fire. I instantly improved my accuracy from longer distances the first day I fired the beretta. I would not engage anyone from 25 or 30 yards but for the fun of it I have been practicing from these distances with the beretta where I was unable to consistantly hit a 8 1/2 by 11 inch target from these distances with the hi point c9.

       • You say the HiPoint is reliable and accurate!?! If it’s both of these, why itsn’t it both a gun to learn with, and a gun for protection? If it’s both of these, what does the name or price tag matter? Does the Beretta shoot some special round that I don’t know about? When you are in the “self defense zone”, 7 to 10 yds, who cares what name is on the frame? Maybe, if you did some sight adjustment on the HiPoint, it might shoot better. I’ll put my shooting and my HiPoint(s) up against any pistol, to 25 yds, and have more $$$ in the bank, or more guns in the safe. When you read your comment in the whole, they make no sense!!!!

176. Amazing! This has to be the most useless and biased firearm review that I have ever read, and I’ve read a few! I recommend that the author find a new line of work, say plumber (if he still wants to work with lead, but keep slinging the shit) or meat cutter (if he wants to keep up the butchery, but become a productive citizen). Or a humor writer, since this is so laughable.

     • The review must be a total hoax. Dollar for Dollar the C9 offers more than any other pistol out there. Cheaper than a Makarov, more power, more accuracy, better ammo selection, tougher, same capacity, better sights, better mag release and about the same size and weight.
       For the price you cant beat it. Ugly?.. yeah kinda, but not really, it has its own “charm” to it.

177. To all the gun range anecdotes. Do you think it’s experienced gun owners firing the Hi Point? No. It’s new shooters and their first gun. Now, tell us again how most of the problems at the range are with Hi Points…

     • Hi-points arent bad in reliablity, they just have some quirks. The main thing that you have to do with them is to break-in those mags by keeping them fully loaded for a few weeks before you go out and use them. Then polish the feed ramp. After thats done they usually work real well.

178. As A NRA Pistol Instr., I use 3 High Points as classroom guns. A compensated 380, a straight 380 & a 9. Each of these guns have several hundred of rounds through them, with a minimum of malfunctions. A couple of issues with the 10 rd 380 mags, but sent them back, and they were replaced. Have never cleaned any of them: Run a snake through, couple drops of Rem oil and shoot. The more they are shot, the better and smoother they shoot. Will shoot anything brass. Not crazy about steel cases.

     Accuracy is totally aceptable. Any of the 3 will put 100% in a 6″ target at 10 yds. I have NEVER had thumb damage from the slide(s). I traded a Kimber Royal Blue 45, for these three pistols, and I feel it was the best trade I have ever made.

     100% American made, 100% American parts, Life time warranty, Fully adjustable sights, $160 -$180 bucks, pull the trigger goes “bang”, WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT!!

     • I agree ….Pull the trigger B A N G!!!!!! I have a .45 and I carry it everywhere I can. As you said 100% American made NO foreign parts and a life time warranty. What more is there besides more Hi Points and more ammo…..Gun goes B A N G EVERY TIME………

     • Thats great that you like the C9s that much and that your an NRA instructor .For that I commend you.
       I however cannot give anything close to that review , mine just had fte,ftf all the time good ammo ,steel ,brass didnt matter ..yes GREAT WARRANTEE. But the failed to fix it after 2 x back. I would love to be able to endorse this C-9 . I just dont see it.
       I wish being an US entity that they were all great and functional shooters. (I DO however like the carbines ). Dont get me wrong …Im not a pricet type weapons buyer, meaning I dont shop name brands .I carry a KT-PT9 that goes bang each and everytime anyone pulls the trigger,any grip …they just go bang only thing is that the KT-PT9 wont be good for a boat anchor. HAGD!

       • Yep, there are the good, the bad and the ugly. I also use a Kel Tec P-11, 9mm, that out of the box, and 25 rds, I wouldn’t have given you a dime for: BUT, after a little tinkering and a couple hundred rds, it’s rather a pretty good gun. I really think a lot of these pistols need the benefit of the doubt and some serious break-in.

         I also use a Bresa Thunder 380 and a Walther PK-380. The Bersa is probably my favorite pistol, PERIOD. Shoot safe and well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

179. Wow! what a review. I feel extremely blessed. I bought my first high point 9 several years ago and after hundreds of rounds apparently I’m fortunate that it didn’t blow up in my face. Don’t know how I hit those targets. Guess I’m a glutton for punishment, I have since bought two more to arm my family. It’s not a conceal carry weapon but it’s great under the truck seat.

     • Sure beats the hell out of a brick don’t it!! I would just like the “experts” to tell the truth, not bash as brand!

180. I’ve owned two high point C-9’s. And I completely disagree with you review. While it may not be the best firearm on the market I’ve found them to be extremely reliable, and comfortable to fire. You can not beat the price of a High Point either. I would personally recommend this sidearm to my friends and family. I would like to know what qualifies this young man to review a firearm, years of experience? Military service? (shouldn’t be required be would help) Who knows. I do know that I would taker this review with a grain of salt.

     • Whoa Hoss- I’n the guy that said this review was bravo seira (BS). I am a huge HP fan. I took my CP-380 to the range yesterday, 10 yds, 100 rounds, put 100% in a 9 inch plate. I’m a fan, nat a basher. See ya, shoot straight, and get your comments straight.

181. I purchased a 380 over 8 years ago and it works GREAT, I’ve been shooting for over 40 years and I’ve never had my Hi-Point hang up on me. Shoots everytime. I’m thinking about ordering extra magazines. It’s a good home defense gun. I think Hi-Point just didn’t want the gun back after a horrible review. I’ve been in the automotive industry for over 25 years, and we never get back or want back an item that is going to be taken to it’s destruction limits. The only thing (in my opinion) Hi-Point wanted from you, was an honest review. I don’t think whey got one. That’s my opinion. I own several guns and rifles and I can grab my Hi-Point any time and compare it to any of my other guns, any time, anywhere.

     • WELL Said, Army V, WELL Said! Will trust MY life and the lives of my loved ones to my HIGH POINT’s at ANY time! “Beauty IS as Beauty does” AND my family’s High Point Pistols ARE Beautiful! They DO what they were made to do, SHOOT EACH time, EVERY time, ALL the time! Reviewers with an AX to grind are welcome to GRIND on MY High Points … when they’ve finished … those High Points WILL work FLAWLESSLY! They ALWAYS have and I trust ALWAYS will!

       • I’ll go back to my original comment: This wasn’t a gun review, it was simple “brand bashing”. I’m a NRA pistol instr., just came back from the range w/ 2 students, put 100 rounds through my comped 380. Both shooters, husband and wife will buy the non comped 380. IF they can find them!

     • I hope you DON’T LIVE IN new york……

       • PLEASE C’MON NOW….. I UNDERSTAND YOU LOVE YOUR HI-POINT BUT DONT PUT THEM ON THE PROVERBIAL PEDESTAL. AS WITH EVERYTHING THERE ARE BONES,BAD CARS ,ATVS ETC ETC ETC HI …POINT JUST HAS MORE OF THE BAD THAN THEY DO GOOD. YOU PROTECT YOUR FAMILY WITH THE HI POINT…ME? ILL USE A ROCK THANKS LOL

         • Hey Steve: U want to test that theory with your rock. I’ll give you my address and you bring your rock and I’ll use my C-9 with 147gr.Speer LE Gold-Dot Duty Ammo. Let’s see who wins the battle? If your a police officer in Detroit I’m sure you know what type of ammo most departments use.

182. So glad I continued to read beyond the idiot’s review. Thank you for true responses. I now own a HP 40SW and C9.

183. Highpoint guns are crap. Anybody who would carry one of these is at the least irresponsible and possibly criminal.

     • From exactly what experience, knowledge or basis, do you make such a flat, broad statement? How many Hi Points have you shot: What is your shooting experience and/or certifications? Basic comment sounds like you are just mad about something. It’s irresponsible to make such a statement with limited or no knowledge. From YOUR standpoint, where is the problem(s) with Hi Point? I, as a NRA Pistol Instructor, and many of my students, have put hundreds of rounds through both a 380 and 9, with absolutely “0” issues, errors or malfunctions. I personally shoot a comped HP 380, and at 7-10-12 yds (basic personal protection range), 99.9% will be in a 9″ plate. Grab your SW, Kimber, Sig, or any other brand you don’t bash, and let’s go shooting. Anything within 12 yds, you name the bet!! 100% American made, 100% American parts, 100% lifetime warranty, pull the trigger, goes BANG. You can BS the fans, but not the players. Please start speaking from knowledge, not attitude.

       • OHHHH MY! I thought I was articulate and could complete a thought and a sentence well! Randy, you have said what EVERY one of us who ACTUALLY OWN and have FIRED High Point Pistols have wanted to say and you’ve said it SO WELL! Thank you for your WELL stated reply to NOT ONLY to this ONE misinformed EXPERT but also to all the OTHER EXPERTS who BRAND Bash with NO experience or REAL knowledge!!! Well stated, Very well stated!

     • Hands up… give me all your Hi Points!!!! Jerk….. you want a criminal???? Your comments are criminal….. Y O U HAVE NO RIGHT TO JUDGE ANYONE…. DON’T bother to answer because as soon as I see it’s from you I’ll delete it and dumb answers don’t phase me or embarrass me cause I REALLY DON’T CARE…. I used to be involved in law enforcement so I’m immune to insults ……

184. Wow! I’ve owned my Hi point 9mm for 6 going on 7 years… I use the factory mag. Never a hang up. My brother in law and I shooting accross the backyard, me with the Hi point, he shooting a glock. I took him back to 47 ft and i hammered the target everytime! All in all, the C9 has been fine for me. It wouldn’t be the only one I own…. I own my own Glock as well but I keep the C9 close and have had to hold 2 folks at gun point for trespassing while also being armed and I did not feel scared it wasnt going to shoot. Plus if it gets messed up ie dropped or something maybe stolen I wont feel like I lost alot just buy another. With all that being said when mine was bought new it only cost $100!!! Semper Fi! P.S. I love reading your firearm reviews!!!!

185. Plus…. I know i dont spell all that great before someone says something but that don’t mean I can’t shoot. I’ve been doing it since they pulled me from my mothers teat! from there to the Marine Corps… on the farm we shoot 2 to 3 times a week. I couldn’t even begin to tell you how many times I’ve shoot the pistol. still keep the 12 gauge by the bed though. Next is a Mosin Nagant and I enjoyed reading your review of that rifle now I would like to review it myself!

186. I reckon a lot of negative remarkers tend to forget or ignore the LIFETIME GUARANTEE included with every Hi-Point…If you are having a problem, then all you have to do is send it back for repair and adjustment…really a simple thing to do…yet almost none of the reviewers/commenters have mentioned that! I WILL be buying one tomorrow at the local gun show if the dealer has any left that is!

     • I know this comment is three years old but it irritated me that much that I have to comment on it.

       The Hi-Point wants its niche to be a cheap gun people can use who can’t or won’t pay for something more expxensive. If it doesn’t work reliably in a self defense situation, THEN THE WARRANTY WONT MAKE A FREAKING BIT OF DIFFERENCE.

       Why? Because you can’t take a rain check on a gunfight because your gun jammed.

       Also, would you buy a car that has known reliability issues just because it has a warranty? Wouldn’t you get fed up and annoyed? There’s a difference between cheap and inexpensive.

       Look, I don’t care if people buy hi points and I am glad a cheaper gun exists, and for just a beater gun or if you can’t afford anything more proven for self defense at least it’s something. But those on here saying they compare to brands like Glock and Sig are silly. There is a reason hi points aren’t used by any military or pd units. It’s not a designer brand name issue, it’s just that the other designs are better and battle proven.

187. Wow what a review. My wife has the hi point 9mm, Ruger LCP and Ruger LCR 38. Recently we went to indoor range. She shot all three. At 25 feet, she was confident with all three. She looked at me and stated she going to move it to 50 feet. LCR was within 12 inches of each shoot. LCP within 6 inches, and Hi point within 4. With big grin “I like this Hi point. I am going for head shot… between the eyes at 50 feet.” OK. I couldn’t believe it, all three head shot between the eyes (within 3-4 inches of each other. I forgot to mention she hasn’t shot in twenty years. I guess it depend on who you are, if the hi point is for you or not.

188. I have had a hi point 9mm (jammed all the time) and a hi point 45 worked flawlessly and loved it. I have heard good and bad about hi points, I am still thinking if I want to purchase them, for the money not a bad buy, nothing I would stake my life on, unless it was all I could afford but, combine it with the carbine in a SHTF situation a pistol I could keep around to pass out to a buddy or neighbor in need.

189. I have not been able to properly break in my C9 because of the consistent misfeeds and jams. I have tried several brands of ammo, but no joy. The few times it has actually fired, accuracy was fine but I have emptied only a handful of clips without a jam or misfeed. On several occasions I have required help to eject the clip to clear the jam. My hopes for an affordable defense weapon are dashed and I plan to replace this POS with a “real gun” ASAP! It will be well worth the extra money to be sure it will fire smoothly if I ever need it.

     • Try sending the 9 back to Hi Point and tell them whats going on and maybe they can fix the problem…..nothing ventured nothing gained….

     • Have you tried staggering your ammo to find which works the best? I put 2 of each in the magazines. 2 147gr.Speer Gold-Dot sealed HP, 2Blazer TMJ CF 147gr flat nose. 2 124gr. Speer Lawman TMJ RN, and 2 124gr. Mag Tech LRN (9E) for comparisons on separate targets. I found the accuracy in the Speer Gold-Dot to be the best, 2nd the Speer Lawman, 3rd Blazer and 4th the Mag Tech. These were 4 different types of ammo, with different price tags and different ballistics,velocities fps, and energy ft.-lbs. This does change the way the gun ejects the spent cartridge, and the accuracy on a down range target. I prefer to know that I’m using the best available ammo in my pistol for protection. and the Speer works the best for my C-9. Hope you all the luck on solving your C-9 feed issue. Try using a lite sand paper and scuff up the feed and remove the black paint from the factory. Be careful not to over sand it, then clean the gun. Good-luck.

190. My buddy and I go out and shoot together. We have a Glock 9mm, a jimenez .380 and a HiPoint 9mm. I will admit when we first started firing the HiPoint it shot low. After it was sighted in it became very accurate. I have no more and no less problems with it than I do either of the other guns. I do feel that your “review” is along the same lines as the other friends who read the “reviews” online like yours and think they are experts. They are begrudingly persuaded that it is reliable and accurate once they get it in thier hands and have fired it.

191. I agree – the review is BS. I have two Hi-Point 9mms, and they work as well as more expensive guns, and in my opinion they are easier to shoot accurately moreso than some others costing 2, 3, or 4 times as much. Hi-Point: a great value for the money!

     • Some better than others…truth be told…. all of our guns will be anchors or paper weights if obummer doesnt loosen up his stranglehold on the American shooting public….

       • had my high point C9 for over a year. no problems, i’m even going to pick up a high point carbine, this week, I have other guns but for the price, and the lifetime warranty,you can’t beat it. I can’t stand it, when people talk trash, about the hi point brand, because of the price.

192. Well i am not a gun enthusiast like many of you are, but i do like to shoot. I don’t own a gun just to be straight up, but most of my friends do. I want to start buying home defense weapons and a couple for me and my wife to carry. I want a reliable gun, and i have seen many reviews about this gun, some saying the gun is awful, many saying the gun is okay, and a few saying its the perfect gun for a starter. I do not have much money to spend ($300 or less), and i read these reviews to make sure i find a great gun for my small budget. I prefer a .50 cal or 9mm semi-auto pistol (having the most experience with them), but i’m nearly positive i wont find one good quality for my budget. If you guys/gals could recommend me one please and thank you.
     My wife wants a .22 and I need to know a good gun for her. I’m willing to spend more for her gun so I know its a great quality, and will fire when she needs it.
     I know this is not the place to ask this, but i feel I can get the most straight up and honest answers here. Hope y’all have a great day, and thanks for your time

     • Straight up answer! My absolute favorite CC pistol is the Bersa Thunder .380 – 100% reliable, well made, light weight/easy to carry and accurate. Has a decocker for safety. Made in Argenta, and they are the issue pistol for many S. American police depts. Good warranty and good US support. Have put several 100’s of all types of rounds through mine, with 0 failures. With the available “home defense ammo”, and the “close ranges” that happen in home defense, a 380 will do the job. After all, it is a 9mm. When you take into consideration that a 38spl, 380 and 9mm ALL use a 38 cal bullet, and home defense situations happen within 20 feet, a 380 will cover your butt wonderfully. R. Lienhart, NRA Cert Instructor, Pistol, Personal Protection in the Home, RSO

     • So about 2 months ago I went out and bought to guns for me and the wife. I bought her full size 9mm Glock, and I purchased myself the full size 9mm Hi-point. Here is what I have to say with these being my first firearms purchases.

