https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9YJc2Gxkis
It was hard to shake an AR at last year’s SHOT Show without hitting a pistol caliber carbine. They’re all the rage these days, including Ruger’s new PC Carbine seen here, but did you know Ruger’s been making semi-auto PCCs for almost 60 years?
My grandpa has a Model 44 from the 70’s, which he’s shipping out to me in the next couple weeks. Production on those began in 1961. The Deerfield Carbine was, in effect, a .44 Mag Mini-14 made from 2000 to 2006. Finally, the Police Carbine is a 90’s version of the very subject of this review.
Of course, none of those were a takedown design. And none of those featured a threaded muzzle. Nor did they take GLOCK mags.
Yes, that’s right, this gun from Ruger comes with a magazine well adapter for GLOCK magazines. Installed from the factory, though, is the insert for the more obvious choice: Ruger magazines. SR series and Security-9 mags will work, and a 17-round SR9 magazine is included with the PC Carbine (or a 10-round mag with a non-threaded muzzle for restricted states).
A Ruger American Pistol magazine well insert is sold separately, and it’s fair to anticipate other brand/model inserts as well. They’ll all be available on Brownells here.
It’s called a mag well insert because, well, you insert it. Down through the top of the stock, it’s held in place primarily by the receiver.
Both Ruger mags and GLOCK mags reliably locked the bolt open on empty. Magazines inserted easily and locked into place properly. Both magazines wobble more in the magazine well than I’d like, but without a single feeding issue encountered I think it’s fair to say Ruger has it figured out.
Spacers allow for length-of-pull adjustment on the fixed, glass-reinforced nylon stock. From 12.62″ to 14.12″, in half-inch increments.
A reciprocating charging handle ships from the factory installed on the right side of the PC Carbine’s bolt (see above), but is easily switched to the left side (see below). Likewise, the magazine release can be switched from side to side (note: it has to be on the left side for Gen3 and older GLOCK mags).
All tools required for disassembling and adjusting the PC Carbine — namely, three hex wrenches — are included.
Integrally-machined into the top of the 7075 aluminum receiver is a Picatinny rail for an optic. Shield RMS seen above.
For lights, lasers, bipods, or coffee makers, a short Pic rail section is molded into the front of the handguard. There’s a replaceable sling swivel stud up there as well, and a molded-in stud adorns the buttstock.
The rear sight (a ghost ring sight) is easily adjustable for elevation and is drift adjustable for windage. The entire sight is also easy to remove from the barrel to allow for additional scope clearance, should you choose to run a large optic.
Up front is an anti-glare serrated, protected blade sight.
At the muzzle, standard 1/2×28 threads allow for the mounting of suppressors and other accessories. Threads are clean and precise and the shoulder is generous.
The factory thread protector smartly uses an o-ring to prevent it from walking loose, even when only finger tight.
To break the PC Carbine down into fore and aft halves, lock the bolt to the rear. Then pull forwards on the release latch underneath the handguard and twist the front half about 45 degrees (clockwise if you’re looking down the rifle in the normal fashion).
Then simply pull the two halves apart.
Re-assembly is more or less the opposite, except you don’t have to touch the release latch. Simply insert barrel into receiver at the correct orientation, and twist to lock in place.
Broken down, the PC Carbine is a fairly compact package. The barrel half is about 16.25″ in total length and the stock half, with a single recoil pad spacer installed, is about 20″ in length.
Less so, of course, with a long suppressor like my Liberty Cosmic in place and a 33-round GLOCK mag sticking out. But it’s still a compact package if not entirely light in weight. The PC Carbine, sans accessories, clocks in at 6.8 lbs.
Some of that is down to the bolt itself. It’s a honkin’ large chunk of chrome-moly steel…
With “a custom tungsten dead blow weight that shortens bolt travel and reduces felt recoil and muzzle rise.” That tunsten weight — this one marked with a “1” — fits loosely into its recess in the bolt so it can slide forward and back. Just a tiny amount, mind you, but it’s supposed to be enough for that “dead blow” action.
What I do know is that it’s quiet when suppressed. Far quieter than a 9mm AR. There’s less pop out of the action and the action noise itself is quieter. Also, there’s no gas blowback to the face whatsoever.
Much of this I attribute directly to the PC Carbine’s large, heavy bolt. It cycles smoothly and solidly and seems to delay the action enough to reduce ejection port pop.
But what if I wanted to run .45 ACP or 10mm or some other caliber that’s more powerful than 9mm?
Ruger appears to have built the answer — the solution — to that question right into the PC Carbine from the get-go. I have to assume the “1” on the tungsten weight marks it for 9mm use and maybe .40 S&W and such as well. Maybe there’s a “2” planned for .45 and a “3” planned for 10mm? Who knows. But a boy can hope. Recoil spring weights could be changed, too.
