Gun Violence: It’s Only a Problem in Democrat-Controlled Urban Centers

1. What percentage of the US population resides in these “Sh*tholes”?

   • What percentage voted Democrat last election?

     See what I did there?

     • ^ Profound truth.
       Look at a county-by-county, color-coded map showing where the Red/Blue areas are, and the large urban centers of the U.S. virtually draw themselves in.

       • That’s why we need each district sending its own delegate to the electoral college, not all ot nothing per state.

       • Since a state gets (# of Reprehensibles) + (# of Senators) electors, what usually happens when such a system as JR suggests is implemented (and it has been, in Nebraska and Maine), the two electors corresponding to the senators go the way the state as a whole goes, and the other electors match what happened in their corresponding House Districts.

         I agree with JR it would be an improvement over what we have now. (I just wanted to clarify how it would work.)

         Unfortunately, what we are now seeing instead is a movement to have states award their electoral votes to whomever wins the nationwide popular vote. (It’s usually phrased as taking effect only when states with 270+ electoral votes ratify the measure), which would simply turn the US presidential election into a direct popular vote.

2. Sounds like this guy read mein keimph one to many times

   • Yeah, all those pesky facts have nazi propaganda written all over them. If only we could find a source of news based on “emotion” and “political correctness”. Oh wait, we do! (end sarcasm) K, if you want to bury your head in the sand, I recommend CNN/NBC/CBS/NYTimes/etc…

     However, I can see where K and other people might balk at an article of this nature. I am not sure such a divisive piece has a place on this site. I’d wager more folks would respond better to success stories regarding the rearming of minorities in cities/states where gun rights were restored. In pieces like those, you can “slip” in these statistics without it seeming to the public (and K) that the author is a raging bigot.

     Just my $.02

   • I didn’t read into it that blacks, and hispanics to a lesser degree, are inherently evil. He wrote that their way of life is incentivized by government programs touted heavily by democratic politicians. Are there hard working black families getting ahead? Yes. Are there unmarried white individuals who game the welfare system? Yes. Are there varying degrees all along the spectrum? Of course. But ignoring statistics will not change the truth.

     • The biggest takers in the welfare system are southern whites. Fact

       • and yet they’re not wholesale killing each other

         reasons?

       • Proof?

         And proportionality matters here. Blacks are a far smaller percentage of the population (around 13% IIRC) but suck up more of the gibsmedats than whites do proportionally.

         Just like they commit nearly half the murders.

       • Because they all have guns, and all of them know everyone else is armed.

   • Sounds like somebody wanted to pull a Godwin on his first “argument”.

   • Godwin is smiling somewhere, growing more powerful at every reference to hitler.

3. I love that last graph.

4. Yeah we know all that. A mite raciss but what do I know…What to do about it is the $… I know “Make America safe again!”

   • better…”american lives matter”

5. As fun as it is to be partisan correlation does not equal causation.
   Population density and anonymity of the individual in the crowd play a far greater role than the politics of a region.
   Now (D) policies work toward bringing even more people into an ever smaller space and discourage employment and job creation so certainly they aren’t helping matters any but replace all those (D)’s with (R)’s and the shitholes would still be shitholes.

   • Under Giuliani, NYC saw a 75% drop in crime in a decade, which seems to say you are wrong. OTOH, the method he used (“stop and frisk”) was blatantly unconstitutional, but in the 10 years it took to work it’s way to SCOTUS, it was wildly successful, and transformed NYC. With Dems back in control, expect a downward slide toward the sh1thole again.

     • Yeah. There’s always the Singapore approach to crime that pretty much negates all other factors.

     • Plenty of police officers polled in New York City (I forget the organization that polls retiring cops every year) documented a MASSIVE upswing in police being told to write down crimes under Giuliani. So if they mugged someone at gunpoint, they’d charge them with simply purse snatching to make crime look lower and get more tourists in. NYC is still a crime ridden cesspool, they just lie on the official numbers.

       • That policy of downplaying crime is called CompStat.

       • I worked in East Harlem and later in the South Bronx from 63 to 01as a business owner. I can tell you as a fact that crime plummeted under Rudy. It did not however evaporate. It never does and why I carried in NYC in which acquiring that CC permit is another story.