       The first time shooting them (5 yds). I put 50 rounds of Barnes XPB 115gr ammo through each gun. I found the glock to feel better in my hands and to be more accurate. I thought the HP “kicked” too much, and was too heavy. When the mag was empty It took me longer to release on the HP. My last 10 for each time firing I had a 6″ on glock and 8″ on hp

       The next time shooting (3 days later) (5 yds). I put another 50 rounds of Barnes XPB 115gr through each gun. Again I had same reaction to both guns, but the HP was feeling better in my hand and “kick” didn’t bother me as much. I also measured my last 10 rounds and I had a 4″ on the glock and a 5.5″ on the HP. After shooting my wife and I took both guns to her uncle who introduced me to firearms 6 months ago. He showed me and my wife how to clean our weapons, take them apart, and adjust sights.

       The third time shooting (7 days later) (5 yds) Put double amount of ammo through and I used ammo my wifes uncle made using our old casings. 105gr homemade ammo. I found to be fond of the HP after getting the sights dialed in. I actually enjoyed the bigger handle. I again tested my accuracy with both guns and the glock I had a 3″ and the HP I had a 2.5″.

       To this day I prefer my HP over the glock and I have not had one jam or misfire. I shoot them both at around the same accuracy. I love my HP and I do not wanna give it up. If you take care of your firearm you’re gonna have a reliable gun.

193. I own 4 Hi*Points and have never had the problem you mentioned. Do you really know how to shoot a pistol? I can Put my shots in a 2.5 group at 9to 12 yards and have never had a jam or misfeed.I own a 9MM pistol,45 pistol 380 pistol and a 9MM carbine Hi-Poits

194. I have not owned a handgun since 1964. Given the events taking place all across our nation, I am going to purchase a couple, with adequate ammunition. I sa some High Point pistols in a shop today. The prices looked great, but the guns looked and felt awful. My gut said “No!” I’m going to pony up a few more bucks and go with S&W or Taurus.

     • I especially like the fact that you spend your money like candy in a candy store. My mother kept me away from those places so I wouldn’t get cavities. I guess some people aren’t as picky about the type of weapon they use as long as it get the job done. I would like to say after years of shooting and getting my sharpshooter and marksmen metal in the 70’s while serving our country. That anything that shoots straight and delivers a knockdown punch will work in a pinch. I purchase a C-9 Hi-Point after all the comments were made on both side of the table. Only to find the C-9 to be a much better pistol then you described it. It shoots straight, and has good safety features with a magazine safety, thumb safety, and last shot hold open to check to make sure it’s empty. Yes it’s a bit heavy if your not use to carrying a heavy pistol, but 27ozs. is not really that bad. I personally like it that way to help with the recoil. I especially like the fixed barrel, the magazines need to be tweak a little so they could drop quicker, but other then that no problems. For the budget minded individual, this is a very good gun for home protection or carry. This goes out to all the real people who compare apples to apples, and oranges to oranges. If your pocket book is bigger and that suit you to spend more money then you need to do so. I prefer to save some of mine for a rainy day. Good-luck on you attitude towards the rest of us C-9 users.

       • Dale-
         As a NRA pistol instructor, Basic Pistol, PPITH, PPOTH, RSO, I shoot a lot of different guns. This past weekend, I went to a 300 round defensive shooting outing, I took my Hi Point 380, just to prove a point. I carry it in a Fobus HP2 holster. Many guns there: Smith’s, Kimber’s, you name it, they were there: ONLY ONE poor, cheap, junk Hi Point (mine). Jams, misfeed, fail to eject, all over the place. NONE from my poor old Hi Point!! Shot absolutly perfect for over 300 rounds. Turned a lot of heads, and changed many opinions! People with little or no knowledge, like to “brand bash”, before even puttin some rounds down range. I use 4 Hi Points in my classes, and I won’t trade any of them. Randy Lienhart

         • It’s nice to know real gun enthusiast will always give a gun a real test, especially around snobs. Have you ever watch the guy who goes out and buys a shiny new red,blue,or any color high dollar car. They try and park it right out front of a picture window at the local night clubs. Yes some really do have the money to support that car, other’s use the car as a way of getting noticed. Guns are similar and have always been judge according to what a person pays for it. Housing the same. I’ve believe in being more interested in getting from one place to another without trying to impress people. I feel the same when it comes to a weapon. I commend Hi-Point for allowing the common person to own a weapon without paying a price that would only allow the top 3% to own. I’m always looking for a deal, and if people think I’m cheap, let them think that. I know what it takes to make a cheap car run, a house liveable, and a gun protect my family, without having to boost about having the best and building my ego up. It reminds me of growing up on a side of town, where the guy with the biggest dog was the man.

         • I think Steve said it best about snobs and their expensive toys. In a real shoot out, I too would put my C9 up against any of my other more expensive pistols. I give Hi-Point the knod on making a pistol that the average person can afford without breaking the bank. All American made, with American parts and real true American pride. It is good to see this company giving such good warranty service to it’s product. Most companies will blow the consumer off after the initial sale. Keep the good work up Hi-Point, and make America Proud.

         • I own a Sig .40, S&W .357, Taurus .45acp, and my little C-9. I keep all my weapons clean as well as the mags and my C-9 never jams. That’s with the cheapest ammo I can find: Tul-Ammo, American reloads, and anything else that’s on sale. My sons are active duty military and you will not out shoot them with just about any other weapon. They will be the first to tell you what a great little pistol it is. So let the guns snobs buy overpriced weapons and keep missing targets and jamming because it just makes our point.

           • This is just what I was trying to say earlier in this gun bashing article about the C9 by Hi-Point. The gun really doesn’t make the difference, it’s the shooter who takes the time to clean, breakdown, and practice with the weapon that makes the shooter. I’ve own many different guns over the years, I’m 62 in August and realize the only way I’m going to get the edge is to practice. Remember one thing, it’s better to have , then not have.

       • Hey Dale, Thanks so much for your enlightening comments. Your mom was right YOU shouldnt play with guns.. Seriously tho Thanks for defending our country ,as did I……………NOW Dont knock anyone who has a a different view of whats a great product versus a mediocre one. Hi Point handguns were meant for people on a budget as well as yourself. But my arrogant attitude will cycle much further and faster and MORE RELIABLY than your Hi Point handgun. You have a nasty attitude young man …go buy all the candy you want with the money you saved procuring your “hi point”. Other than that DALE ,I own the HP carbine and its a fine reliable weapon…which the handgun is not….so crawl back under the rock you came out from and back into fairytale land. So take your ATTITUDE and shove it where the sun doesnt shine. I wont reply anymore to your idiotic ramblings, again Thanks for your service to our country. I did too ..

         • Never said I was young, 1951 was the year I was born. Maybe you are older, maybe not. You sound like a snob to me. I would venture to say you like to be the center of attention in any conversion. I just stated the facts, any gun is better then no gun. Yes I do own more then one gun, but I don’t find it important to be so indifferent, most people looking for protection I’m sure feel the same. I hope your the same way, and we are on the same team when it comes to the 2nd amendment.

         • Wow Steve-o, you might want to eat more fiber and someone should confiscate your “CapsLock” key.
           I too have a couple of Hi-Points in my safe, C9 and .380, with similar experiences to R. Lienhart and Dale.
           Chill guys.

         • Just curious about your comment, While serving you country, did you serve as a ground troop or a in the air, or on the sea? Really doesn’t matter, thankyou for serving our country. It’s great to live in a country where freedom of speech is expressed freely. I also in joy my old 1911 Remington, but the C9 really suit me for target practice and carry. If I break it the cost to repair is a whole lot cheaper then the Remington.

         • Just curious about your comment, While serving you country, did you serve as a ground troop or a in the air, or on the sea? Really doesn’t matter, thankyou for serving our country. It’s great to live in a country where freedom of speech is expressed freely. I also in joy my old 1911 Remington, but the C9 really suits me for target practice and carry. If I break it the cost to repair is a whole lot cheaper then the Remington.

195. Thanks for all those positive comments. I just purchased my first handgun and I thought this was a good purchase for me. A gun is better than NO gun and I’m comfortable with this purchase at this time. I’m SFC Army (RET) and I’m about sure I can hit a target ANYWHERE from 3 feet, and my wife too! 🙂 Happy firing out there, if the need arises 🙂

     • I personally like my Hi-Point, it feels good to grip,the sights are set to my eyes. I have to admit I see 2 of everything and use special glasses to pull my eyes together. It was a challenge for me to adjust the sights for my eyes. I have no problem with my groups at 15 and 25 yds now. It did shot low out of the box, but I’ve learned to look at the front sight lower and it’s just right now. Good-luck on your purchase, I’m sure you will enjoy this as much as I do for shooting and practice.

       • I have that same double vision problem and the prism glass’s did a wonder for my sight. Mine was caused from a stroke. I own a HI POINT .45. never had a problem with it… Goes BOOM EVERY TIME I squeeze the trigger. I made slight adjustments on all my mags and they all run fine. I like the weapon a lot and the fact that it’s AMERICAN made makes it even better. I have called them and asked what ammo they recommend and they were very helpful. I use mostly hard ball FMJ, 230 grain Remington and Winchester and it works great. I have a good stockpile of this ammo so I won’t run out any time soon. Yeah it’s big and ugly but then so am I. A perfect match….Cal…

196. i have the hi point c9 after polishing the ramp and tweaking the mag it’s been 100% reliable i shot over 1000 rounds after the fixes not one fail to feed or jam people need to grow up and relise not everyone can afford a expinsive gun

     • I think you right on the ramp, I read several articles that say the same thing. What does that do for the ramp while out in the elements? Does the coating have a special effect on the wear and tear of the ramp? Just curious?

197. I wish I’d followed my instincts and just stopped reading when it became apparent that the author had a very obvious grudge against the manufacturer.
     The author deserved the letter back from the manufacturer. It is a cliche to try and “destroy” a hi point just because its cheap, its been done. I completely agree with the manufacturer in not wanting to provide a free gun to the 37th writer in a row to try and break their product. I can’t blame them after reading the content of this article.

198. Just bought my 3rd Hi Point, I have a 9mm a 380 and now a 45 I love them all I have never, I mean never had a jamming problem with my 9, or my 380, and I will let you know about my 45 when I go to the range this week. Hi point is great for the money and I will support them and the brand.

     • I would have to agree with you, never had any problems with my C9.Looking to by a 2nd one for my wife. It’s a great gun for the money. They are a company that gives everyone a chance to own a semiautomatic pistol for around 200.00. It sure beats some of the overprice stuff out there.

199. I feel this guy did not really plan for the original test to prove the Hi Point anything other than a cheap piece of junk.
     I own four Hi Points 380, 9mm, 45 and 4595.
     They all work as advertised and are very accurate.
     My two Rugers are simply more expensive not better.

200. I bought a c-9 from a local pawn shop just for practice and to teach my son gun handling and shooting basics. I was surprised at hoe reliable it has been. It is not pretty, it is heavy, and only 8 or 10 rounds. It ha been extremely reliable after over 500 rounds. Now about missing the target completely at 3 yds, cannot blame that on the gun only. I consistently hit beer cans (120z) from 10 yards, and I don’t consider myself a great shooter.

201. Wow I was really blown back by your negative comments of the Hi Point C9. While it is not a $450.00 pistol mine will performs as one. Once in a great while it will jam but that’s very unusual. My Hi Point has run all kinds of ammunition through it without problems. If you can’t hit a target from 3 yards then you shouldn’t be shooting no matter what gun you are using. Ever hear of compensating. Don’t you have to compensate if you are shooting from say 10 yards to 75 yards? Hi Point will also repair your feed problems with their lifetime warranty so try again.

202. I think what we have here is operator error. First, Ben, if you didn’t have such a fat hand the slide scraping your hand would not be an issue, I have close to a 1/4 in. of room between my hand and slid. I think you need to go on a diet.
     I have shoot about 300 rounds through my C9 with out one jam or misfire. I used it to recertify for my CCW and the instructor was impressed with the accuracy of the gun. Shoot five rounds, drop the mag insert the next 5 rounds. Flawless. I will admit it has a bit more kick than my Taurus 9MM but man up Ben, it is not that bad. I also found the action to have a bit of a drag when I racheted it. So I stripped it, cleaned and lubed it and now it is smooth as any of my other 4 ACP’s. but then I do that to all firearms I purchase
     I had none of the issues Ben had. I think the man needs to find something else to evaluate. Like maybe a BB Gun. Oh and if you cant hit a target at 3 ft. with any handgun u need to put them down and take up knitting or something.
     Accuracy at up to 10 yards if right on. I don’t figure I need it for more than that

     • Nice review Paul, I’m so glad that the C9 basher is getting a little lesson in the truth about this gun. Just because it is inexpensive compared to more expensive guns is not a reason to look down on a gun like this. It works extremely well for me as a home defense gun, and I plan on teaching the wife to use it. So right about the 3 yards, I had no problem at 10,20, and 25 yards hitting a man size target. It was a enough to get it’s attention, if it were a real person trying to invade my home. Keep up the good work with your review of a bad review by this so called gun expert.

203. I own one of thse and have had issues with feed of bullets. I’ve had my best luck with UMC ammo. Other ammo seems to jam more and foul up the gun quicker.

     Aim is way off by default. Once I max the sights I can be pretty accurate.

     Do watch you hand with the slide. I had it rake the top of my hand and rip some skin off. Not fun.

204. You need to work on your wrist strength Benjamin, limped it on the FTF :-).

     • he couldn’t even jerk a wank proficiently Joe. Ever worked on anything ben (Peckerhead). Never met too many firearms I couldn”t fix boy. Grow the hell up and quit bashing a home company. They are quite adept at service I may add. Try the airsoft route boy, you may have more luck, Ha , no you won’t. You have allowed yourself to look like a fool in front of legitimate firearm experts. Always make sure all avenues have been ventured before a final judgement. You boy are a short-cut taker and quick to criticise. Your knowledge knows nothing but boundaries . How can you try to ruin the name of a company that is trying to make a living and provide a product they deem worthy. You are not qualified ; my boy ; to do such a thing!
       Go the Hell away and bother us no more. We don’t need your unskilled jibber-jabber (A-Team) look it up FOOL.

205. this is simple he’s a dumb ass. he is a hi point bashing fag, who from the sounds of it doesn’t know how to shoot. so if i was someone who didn’t know about these guns i would look at other reviews.

206. Anybody else think it’s time to put this ill-conceived frighteningly biased review out of it’s misery?
     Even I think Benny has been spanked enough.

     • I will agree with it’s time to put it to rest on the C9 bashing review writer. He’s new at writing reviews and needs only to make that one review a negative one to find out how many C9 owner are out there who take offense to the review. In the future he might want to be less of a know it all, and learn from the reviews other’s have written before making such statements. To all the good people out there that own a C9 like myself, Happy shooting.