Did any of our eagle-eyed readers spot it in the previous photo? The bolt face is a separate piece! With nothing but a strong fingernail or a small flat head screwdriver, it can be removed from the bolt carrier. If this isn’t for the express purpose of easy caliber changes, I’m the pope in the woods pooping on bears.
Let’s not forget that the PC Carbine is also a takedown. So let’s break a caliber conversion process down:
• Take it down
• Remove receiver from stock via two captive bolts
• Remove trigger pack and bolt from receiver
• Remove bolt head from receiver
• Install new bolt head, new extractor, and new tungsten weight. Let’s call them #3s for 10mm Auto use.
• Re-install in receiver and re-install receiver in stock
• click on a 10mm barrel
Talk about easy caliber change. The takedown design makes swapping the barrel the fastest part of the whole process.
You may have also noticed that the PC Carbine’s trigger pack has extreme similarities with that of the Ruger 10/22. Well, they aren’t compatible. Some or most of the internal components are the same as 10/22 components, though, so aftermarket options shouldn’t take long.
Not that you’d need or want them, other than maybe a different trigger bow just for looks. The factory trigger here is great. After a little take-up, the shooter is rewarded with a crisp break at about 3.25 to 3.5 pounds. Then a short, crisp reset.
It’s a fantastic trigger. Far nicer than I would have expected in a gun like this, $525 going rate or twice that.
Throwing a Leupold VX-3i LRP 4.5-14×50 scope on the little PCC, I set down to accuracy testing. Nothing fancy, I just rested the front of the PC Carbine on a sandbag and free-handed the rear.
My target ended up at a perfectly random 59 yards, so keep that range in mind when viewing the following results:
American Eagle 147 grain flat nose.
IMI 158 grain FMJ.
Precision Delta 124 grain XTP. Yes, that is five shots. So, it’s fair to say that the PC Carbine is a very accurate rifle with the correct ammo.
Since this group was so good, I removed the barrel then re-installed it, and shot a three-round group (sorry, I’m low on this ammo and wanted to save a final five rounds for a future test):
About a half inch or tree-quarters inch higher, maybe, but pretty darn good. That’s two bullets through the top hole there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9YJc2Gxkis
With 500 rounds of mixed ammunition sent downrange, including extremely lightly-loaded range fodder reloads, 100 grain frangible, three brands of hollow points, and 165 grain HUSH subsonic, it’s fair to say the PC Carbine is reliable.
I had a singular failure early on with the reloads, where the action cycled and the next round chambered, but the hammer wasn’t cocked. I think it short-stroked due to a particularly weak load. Outside of that, it fed, fired, and ejected reliably, smoothly, and consistently and never suffered another stoppage for any reason. It locked back on empty every time.
Just like the Security-9, I’m bullish on the PC Carbine. Ruger, despite its 60 years of pistol caliber carbine production, is a couple years late to the game in this current PCC resurgence. However, they have another winner on their hands.
With an MSRP of $649 and an at-retail price closer to $500, it undercuts much of the competition on price while beating most of it on utility and features. The PC Carbine is a caliber-swap capable, takedown, threaded, reliable, ambidextrous, accurate little PCC with an excellent trigger and swappable mag wells. And, yes, it does take GLOCK mags.
Specifications: Ruger PC Carbine
Caliber: 9mm
Capacity: 17 rounds
Barrel Length: 16.12″
Overall Length: 34.37″
Length of Pull: 12.62″ to 14.12″
Sights: Adjustable ghost ring rear, protected blade front
Barrel Features: threaded 1/2×28, fluted, 1:10″ twist
Receiver: 7075 T6 aluminum, Type III hardcoat anodized
Stock Material: glass-filled nylon synthetic
Weight: 6.8 pounds
MSRP: $649 ($480 via Brownells)
Ratings (out of five stars):
Reliability * * * * *
The PC Carbine was 100 percent reliable for me after an early short-stroke incident with a weak reload.
Accuracy * * * * *
There’s really no “standard” for pistol caliber carbines, but I’m going to go ahead and say that the PC Carbine is as good as I could envision asking for here. With that 124 grain, fairly precisely-loaded ammo, it was putting bullets through the same hole at 59 yards and turned in about a three-quarter inch, five-round group.
Ergonomics * * * *
Traditional rifle ergonomics rather than AR ergonomics, but it’s very good for what it is. With an adjustable length-of-pull plus side-swappable charging handle and magazine release, it caters to all types.
Customize This * * * *
In addition to the ambidextrous features mentioned above, the PC Carbine has a nice Picatinny rail on the receiver and a short section on the handguard. Plus adjustable stock spacers and a threaded muzzle. Not to mention I’m keeping my fingers crossed for caliber conversions.
On The Range * * * * *
The PC Carbine is a ton of fun to shoot. It’s accurate, reliable, extremely quiet when suppressed, and it has a fantastic trigger.