   • It is more than correlation. The high crime rates in the inner city are the result of Progressive social engineering that caused civil society to collapse. The relationship between the gangs and the Democratic political machines that run these cities is well documented. In the bad old days before the government started helping black America they had a lower crime rate than white America.

6. Que the “facts be racist” comments…

   I will however point something out: the problem is black or white or hispanic. It’s cities.

   Cities have concentrations of wealth. They always have. This attracts criminals who want a cut of the spoils. There’s not much point it robbing farmers. How do you fence a combine? There’s not much point in setting up a major drug peddling operation in a town of 5000 people either.

   The fact is that cities and poor management of cities is the problem. While cities will always have more crime and more violence due to a concentration of wealth and people it’s a historical accident that black people migrated to cities in search of work decades ago and the culture in the cities has decayed as the cities have gone to shit. They’ve simply been left behind. It could have happened to any race of people if they had migrated into cities at the same time and then had the rug pulled out from under them.

   • You make a valid point stych9. But I think its more the wealth factor vice the population density. Many cities, and in some cases sections of large cities go through a cycle in which the wealthy move away because the crime gets to be a problem, among other things. The property values go down and a once prosperous area becomes a slum. A few years later wealthy land owners swoop in and buy up the land cheap and renovate. Adding businesses and living spaces while donating heavily to police forces in the area (to ensure crime rates start to subside in the specific area). The wealthy and upper middle class move in while the poor are forced to relocate, then all is good, that is, until the cycle starts again. Several bureaucrats will have come and gone in the time it takes for one cycle to complete so it isn’t a political issue, and it isn’t a racial issue. Its a money issue.

     Where there is money to be made, there will be crime. The only real correlation to be made is what shire-man said above, democrats rule these areas and draw more of their constituents into these crowded spaces while making it hard for businesses to thrive. Lack of jobs force the lower middle class and poor to rely on the government (as the democrats intended) creating this black hole of opportunity from which no one can escape. When faced with starvation and homelessness its easy to understand why so many inner-city dwellers turn to crime.

     I don’t condone or endorse such behavior, but if I were in the same situation I’d probably do whatever it took to take care of my family. I just hope community leaders of these disadvantaged areas will eventually realize that the first step to prosperity is to find a way to live without government subsidy and maybe someday voting their democrat overloads out of office to break the cycle once and for all. Pipe dream, I know…

     • Population density definitely plays a role. If you assume that 5% of people are criminally inclined (it’s less than that) then a town of 5000 people has 250 criminally minded people while a city of 1,000,000 has 50,000.

       This will almost certainly lead to violence at a higher rate as those 50,000 from groups to carve up the black market. However, yes, this is related to wealth because those 50,000 people are fighting over a lot more money that’s available in an individual sector such as drugs, prostitution etc.

       When I refer to poor management I do in some ways refer to what you’re talking about with the poverty trap but I also refer to outside forces that make proper management of a city impossible. A big part of the problem is that drugs and prostitution are part of the black market specifically because they’re illegal. This is what makes them so highly profitable. People will pay a premium for things that are rare or have more overhead (and dodging the fuzz certainly increases your overhead). Add to this that no taxes are paid on black market goods and services and you have a real lure. This again, is partially related to population density. In a small town, such as the one I live in, prostitution isn’t going to be very profitable simply because the population of people interested in such services is small. Sure it might still be 5% but 250 guys once a week at 50 bucks a pop pales in comparison to the same price and usage of 50K users and in a city of 1,000,000 it’s going to be harder to find the individuals running the whole thing where a prostitution ring is a small town tends to stick out. It’s an economy of scale issue to some extent.

       Cities offer a concentration of wealth but they also offer a degree of anonymity and a concentration of people who will buy your goods and services regardless of what they are. Both play directly into the black market dynamic and that fuels violence when large numbers of criminals, fighting over a huge pool of tax free cash, can’t call the police if they are wronged by a fellow black marketeer.

       From city to small town there is a similarity. Two liquor store owners generally don’t shoot each other or rob each other for more product and two 7/11 owners don’t shoot each other over the territory to sell Pall Malls. The reason is that the “white market”, for lack of a better term, has rules and structure codified by law. You’ll also note that the black market folks in smaller towns don’t tend to off each other either, there’s that anonymity created by a city coming back. In a town where everyone knows everyone offing the competition is begging to go to prison. In a city it’s much less likely the murder of some guy the cops didn’t know existed until he didn’t is much less likely to be solved.