207. Three yards and no hits, really? Let’s be realistic, at three yards (that is nine feet) you should be able to print a group with a sling shot. What I really do not like about reviews is where someone tries to get on a role for insults and makes his views fit the next one liner he has in mind.
     I own the 45 and liked it so much I went ahead and purchase the 9MM as well. It’s true the 9MM doesn’t shoot as well as the 45 but only because the barrel length is shorter. If you want to compare who can shoot better than let me say the 9MM shoots 2″ groups at 33 feet and ht e 45 shoot one large 1 inch hole at same distance. Is that really the point though, do we read these reviews to find out how well ‘you” shoot a gun or how well the guns shoots. If you plan on doing these as a sideline source of income, then get a bench rest and take the human element out of the firing sequence. It is supposed to be about how well the gun ‘could’ shoot. Then if you want to say later that it’s fit just didn’t allow me personally to shoot well, then hats off to you. To me, knowing the guns real possibility, it sounded like you blaming the gun for your lack of shooting ability. If the gun really shot that bad, did it occur to you to call Hi Point and see if there was an issue with the gun. Instead you gorged on ahead writing a review I have no doubt is seriously biased and your technique for getting the opinion is equally flawed. I am sure you have read many review of those millions of people who have the gun and love the way it shoots. So when you personal test gun shoot so far from all those other personal reviews, didn’t that just ring a bell in your head that says “hmm, this is shooting so far off that something may be wrong.” Instead you kept on firing what could have been an unsafe weapon. This is the reviewer I should trust? I think not.
     Let’s be fair, it isn’t a $600+ gun. However, I know several people who have the .45 version and they outshoot the locals with the $1K guns. All day, every day. Does this mean that those guns can’t shoot as well as the Hi-Point? NO! It means those people can shoot their Hi Point better than others with prettier pistols. That is all it means.
     Quite forcing the review to fit your initial opinion and let the gun speak for itself. My 9MM and my .45 both would feed dog turds if I could get them in a case. There you see, you can use humor to the positive, you don’t have to try to be clever and the manufacturers expense. So, someone who doesn’t read this review but does read your review, may not get to own a gun because he may feel it has to be a $600 or above pistol or nothing at all. Because your review sure made it look like the gun would be a waste of money and ammo. I have a Colt NM that shoot great, but in a vice it can’t outshoot the Hi Point. Guess which one I shoot daily, the HP. It is soft on the hands and easy on the wallet. Your image showing the slide about to chew into your hands, well if that was not really you shoving your hand up into the slide, then you have the smallest and daintiest hands I have ever seen. My hands are average and the beaver tail portion more than covers and protect my hand. So you may have too small of hands for normal guns or you fudged the image to prove a point. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and say that perhaps you may have to stay with smaller framed guns. Everybody should buy a gun on how it fits. There are plenty of pistols I can’t buy because the way it hangs in my hand. That doesn’t make it a bad gun and I sure would not even think to take a star away on the rating because my hand didn’t fit the gun. Is the gun pretty, I suppose not. Yet Glock got all kinds of ugly scores early on, what do they mean today? ZIP!. Again though, $170 vs. $600 +. I am amazed every time I shoot the gun that I paid under $200 for it. In fact I saved so much over the other guns I could have purchased that it allowed me to buy dies and Molds for casting and all the components I need for the next 5000 rounds thru this gun and have change, left over. So if someone really wants the gun, get it. If it has an issue, give it back and they will give you a new gun within a week. That is awesome warranty that comes with every Hi Point. Don’t like how this ne shoots, send it in and they will personally shoot another pistol for you and replace it with one that they can prove shoots. No harm, no foul, and best of all no money wasted if all you really want is a gun to shoot often. If you want a show piece, then even Hi Point may point you somewhere else. I have never seen them claim to be all things to all shooters. My star rating on this review, 2 stars, keep on trying and for goodness sake, get some sand bag or something and a good bore scope to make sure there isn’t a issue with the barrel, when and if you get another bad shooter.

     • Now that is a great review, just the point I was trying to make earlier. Hope the guy who made the comment, check the Detroit Police evidence locker and you will find it full of Hi-Points, reads your review. It should give him something to think about.

       • Bias of any sort does more harm than good. It reduces credibility, what about the next time this guy writes a review that is dead on, maybe he learned his lesson. How long before we feel that he isn’t beating his own drum again. Pretty much like crying wolf, it will be a while before I take his reviews seriously.

       • Retired from USMC. The C9 works fine for me. Don’t hold your breath. Expire just before you rotate (pull trigger). Hope this helps.

208. I do not understand any of the negativity surrounding this gun. Are the negative reviews from people in the pockets of gun manufactures that put out over priced firearms? I don’t know if anyone has ever heard of me, but I was in the news a few years ago and even was interviewed by NAT GEO for a ” I survived” episode, but they didn’t use it. I have had my Highpoint C9 for years. I have never had any jams. I never use anything but jacketed quality ammo. You use junk ammo and it doesn’t matter what gun you have it will jam. Anyway, I was hunting in Colorado a few years back and I always keep my C9 as a sidearm. I was using my Savage 7mm mag. to hunt deer. I was in my tree stand when I heard a noise below me. Before I could grab my rifle (I had it propped up against the tree in the stand) A big grizzly grabbed the tree and tried to shake me out of it. My rifle fell to the ground and the bottom part of my stand fell. The grizzly’s teeth were about 8 inches from my feet. I was holding onto the tree with my left hand and grabbed my C9 with my right. I emptied 8 round into the bears head/ shoulders. No jams. This gun saved my life. The bear ran off and I grabbed my rifle from the ground and finished it off. Thank You Highpoint!

     • I love those kind of testimonials, they support a truth about this gun and it’s ability to get the job done under any circumstance.

209. This review was fantastic. There’s always a few butt hurt “people” out there that are going to cry about this turd of a gun and say they are great. I can out perform this plastic pos anyday with my RIA 1911. If you’re going to go for a less expensive gun, get a rock. If you want to buy a REALLY expensive paper weight, get a high-point. My grandfather bore sighted his C-9 and could barely hit the target. I adjusted the sights everywhere I could, and couldn’t hit anything at 10 feet. I shot TWO clay pigeons with my 1911, from 100 yards….. ffs people, don’t buy a plastic gun.

     PS: High-Point Polymer = Chinese plastic. “but it MADE IN MERICA!” – it shows…..

     • Well then Nicky, either you and your ole Grandpa can’t shoot for $h!t, or you’re full of it.
       Clay pigeons at 100 yards with a 1911?? Please don’t insult everyone’s intelligence. Go back to your mommy’s basement and play Halo.

       • You said it good enough. I was just going to flat call him a liar. Holding ALL NRA pistol instructor cirtificates, being a certified armed security instructor, using Hi Point 380, 9, 40, Taurus Pt92, Bersa Tunnder and other guns in classes, NOBODY can see a 4″ pidgon at a 100yds, let alone hit one. Most of the time, it’s best just to let these people prove by themselves they are idiots, then n o one will ever listen to them. I’ll put my Hi Points up against any pistol out there. Period end of quote.

     • The plastic is made by Dupont, and American company that produces some of the best finishes in the world. You need to do your home work before making such a comment.

     • Well you lost my respect when you said you grandfather “bore sited” a Hi Point C9. Do you ,now what bore sighting is? I think I know why you Granddad couldn’t hit anything.

     • Out Damn standing nicky. Everyone on this site should come to your shooting exibastardization. I bet you could shoot the pecker off a, a, a
       sorry, probably yourself. Guns are tools my boy that can be worked on and adjusted if you have the knowledge,understanding and DESIRE to fix them, meaning all brands, sorry, except your RIA 1911 mo-skeeter shooter.
       Do you call it Excalibur? You and benny make a good couple, or maybe you are benny????? Say it ain’t so nicky/benny!!!!
       Well boys. Another so called expert bites the dust on this here site that encompasses, from what i’ve read, some very knowledegeable gun owner/smiths opinions. Take a metallurgy class my boy, it may teach you a little about plastic. Yes, I said metallurgy class. Maybe a welding class too?
       You have No respect for the help on this site boy, because you are COMMON in the worst sense.
       Hope to hear from you soon.

210. I just purchase a c9. I love the weigth and the handling. I have taking out and put a few round thru it felt great to and the wife so Hi point get a thurmb up from me the miss, I will say thanks to all the hi point owner

     • It’s good to hear more and more people are figuring out you can own a gun for protection without spending hundreds of dollar’s. I’ve had my C9 for about a year and take it out and run a few rounds thru it at my home range. Very secure knowing it is there on my bed stand, and ready to protect my wife and I.

211. I own the c9 and shoot more then 100 rounds threw it and have had only 1 round get stuck

212. Even if the results of your test were 100% accurate and true, you lost all respect and credibility when you started whining like a spoiled brat about your experience with Hi-Point representatives. That being said, I don’t believe the results were as bad as we are led to believe, or that you didn’t let your bad experience taint your evaluation.

     I have owned a Hi-Point 45 for 5 years, and have cycled over 1000 rounds through it, including reloads and steel cased ammo, and I have never experienced a single malfunction. Not one. As far as accuracy goes, I used the same gun to qualify for my Texas CHL. The instructor initially scoffed at my choice of guns, though he admitted he had never shot one. His tone changed considerably when he saw that I got a perfect score on my shooting proficiency test at all three distances. That same gun sits in my nightstand as my primary home defense weapon, and I do not have a single shred of doubt that it will perform flawlessly if I ever have to use it.

     Gun snobs and clueless parrots talk down on Hi-Points. Those who actually own them and shoot them know better.

     • Amen Brother!!!! .45 goes BOOM!!!! every time I pull the trigger…..What else matters????

213. I’m glad most of you got a good firearm. BUT, I’m not one of them. Mine is weirdly similar to the author’s weapon. Brand new weapon. Same malfunctions, same sighting, and more. Have yet to fire 3 rounds without a Failure to Feed.

     Failure to Feed first round. Lots of incidences of “the next” round sitting straight up in the port, resting in the magazine after firing.

     Strangely, I’ve had no stovepipes. IF it fires, it does eject the empty.

     The slide lock will back, but not all the way back, with a loaded magazine during firing. Which is driving me nuts because I can’t figure out what it’s locking back on.

     And firing at 5 yards, the left to right point of impact is dead on, but 10+ inches low, even with the sight screw turned out to the last click (waiting for that screw to fly off and be missing next go round).

     I consider the specific High Point C9 that I own to be a very low shooting one-shot ( after getting that round into the chamber).

     So I agree with the writer of the article. MINE is a POS.

     You can listen to all the happy customers and take a chance, and you might be a happy customer, too. Or you could be like me and have a gun that is absolutely not good for anything.

     • High-Point pistols are basic, However they are safe, Reliable and yes, Inexpensive. But don’t ever say they are not good shooters!

       http://www.shootingtimes.com/2011/01/03/handgun_reviews_hipoint_100605/

214. This is a pretty poor attempt at a handgun review. I threw this baby out with the bath water when the author states AR 15 receivers are made from zamak & the 1903/1908 colt reference (obviously unaware of the need for such bulk in straight blow back 9mm luger handgun) .
     You should be doing your research before you making a public ass of yourself.
     Remember… if you don’t know what you’re talking about… use google.

215. I have to agree with this review 110%. I have a new C9 and it is the biggest piece of crap pistol I have ever used or owned. My experience with it was even worse than this review. Out of 50 rounds fired it jammed 10 – 12 times.

     This reviewer’s information was spot on and I am trying to figure out how to melt this piece of junk down.
     Guys, don’t bash someone when they tell the truth. His review was so spot on it is not funny. Mine was taken out of the box, loaded up, and started firing and it jammed after the 3 shot.

     Give this reviewer a break. I wish I had seen this review before I purchased this paper weight.

216. This review is nothing but a bash on Hi Point, and should not be a credited source for info on the C9, if you want to know about it, read the posts from people that have a Hi Point. that will give you more real information about the gun.

     I have owned a Hi Point C9 for about a year. it was my first hand gun and before buying it i read these reviews and watched Youtube Videos on it, and i have to say that all the reviews were wrong. My C9 is great! i carry it with me at all times. the only time it jammed on me was when i used steel case ammo ( Tula, WPA,…) but i have never had a brass round jam.
     For some one that wants go get a hand gun to see how they like it,and not spend an arm and a leg to get one, Hi Point is a good way to go. and if you like shooting a Hand gun then you can go with a more well known one but for the price and quality of this gun, you cant beat it.

     • Hi,
       I don’t care about Hi-Point bashing. I care that the pistol is a piece of crap. Brand new, jammed 10-12 times out of 50 rounds, new brass case Winchester bullets. The product speaks for Hi-Point. Junk

217. Garbage review. First off, it’s less than $150. Your expectations should be proportional to money spent. First 50 rounds, had a few mis-feeds. Tweeked mag as suggested on numerous forums and youtube vids. Rare mis-feed now.
     As a former Marine with expert badges and hunting and shooting since my diaper was dropped, if you can’t get better groups than that from 9′ with any firearm, you do not need to review any modern firearm. They don’t make targets in braille.
     My results @ 7-10 yards were spot on. Tight groups. Yes it’s bulky, ugly, and un-refined, but mine was surprisingly accurate. I own some high end firearms and it doesn’t compare to “most” of them, but for less than $150 bucks, I don’t see the complaints. Tweek it a bit and it’s a decent firearm. The reviewer and others accusing it of being a brick or paper weight probably couldn’t hit the target if they threw it at 9′. Stay frosty my friends.

218. For $150.00 with a lifetime “no questions asked” warranty, I will take the time and effort to figure out which ammo works best and how to tweak the mags so I have a nice little friend in my glove-box. For all you high-end purists out there, go ahead and keep your Glock, Kimber, Smith, or Colt in your glove-box, and hope it doesn’t get stolen. Got you on that one, don’t I? Please refer to Nutnfancy’s Hi Point review if you want the truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkq7WdB-0LA

219. Ask this review did for new is kill this writer’s credibility. He had more opinions then anything and just continuously bashed the brand.

220. Well for one, your review made you sound like a douchebag. Honestly your expressions were really unprofessional and I can’t imagine the company you work for allows you to write for them the way you did for this article. If so then there as unprofessional also. Stick to the facts. You listed the weight in your article, I’m sure a brick weighs much less. I do own the same gun. Yes I’ve been bit. But the safety is fine and no jams with the proper clips. My conclusion is either you didn’t want to destroy it so you could keep it . Or you bought it and tried to return it after your cheesy review. The only reason I read your review was to see hoe you were gonna break it. I don’t think your girly hand could without a 6lb hammer which I’m sure you would have used two hands, I will not be reading any future posts or reviews from you bro! sorry it the truth hurts !

221. Talk about a load of crap…Completely bogus review.
     Own C-9 and many other pistols.
     Is it cheap? Yes
     Is it ugly? Yes
     Is it heavy? Yes
     Is it accurate? Yes
     Is it dependable? With a Kel-Tec polish, absolutely.
     I figure the reviewer had his head so far up his butt, he couldn’t hit a barn with a basketball. What a crock.

     • Guns are like tools. They are used to get a job done , or perform a task . Sure you can go to harbor freight and buy something that will work , maybe poor quality but still get the job done , simply because the high points fire everytime, maybe one can hit where they aim, doesn’t make them good or even decent guns, they are junk no matter what ……

222. I bought a Hi-Point C9 because it was very cheap and I wanted to test out the service at a new gun store (it had to be shipped). I am a former marine and LEO and have normally used and owned pistols by Sig-Sauer, Browning, Ruger, Baretta, Colt and Glock. I thought I would leave this one at a hunting camp for a spare. Out of the box, I disassembled it, cleaned and oiled it and put it back together. When I first shot it, I put 350 rounds of 4 types of ammunition through it including everything from Hornady to Federal to Winchester white box to cheap Wolf polymer non-brass. All fired with no failures. I have never had no failures of any type in that kind of test with a center fire semi auto pistol except for one Glock. Maybe I just got a good one, but I was impressed.

     • same here Mark !! I worked for the Federal Police en Mexico and handled various types of guns from cheap to expensive and the c9 works like the expensive ones, just missing the bells and whistles ! good to know that there ir people who knows about guns and are willing to give an honest opinion, Thanks Mark.

223. the first day I got my c9 I put 100 rounds through it with no problems! I even had the guy in the next line asked me what brand it was because I just like the rapid fire, when I showed him he looked surprised that it was a Hi Point because of the jokes and bad mouthing from the shooting straigh staff, in the other hand when I got my first glock 19 out of the box i have a feeding problem, so buck by buck the hi point is worth the price and it does the job, by the way I do have experience with weapons, I still prefer a revolver over a semi-aut. but over all the HP C9 is a good gun !! and check your grip! there is no reason why your hand needs to touch the slide at all!!

224. I purchased this Hi Point 9mm Mid Dec 2013. About a week after purchasing in I loaded the magazine so I could get a feel for the gun and the action on the slide. The very 1st round chambered got jammed. Ok, so I dropped the magazine cleared the jammed ammo and tried again. Jammed again. I did eventually get a round to properly load. I was a little concerned about that so I called the Shop where I purchased the gun and the Rep told me to lube the gun a little. I did it. Not too much difference. Yesterday, I took the gun out for the first time. 1st round loaded fine… aimed and shot! WTH!!! On the first shot the outer housing that covers the barrel cracked!!! The crack is very noticeable. I’m very disappointed!!! Where that 1st round went after shooting it who knows? I aimed and pointed at a target. Wish I would have read the reviews and comments prior to purchasing.

     • Take it back to the gun store or send it back to factory and they WILL replace it….

225. seems to me every one has their own opinon on the c9. cant really6 get a true rating on the hp. think the best thing is just take the one I bought out and shoot it and see what I think about it. don’t have anything to compare it to tho as I havnt fired a simi auto in a pistol before which might be a good thing.

226. I have large hands, I own 24 different hand guns, the only Hi Point I own is a CF380 380ACP. The size of this gun fits my grip well and shooting it up to 30 yards I hit my targets good enough to stop an intruder.The trigger pull is a little much but once you get used to it it’s not that terrible. It jammed an empty casing one time out of 200 rounds. I’m glad I purchased this cheap fun little gun.