Overall * * * *
Ultimately, for me this is a five-star gun in a three-star stock. Were I a Product Manager at Magpul I’d be cranking out a backpacker style design for this guy now, and working with Ruger on creating a factory “Charger” version of this in an SB Tactical pistol-braced, AR grip-accepting stock. Regardless, the PC Carbine is destined to be extremely popular, and for good reason.
Dang it Jeremy. Now I want one. Good pics of it torn apart.
Haha sorry.
And thanks.
Apologies if I missed it in the review, but can one use Glock 19 mags, or just Glock 17/18?
Thanks
ANY length Glock 9mm mag will work… even one for the 26.
Thanks – I think I finally found my trunk gun, since it looks like this should be legal in NY too.
Today is 6/19/18 and I have butted into this thread to spread this good news:
My brand new Ruger PCC ran flawless using Glock 23 mags!
Yes, it’s a .40 cal mag and I filled it with 9’s and it ran perfect. Mag after mag.
I have also used the same for when I run my LoneWolf conversion 9 barrel in my G23.
You don’t need to buy extra 9mm mags for that conversion.
I be so happy that all my .40 cal Glock mags will work in the Ruger.
Can’t wait until Ruger releases .40 cal barrels and dead blow weights conversion kits.
Dear Ruger… also need it in .45 & 10mm.
Will Masterson says (you know the cowboy) the angle on the clip is the same as a Beretta magazine. so take a small flathead screwdriver and cut a slot in Beretta magazines to match the slot in the SR9 magazine that comes with the Ruger PCC. Then cut a credit card down to the same size as the back of a Beretta magazine. Put the Beretta magazine in the rifle, put the credit card behind the magazine and have fun. Takes about 30 minuets including taking apart the magazine and sanding off the burr and putting the magazine back together! Now your Beretta 92 and your Ruger PPC mach 1 magazine 2 guns, just think of the possibilities!
Why do that Ruger is going to be releasing magwells for both Sig P226 and Beretta 92F.
Good. They should release mageells for the Hi-power and the HK P30 and USP series.
where did you read that about Beretta and Sig magwell inserts?
This gives me wood!
“Is it wrong that I have an erection?”
“It would be wrong if you didn’t!”
Wait until it is in 10mm. Check your wood then. And I will check mine!
I just got my PC Carbine on Black Friday when Academy Sports had them from 399 here in FL. I figured it would be cool to have a second 9mm carbine in the house but this one take the same mags as the Glocks the other take Colts/Uzi mags. When I first saw the PC Carbine I knew that Ruger had a WINNER and something that was going to be VERY Modular Specially with the way the Bolt is Designed and how the Barrel can be Tighten against the receiver. I cannot Wait till the Other Calibers become Available and the Conversion Kits are OUT! 10mm Auto MAJOR RAPTURE!
I think 10mm would be better in something with a delayed action, as opposed to straight blowback
Yep, Ruger hit a home run with this. I will be buying one, sets me back on other things, but this is an actual utility rifle, that I have a good use for.
It’s definitely added another variable to my “what do I buy next” decision process. Example: at the current top of my acquisition list, a carry piece in 9mm. I’ve been wanting a SR9c ever since I first laid eyes on it years ago. Then Remington brought out the R51. Two years later they got it working and I still want one.
So. Given my meagre income, I can get a pretty piece with nice lines but limited capacity (R51), or a variable capacity but still concealable piece that would also have the ability to be used as a companion to this cool new carbine that has caught my eye.
Once again, Ruger has made the decision easy for me. My next purchase will be the SR9c and I’ll put the carbine shortly after that on the Wish List.
🤠
You will love the SR9C, it does everything well along with being very accurate.
Shut up and take my money.
If I had money they would be shutting up and taking it.
Same here. I’ve been wanting a 9mm carbine for a while, and it looks like this one beats all the others hands-down.
Looks pretty cool…I love the idea of a 10mm carbine. So many guns-not enuf dough😖
Oh yeah! I’d be all over a 10mm version.
#metoo!
I lol’d
Make mine .45 ACP to compliment my Redhawk w/moon clips. Thank you very much!
You tease. PCC 45. If only. Soonish
Good review.
Yep, one of these will be added to the collection as soon as possible. #winner
RUGER. Put these sights on a 10/22 (Appleseed model). Please
Looks like I will be heading out to purchase one of these in the next few months
because I love a nice pistol caliber carbineas a gift for a family member who iswrongleft handed — and will most likely carry a Glock 9mm handgun. There is something to be said for magazine and ammunition commonality between a handgun and a carbine.Careful, us Lefties are sinister!
Well done, sir. Well done.
That was seriously gauche.
Man, this community is strange. On the one hand, you have idiots like Pwrserge, and on the other, you have people who make linguistic/chemistry jokes…It’s almost like people are complicated and can’t be reduced to one-dimensional caricatures or something.