   • I would counter with NYC under Giuliani. A massive drop in the crime rate from only a few years of competent leadership.

     • I also think the violent crime statistics were skewed down because of CompStat. I know Chicago had a long bout of reporting crimes as a less violent crime or not reporting crimes to make the numbers look better. I had my car broken into in ’07 in Chicago. I called the cops, but they made it very difficult to file a report. The amount of damages was less than my deductible, so I really didn’t need a report for insurance.

   • Dude, I live is Chicago. Yes there are good “black” neighborhoods, and I grew up in a “mixed” one, but I will tell you now, every sketchy neighborhood is black. Hell, even the lower class Hispanic neighborhoods are nothing like the west side (and there are decent lower income black neighborhoods too). Now to sound really raciest, but my black friends hate the hood rats as much as anyone and they will be defensive when they spot a banger in a “good” neighborhood.

     • Very true Binder. It’s not scary(to me)in Pilson/little village.Southside,westside,the eastside going to hell and now invading Ravenswood ,Thouhy and north into Evanston. It ain’t the Spanglish-it’s 15 year old punks of color. You couldn’t pay me to live in the city now…

   • First, small town USA has drug problems too. Predominately heroin, but even here there’s variety available.

     Fencing a combine is a funny visual to imagine. But even rural areas are experiencing b&e’s. Particularly areas closer to towns or near state or Interstate highways. Might not be wise trying to hotwire farm equipment; but farmers have jewelry, prescription drugs, & other easily fenced property.

     There have been cases on construction sites where organized criminals have come in & stolen large equipment before. So, never say never…

     • I didn’t say that crime doesn’t occur in rural areas. It most certainly does. My neighbor’s son got high on meth and attempted to attack people in our neighborhood with a lawnmower blade until the lady across the street put him down with a 12 gauge “rubber rocket”.

       What I said was that crime, especially violent crime like murder is concentrated in cities and I went on to give reasons I believe that to be true.

   • Except, every race migrated to the cities at some point. Look at the eastern seaboard and midwest throughout the late 19th and early 20th century. Most immigrant waves went through a generation or two of menial labor and/or criminal activity, then got their act together, got educated and went legit.

     The inner city blacks as a whole didn’t because theirs is an inferior culture based on instant gratification and a blame-shifting, excuse-making victim mentaliy, just as you’ve done here.

     All of the time, money, and effort spent providing equal opportunity in employment and education has actually caused more inequality of outcomes, because the black culture is not geared toward capitalizing on the opportunities for advancement. Other poor people do seize the opportunities, so they move up. Meanwhile, the welfare-dependant black are left behind again.

     As the country grew more prosperous, the Democrats started running out of impoverished whites to exploit and manipulate into supporting them. So they zeroed in on the blacks. The blacks aren’t going anywhere, but the Hispanics are where the big vote counts are now. As the old black racebaiter generation dies off, watch as a new cadre of national Hispanic grievance groups and agitators rise up to foment perpetual turmoil. Hispanics vote Democrat 2:1. If that ratio ever reversed or even approached 1:1 as Hispanics get educated and successful, then the Democrats would never win again. They need more Hispanics, the poorer the better, and to suppress the success of those already here. Expect Hillary yo select an Hispanic running mate.

7. Lately i’ve been considering if its worth keeping my guns while living in a largely restricted state and articles like these don’t help. There’s some good information in this article, but also a lot of hate. The rhetoric is getting played out and from my perspective you’re alienating people that want to align themselves with your cause. There was an article the other day about supporting california gun owners, and that was awesome, but the comments showed the community believes otherwise.

   • I support CA by voting for GOP senators and presidents. Beyond that they’re on their own, I don’t even wish to visit there.

   • So fats are somehow “hateful”… How about we just admit that the black community is a cancer on this country due to their refusal to assimilate into mainstream American society?

     • Prior to the liberal invention of the welfare state, there were black communities all over the country, full of hard-working, law-abiding people.

       • ^This. It’s not the color of their skin. It’s the hand they’ve been dealt by their Democrat overlords.

       • Very true, we now have generations that have known nothing but dependency. Your government plans on moving everyone else there.