227. Very poor review. Hi-points are very good guns and made in the USA. If you want to be a gun ‘writer, you better find a line of work that better fits your pistol.

228. I’ve owned many different brands and calibers of handguns over the years. HP has been one of them. I can truly speak objectively in saying I found no out of the way issues with the four different models of HP(380, 9, 40, and 45). I’m by no means an expert marksman, but hitting a man sized target at 50 feet away and keeping a spread of about 6 inches has always been the norm for me. In the 5 years that I had my HP’s I had one clip that gave me problems on my 9mm, but other than that they were acceptable and trouble free. They were not the most comfortable to shoot, but for the price, the reliability that I got from them, and the simple design they were good firearms.

229. Just purchased my first hi point 9mm the other day took it out target shooting with a friend im not into guns like some people are but i thought the way the world is getting i need some kind of protection to take with me when i get out. Very pleased on how my hi point shoots im left handed with big hands and had no trouble with it at all the first time i shot it not brag in but five out of six shots at thirty five feet i put five of them in about a six inch circle i sprayed on and old peice of tin. My friend has a hi point he has had for years for a good 9mm at a great price i would highly advise any on to check them out ..thanks Hi Point for building a pistol at a great price for value….

230. Well, after reading all the reviews I could find *before* making the purchase, I figured I had about a 75% chance of getting a halfway decent plinker for the range. So, I ordered one and the only thing I did prior to first firing it was to “tweak” the magazines ever so gently (see YouTube, etc. on this).

     Took it to the range, put about 100 rounds through it, and found that: 1) the gun’s aim is dead on; 2) not a single FTF/FTE/etc.; 3) yeah, it’s a little top heavy but that’s easy to compensate for; and 4) I didn’t spend a few hundred bucks (minimum) and I’ve still got a very good shooting gun.

     So far, I wouldn’t hesitate to trust the operation of this pistol, although it’s definitely NOT a carry piece. You simply cannot beat the price point for these pistols either. Overall I’m very happy with this purchase.

231. You get what you pay for, this is a pinker, to risk your life using it as anything else when the price difference is a dinner out with the wife or girlfriend is just being stubborn or stupid.

232. For the people below claiming to own a dependable high point c-9, I’ve owned mine for 3 years, and I promise, it’s nothing more than a, “one pump chump.” From the day I received it as a gift, or clever prank, it has never cleared more than one clip(and it RARELY does) without one or multiple problems. I’m generally impressed if I can get more than 4 rounds off. I’ve tried several different clips, and even went so far as to try and modify the gun to function properly. Please do not ever trust your life to this weapon, and if you do, make the first shot count.
     P.S. One problem I’ve encountered that you haven’t listed is after firing, I’ve had the stock magazine fall out.

233. Kevin M;
     Contact Hi-Point and explain the issues. Though you may not want it, they’ll probably send you a new gun. With a KelTec polish & light adjustment on the clips, I have shot hundreds of rounds through mine with no problems, ever. When I pull the trigger, the gun fires every time and does so with good accuracy. Hi-Point has one of the best warranties in the industry.

234. I have two C-9’s and the C- 380 and other than cheep ammo I have had no problems with either one of them. I own over a dozen pistols, Beretta’s, Browning’s, Ruger’s, Bersa’s, as well as the Hi-Points and I find they all have plusses and minuses. I actually have had more problems with my 92-fs Beretta than I have had with any of the other guns, not real bad stuff but some problems. I shoot my Hi-Points with better accuracy than my other pistols by a long shot. Hi-Points fit my hand much better than the rest of them, it depends on hand size I am sure and we all have different size hands. I think for the price they are great shooters and I think anybody that appears to have problems may be embellishing things just a little bit. I would and have recommended Hi-Point and have never heard any complaints.

235. I just purchased a C9 Hi Point used and I am real impressed on how well it shoots and it’s reliability. I have had no issues to date other then it’s ugliness but looks doesn’t operate the gun.
     I haven’t had a chance to shoot it as often as I would like to have but with the rounds that I have ran through it I am so impressed I would not hesitate to get another one.

236. I found that the High Point is a very well built and accurate Firearm,I just wish it looked a little more civilized.

237. Own one, goes bang everytime. Had issues with FTF using junk like WWB ammo but never fails with hornady critical defense/duty. Also once sights were adjusted corrextly, head shots all day long. What I see here is typical gun snobbery, not honest review. Have read the same review in tons of other places but when someone who is actually reputable like guns and ammo says it does the job and does it well, the gun snobbery is pointless drivel. Its not an HK, Glock or XD, but I guarantee when the time comes, I can empty a skull with mine and have put nearly 1000 RDS through it to feel safe in that bet.

238. Also, I have no trouble operating the safety from aim position but my thumb isn’t cut off at the first knuckle and is quite capable of moving up and down. Useless review, the gun is reliable and accurate if you are smarter than the hardware in your hand.

239. The C9 was my first pistol. I used it to complete my exam for my license to carry. The instructor gave me a lot of shit before one round was fired. This was my first time firing a weapon and after 50 rounds he shook my hand, congratulated me amd complimented me on be an excellent shot. The C9 didnt give me one problem

240. I use to have a 9mm hi point pistol. At first my experience was much like other people’s experiences. It jammed, didn’t feed properly, and I had to rack it once or twice after firing it. Then I discovered the flaw. There is a magazine flaw. The two edges at the top of the magazine point inward, which causes the jams and improper feeding. With mine, I pulled the two edges outward, away from the bullet. After that, my hi point worked like a charm. There were no jams, it fed the bullets properly. I had no problems after that. It worked so well I even carried it as a backup firearm while on duty. It fit perfectly in my hands, I had no trouble with the safety as with muscle memory I could draw my firearm and deactivate the safety in a single movement. My hi point was ready to fire coming right out of my pistol. It is my experience that the hi point 9mm is a very dependable firearm once you correct the magazine flaw. I am a skilled shooter and so in the hands of such, it fires just fine and keeps tight groupings. If you are an experienced shooter, good with firearms safety and maintenance, I would recommend this firearm for you. If not and you are a novice shooter unfamiliar with fitting your firearm to you personally, then you might want to spend more money on a more expensive and fancy firearm.

     • Just holding one of those guns should be reason enough to avoid one, who cares if they shoot. Bunch of rookies

241. I don’t have any experience with the C9, but I was given a JCP 40 some time ago and that thing is accurate and reliable as all hell. I mostly keep it because it was a gift from someone who’s important to me, but it’s also pretty fun to shoot regardless of it’s ungainly ergonomics and appearance.

242. hipoints are like any other pistol u get some great ones and some shit ones i have had mine over 14 years and not had a problem for it or my 380

243. I know this is an old review but just wanted to add my experience. The author’s review could be of the C9 I purchased. My experience was identical…there was no point of aim and jammed constantly. Not only that, but the rounds were actually tumbling out of the barrel after just a few feet…tearing ragged holes in the paper. The rifling look more like light scratches. It would make some pretty significant wound tracts if you could actually hit anything with it.

     The problem with the jamming was not mag related as it happened on all 5 of mine. I even took the mags from my TS995 that worked just fine and in the C9 would still jam. The feed ramp looked like painted pot metal. I removed the paint and polished the feed ramp and reduced the jamming somewhat but it wasn’t worth keeping. I could have sent it in for warranty repair as their people seemed genuinely ready to resolve my problems with the gun…but I simply didn’t like the gun, so I sold it.

     A 9mm blowback design with a heavy slide and weak recoil spring allows for the slide to slam back pretty hard and not always go all the way back forward. I always felt the weak recoil spring may have been the reason for the jamming. It had the same effect as riding the slide back with your hand when chambering a round.

     I have no doubt that many CM9 owners are not having these problems because my TS995 runs fine and I hardly ever clean it. It is my wife’s favorite gun to shoot because with a cheap laser installed she can tear out the bull’s eye at 25 yards.

     The difference between my TS995 and CM9 was so drastic it is hard to believe they were made by the same company. I suspect the problem with the Hi-Point guns is quality control and maybe you will get a good one and maybe you won’t. If you get a bad one, then this review accurately describes the problems you may experience.

     The first trip to the range it took me into my second box of ammo to even find the target at 25 feet. I even let other people try and they couldn’t hit it either. The only value it had was training my wife on how to clear jams. The only way it would drive tacks would be if you hammered them with butt of the gun.

     As for my TS995, it is a keeper and I enjoy it quite a bit as it serves me well as a multi purpose utility gun. I can’t fault it at all except it would be nice to have 30 round mags.

244. honestly. you really need to learn how to handle a weapon. your thumb placement was wrong…. way wrong, not to mention the fact that you need to learn how to shoot. i own a Hi-Point C-9 9mm pistol. i bought this gun a week ago and already put 220+ rounds down range, and guess what? i did not miss a single hit. i hit exactly what i was aiming for… the head and chest. this gun is not as bad as you say it is. mine looks really good. i clean it every day. i have never adjusted the sights on it at all and my Hi-Point hits what i am aiming for. so please, before you give a weapon a bad rating, or review… learn how to use it properly. that is why yours sucked so bad. you did not know the weapon.
     God bless.

245. on a final note i was shooting from 50 yards…..and every shot hit its mark exactly where i was aiming.

246. I own the C-9 and the .45JHP. Both were accurate and fully operational right out of the box. Never had to make any sight adjustments and it shoots fine out to 30yds. Goes “BOOM” everytime I pull the trigger, don’t recall ever having a jam, had a few failure to fire, but that was the rounds fault. Maybe you got a bad one, don’t know. The slide weighs a lot but that’s because of the lightweight frame (both models) and the .45 weighs as much as my RIA .45. for the $325 I paid for both the .45 and 9mm, they go BOOM everytime and they hit their intended mark. No complaints here.

247. I have owned the C-9 for about 2 years, and have put over 1000 rounds thru it. I have used CHEAP steel casing, Winchester, Remington, and others. When I first bought it, I didn’t know that Hi-Point suggested not using the Winchester White Box, and that is what I bought. I had about one round fail to eject every mag. Then I switched to Remington and it works flawlessly. When I ran steel casings thru it, same thing as Winchester. Turns out that Winchester seems to be just a tad larger, and the steel casings expand more when fired. I did not know that when I first bought this gun. It is very accurate in my opinion. Had no troubles sighting it in, and it has held those sights for almost 2 years. Didn’t like the ghost rings, but that is personal preference. I don’t like that they tend to block some of the target if you are trying to sight quickly. Great when you have all the time in the world. Yes it is large, yes it is ugly. It’s also $150.00. If I wanted art, I’d spend more. If I wanted concealed and carry, I’d buy something else. i keep this gun in my truck, and know that it will hit what I aim at, and if it is a human, they are going down. If you can’t hit a target at 9 feet, maybe you should stick to AirSoft Pistols.

248. Typical lying Jew writer.

249. I have the JH-45 ACP pistol and you described above it looks clumsy, na dit heavy, but it fired each and everytime I pulled the trigger. On the msot part it was on target, but did have a drop on the projectery of the round. When I figure that out I was on target.

     • Agreed! I have the 45 ACP too. Bought it new and have shot probably 1000 rounds through it of all types. I have never had an FTE or FTF.

       – Double Shot (www.LiquorList.com)

250. i do not know where this man got his info but he is either totally bias or not a “shooter”. less than two hours ago i bought my first hi-point 9mm with out reading reviews and im glad i didnt read them because this d have chasem away from the gun. straight out of the box i loaded 6 rounds and after putting app. 5o rounds consecutively down range it slightly “jammed” twice and those were the first two im assuming because it was brand new and the spring in the mag has all its tension still. after that there were no complaints. and of course your going to pinch your hand when you hold the gun wrong while fireing, i am a large man with beefy hands and the scare of pinching NEVER even entered my mind because as you compare it to “a masons brick” there is PLENTY of room NOT to get pinched. just dont want people not buying a great gun for a great price because some yahoo doesnt know what hes doing and assumes himself to be an “EXPERT”. dollar for dollar the Hi-Point 9mm and .45s are well worth it………just need to posses common sense and know what your doing.

     • Yep! I laughed when I saw the pic of him holding the gun. My buddy has a pair of C9s he bought in Montana years ago for $89 each. I have fired them both many times without ever having the slide/skin issue he claims to have had. This guy obviously had an agenda when he wrote this bash piece,

       – Double Shot (www.LiquorList.com)

251. I suppose it is possible this guy got a complete turd for a gun, but I’m guessing he just had some sort of axe to grind. Maybe because he didn’t like the fact that he didn’t get a free gun the first time he asked.

     I own the JHP 45 ACP and proudly bring it out along with my Sig and Colt whenever we go to the range. Everyone who shoots it is quite frankly amazed when I tell them I paid $169 for it. I bought the gun new and have probably put close to 1000 rounds through it – HP, FMJ and even cop rounds and have NEVER had an FTE or FTF.

     At 25 yards it is extremely accurate and the warranty on these is legendary.

     The reliability of this gun, its accuracy and the fact that you can ship any Hi Point back to the factory for replacement or repair at no charge – EVEN IF YOU BOUGHT IT USED is all good in my book.

     Don’t listen to the naysayers. If you have never shot one, you owe it to yourself to try one out before you bash the gun.

     – Double Shot (www.LiquorList.com)

252. I purchased a High Point 9c and it has been the worst gun I have ever owned! In the end I literally threw it in the trash… customer service at High Point were quick to respond but the ideas they were telling me led me to believe they have SEVERAL problems with this gun. I went through a box of buffalo bore and not one fed cleanly. Good gun if u want something to throw in the truck to go shoot at things…. not a good choice if you want a reliable gun that you can turn to in case of an emergency.

     Pros- Price ummm… price…. and price

     Cons- frame felt cheap, very top heavy, jams constantly, 1000 page book on “tips and tricks to make ur high point fire, chapter 1- magazine modifications, chapter 2- feed ramp modifications ect…”

253. I got the impression from your article that you would slam individuals buying this pistol as you would as a car critic slamming individuals who could only afford a used Saturn sedan.

     In a self defense situation, I’m convinced you would opt for a sharp stick instead of a 9mm from Hi Point.

     Oh well, that’s your right.

     You had better be real good with that stick though!

254. PS:

     This the last gun review I’ll read from you.

     bye bye

255. I have a hipoint c9 and a hipoint 40 s7w both firearms have been good no pinched fingers no failure to eject nor failure to load and right out of the box moth fired an entire magazine within a 5 inch cluster and i hadnt fired a gun since 1980 in the army,I have no clue why some people cant get good results other than maybe operator error?and as far as the people bashing the fact that someone posted that he bent the ears out on one side and in on the other have you ever stopped to think that just mayby that magazine may have been damaged in shipping?or even in packaging?

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258. I have owned a C9 for 4 months, and am planning an upgrade already. Mine shoots low and to the left regardless of sight adjustment. When at the range I can compensate for that, but would hate to have to play that game during a life and death encounter. It does not digest Remington ammo very well, and I am talking FMJ. It’s way to heavy to be a CCW weapon, so I guess as a toy it’s OK. I would NOT trust my life nor the life of my family to this thing. The review is SPOT ON. I look forward to a new S & W Shield. If the only reason you but a C9 is the price, you get what you pay for! Made in America is great, but not CRAP made in America.

259. I guess if you needed a cheap gun I could see buying it. Wouldn’t be able to hit them when shooting but would sure scare them, and then eventually might hurt them if you throw it at them.

     • Jim why do people bash Hi-Point makes no sense to me. My co-worker just bought an awesome Kimber 1911 and that thing is sweet however, at the range my Cheap Hi-Point is more reliable. I have the C-9 and the JHP45 both fire reliable with anything I put in them including my hand loads. His brand new out of the box Kimber had 2 FTF in the first magazine. Do I think Kimber is junk do I think that it is unreliable? No it is an awesome firearm that needs proper break in and cleaning. Most people who have problems with Hi-Points have the same problems with other guns but since the spent more on them they must be better. Please keep hating Hi-Points you keep the cost lower.

       • The comment was meant more satirical then it was perceived I assume. I’m not bashing Hi-Point, and have no reason too since I’ve never shot one. I’m just going based on this single review. Bashing a firearm without trying it, is like looking at the meat case and saying the beef is better than the chicken.