Go easy on Pwrserge. He may be high strung but his heart is in right place. That guy knows what he’s talking about. Communism is a scourge.
We are only sinistral on one side. ; )
Left is right.
right is wrong when nothing else is left.
As for myself, I will purchase one as soon as Ruger sells one chambered in .40 S&W with a Smith and Wesson M&P pistol compatible magazine well.
I might also have to run out and buy one if Ruger sells one chambered in 10mm auto with a Glock compatible magazine well.
Why would you want to wait? Buy the 9mm now. Later you will have an excuse to get the barrels and caliber conversions for the .40 S&W, 10mm, .45 ACP, and so on. That’s my story and I am sticking to it.
i don’t usually like these things but this is a step above the rest, with a price to match. if it were under 400, it would be more appealing.
Most anything but a HiPoint is more attractive when it is under $400.
If Hi Point ever threads their 9mm carbine, they will rule the world at their price level. A 20 round magazine is already available.
Will this Ruger 9mm Luger carbine handle +P cartridges?
The manuals says yes.
Like that surplus overpressure Israeli black tip 9mm ‘SMG only’ ammo?
Ruger is killing it right now
The second I saw the initial product release I knew I wanted one, now after watching a couple videos on it, and this review, I want one even more.
And I may just get a Security 9 to go with it, even though I have an SR9.
Because guns. 😉
I actually want to get both the pistol and the carbine. This is going to seriously mess up my budget. I hate you, Ruger.
If any smart retailers are reading this, they might think of a Carbine/Security-9 package deal price for customers like you.
Would that help?
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Wow that’s an excellent idea.
Would definitely buy!
Been thinking of getting a Sig P320, but maybe a Security 9 is “good enough” for half the price for a range/home defense gun.
That’s good shooting for a PCC. IMO they’re actually hard to get accuracy out of.
In 45 acp with a can please. 10mm would be great also to go with my G20.
Hopefully Ruger will soon decide to include a bag like the one included with the Ruger 10/22 Take-down
Bought a 10-22 takedown several months ago, truly love it. The bag alone is worth 25 bucks, or so.
I still have my 90s vintage PC40 and always felt it was a good gun for the money. I shot it basically as a 75 yard max distance gun.
About $350 back then.
My only wish today was that I had bought the then weaker 9mm version back then.
This new gun and with the ballistic improvements in 9mm ammo should make it a good seller for Ruger.
I want one. You want one. That guy over there wants one. Everyone wants one.
I’m inclined to wait a year though. I recently bought the M&P M2.0 after missing my much loved “1.0” that seemed to have it all fixed lest the perfect size until they released the M2.0 Compact. Thankfully I only lost about $30 going from one pistol to the other all in all.
I’m cautiously optimistic that Ruger will then expediently come out with a variant that addresses the few shortcomings that the consumers and the aftermarket haven’t addressed themselves. That will be the one I will buy.
Or due to my lack of self control when it comes to guns I’ll just buy it when Magpul releases that stock we all know they are already hard at work designing despite no mention of intention. And when Ruger or someone releases the M&P mag adapter. I mean, what else is there to improve?
Hmm. You do have a point, and yet, I still want this version, and yet I know, I just know, that Ruger will release a fabulous new version of it with something I can’t live without.
So many guns, so little time.
Jeremy – Just curious why you’re using the steel FBA on a pistol caliber rifle, instead of Liberty’s aluminum “Low-Profile”.
If its just what you have on hand now, would you consider the smaller aluminum mount worth it?
I just haven’t bought the low profile one yet. The problem is, if I buy one I’m going to buy two, because I’d want one for my Scorpion with its 18×1 threads or whatever weird thread pitch it has, and another one in 1/2×28, and then I’m in it for like a hundred bucks. So, for the time being, I’m just plugging along with the standard mounts and the slightly longer length of ’em.
Thre@ded b@rrel – an assault weapon in CT (aka ‘the constitution state’).
Your lack of reading disturbs me. 10 round mag and non-threaded barrel for ban states, it’s printed right in the blog.
The threaded barrel configuration IS legal in Connecticut. They removed threaded barrel and bayonet feature from the AW description when they re-wrote the law going from 2 evil features to one evil feature. You can find this on the CT judiciary web site. This firearm is currently being offered for sale in CT with a threaded barrel and a 10 round magizine which is all is allowed by law.
The swapable magwell makes me think…. Could a cali gun maker build an AR-lower with a detatchable magazine well, and easily affordable spares so you swap the whole well instead of removing the magazine?
Loopholes! Loopholes everywhere!
One would have to carefully read the California wording to see if they’d still consider a magazine well that changes out, without removing a magazine, a detachable magazine.
That would be awesome for those in California. Not being a Californian, and never having read the law, my inkling is it wouldn’t pass muster.
That said, being technically correct is the best kind of being correct and I would love if this could happen.
Pretty sure you would still need to disassemble the firearm’s action to remove it to be Ca. legal.
Its fine in Calif doesn’t meet AW regulations. No pistol grip, no collapsing stock, no flash hider, no fun, just kidding. Think Mini 14/30, M1A no difference good to go
Why yes, technically you could have done this. You should have kept that to yourself until you got the patent approved. Better submit it quick!
I don’t believe in keeping freedom-aiding technology to myself!
Absolutely NOT. The pistol grip kills it. California is a removable mag and one feature state.
But it is perfectly legal in its current configuration, as long as you do not have a flash hider attached at the end; and given that it is a pistol caliber carbine, neither a flash hider or a brake is in any way necessary or desirable. It counts as a “featureless” rifle which is legal to sell, and does not need to be registered as an “assault weapon” since featureless rifles are not “assault weapons.” Currently, I think there is just one, maybe two PCCs on the market here because PCCs have pistol grips or thumbhole stocks.
I look forward to seeing this one.
This is the 9mm carbine I’ve been waiting for: non-AR style, accepts Glock mags, made by a top tier manufacturer, and priced in the $500 ballpark.
They’re a little scarce and premium-priced right now. So I’ll hang back until the hype dies down.
Century Arms is releasing their NAK-9 AK pistol shortly after SHOT show. It’s an 11″ barrel 9MM AK pistol that takes Glock magazines, and has a section of pic rail on the dustcover. Before you ask, it’s not manufactured by Century like the RAS-47 or C39V2, it’s made by Cugir in Romania, so no trunnions/bolts/bolt carriers made from cheddar cheese.
Also accepts all AKM/Draco furniture, so you can dress it up however you want.
And Kalashnikov USA is teasing the KR9 again (Vityaz/Saiga-9 clone), so *MAYBE* it actually goes on sale this year. The reviews on the KS-12 shotgun are good. They’re better made than the Russian guns, compatible with all the existing accessories and aftermarket parts, and best of all, not subject to 922R.
“They’re a little scarce and premium-priced right now. So I’ll hang back until the hype dies down.”
Brownells has them in stock for $525 (link here). And coupons are usually available (coupon code H7L right now is $20 off orders of $200 or more).
I’m with you. 9 MM is cheap and always available. Great little carbine.
will aluminum cased 9mm function in tis rifle?
This “debate” over brass, steel, aluminum cased ammunition is getting way out of hand! All of them WORK. It is just a matter of HOW one wants them to work! Ranges (and I have been managing ranges for near on 40 years) don’t like anything except brass cased ammo since that precludes having to sort out the steel/aluminum cases so the range sweepings can be sold and/or reloaded. That just leaves the Berdan/Boxer primed issue! Most aluminum cases are not intended to be reloaded since aluminum is less ductile and doesn’t expand or resize well and compromises case structure for any subsequent loadings The issue isn’t if the case can take the pressure, but keeping bullet/case tension when cycling!!! It ain’t purty when the bullet gets shoved down into the case during feeding!!! There are those that state they have reloaded aluminum cases several times with no issue, but all it takes is ONE!!!
Long term use of steel cased in NON-MILITARY grade guns MAY exacerbate operating issues, but look at all those areas where there is only steel cased ammo available. Not much choice on what to use!!! Steel cased and aluminum to a degree, are treated with some kind of coating to reduce corrosion/rust/oxidation from affecting the ammo. Over time, that treatment may transfer and/or build up (accumulate) in the chamber of the weapon and lead to “issues!” YMMV
I have heard of many instances where specific firearms do not extract aluminum cased ammo well. Mostly in direct blowback guns. I think the question is valid here. I didn’t test for that so, unfortunately, can’t confirm whether or not the Ruger is cool with a given brand or aluminum cases in general.
What is this Precision Delta 124 grain XTP of which you speak?
It isn’t on their site right now. I got a box as a sample from them and it has proven extremely accurate in quite a few firearms. They claim to load to tight tolerances and so far the results have backed that up. https://www.precisiondelta.com/products/ammunition/
I bought my camp 9 for a little over 3 bills on sale 20 yr ago , now they go for $700 and up on gunbroker.
It is a wonderfully accurate and fun gun. The rifled size barrel gives it a noticeably harder whack than my 9mm handgun.
this shows there is clearly and unserved market for this type of gun out there
Thank you for a great review.
The only thing I disagree you with is that the rear sight is not a ghost ring, it is a peep sight. A ghost ring needs to be close to the eye. That is the biggest fault I seen this carbine. The rear sight needs to be moved to the back of the receiver and a taller front sight used. It would also allow for cowitness for a red dot sight or other optic.
A peep sight like that on the barrel works very well on my lever guns.
In this gun it allows the takedown function to not affect iron sight zero. If you had the front post on the barrel and the rear on the receiver, you’d affect your zero every time you take it apart. This negates that problem.