       • I have heard it all . Anyone that compares a kimber to hipoint is an idiot, there’s no intelligent argument that high points are worth a damn, simply because they function most the time , people think they are good. This thread is insane , these people are dipshits. Come on people

         • I am quite certain you are right and I am a complete idiot. That is why I am a member of Mensa and an Engineering Technician who designs orthopedic implants and instruments to put them in. The fact that I have an Associates Degree in Mechanical Engineering Technology and a B.S. in Business Management certainly supports your theory that I am an idiot. So please if you could enlighten us idiots as to what makes a firearm “worth a damn”. I tend to think that reliability rates pretty high but I am an idiot. So is it simplistic design? Is it safety? Is it Cost? Please Jbewley wow us with your pearls of wisdom. What is it that you hate so much about an affordable reliable firearm like Hi-Point. Just to clarify I was not comparing the two I spoke very highly about the co-workers Kimber, Who by the way loves his new pistol and really enjoyed mine as well. I am just saying that most people have the same problems with more expensive firearms and are just embarrassed to admit that my $170 Hi-Point is not to bad and there $1700 Kimber has some of the same problems.

           • David , I’m amazed with your credentials, especially the associates degree.
             Maybe you should go to work for high point and design a decent gun, or better yet just purchase the company .
             If its all you can afford , or all your wife will let you spend , that’s one thing.
             Otherwise you should save up a few paychecks and buy something decent .
             Colt,HK,Sig,Smith,Glock,Kahr,Kimber, Browning,Ruger.
             Instead of telling everyone how great they are, Im guessing you left out the part where your standing on an assembly line putting orthopedic parts and instruments in a box and taping it shut.

             • So again thank you for ignoring the questions. You didn’t answer anything you resorted to tying to belittle me and have at it. I won’t get a bruised ego from somebody who can not have a logic based debate or at the very least give me even a single qualification as to what makes a firearm “worth a dam”. Your right I left out the part that I occasionally receive and send packages from new vendors during the design phase of a project. Not that our shipping department isn’t capable but do to be ISO 13485 and FDA compliant manufacturer shipping normally makes sure shipments make it to my desk so I can inspect them first. I don’t deal much with boxes and tape though I use programs like SolidWork’s and Mimic’s to create 3D models from CT Scans. I guess it is time for another question you are likely to ignore. What credentials make you an expert in firearms or manufacturing quality? I noticed you sarcastically referred to my associates degree do you have at least your High School diploma or Good Enough Diploma? We can all tell by your mastery of the written English language that you must be highly educated. I can tell you this much I would love to go to work for any firearms manufacturer and work in the design department sadly that is not were my expertise are. However, I am willing to bet with my Mechanical Design background I would be able to fake it better than you.

               • David, I made my first million before age 30. Hopefully you did to. These threads are for dipshits just like yourself . This is common sense in it purest form. Go back to night school and gain more of your 2 yr degrees , who knows maybe in a few more years you will have climbed your way to the top, you’ll be buying Taurus’s instead of high points . By then you will be too old to even hang on to your high point.

               • So your answer is I am rich therefore don’t need to answer and that the thread you answered on is for “dipshits” like me. Alright so let me get out my bullshit decoder ring….. Here is what it translates to this guy called me on my bullshit I don’t have a logical reason to hate Hi-Point so I will claim to be rich and end the argument. Jbewley no worries man you can think whatever you like and this is America so you have the right to be rich over the internet or otherwise and still be a complete ass to people. I surely hope you are actually rich because with your lack of ability to even have a logical argument means your only hope for a success is to become a politician running as a democrat. I am done busting your chops but for your information we all can see what you are. Now move out of your parents house.

               • Ill run as a democrat , if you run as a “log cabin republican “. I’m not rich , don’t claim to be, do have 14 rent houses, guess what ? Some are HUD.
                 Crock of shit, right.

                 The reason why high points are shit is simple , 1. They weigh twice what they should.
                 2. Bulky-brick like
                 3. Terrible finish
                 4. Terrible Grips.
                 5. Known magazine issues .
                 6. Cheesy safety
                 Surely that’s enough ,oh yeah that’s right they cost $170

               • Now we are getting somewhere.
                 1. A JHP 45 has nearly the identical weight as a 1911. Now they are top heavy and that is for sure however, it does lessen recoil and time on target.
                 2. They are nearly identical in outer dimension as a early and even some current Glocks.
                 3. No argument there they are not finished the way they could be but they cost less than 200 bucks.
                 4. No argument there either there grips aren’t great I personally have had zero issues with them and a again it is a $200 gun.
                 5. Every manufacturer has magazine issues EVERY SINGLE ONE. I will agree that they are not the best quality. Again $200 gun Kimber is $1700 which do you think will be nicer.
                 6. There safety has never failed me is it simple yes is it the best no.

                 In summation the fact that it is a $200 gun does not mean it is crap. Is it the best looking most refined no. Is it worth what a Glock, Colt, or Kimber is no. People like you bash an inexpensive firearm and a 100% american made company because they fill a market for inexpensive firearms. You left out the fact that all semi-auto’s have similar feed issue’s if they aren’t handled properly. Now let me tell you I have expensive firearms and cheap ones it is one argument to say Hi-Point is a low priced basic firearm than to say it is “not worth a damn”. I would completely agree with you that Hi-Points are nothing fancy and that they are ugly or even that you may not like them for concealed carry do to weight I can understand that. However, when you come off like an arrogant prick and say they aren’t worth a damn because you say so and you have the qualifications of making your first million before you were 30. Then you try to disparage me and others for getting education that was quite offensive and proved you are either extremely arrogant or a complete asshole who most likely came into family money.

               • David , your right I am an arrogant Prick , I can be , I’ve earned it ,
                 Nearly identical weights aren’t identical
                 Nearly identical dimensions aren’t identical .
                 John states that his only weighs a pound more than his Smith and he sucks at reloading so he uses it in case he blows himself up , he doesn’t want to fuck up a good gun…
                 Where the fuck do you dipshits come from ????
                 I’m guessing Atleast a couple guys on this thread are from California .
                 You guys need to go to Wannamachers Gun show and tell everyone how great Highpoints are, see the laughter ….

               • Must be horrible to go through life with such ignorant thoughts and opinions! If you reload as much as I do, and you try to tweek loads into the +p range you always risk damage to your firearm. All I was saying is it is better to risk a $170 gun than a $600 gun. Go be miserable in your pathetic life jbewly

               • Jbewley your still talking? Since your response was your typical manner of I am wright because I said so. I will admit that the 1911 weighs 39 oz empty and that the JHP 45 weighs a extremely heavy 32 oz. I won’t take the time to look up all the dimensions since you wouldn’t understand most of them anyway but again it mutes your argument. I am interested in one of your statements you said you earned the right to be an arrogant prick? Is that a graduate or post graduate program I have never heard of or is that just a feeling that drop outs have since they did not have either the intelligence or drive to finish a degree? I know you told us how you earned your first million before you were 30 congrats and that you own 14 rental properties. How does that qualify as earning the right to be an arrogant prick? I can’t speak for the rest of the guys on this thread I am from Washington State. I am willing to bet however, that you are bashing a firearm that you have never personally used. Don’t feel compelled to wright back a defend yourself it is clear to everyone what you are. If it makes you feel any better your arguments have most likely compelled no one into your way of thinking. It has however confirmed to everyone that you are a moron. I would speculate that you are either retarded or learning impaired but I would hate to insult people with disabilities by comparing them to you.

               • I’ve have fired the pistol on 2 different occasions.
                 This is America , we can’t be anyway we want .
                 You are the night school moron, boasting about Mensa , no gives a shit about that.
                 I’m one of the only people on here with a full name. , find me on Facebook .
                 Jason Bewley –

               • Jason you are two easy man. No one cares about mensa your right but less than 10% of the population can pass the test to join. I am quite certain you knew that since you had to look it up. Look me up on Facebook? Seriously why are we going to be BFF’s? You are right in America anyone can be or pretend to be anything they like. You chose to be in internet tough guy but this is America you can also fail which you have. You claim to have fired Hi-Points twice so that makes you quite the expert. Oh I forgot you are a gun smith, firearms designer, or firearms collector. Any of those might have given some type of credentials nope your answer is I made my first million before I was 30 and have 14 rentals wow. I can tell you man I honestly wish you well and hope you find a way to work through your issues and move out of mom and or dad’s house. Don’t worry my friend there will always be a need for someone with your stellar attitude towards people and opposing views. Just practice this phrase and you will be fine “Would you like fries with that?”. It is a good thing you have your riches in real estate because you would not last 5 seconds in a professional office or any company that requires intellect and common courtesy.

               • Since when has taking a test and having an IQ over 100 been a big deal?
                 It’s not , I’ve run a business since November 2001 . Deal with people everyday, it’s probably why I rip on Internet turds like yourself .
                 You probably believe used cars are better than new because they cost less, depreciate less.
                 Harbor freight tools are better than makita and so on .
                 I started with absolutely nothing, I pushed and pushed , keep pushing .
                 I’m curious David , how many guns do you own ?

               • Well Jason do your research the minimum IQ for Mensa is actually being taking an IQ test and scoring above the 98 percentile. Which is typically around 135. on most test. having said that I don’t believe it is the only measure of intelligence and only took the test when an Engineer I was working with asked me to. As far as how many firearms I own I have a small collection. Modern firearms I have 12 rifles ranging from World War 1 to 2013, I have 2 shotguns, 2 revolvers, and 4 semi-automatic pistols. I have 2 black powder rifles and one black powder pistol. Once again not a large collection by any means. I have a membership at a local gun range and hand load most of my ammunition. None of this by the way makes me an expert. I am glad you have your own business because I can’t imagine anyone wanting to work with an ass like you. I think any person who understands budgeting would understand that you are financially better off to purchase a automobile that is a couple years old to avoid the depreciation. Having said that I have purchased brand new cars, doubt I ever will again. As far as harbor freight tools they can serve a purpose for people who need a cheap tool to use once but I tend to like Milwaukee or Dewalt but again that is personal preference. The difference between me and you is simple I think it is important for all markets to be served and understand that not everyone can afford to drop $600 plus on a firearm. Did I ever imply that Hi-Point is the best firearm made? No I just like making you look like the fool you are.

               • David,When you compare a Kimber to a High point ,Or even state they have the same issues ,is simply insane.
                 If you are as brilliant as you claim, you’ve definitely not went as far as you could have,your probably complacent in your world of used cars ,budgets, and high points.
                 There should be no market at all for handguns of this nature,as they seem to end up in the wrong hands.

                 David I’m really liking you the more we communicate,is it possible we could plan a deer hunting trip this fall?
                 I have an awesome place to hunt,your welcome anytime!!

               • Jason you are a hoot. So with all the blustering back and forth the big problem you have with Hi-Point is a moral objection to them falling into the wrong hands? Now I understand your position I just don’t think the Second Amendment has an income requirement. In addition to that what would you rather see in police lock up a bunch of Hi-Points or a bunch of Glocks, Kinber’s, Colt’s, or other high priced firearms? I just believe that it is the person fault there is violence not the firearm. If it wasn’t an inexpensive Hi-Point there would be another one. Cobra, Bersa, or Kel-Tec. How close to Washington State are you I would love to go hunting with you.

               • Remember when Ars were outrageous , colt and armalite were about it, pre ban guns were it.
                 Then everyone and their brother started manufacturing them. It drove prices down , eventually they have ended up everywhere and sadly in the wrong hands. Then it jeopardizes gun rights as a whole. Some markets can cause and create more problems than benefits. When there are guns out there that are true works of art, American craftsmanship .
                 Missouri , is our state good deer/turkey poplulations.

               • Must be horrible to go through life with such ignorant thoughts and opinions! If you reload as much as I do, and you try to tweek loads into the +p range you always risk damage to your firearm. All I was saying is it is better to risk a $170 gun than a $600 gun. Go be miserable in your pathetic life jbewley

260. Alright enough is enough, this debate has gone on to long. I have a c9 that has never giving me an ounce of trouble. Would I carry it daily? No! But when you reload regularly it is great for testing new loads, cheaper to risk blowing it apart than my other handguns. Its weight is only 1 lb more than my s&w, it goes bang every time I pull the trigger, the safety is cheaply made but works fine, fits my hand great, and the finish is still perfect after 3 years. It is american made and has a lifetime warranty. Over all it has never failed me. Some of you purists have had different outcomes and some are full of crap and hate it just because its cheap. But regardless it is different strokes for different folks! This relentless cock measuring some of you are doing over this unfair review is uncalled for! Exchange phone numbers, meet up and handle it in person. I for one am sick of the lies and bs.

     • No worries, the troll who wrote this alleged “review” has crawled back under his bridge.

261. I believe this review is very true and those bashing are either Hi point family etc or just lucky they got a good Pistol.
     I have had my 9mm pistol for over 3 years now, But about 200-250 rounds though it is all. I Loved the cheap seemed to be good Pistol when I got it. Until I started actually trying to Zero it.
     I have been in the Army and have been shooting since I was 8yo. Always been a Expert shooter. Have been armorer in the army for 2 years. (not by choice idiots took 2 years to figure out a Apache Armament systems repairer is not a Small arms armorer)! Sent to the wrong Unit and THE army is very slow on fixing there mistakes. But I got another MOS out of it and it was interesting.

     Anyway I don’t think any of you will understand how bad this thing is to hit a target unless you get one of these bad ones. At 25 foot range of a 1 foot target I hit it once!!! ONCE that’s after putting the pistol in a vice and zeroing it at that it did hit the target every time but not even close to grouped! I just don’t see how its possible to miss it this many times and all over the place? Just seems impossible!

     I had my son shoot it, My daughter, two others at the range that were Experts pistol shooters that were here out of state for a tournament! Out of all of us I hit it once with 8 shots, My daughter hit it once with 6 rounds, Son didn’t hit it at all, The two experts shot full 10 clip each, one hit one on edge of the paper. Other hit two on different sides of the paper!!!!
     This pistol is TRASH. I not sure what is causing this but I do know there is a circle of metal in the barrel more then a half moon. Almost looks as if the barrel was cut half way though on each side to meet in the middle and didn’t go quit enough to clear the middle and left that metal. I am no gun smith and don’t really know how this is possible. BUT its there and its wearing away and seems to shoot better the more it is worn away.
     I will also say with the 8 round clip and this 10 round I have, I have never had one jam. But as I said I only shot about 200-250 rounds though it.
     Since I bought it and first cleaning I seen this messed up barrel and have sent 5+ emails to Hi point on this and called them 3 times. NO answer to any calls or emails in 3+ YEARS. I wanted to return it to have them look it over.
     This is the gun that makes you think of missing the broad side of a barn, I have praised the fact you can get a pistol that would shoot more then once for this price to friends Until I tried using it!
     Now its the running joke when I pull it out, Like (everyone get in front of John when he’s shooting his Hi point so you don’t get hit) etc etc.. I think its funny myself now. Since its almost true.
     I am not a Real gun guy / brand gun guy I have shot hundreds of different guns and never seen anything like this.
     I just want them to work right. But missing the paper 90% of the time no matter who shoots it is just not right there is something Major wrong with this pistol, Just like the reviewer has had and seen. Just be glad you don’t have one of these bad ones!!

     BTW my brother had bought a .40 cal of this pistol before I shot mine. And I have shot his many times. It shoots great compared to my 9mm. With it at the same 25 feet you can get 5” groups. And it kicks more. SO Its not this reviewer its the PISTOL.
     I feel Hi Point knows about this since they wont ever answer any of my Emails or Voice mails about this Piece of barn missing junk I got.

     • One other thing I forget to mention The Slide with the aim points will wobble a good 1/16+ inch while the barrel will stay still on the frame with the smallest of pressure, So not sure if its that or the barrel itself or both. My guess with how bad it misses from such a close range is both.

     • John I think you got a hold of a bad one i bought a 9 mil and a 40 cal at the same time and to really check it i used a rifle range and had the silhouette target as far out as i could ran a clip through all but 1 were within a 5 inch group as i used it more and got better acquainted i actually shot 3 into 1 hole maybe if you went back to where you bought it and see if maybe someone there as an “in”with hipoint and can get a response for you sounds to me the rifleing is off on it good luck keep us updated

       • Yeah I would of brought it back but the Store I bought it from was going out of business (Owner of 30+ years retiring and decided to sell out) I did get it pretty cheap though with 20% off, Think it was like $119 I paid for it new. I didn’t pull it out or really look it over until a few months later and then seen the barrel.
         For the price it still wasn’t a big deal its just that Hi Point in 3 years of emailing and voice mails every few months wouldn’t return one email or phone call.
         Also I was mainly posting just because all the HATE remarks this review had gotten, From what I have dealt with this defect pistol is the same thing.
         You can’t understand how bad it misses unless you see it for yourself it seems impossible until you have shot it.
         I took it out the other day to just shot a few with my son that Was shooting his new AR15 for the first time and decided to read online if anyone has had the same problem with there 9MM and I came across this review.
         The Hate Remarks are just plain Undeserved, Its just the truth if you get one of these Defective / bad ones. I dare someone ANYONE that is around Missoula, MT or comes here to Do better with it. Or just to see for themselves.

         • If you have access to a water barrel see if you can shoot into so you don’t damage the bullet and see if the bullet has damage to it indicating that yes the barrel is causing it you should see where the bullet has etchings from the barrel as it turns in the barrel if it isn’t spinning correctly it will slow down and start tumbling making it lose momentum and accuracy

     • Send it back to them and tell them to replace the whole upper part… or the whole weapon…something drastically wrong with that barrel….

       • Well as I said since I bought it I been trying to get a hold of them to send it in. Want to be sure they know why I am sending it in and if its covered. As in the Box it come with warranty paper that says limited warranty for one Year! Even though they advertise life time. It says on the warranty paper

         (The model c9-9mm or cf380 a.c.p. is warranted for the original retail customer for life from date of original Purchase against defects in material and or workmanship. But then at the end it says Send your firearm to us via Priority mail or UPS along with a photocopy of your Proof of retail purchase freight charges prepaid),
         Yeah OK The Receipt as of now is blank, The ink has vanished as many photo ink receipts do after a few months. So I sure don’t want to spend money on a gun that might be fixed now just sending it back and hope they don’t just say there is nothing wrong with it that they see without firing it and missing the barn! or Send it back at my cost for not having a receipt after 3 years that you can read! I have tried contacting them about this just to get an answer for 3 Years now, Starting 2 months after I bought it from sportsman’s surplus here in Missoula, mt.
         The company has just ignored my Emails and phone calls, Spending more on a $119 Pistol is just stupid in my opinion to a company that wont even tell me if it will be fixed or not.
         I will try emailing and calling again just because it has pissed me off now that I have read review and seen others have this same Defective 9mm.
         How do you have a lifetime warranty that you need the original receipt for when receipts don’t last but 6 months? And when you have the receipt you can’t even get an answer if they will fix it?

262. If you own a 9mm handgun, 380 handgun, 9mm carbine, .40 cal carbine, .45 cal carbine then call:

     Beemiller, Inc.
     1015 Springmill Rd.
     Mansfield, OH 44906
     419-747-9444
     419-747-6095

     • That is who I have been trying to contact the most. I even sent emails to links to Hi point themselves That I had found on a forum, Called both numbers and always got Voice mail on both numbers never a return call. Even tried The other two places listed for other Guns never ever a live person, or call back.

       Granted its been over a year since I have tried any emails or calls, I just gave up after the first 2 years.

       I will try them again Monday and hope for the best.

       I am trying not to be Negative, I know I am sounding that way, Just frustrated. But the comments have helped me want to deal with it again. So thanks for that.

       I’ll post again if I get an answer from them.

       • What a crock. I had a feed problem with a used C-9 a couple of years ago.
         I called during business hours, was promptly helped, and got answers to all my questions. Shipped and returned with an extra magazine within 2 weeks. Nary a problem since. When I did leave an after hours message, it was returned the next day.

263. Well lucky you troll boy! Maybe they like helping with easy feed problem kids. And don’t want to deal with defective barrels, I don’t know or care.
     I do know what I have done and got no answers EVER.

     People like you calling others liars just shows what Attention starved kids we have now days.

     • Anyone who disagrees with you is a troll?
       Hmmm. I’ll call them myself this week and report back for your reading pleasure.
       Here’s an email response from them answered on a Saturday: http://tinypic.com/r/2a50rj8/8

264. Ok then Mr. Bills brother, I’ll feed you one more comment then ignore you troll self. You said “What a crock” to my trying to get an call or email back from Hi Point. That’s Calling me a liar, Nothing to do with Disagreement. Do you know the difference, I doubt you do from the other trolling comment made on this Review.
     If anything all my Life I have been told over and over I am to honest / brutally honest etc. Just keep hiding behind the computer as you trolls do. I am done with you troll boy go back to bugging mother about not giving you attention, I have no more for you!

265. Well I have been calling all morning now to both numbers 1-419-747-9444 and
     1-419-747-6095 Always busy with 50+ tries. So now can’t even leave a message.
     But I wont stop, I will call every day when I have free time until I get though.

     What bull though!

266. Just spoke to Kat at 419-747-9444. It actually took me 5 tries to even get it to ring through. They’ve been on a shutdown for the last two weeks and just reopened. She says they’re really slammed today but keep trying. 🙂

267. Well after easy 200 more tries switching over between my home phone and cell one for each number, I finely got though. Tried saying whats wrong with it and they just said send it in. I said wanted to 3 years ago but it says need Original receipt that (ink vanished on it) and clearly says that on the warranty paper in the box. They said they don’t need the receipt and wouldn’t say why it says that on there warranty paper, Just got mad when I asked and said (I don’t have time for this and I don’t have to take anything from you and I will hang up!) Great Customer care there!
     All I said in a nice voice was why does it have written that I need the receipt with it and if I knew I didn’t could send it in 3+ years ago without a receipt I would of then, She again got rude and upset so I gave up trying to get an answer.

     She also said she doesn’t have time to call pack people that leave messages, (So all my messaged and emails just an answer if I can send it in without a receipt for the last 3 years were just ignored!!!!) Said if they call in they can call in again! WOW really!

     NO bull this what she said!

     So I took the mailing info and called it good for now.

     Will update on when / if I get my 9mm back.. She said it takes about 3 weeks!

     • She sounds PMS to me. I had three women all go on that one together but two got married and the wife had a hysterectomy… no more PMS…thank God…LOL!!!…

268. So why does it look like the rebuttal review of this exact same firearm I did where I experienced none of the issues Ben did and showed that the “shooting low” issue was clearly from his adjusting the rear sight in the wrong direction has been removed?

     • First off You sure assume a lot in the Rebuttal, First off as I stated in my comment it could of easy been something in the barrel as mine has that seems to be wearing down with each shot and in so getting more accurate with each shot. Second As you ass sume The site was adjusted all the way down from his review, Even though he said he adjusted it all the way, It comes all the way down from the factory so that would only mean adjusting it up!
       “Once I realized where the pistol was shooting when benched, and adjusted the sights to their limits attempting to compensate (correctly adjusting them, and failing miserably), I had a little fun. At maximum adjust, the sights still do not reliably produce a near point of aim impact. Rounds will land low – but just how low)”
       I feel if I shot another 100 round though this it would likely shoot much better, BUT why I just bought it to shoot 300+ rounds just to get it to hit a target. You can see in the barrel that the burr is already about 1/3 the size it was when I bought it.
       And for the sight. You assume it was adjusted down and that just stupid in my opinion, The sight is pretty soft plastic and mine adjusted up most the way too the middle is stressed you can see the plastic warped and stressed and its not even all the way up, So why would you think someone would just leave it at the max position up and ship it?
       You would lower it from that position to ship or even might of changed out the rear sight out and changed it back, Doing so you have to take it all the way off and then why would anyone leave it up?

       It all goes back to you and the assuming you seem to love. Don’t assume anything.

       Let me Assume you got the Pistol after he and others likely used it more, And fired enough rounds though it to clean out the barrel so it now fires straight. I assume The changed out or lowered the rear site to ship it and not have it damaged in shipping sticking way up with the VERY soft and weak plastic rear site.
       One last thing I bought mine in March 2011 so its very likely they could of both came from the same bad run of barrels?

269. I’ll try to upload on youtube a video of the inside barrel later. I tried a few times with my phone but you can’t see it very well just looks like a blurry shadow, I’ll try later after I borrow A digital camera.
     Its sad how people jump on others assuming, Anyone that says something bad about a gun that you are some Hater (yes I used that pansy word). I have nothing against the Hi-Point if anything I have praised them to everyone I know. My brother and 2 friends have bought Hi-Points from my remarks.
     I think I and like this reviewer have received bad 9mm’s with defects and Know that if they checked or better quality control it would bring the price up.
     I am not even upset I got a bad one, Things like that happen. I though Upset at the Lack of response from hi-Point in 3 years, And now that I got an answer (read comment above) from them its very disturbing how they even admit they don’t answer back and she got smart with me and threatened to hang up when I just asked about why I haven’t received a response in 3 years of messages
     and basically ignore you!

270. Of all the Hi-Point models from which to pick, you picked up the worst one possible. Hi-Point may make a CCW, but the fact that Chey mkaes both a Corvette and a Cobalt, you don’t go testing the Cobalt and then slam the entire line of models on the basis of Chevy’s worst dog since the Corvair!

     And, TTAG has done the same thing with Taurus as far as the limited number of reviews when Taurus has more models than Victoria’s Secret and Sports I;llustrated combined. Granted, the comparison ends there, but you get the point. Taurus makes so many types of semis and revolvers that Noah could have carried two of them that looked exactly alike but had totally different model numbers.

     Hi-Points are made for one reason and one reason only, IMHO: Home Defense at a price equal to a week’s worth of groceries (Thanks to Obomba and his Democrats, you go to the marklet to buy a few necessities and leave with a wallet $25 lighter).

     For $135, (not counting the cost of top shelf ammo), I bought a Hi-Point 45ACP, 9+1, that will send a jacketed hollow-point packing 500 to 700 ft/lbs of energy, at subsonic speeds, smack-dab in center mass at 15 yards – which is further than any in-home distance – unless you live in a mansion – in which case, you’d be keeping a Kimber 1911 by your bedside.

     I don’t need a Bugatti to go out for a can of beer. I don’t want a gun that’s suitable for framing. I don’t care if it is the ugliest thing in the world (and there are no shortage of gun snobs who think that of Hi-Points AND who wouldn’t be caught dead holding one. Except that they would be “dead” as in “See ya on the other side” if they had no gun at all when the bad guys break in unannounced.

     I don’t need to run 1,000 rounds through any gun to know if it will fire the next time I pull the trigger. I want to break it in, not break it apart. After the first 200 rounds, if there are no issues found that’ll keep me from firing off another 10 rounds, I’m satisfied.

     Shooting twenty shots a week is better than 200 shots a session. Why people brag about ruinning all kinds of junk ammo through their high priced pistols is a mysteryt to me.

     I wouldn’t put in the cheapest No-Name gas or oil in my car if I want it to keep running. Been there. Done that. Will never do it again – unless I run out of gas in the middle of the desert.

     Also, you don’t run your car without oil in it or leave it with that filthy oil and filthy filter that’s been in the engine since Christmas 2012. So the same thing goes for your gun. Keep it clean. Keep it oiled. Keep it running.

     And, JIC (the acronym I originated – seriously), keep a shotgun handy, too. After all, you can get a Mossberg 500 AND a Hi-Point .45ACP and still have plenty of cash left over for all the ammo you need.

     Speaking of ammo, why is the cost of ammo (based on quality, quantity, & availability) never added into the equation when talking about gun prices?

     Being able to get what you need when you need it and can afford it SHOULD be a consideration for every person who does not review guns for a living (or hobby) and who does not have access to a storehouse of guns and ammo from which to choose without worry about having to buy it.

271. I believe that hi point arms are like fords I’ve owned two hi point 9mms and the first WAS just as bad as the review suggests. Now I owned two because I wanted to be a duel gun cow boy type (lol I had just turned 21, and don’t like to drink) and the damnedest thing I can use it as easily and effectively as I do my sr9 (save capacity of course) After trying everything side by side I cannot saddly after four months of tinkering achieve the same results. There for I believe that if you get a bad one just trade it in on a good one. It’s not like they’re at an hk price point

272. i own a hipoint c9 9mm, the only time ive noticed it to have fail to feed is when my wife or kids shoot it, since the slide uses its weight to lock down you need to have good wrist controll or it will misfire…. i do not use it as a daily carry weapon due to occ misfires….but when im at sea on a boat fishing, or pier fishing, or bacpacking and rock climbing, i would much rather carry it as opposed to my nicer guns…. its a good tackle box or kyak gun…due to its cheap price. do i reccomend as an every day carry gun? no, but it is great to carry in situations where you have a high liklehood of dropping it, losing it or emersing it in saltwater, as a cheap gun is better than no gun, and yes it does work after being retrived from a river bottom after a 30 foot drop…..

273. Well I am back, Received the Pistol back from Hi-Point finely. What a JOKE They are. They send a note with it saying they replaced the barrel That is a 100% lie. Well I looked and what they did was Hone the old barrel in the gun and now it has hardly any Rifling. Still some hone stone / metal in the little rifling thats left. What kind of bull shit two bit company hones a barrel down to fix there Blem barrel in. Now I have a Pistol basically with a barrel almost wore out after 3 years of trying to get them to fix it since new. By the way I am a Machinist for you that think I don’t know for sure if they honed the barrel, They 100% honed it out its the same barrel I have video of the inside of the barrel before I sent it in and the marks from before higher one the right side are still there just now they are only inside the Rifling not on solid around the full inside. Name of the guy that side he did the work is Jason!

     What a Joke Company! 3 years of trying to get them to reply to a left email and voice massages to this. She even said if you read my comments above that she ignores Voice massages, Since they can just call back! I have called over 500 Times to get though to a voice mail about 5 times and a person once in 3 years since I bought it.

     • Well Maybe I should hold off about the company, It could be just a lazy worker and every company has them. I will call them and try to talk to someone in charge.

       I called them and she said she would have someone call me tomorrow thats higher up and if that doesn’t help then the Owner will call me. I hope so after all this.

       BTW she was in a good mood today the last time she wasn’t so much.Also it only two 2 tries to get though this time.

274. Sounds like you need to learn how to shoot.. Never had a problem with any of my hi.points … Fired my 45/ and 9 from distances of 50-75 feet dead balls accurate everytime. Give me a number I’ll text you pics of some target. Well have a good one…

275. If you are looking for a straight blowback firearm to compare to, try Astra(s) in model 300 (.32 & .380), model 400 (9mm largo) and the Astra 600 (9×19). These were made right around WWII in Spain by Astra. The Germans contracted some 300’s and some 600’s and a very few 400’s. I have owned and fired all three, and the 300 would make an excellent concealed carry pistol (all are single action, by the way). The larger (but not largest) model 600 undoubtedly made an excellent service pistol. One does notice that the straight blowback gives a bit more noticeable recoil to deal with. All the Astra pistols I have owned have been of excellent quality, and were excellent, and trouble-free shooters.

276. Any moron could hit a target that close with a slingshot…..I really don’t think you should be permitted to own ANY handguns , whether they cost $150 or $1500 !
     Have to give you credit though , you are definitely a professional Bull::::ter !!

     • If anyone is a MORON look in the mirror, Idiots like you always talking shit about things you have never dealt with. Stick to folding Mothers Underwear and cleaning Daddy’s Guns!
       I never thought I could miss as close as I am, And some of the best pistol shooters in the US couldn’t believe they could miss either. I got mine back after you couldn’t hit shit. Now It shoots and hit as it should. This review was put up the same month I bought my 9 Hi Point and suffered the same thing. What it is on mine and I expect on this one too, Is there was a Large Burr throughout the middle of the barrel and when you shoot the bullet hits that and jerks the pistol and in turn shoots far from where it was aimed when you pulled the trigger. After 150 round in mine the burr was 1/3 the size it was when I got it new, and would hit target some times. I sent it in and they cut the burr down (said they put new barrel in but I am a Machinist and can see they just honed it out to remove the burr but now the riffling is very thin, Making the barrel half wore out now. I am sure this person shooting it and others took the burr away just by firing it so many times. As mine does now with no BURR!
       And again stfu you stupid little Hi-Point troll.

       • Gee, too bad bad a i shot this exact same pistol without it having any repairs and had exactly none of these issues. It’s a hack review plain and simple.

         • How many times it take to for you to understand that THE DEFECT WAS WORN OFF BY THE TIME YOU RECEIVED THE PISTOL! Do you really even read what is typed!!! I have said that 4 times now. Just because you didn’t get the pistol when it had the burr inside the barrel doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. MINE TOOK 150 ROUND AND WAS ABOUT 2/3 GONE SO IN ANOTHER 75 SHOTS IT WOULD OF LIKELY SHOT FINE TOO.
           Ignorance is bliss right!