Although it didn’t seem like there was much shift if I’m reading the article correctly, 1/2 to 3/4 with only a few test rounds.
Ruger’s calling it a ghost ring, so I just went with their word choice. I’m quite happy with the size of it. It’s small enough to be precise but large enough to be fast. It’s the correct size for its distance from your eye, basically. If it were smaller I’d definitely agree and say that it’s a peep sight, but it’s big enough that I’m fine with them calling it a ghost ring. It isn’t an olympic style or CMP long range style or other precision-oriented peep sight. Some of those are quite close to the eye, by the way. The relative size of the hole changes depending on its distance from your eye, so in my mind it’s more of a visual size thing that determines “ghost” or “peep” rather than distance.
I’ll stick with my HK-94 thanks
Shoot any 165gr with it?
I’ve found that to be exceptionally accurate in my 9mm AR though not significantly more quite with the suppressor.
I did shoot some but didn’t accuracy test with it.
You guys better not procrastinate , I’ve already placed orders for two of these , I going to have one to hold the Glock mags and one the SR mags , , I own two SR9’s and a boat full of the mags so I’m really down with this .
Just got em and I’m heating the barrels . Looking real good . Paid under five .
Looks awesome, and loves the review.
I want one.
Go to brownells. They are in stock for $525. I also got free shipping and 10% off for a grand total of 482.50!
You must’ve gotten lucky and placed your order at just the right time immediately after they logged in a goods receipt into their system. They’ve been back ordered there for weeks and continue to be.
When I started writing this review yesterday afternoon and while I was finishing it up this morning, they were in stock the whole time (here). They do allow backorders, but they were in stock for a good 18 hours straight at a minimum today and yesterday. I’m sure they have another massive order placed haha
Has anybody tried one with a 50 or 100 round Glock style drum magazine? Just because. I’ve got enough in the mad money account to do a 9mm AR or Ruger PC and as a Ruger fan (LCP, Single 6, 10/22, Mini 30, and Super Redhawk) I’m impressed. I’ve got lots of 9mm reloads and a couple of .50 cal ammo cans of brass.
I’m really, really hoping for a Charger version. Short, light, mild recoil, low muzzle blast, high capacity, easy to aim, and affordable; that would be just about the perfect home defense gun for new shooters.
There’s one other interesting possibility, Ruger already makes an integrally suppressed barrel for the 10/22 so it’s a short step to a SilentSR-9. I also really want to see a mag well for S&W M&P magazines since that’s my 9mm of choice, and a popular Kel-tec Sub2000 option.
I wish this was in 10mm or 44 magnum.
Yeppers, .44 Mag and I’m in.
Running off their old .44 mag rotary magazines (which I think held 4 rounds?) or off of Desert Eagle mags or something? But I’m fairly sure .44 mag is not compatible with a straight blowback action.
Beats me, but if Ruger can make it happen in .44 Mag then I’m in. After market goodies will follow (mags of varying capacity, furniture, etc.)
Oh now that’s a thought, a gas gun version using Deagle mags!
🤯🤯
Still want the 9mm though!
“Some or most of the internal components are the same as 10/22 components”
Does this include the crappy 10/22 bolt release or does it have an auto bolt release?
Seven pounds. Before ammo and accessories. Are you serious? It may break down and yeah its nifty, but a pack rifle this aint. Might as well just build a 300blk shorty if you need something supressed at that weight and cost. With PSAs current specials, im out the door on that for under $400.
I wont even get into sub2000s which are coming into widespread availability nthese days, because those are an aquired tasted (ergonomic cluster f*ck). But sure. Omg!omg!itsarugeritsaruger!
Sigh.
If a seven-pound load is enough to break you, maybe you’d be better off sticking to NERF.
Hats off to Ruger. This was a great move….I’m surprised Glock or Springfield didn’t jump on this years ago. Ruger even has a version that is legal in NewYorkistan without the threaded barrel. Nice home defense weapon.
All great, but why not nitride the barrel?
I have Glocks and an SR9c, but I use neither as regular carry pieces. In fact, I’d planned on selling the SR9c for awhile. Sounds like I should reconsider. Granted, if they ever came across with CZ-75 mag-well inserts then it’d be a no-brainer for me….
Well, dammit. There goes another six hundred bucks flying out of my wallet.
Make it in 40 SW, 45 ACP (with glock mags), and 44 mag and I’m happy.
Love everything about it except the weight. It’s too heavy for it’s purpose. It will be a big hit though, and a top seller.
I have a PC9 and PC40. This will be my the next gun I buy. So cool.
For the gentleman who reviewed and disassembled it. Will my $300 custom 10/22 trigger pack swap in? You said no rather shortly, please explain more. I have seen some things online that say it should. Thank you!