           • If ignorance is bliss you must be a happy man. Try reading my review of the exact same gun. The rear sights were screwed down as far as they would go, there was no burr. I also didn’t experience a single failure to feed or have my hand “bit” by the slide (and I have huge hands). He either was doing a deliberate hatchet job or has no business doing gun reviews

277. I have gone over a lot of information about the Hi-Point C-9 and also the .45acp version JHP , I decided to purchase both from Budshop Gun Shop , I paid $142.00 for the .45 , and $152.00 for the 9mm , free shipping of course , very good folks , I have shot about 300 rounds through each firearm , no issues whatsoever , I can tell you they both like my hot loaded reloads best of all , but remember they are +P rated . I am truly surprised at how reliable these firearms are , no bites either , and I have big hands too . I would buy Hi-Points again if need be , but since it comes with a Lifetime Warranty that is very good , I doubt I would need to buy any to replace these . If you have any reservations about these , forget them , most folks bash these guns because they have no experience with them or they are a gun snob , for now I consider the money well spent . Be prepared and ready . Keep your powder dry .

278. you cant tell the reviewer is a gun ninja…..I.E. to him only the most expensive pretty guns will do.
     I stopped taking it seriously and this site when he made the comment about his expectations out of a $155 gun.

     I got news for him I have $150 .22’s that can and will blow away any $5000 ar15 you know he owns.

     I owned the hi point .45 for a small time…..yes it was huge and clunky and it felt like the slide was goin to fly back and keep goin right off the frame. But it fired. every time. He made no mention of the ammo used which is odd in itself. As any person thats been in a self defense situation will tell you…. a 9mm doesnt know rather its coming out of a $155 gun or some lame gun ninja reviewers $5000 ar with a 9mm conversion.

     last time i trust this site for any reviews or gun news….

279. Just came across this review and laughed my ass off for two reason:
     1) It was damn funny
     2) People actually buy HiPoints then claim they’re the ducks guts? Seriously??!! Have these people ever fired any other firearm in their lives?
     Keep up the good work TTAG

     • Thank you J!
       These people are dipshits.

280. You shouldn’t bash this gun. It just saved a cops life in Missouri. A young man pointed one of these at a cop, it didn’t Fire (I suspect the safety was too hard to get off) and the officer was able to get off 3 shots with his (non hi-point handgun) hitting with one shot resulting in the death of the hi-point owner.

     I wouldn’t trust a hi-point to protect my life!

     • You are full of shit….find your facts and post them….also, are you familiar with the term “weapon unfamiliarity”? Go back to sucking your thumbs or whatever and get the hell off of this site…

281. I found this review amusing. Read enough reviews and you will see someone with same reveiw on pretty much any gun out there. Unless the barrell was bent I can’t imagine not hitting paper at 3 yard…. or perhaps someone so used to being an expert is unable to adapt to a stiff trigger. I guess I can shoot anything, when SHF I am not concerned with whether it has 5 or 9 pound pull or where the reset is so on and so forth. I purchased a Hi-Point, for $135 I thought what the heck. It is ugly and heavy but I take it along with my Sig to the range and I hit the target with both at same distance. Both go BOOM every time. I keep the Hi-Point in consol of my truck, if it gets stolen I am not out a lot of money, but I also know if I need it, it will shoot and shoot straight. No it is not a show off gun, but it gets the job done.

     • Really not sure why the link at the bottom of this “review” that lead to my review of the exact same fire arm (as in The Truth About Guns sent me the very pistol this guy had such trouble with) is gone now. That article is still up you just have to search for it. Simply put all issues experienced here are user error. Not s single problem he claims to have had occurred for me AND the shooting low was due to the sights being adjusted in the wrong direction (he lowered the rear sight instead of raising it).
       http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/11/daniel-zimmerman/counterpoint-kevin-smith-reviews-the-hi-point-c-9/

282. I hope the reviewer finds a job he can objectively do. I just sold my C9 to my neighbor because I replaced it with a S & W sd9ve. I got it because of the lighter weight. I hope it is as reliable and accurate as my C9 has been in 3+ years I have had it (bought used).

283. You are either an idiot or a liar. Had your article been about testing the hipoint to failure you would have sent it in to fix the problems, and then continued your “torture test”. The hipoint has been a very good gun to me. Mine was a 40 cal, it now serves a close friend of mine.

284. I own Hi Point 40 cal and the 9mm handguns. I have had some fail to feed problems now and then but I use reloads most of the time to play with. I would guess 1 fail to feed out of 50 rounds. But I find the Hi Points very accurate.
     I also have a 40 Glock and a Ruger SR9. Would I use a Hi Point for a carry gun, no. I would not want it to be my home defense gun either. But I personally think everyone should have the ability to own some kind of gun to defend them self and their family. Many good hardworking poor people can not afford 500$ for a gun but they can afford 150$. In Detroit there was a article where a woman used a Hi Point Carbine to stop a home invasion when it was just her and her children were at home, her husband was out of town on business. A cheep Ugly gun saved her and her children’s lives that night.
     Its also a nice entry gun. I have 2 friends that purchased them. They are learning to shoot and will someday purchase a more refined gun.
     My grand daughter shoots my Hi Point 9mm. Its the first handgun she has shot, she is a little scared of the 40 cal Glock. She owns (I own I lives in my gun case but its for her) 9mm Carbine and she is dead on with the Carbine. She cant operate the slide but she can put the rounds on target.

285. I was at the range recently re-qualifying.

     One of the other officers had a High Point. I was in the second group to the firing line. The officers with the High Point was a decent enough shot however the weapon jammed so many times that he ended up renting a range Glock so he could finish.

     I previously carried a Ruger “P” series and never got a jam even after firing thousands of rounds. I was not always perfect about cleaning either but seemed perfectly willing to forgive you. I now am using an XD series but I have not fired thousands of rounds through it.

     My personal recommendation is to buy a used Ruger or Taurus instead of a new High Point.

     • Hey Mr expert…..you failed to mention what type of ammo he was using…although the C9 is at a low cost manufacturing level, as pointed out by several owners, it does not like cheap ammo! We own 3 pistols and 2 carbines….the 40 cal fte one time when we first fired it at the range. We switched to a better brand of ammo and it never happened again! No problem with the other 4 and using up all of the cheap ammo. I guess I was the only one to purchase the only best made HP’s. Again, we fail to believe such adverse comments made on the HP anything ……still looks like there are a few that have nothing better to do than bash a weapon they have never owned or fired…..NEXT!

       • News flash folks : High points still suck . The may perform better when rotated to the left 90 degrees for the urban gangsta, or a thug committing a drive by. Save your money and buy a decent gun.

286. I just bought the hi point 40 that’s very similar to this gun. I’m new to shooting pistols abd I suck! After a few rounds at 30ft away I started hitting the coke can. my dad hit the can i n his secondshot ffrom 30ft away. Even my wife with zero experience hit it after 5 shots from 30ft.

     I think the authors panties got in a wad when the hi point pr person didn’t bow down to his gun review request

287. Nobody could make up that bad of a review. I’ll avoid Hi-Point.

     • Yes, some one could. Maybe you should read my review of the EXACT SAME firearm that The Truth About Guns sent me (unaltered from when this guy finished his review) where i had not a single one of the problems he claimed it had. Fed it cheap it Walmart ammo through several boxes without a single jam, never once had my meat cleaver sized hands “bit by the slide”, and found it dead on target not shooting low (once I corrected for the fact that someone who apparently knew nothing about guns had adjusted the rear sight wrong). This used to be linked to the article, but it appears they removed the link for some odd reason- http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/11/daniel-zimmerman/counterpoint-kevin-smith-reviews-the-hi-point-c-9/

288. I’ve been shooting the c9 for a few years now. Funny, no flaws with mine. The number one reason people put these guns down is the simple fact they can’t make the money off of them like a walther,etc. I have never had a problem with mine, shoots very accurately, the safety is easy to use, smooth operation. I’m not sure what you were doing to have so much discomfort and trouble with your experience. Maybe it’s like your bio says you just like plying with guns. I’ve seen that before and it usually doesn’t end well. C9 is a great handgun.i wonder who actually had you doing the review.

289. It wasn’t clear from the article, but we all know that every gun maker can have a bad day. Since the gun has a life time warranty, did you try sending the gun back to Hi Point, with a note of the issues, offending magazines and all. Or did you just write it off. A person putting down hard cash, even just a couple of hundred bucks wouldn’t let it go.

     Just wondering.

     • No. They sent it to me, since I steadfastly maintained the article was BS. I discovered that literally all the problems were either user error (he had adjusted the sights the wrong way) or utter BS (if I tried really hard I could get it to jam like that but I never got “bit”). For some reason the review that used to have a link at the bottom of this article no longer does. It is still up though- http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/11/daniel-zimmerman/counterpoint-kevin-smith-reviews-the-hi-point-c-9/

290. It’s apparent that Benjamin T. Shotzberger has no integrity as a journalist and no skill or knowledge of firearms. Amazingly, while he no longer is at this website he does appear to have been writing about guns well into 2013. Hopefully for the shooting public that has stopped. On the internet it is easy to be an ‘expert’ and it is easy to ‘review’ something you’re biased against.

     I’m another HP owner who’s had no issues over thousands of rounds. Ugly gun? Yes. Bad gun? No. Heavy gun? Yes. I enjoyed reading Kevin Smith’s counterpoint review and could tell he was trying to keep his criticism of this review down.

     @BTS, I’d suggest you learn about guns and how to shoot them Then take some classes in journalism. I think you have an idea about both of these topics that just isn’t right.

291. I own a C-9 and just bought a 45ACP for home defense. Both of these perform flawlessly right out of the box. Sorry you have such a bad attitude towards Hi-Point Arms. To me, they make it affordable for a low to middle income homeowner to defend their property. Both handguns do what they are intended to do. Hit the target every time. Besides how many manufactuer’s give you a LIFETIME WARRANTY on the gun. Read the NRA’s article on these pistols. Read Ben before you write.

292. Your review is bullcrap. You said this was a tourture test. Not a gun review. And even if you labeledbit as a review you wee obviously bashing. Your failures to feed were probably from your limo wristed shooting btw

293. I owed a hi-point .380 and my buddy a 9mm. Didn’t experience gross inaccuracy, but both pistols frequently jammed, but more of the stove pipe variety. Keeping the pistol clean, about the only way to stop the jams was to load 3 or fewer rounds in the magazine. A cop friend of mine told me he frequently came across these with the wanna be gangsters in the area, adding that they would be better off throwing them than firing them.

     • Baloney, balogna, ballony, bullshit and you 2 monkeys. Never owned a ho-point!
       Have You….damn liars..,.

     • Perhaps Nick should read my follow up review of this exact same pistol that Ben reviewed. Like Joseph I’m calling BS on the claim they had stove pipe jams with anything more than three rounds in the magazines. As each pistol came with two mags that would mean that both pistols came with two defective magazines that had the SAME defect that I have never seen in any Hi-Point.

       • Thank you kevin….way too easy to figure out huh……

294. Glad you pointed out that a gun, in this price range, is waaaay beneath you. Hi Point’s guarantee says much more about their guns, than your many words of snobbery.

295. Honestly, I do not understand how this review is still here. It’s reducing this site’s credibility. Dummkopf…
     Hickok’s review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCNx0Ql2ZZw

296. I am sure glad to see all of these comments blasting this guy. I was shocked when I read the review, because it runs completely counter to other reviews that I have seen. I have been considering adding a High Point C9 to my arsenal due to the low price, and other reviews that I have read recommend it as an inelegant, but reliable self defense firearm. There is a video review on Youtube by Hickok45 where he demonstrates this pistol, and it seems to run flawlessly. Of course, it is always possible to get a lemon, and maybe that’s what happened here. I once had a friend who purchased an expensive Kimber .45. It would constantly jam. He returned it to the factory, and they said that they couldn’t figure out why, but that it did the same to them. They sent him a more expensive model as a replacement, free of charge, and the new pistol functioned flawlessly. Even the best companies turn out the occasional lemon. One thing that makes me think that this guy is a douchebag is his claim that he couldn’t hit a target at 9 feet. What!? That’s point blank range, dude. My bathroom is that wide. You should be able to point a gun with NO sights and hit a target at that range. Was your target the size of a postage stamp? This review is worthless. The aspiring gun writer needs to aspire to something else.

     • This guy did NOT get a lemon. I had TTAG ship this exact pistol to me and reviewed it without experiencing any of the same issues he had. All I had to do to be on target was adjust the rear sight UP instead of DOWN as he had (and actually admitted to in an earlier “range report” he did on this pistol). I have massive hands and never got “bit” by the slide, experienced no issues with failures to feed when racking the slide properly (I did make it fail to go in battery by very carefully slowly easing the slide forward as he does in his video), and had tolerable accuracy out to 20 yards.

297. Why did the link to the counter review of this get removed? Seems a bit dishonest-

     http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/11/daniel-zimmerman/counterpoint-kevin-smith-reviews-the-hi-point-c-9/#comment-2288428

298. I bought the C9 on a whim, as far as semi-auto pistols go I own several Colts, Sigs, a Springfield and a Glock (Bought it due to the Blue Label Special…$400!). All of which are widely considered high quality firearms.

     Amazingly, I love this gun! I HAVE NO REASON TO PANDER TO HI POINT OR HI POINT FANS!! This gun has sufficiently surprised me, so much so that I feel compelled to share my experience.

     I’ve fired just over 600 rnds now through it WITH NO JAMS…no FTFs no DOUBLE FEEDS, nothing.

     I attribute this to simply polishing the feed ramp, keeping my mag fully loaded for 2 weeks and then while I’m netflix binging just cycling round through the mags.

     Would it be the 1st thing I go for when the fit hits the shan? Hell no. But would I trust my Hi Point (maybe just mine in particular) with my life? YES.

     P.S. Guys stop hating on the dude who wrote this review. He had a certain experience and reported it. Take it for what it is…IT’S ANECDOTAL.

299. i have boght one a few weeks ago but due to a resent brake in it was stolin and now me and my wife dont know what we are going to do we dont have much money it takes every thing we have to live on we scraped to buy that one and we loved it very good gun god bless you all

300. I have owned a C9 for several years. Saw it new at a gun show for $139 and thought what the heck. It’s heavy, it is ugly but it shoots everything I put in it. It also shoots straight. I would never carry it, and I keep a higher capacity pistol in night stand for home defense. It is my truck gun, it stays in console, and its cheap enough that if stolen I am not out much money. If I had limited finances and wanted an affordable gun to protect my home and loved ones I would not be afraid to depend on a C9. Like all of your guns, practice with it, get used to the trigger and the aim points and develop the confidence in it. The 9mm coming out of this ugly gun will kill the bad guy just as dead as one coming from a Glock.

301. 100 rounds thru mine blazer brass and magtech no issues yet I like it

302. I bought a C9 about 1.5 years ago. I don’t shoot it very much and it is my home defense gun. I have taken it to the range maybe 4 times? It was very accurate and no jams. I took it out this week to the range and it would not feed properly. Upon taking the mag apart, I found that the spring was broken right in the middle. It broke while loaded , at home, not being used. I am going to contact Hi-Point monday to get a warranty claim. I did find that a few other people have had the same issue.

303. I didn’t care for this guys bashing, I think they were revenge related. I own a 45 Hi-Point it shoot as well as most pistols I have shot or that I own. Other than the size of the gun is large, my hands are large so for me it feels and shoots just fine. I will buy another one soon! Also if it was really that bad, send it back and give them the chance to repair it. They have a lifetime guarantee.

304. OK Everyone
     I read the good and the bad about the C9, I use to own a 357 revolver years ago but was offered a good deal and sold it, I just bought the C9 and haven’t shot a gun in years at 7 yards I ran 3 clips through it 24 shots and hit the target every time yes my first ones was low and right but after remembering the one two and shoot thing I was hitting most of my shots in the middle of the target So I say for the buck this gun is going to do for me what I bought for, to protect my home I would want something a little smaller and lighter for concealed carry but the gun is very accurate even for some one like me fat and old so don’t bash this gun for $155 is a great deal

305. This is by no means a review. Please don’t take it seriously. The person writing this article clearly had their mind made up that this is a terrible gun before they ever received it. It’s biased, inaccurate, and exaggerated. At three yards, you don’t even have to really use the sights to at least hit the paper on a target of that size. So I think that entire part was total bs they made up in order to bash the brand; Either that or they’re just an incredibly bad shot. In either case they shouldn’t be writing reviews on firearms. I have a feeling this entire article was just them trying to show off how witty and funny they think they are (they’re not). It’s easy to make fun of Hi-points because they are ugly. And yes they do sometimes require a break in period (mainly the mags). But you know what? They work. Read the manufacturers instructions, BREAK IT IN. Guns are mechanical devices, just like an engine has a break in period, so do firearms of any manufacturer. Do that, sight them in, and you’ll be fine.

     Pathetic how this joke of a reviewer was so biased and transparent on a website called theTRUTHaboutguns.