Dang I am torn…wait for Ruger to make this carbine in 10mm (the easily removable bolt face, recoil elements, and slide strongly suggest this is a natural evolution) or go with it in this 9mm configuration. 10mm would make a great deer brush gun but the suppressed 9mm using subsonic heavy rounds would be very quiet. Okay, I guess I go with it now and forgo the 4k tv in the future to save up for the eventual 10mm version…
To all that do not have a chance to compare this to the OLD PC-9 carbine this new PC will be an OK choice. But in recently acquiring a 1996 Ruger PC-9 with 3-32 round clips may I elaborate. First is take down, just compare the parts schematics and the fewer parts wins, that would be the OLD version. It takes one screw and one pin to disassemble the old model down to exposed trigger group parts. Anyone who says this is a hard gun to take a part never read the manual and followed it. Second is recoil, from what I can see the dead bolt is just a beefed up version of a 10-22. The OLD PC-9 had a substantial weight forward in the grip area and transferred the recoil quite nicely. I feel Ruger has abondoned the OLD PC-9 owners buy discontinuing support for these guns which will be around for a long time.
Was going to get an Scorpion Evo, scratch that. +300 bucks less and uses glock mags? Takedown and a Ruger. I’m all in. Just have to find one!
Found one. Kittery Trading $550 shipped! Can’t wait, like x-mas! 🙂 Gonna install my Sightmark Photon XT on it and pop yotes!! Hopefully using sub ammo it will have enough power if not I’ll use HST. I will also try the ARX ammo, don’t know if will be accurate inside 100 yards. Playtime. 🙂
I was hitting coke cans at 80 yards the first time I shot mine, with open sites. This gun is definitely, infinitely better than the Keltec Sub 2K.
lhstr, Just got mine today, I have glocks 17, 19, 26 and all mags intermix. I understand if bolt is inserted on left side it will take older glock gen. mags too (those older mags are not amerdexous)spl.
I will own one ASAP. Everything I’ve wanted. I’ll bet Magpul will make things for it I’ll have to have. Thanks Ruger!
Just got mine today. WOW! I love the fact that it feels like a real rifle not some dam plastic toy. If needed you could knock somebody out with it. Solid built. Fit and finish, grip areas are perfect. This is a Home Run for Ruger!!!!
Something odd….. I have a G17L w/ 3 glock mags. The Glock mags won’t lock in on the new carbine??? I don’t know what Gen the Glock is but it has the finger grooves??? What gives?? My old 33 rd stick mag works in both???? Weird. Luckly I ordered a new G17 and G26 mags they fit fine.(notches on both sides) The 10 round G26 mag sticks out about and inch. I thought it might be the notches but they are the same (one) on the 33 rd mag.
Shot it today. Woohoo! I like it. Tried several types of ammo and brass/steel cased stuff. All fed. I was impressed with the accuracy. Put my Sightmark Photon XT 4.6 on it. Rocks. Was able to hit the steel @ 300 yards. (had to aim 6 feet high 🙂 but I could hit it. All the “subsonic’ ammo wasn’t thru the carbine. Boxes said 950fps. Still had the crack thru the carbine. Shot Winchester ,Federal ,Browning ,monarch ,PMC. The Fed and PMC was 115 grain. Win and Browning was 147, monarch was 145. I’m gonna try some +P and some ARX and see what’s what.
Impressive accuracy even at insane (for 9mm) distances (300) 0 to 100 yards tiny groups. I’m sure the rifle is more accurate than I am. Also tried my Bushnell TRS-25 w /med riser can still use the irons with it on there. You can dump a full mag on target easy. Surprisingly the steel case monarch 145g seems to be the most accurate.Bang on.
Put 250 rounds through mine this weekend. Shot 124gr +p, and 147 gr with my suppressor. Was flawless and very accurate out to 50 yds. Don’t have longer shots at my range, so cannot comment on longer shots, but I will say it was dead on out of the box at 35-50yds. Did the usual functions checking, slow shooting for accuracy, all the way to fast mag dumps. Added a little rem oil to help it smooth along. All good, EXCEPT… with the suppressor I had a fair amount of trash in my face. And, the real problem, with the suppressor (tried both types of ammo) I had 1-3 failures per mag. My friend and I figured out it was short stroking as it was not resetting the trigger. So I would rack it and an Unfired round would toss out and another unfired would feed in, then it would shoot. This happened consistently thought the 250 rounds. Only when suppressed though…. Another problem to work out. Bummer, I really like the gun…
Well that sucks. I’d try different ammo. Another thing, I don’t know if it matters but how tight did you have the barrel attached? You know the knurled nut on the forend. I set mine as tight as seemed reasonable. (no forcing anything) It’s amazing how ONE click it can go from loose-ish to overtight. I’m very pleased with the carbine. Spun 500 rds thru mine only hiccup was on the initial charging, (1st shot)I think it was me pushing on the glock mag that did it.
Had it tight, I would expect it should be. As these come out this month I’ll be interested if anyone else has issues while suppressed.