306. You can tell by the way the reviewer holds the pistol in the short video clip, how he racks the slide, etc. that he is both unfamiliar with, inexperienced with, and/or inept around handguns. His grip is wrong, his thumb is in the wrong place, and his index finger is along side and touching the slide, not the trigger guard.
     Amateur.

307. I’d add that most anyone familiar with firearms knows that to raise the point of impact, you RAISE the rear sight, not lower it.

308. I’ve never had a problem with High Point I’ve shot The 40 45 380 an the 9 never once had problem with jamming or hitting the bullseye down range. They are a great hand gun for the money you can’t beat it! I’ve also shot Glocks Smith an Wesson and Beretta. I’ve had more accuracy an less problems with the high point than any other gun!

309. I have owned and fired a c9 for over a year and have found it to be very reliable, never a misfire or jam and all I did was clean the paint off the receiver before I used it. very good gun in my book.

310. Hey there, it’s been 5 years + since this , one sided article to trash a darn good firearm was written, did you ever return the C9?
     I spent seven years in the military, 3 of them as an 11bravo
     And I’ll tell you that those M 16’s jammed hung up , Miss fired , failed to feed and all all the pretty little words you can think of.
     If you would have used a $2000 Kimber you still wouldn’t hit anything if you treated it the way you did this.
     I purchased one of these this year 2016 it has been flawless and accurate , then I went and bought the carbine and what a sweet little thing that is.
     I’m pretty sure at the time the PR folks knew you were an AH so they probably sent you a bad one just so we could laugh at your dumb little biased article. Couldn’t hit at 9 ‘ ??
     Anyway this was the second time reading the dumbest review ever can’t figure out why truthaboutguns keeps this thing up.
     Adios

311. You really ought to learn how to shoot. It’s a great gun. Better built and more reliable than a lot of the overpriced stuff. You’re probably unhappy because its dawned on you that you made a mistake forking out $600 for something not as good. Are you a millennial? If so you should not have been allowed to handle a gun. Get a job first and have someone teach you haw to shoot.

     Criticizing is an easy thing to do. It’s the fall back for people who have done nothing. You would have sounded more intelligent if you had found what is good about the gun and admitted you are learning how to shoot.

     You are just not a great marksman or shooter at best. You also sound like a weenie and a cry baby. Have you ever been in the military? If not, you should enlist, if they will take you (doubt it). They may be able to help you grow up very fast. They may be able to teach you how to shoot and how to think. Reread the last item posted by the ex-military guy. You might learn something.

312. By the way, It’s also really a very beautiful gun – all the Hi Points.

313. I’ve owned a C-9 for a year and 2000 rounds. After breakin and sighting have had no misfires or jams. I like a heavier gun so I guess its right for me. Bought it on sale for $139.00 with 2 mags, case and tools. I don’t have any accuaracy problems with this gun but then again- I was born with the gift of bullseye.

314. Wow, this thread went on forever! Here’s my problem. How the hell can you miss a paper target at 9 feet? I mean c’mon now! That’s impossible! Or are you completely blind?

315. This article was worse then expected.
     I see why there is a follow up with the same gun by another reviewer.

     https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/11/daniel-zimmerman/counterpoint-kevin-smith-reviews-the-hi-point-c-9/

     “How the hell can you miss a paper target at 9 feet?”

     You cant, at least not in that way, even without sights, and with a pistol with a unriffeld barrel. But you can claim of course. Like you can tell you dont know how to hold a pistol without the slide cutting in your hand… well and then make a picture with open slide, but no cuts and blood of course.

     “Somehow, the folks at Colt had figured out how to make their blowback pistol slides not-so gianormous right around 1900 when they introduced the model 1903 and 1908 hammerless pistols. They must have been using technology from the future.”

     No, they just did it with .32 ACP, and later with .380 ACP. There are almost none simple blowback pistols with 9mm Luger which has way more higher pressure then .25/.32 ACP etc. Most stayed in prototype stage like the Walther MP (a bigger PP in 9mm Luger).
     The only blowback luger pistols other then the Hi-point I know are the Astra 600 that is heavier, and very hard to work the slide per hand because off an very tense recoil spring.

     And the Heckler&Koch VP70 which is more comparable to the hi-point, also in looks and weight. And also in concept as “Peoples Pistol”.

     What is true, that many C9 magazines tend to have feed issues (Common 1911 Problem, right?).
     That is caused by weak magazine springs, You can just bend the original one, the user “J.Dalton” on youtube has tutorials about fixing this issue.
     And you can buy Glock 43 magazine replacement springs that fit&run. And a little opening of the feedlips because the mags are designed für .380 ACP.

     The trigger? Well remember what the gun is designed for, but a triggerjob is also possible no rocket science here.

     Its a working 9mm luger pistol to the price of a blank gun. Break it in, adjust it to your needs. It will work, and if you train with it you will shoot as good as other guns with it.

316. I have a c9 9mm hypoint. The only trouble I have had with it is when I used some less than premium ammo. I went back to the Remington, UMC Remington yellow box or Federal ammo FMJ’s and haven’t had a problem with cycling or jamming since. Practice consistently at 7- 10 yards, which I personally think is the comprehending and reaction range to a threat, with the ghost ring. Pleased with the results. However, I do have a question: “Will firing +P ammo damage the weapon?”

317. OH NO!!!!!!!!! EVEN THOUGH THE IDIOT THAT TRIED TO ATTACK ME IS DEAD, AND I’M ALIVE, I SCRATCHED MY THUMB!!!!!!!!!!!! OH THE HUMANITY!!!!!!!!! THIS IS SO HORRIBLE!!!!!!!!! SOMEONE PLEASE HOLD ME!!!!!!!!!

318. I am in the UK and we can’t have handguns. Even this I would love to have to keep in my home to protect me and mine, I own shotguns but have to be kept locked and unloaded – by then I could be dead. The bad guys have the guns in the UK, Don’t let your rights go. I am normal, don’;t do drugs and value life. However, I am defenceless. I actually feel a lack of freedom and fear in my home. I have no choice alas.

319. Why would you continue to shoot that low at 3 yards instead of just adjusting the elevation?

     My hi point is arguably the worst gun I own by most peoples standards and I will never carry it over my XD, but I have had 0 of the issues you mentioned.

     The vibe I caught when reading this is that you were pissy they didn’t send you a free gun and wanted to get back at them. I guess every individual gun is different, but the ergonomics are acutally quite nice.

320. I have shot my Hi point C9 a lot, never once had a miss fire or jam it shoots where i aim. It is a little clumsy and don’t look so pretty but it is reliable for me with no problems of any kind. I was a police officer for 12 years shooting a 38 revolver, also a good gun.

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322. Im looking for a Hi Point C9 Frame. I have all the parts to put together a 2nd Hi point C9. The first C9 I bought at a gun store with a back ground check of course. But now that I bought all of these parts I’d like to build me a 2nd C9 for my Wife. If anyone has just a frame to sell let me know. The guy I bought these parts from broke his Frame and after he sold all the parts he was not aware of the life time warranty. It was to late because he had already discarded the Frame before selling me the parts.

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324. i have be shooting my C9 for a year it work well hi point back the gun to the fullest over 3000 rounds down range i like shooting my C9 love the recoil smooth action works best with remington ammo

325. I have been shooting my C9 for more than a year now . It works well. Hi point backs the gun to the fullest sent me all of the springs and firing pins. i enjoy my C9 over 3000 rounds down range. i love my C9

326. I have owned a 9MM Hi Point now for many years. I have hit water filled soda bottles and paper plates, my favorite targets, at 25′ with no problem. The only problem I ever had was the cartridge jamming I fixed this by relieving the two little clips at the top front of the main clip with a pair of needle nose pliers.

327. This review was written by a child.

328. First, I have NEVER seen so many comments on anything online, even videos of fly larvae being pulled out of somebody’s head. Second, I agree wholeheartedly with this article. Not so much on the brick handguns, which are built that way because it’s expedient and cheap and the company is raking in the cash, but their much vaunted carbines. I am of the opinion now that every positive review especially on the youtubes has been bribed, been given guns for free or otherwise been compromised by hi-point. I was swayed by all this praise for the guns and bought a .380 carbine only because I bought a Ruger LCP the year before. Not a gun guy FYI. Just want to stop the bad guy because I don’t feel like being stabbed, shot or getting involved in a fistfight I will surely lose. Rather shoot the piece of shit and deal with the liberal aftermath. {I’m no idiot conservative either, both sides are suckers for the propaganda. F the NRA and F the GOV and F the Left]. The carbine, after jumping through hoops just to buy one, jammed after 3 different magazines, 30 rounds and refused to work after that. Went back to the range and no change, it jammed repeatedly after 1 mag, same 3 magazines and 2 different ammo. Vance Outdoors who sold it to me offered to ship it back. Then the real bullshit started. Confusion reigns at Vance and Hi-point. In the end I am insulted by the shrew who answers the phone at Hi-point with the angry response of “I have things to do! I don’t have time to go looking for it!” in response to my innocent question of where was my gun and what is happening with it. I am done with Hi-point, a company that denies any wrongdoing in their associated company MKS over the table gun show sale of 181 handguns to a couple women from Cleveland and all the guns ended up on the black market! They weren’t FFL by the way. Just two hood rats fronting some ghetto piece of shit. Maybe if these things didn’t jam so often more gangstas would be culled from society.

329. Got the c9and the .45 versions two years ago both shoot great with any ammo put in them,they even shoot my reloads great, no trouble as of yet, but if it happens I will definitely use the warranty. Have otherauto pistols and revolvers of deferent makes and models and the hi points run right next to them.Be prepared and ready. Keep your powder dry.

330. I don’t own a hi point firearm but i have a friend who does.we fired off about 10 clips over the weekend and never had any problems hitting our target,we were shooting at 20 yards,you should hit a target at 9 feet with a dart gun,lol

331. when i went looking to buy a gun for my daughter i asked the salesperson about a hi point her i eyes widened and she slowly shook her head no., ]
     then i read all the favorable reports and today reading that a woman saved her and her familys wife with one speaks alot to the reliablity .
     i settled on a ruger sr-9 that was favorably reviewed in guns and ammo. i have to admit i am ruger fan,. im glad to hear someone save their familys life with and glad to read the number of favorable reviews

332. Even if this thing is accurate and reliable, I still wouldn’t get one even at $150 (which is really cheap!). It’s really ugly and cheap looking (which makes sense) to the extent it actually looks like a prop or toy gun. For maybe another $100 you can actually find some nice 9mm semi-autos on sale. Plus it’s just too big and bulky. For someone on a fixed budget or is really broke and just has to get a 9mm, then I can see that. Just not for me.

333. What demographic is assumed to buy Hi Point? Why do some reviewers feel the need to torture a Hi Point? (There’s a lot of that also on Youtube.) I.e., why cannot the Hi Point gun just get a simple desktop review and/or range test like every other gun?

     For his part, hickok45 on Youtube did something similar to the reputation of the BFR revolver, which is a fine tolerance, extremely accurate hunting revolver, that men like to buy because of its sheer power. Prior to his video, he ran lots of his dirty reloads through it. Never cleaned it. Then made his negative video. . . . He’s a shill that has a video suggesting there is no such thing as stopping power, and another saying that barrel size doesn’t matter; and he gives no notice of whether he is using FMJ or HP on targets —- all of which pushes the message resistance is futile.

     The gun community was infiltrated or co-opted all during the Obama years. And the demographic targeted is lower income black & white men. This is a large demographic due to outsourcing of the middle class economy. It’s a key demographic that the globalists most definitely do not want cooperating to defend the American Republic.

334. I have fired on of these guns and after reading your review agree with you on some points BUT do not agree with your picture of the slide rubbing you hand. I tried every way I could to duplicate you picture and could not. If you are holding it with a proper grip that can not happen.

335. Unlike some of the other detractors here I’m not going to goof on you for a bad review.
     Yea, hi-points can be a not-so-great-gun right out of the box. Some guns are, some aren’t.
     But for the price it’s a perfect gun to take down, do a little smithing and smoothing, a little tweaking and magazine fixing… there are several YouTube videos showing things to do to improve this gun.
     I’ve done several of these and now I have a weapon that will eat anything I feed it, is balls-on accurate, and warts at all it just plain works.
     EVERY time i take it to the range with multiple guns and multiple people, someone make that “shot of the day”, and its the hi-point.
     Sure, ya shouldn’t have to WORK so much with a gun to make it better, but the process is kinda fun and results in a gun that is far better than the bad rap HP’s get.
     Not the best, but at least a 3 – 3 1/2 star gun.

336. I think this review is bias and very unprofessional. Not sure who will hire this guy to do gun review? or he just post by himself to get some attention online?

     I got a brand new C9 and 2 extra mags over one year now. Shot in every session I visit gun range. Each time around 50 to 100 rounds. It only has one or 2 jams in first 2 visits. Last 4 visits no problem at all. Accuracy is good. I can put it inside A4 size target in 10 yards.

337. I want to do a gun review where I break your gun and then tell everyone what a POS it is for breaking. I can’t imagine why they’d be hesitant to send a gun to the firearms equivalent of Jackass. I’ve had a Hi-Point .45 pistol for about 15 years. My brother bought it on a lark for $125, shot it a few times then gave it to me. I shot it and decided in my youth that I’d get my Dremel out and give it a “trigger job”. Long story short, I really fubar’d it. It sat around for about 10 years until I called up Hi-Point, confessed to what is done and asked if they’d repair it for a fee. I was told to “just send it in, we’ll take care of it”. 2.5 weeks later I had a pistol in my hands that worked flawlessly. I’ve made plenty of jokes about it, but always with the disclaimer that despite everything it shoots every time and hours what I’m aiming at.

     If I were this childish writer, I don’t think I’d publish the fact I couldn’t make a headshot at 3 yards. Blame the gun, sure, but it ain’t the gun champ.

338. ” The first thing I did upon taking the C9 out of the box was fire 200 rounds as fast as I could load and fire it. As the pistol only came with one magazine, that took a while, but I had no malfunctions. Let me say that again: It went bang every time I pulled the trigger during my pre-test, during filming for Personal Defense and at my later range sessions where I tested it for accuracy.” James Tarr, Handguns Magazine, February 14, 2013.
     This writer obviously is biased against this brand. I have fired hundreds of rounds through this weapon, with NOT ONE JAM. If you don’t like the brand, just say it, instead of portraying the brand as useless.

339. It’s a shame this hit piece ranks so high in the search engines. How can you tell it’s a hit piece? Look at the photos. In the photo of the author holding the gun from the side, it’s clear his hand does not reach the height of the slide (where the red dot of the safety shows), yet in the photo that ALLEGEDLY shows the web of his hand being pinched, he is clearly gripping the gun at least a half inch higher than in the side picture. THIS MAKES THE AUTHOR A LIAR. But then again, he is a government employee and as we have found out in recent years, government employees have no problem telling lies to put forward their secret agendas. I will avoid articles published on TheTruthAboutGuns from now on. What a shameful piece of gun journalism.

340. Hi guys, I have been reading all or most of the reviews about the C-9 9mm so today i went to a gun show here in Clayton Georgia in the very north in the mountains. I’ll be 73 in a few weeks i am X army 19K is my MOS Tank Commander, my side arm was a colt 45 past down from other commanders at 50 feet maybe you could feel good. so i bought the C-9 5 hours ago and looking forward to a fun time. just so you know i work out 5 times a week and stand tall,i have enough money to buy a higher price weapon i am primarily a shot gun guy so this will be different . Vietnam 1968 F troop 17th Armored Cavalry. any vets out there.. [email protected] it would be nice hearing from you and the experience wit your C-9.

341. Please ignore this ridiculous “review.” Biased and silly. A literal joke. I have a C9 that I bought without ever firing one because I saw it at gun shows and read all about it online and was curious about it. Honestly, it was inexpensive, and I wanted something different. The gun performs just fine. None of the baloney this guy writes about jibes with my experience at all. I have put about 500 rounds through it of nothing but cheap range ammo and it works like a charm. Very accurate, easy to shoot, fun to use. I swapped out the regular sight for the Ghost Ring which works better for me as I wear glasses. Came with a case for $200 total and I bought an extra mag for about $20, so there you have it. Plus, made in the USA by people who care about gun owners. What more can you ask?

342. quite simple you cannot take a brand new firearm out of a box and not take it apart and do proper oiling and cleaning and whatnot see as a freshly made gun so of course it’s not going to operate right. yes the clips suck no big deal you take a pair of pliers you spread apart the front load of the part a little bit and it feeds just fine I have one of these C9 high points and I carried every day and rely on it everyday and when I go to the range it performs flawlessly otherwise ex-military would not love the gun

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