What street prices are you guys seeing? Field & Stream has them advertised for $600 which seems pretty high based on the MSRP.
Kittery Trading $525.00. + 25 shipping. No TAX, No CC charges.
I still haven’t figured out why my old Glock 17L mags don’t work in the carbine? Also heads up Gunmagwherehouse sells mags for like $20 cheaper than any retail outlet. New glock G17 mags for 19.99……….
Only issue is the rail under the forearm is just too short to lock my surefire or streamlight lights. Needed 1 more rail section or remove the front stud, or move it back a half inch. Otherwise a nice rifle.
Do you mean it wouldn’t, for instance, have enough rail space to lock on a Streamlight TLR-1? Please elaborate on this. Is it a standard picatinny spacing and if so, how many slots? Or is it that the shape of the forend interferes with the back of the light? The reason I ask is that I have a TLR-1 and I had already earmarked for this carbine.
This is a nice looking carbine with great reviews. It’s hot now, but if Ruger can’t deliver it to customers, now ,interest will fade. When interest fades they will resort to discounting to move them. This is an all to familiar story for gun companies. Poor management and poorly planned new product rollout’s are common.
The one thing that I keep thinking about is all these “exceptions” to comply with various state “laws”!!! They remind me of the “Barney Fife” rule about when he could load his one cartridge in his un!!! Folks, this IS NOT Mayberry and we damn well should not have to put up with these “laws”!!! If a marriage license is good across state lines, then at least a carry license should get the same treatment under the “Full Faith and Credit” law!!!
The one thing that I keep thinking about is all these “exceptions” to comply with various state “laws”!!! They remind me of the “Barney Fife” rule about when he could load his one cartridge in his gun!!! Folks, this IS NOT Mayberry and we damn well should not have to put up with these “laws”!!! If a marriage license is good across state lines, then at least a carry license should get the same treatment under the “Full Faith and Credit” law!!!
How about having the 9mms version being able to also use 38 super rounds?
I’d like to see this in 45acp.
I’ll wait for the S&W compatible magazine conversion as I just purchased a 2.0 Compact as my everyday carry. I like the concept of this rifle for camping, bug out and overall general fun. I can load 9mm for less than a nickel a round with cast bullets, so this would almost be as cheap as shooting 22 LR.
Great review sir! Want!!! Now about that mag well… could they make one to fit HK P30 mags?
I have to agree with everything posted here. I bought one of these and have been loving it. It is crazy accurate and just shoots and shoots.
I love mine. It fits nicely in my Ruger 10/22 bag. With 10/22 , both barrel’s side by side in right side of bag , both stocks side by side in left compartment. Great shooting carbine , nary a single issue right out of the box. Great job Ruger !!
They’re going for $500 at bi mart in Oregon. Had a few in stock when I picked mine up.
If they had a 357 sig one I would have pre ordered it. That way to shoot 40 all you need to do is switch the barrel only.
Brownells has these in stock for $342 with code FN3, they you get a brownells $50 gift card so it nets the delivered, no tax price to $392, Today is the last day of the sale. Centerfire has 50 rd drums for $29 for Glock 9mm, Federal has Black Box 9mm ammo for about 14 cents after rebate. 33 rd asian mags were $8.99-$9.99 several places but all are out but they’ll be back.
Just bought mine at $399 at academy sports. (Snagged a M&P shield with crimson trace 9mm for $249). Cant wait to take them to the range.
Will Masterson says (you know the cowboy) the angle on the clip is the same as a Beretta magazine. so take a small flathead screwdriver and cut a slot in Beretta magazines to match the slot in the SR9 magazine that comes with the Ruger PCC. Then cut a credit card down to the same size as the back of a Beretta magazine. Put the Beretta magazine in the rifle, put the credit card behind the magazine and have fun. Takes about 30 minuets including taking apart the magazine and sanding off the burr and putting the magazine back together! Now your Beretta 92 and your Ruger PPC mach 1 magazine 2 guns, just think of the possibilities!
After reading all the comments how about 22 hornets I’d love pistol and rifle in 22 hornet, or 30 cal M1 or 357 mag. (Bat Masterson) mass+speed=hurt! Oh, I have the last one in my Henry and Charter Arms “Bull Dog” cowboy stuff.
How often should a detailed cleaning be done, receiver, trigger assembly, bolt?
I have purchased two PCC in the last 2 years the ATI-Miltech AR-15 9mm and just 3 weeks ago the Ruger PC 9 in .40 both of them had teething problems. The Miltech which takes Glock magazine had failure to feed problems the first 100 rounds now after 500 rounds, nothing and it feeds everything. The Ruger was sent back after a week for the exact same problem, so I can’t give an objective evaluation on it until I get it back from Ruger. I am hoping it lives up to the reviews on multiple different websites and the hoard of reviews in all the major gun magazines over the last two years
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