       • yes…this. welfare/social programs without limits, are color blind, and these programs, by very nature, permit those without income, for whatever reason, to continue to live without income for years on end, and most importantly, to procreate at will without having a source (or morals) to properly provide for said kids, which often leads to exponentially more of the same. lack of personal responsibility for ones actions, which includes children one creates and the responsibility to raise as good members of society, is the heart of our crime problem.

   • I was offered a job recently after going through the steps of applying, interviewing, background checks, etc… I was under the impression that the job was in NC. When I found out it was in California I politely told them that I wasn’t interested. They immediately offered to add 25% on top of the equivalent salary in CA. Again I politely turned them down. They hounded me for several weeks until I explained to them that until CA was more gun friendly I would not step foot in the state. The hiring manager admitted to me that retention has become a problem for him for this reason. Many people leaving are the state because of how unfriendly CA has become towards gun owners. Apparently the new ammunition laws have instigated a mass exodus. I wished him luck, and I haven’t heard from him since.

     I think CA is a lost cause because of this, more than anything else I have seen or read in the media. People who value their freedom are leaving the state. Eventually there will be no one left to fight.

     • Nice story, but completely anecdotal.

       I have a large group of friends here in California, nearly all of whom are strong supporters of the 2nd Amendment, and none have decided to leave the state because of the newly passed laws, no matter how onerous that they are.

       People ARE leaving because of the cost of living and in many cases difficulty finding employment. They are also being replaced, at not quite a 1 for 1 level by East Coast Progressives who have been at the root of the decline of this state into single party despotism. The number cars with New York and Massachusetts plates in major urban areas is astounding. As Larry Elder said, “I’ll keep the illegals, I want to get rid of the liberals.” To me his meaning was crystal clear.

       The reality of California is that the both the crime and homicide rates are extremely low as long as you avoid a handful of urban areas. Hence, the average sheeple sees no needs to have a firearm. Of course this could change very, very quickly, and that’s why I’m suitably armed.

       By the sound of it, the job that you turned down was with Bank of America. If so, good for you. Its become a sleazy operation since it was acquired by Nations Banks slime. A.P Giannini would be appalled at what has happened the great bank that he built.

       • That must have been quite some time ago, it was a shit bank in the late 1980s. Its sole virtue was having ATMs everywhere, but I found it easier in many respects to deal, long distance, with a credit union in Colorado than to deal with either B of A or my employer’s Credit Union (if you worked offsite as a subcontractor, forget any convenience factor at that credit union). B of A closed at 3PM so they could enter their paper records into a computer–ridiculous for the 1980s, I called them the “Medieval Bank of America” for that reason. (I wonder if the computer was an abacus.) They sent all but one employee on their lunch break just as the lunch rush of customers came in. B of A was run by morons who couldn’t possibly have cared less about their depositors.

8. Portland and Detroit have both been controlled by democrats for decades and yet Portland’s murder rate is lower than the national average while Detroit’s is almost off the charts.

   Seems to be some other factor besides democrats in power…

   • Portland is 78% white and 6.6% Black. Just saying…..

     • Who else saw that coming? Show of hands?

       • Saw what coming? Facts? White people only commit 10% of all violent crime in this country while being 65% of the population.

     • pwrserge my comments were supportive of Binder’s retort. I should have been more specific. I agree with your position as well.

9. F YEAH!! we all know this as reality but so many shield their eyes and yell “guns are the problem”. FINALLY someone put some facts on paper concerning this.
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10. It ain’t the buildings, water, air quality or traffic in these cities that’s causing individuals to commit such a large percentage of violent crimes. It’s the culture that these individuals have embraced. That culture includes having a large chip on your shoulder, an overall disrespect for the law, glorification of gangs, an aversion to real employment, babies out of wedlock by the bushel full and little if any impulse control. It’s no wonder that many white families have decided to flee these killing fields and relocate to the suburbs.

    • Boys without fathers will go rogue. Nothing will get better until that is rectified. The glorification by the Left of single moms is just crazy.

11. “Today, the national crime rate is about half of what it was at its height in 1991.”

    If you do an informal poll of people as you are out-n-about, they will tell you gun violence is ‘skyrocketing’.

    It *isn’t*, but they are convinced that it is.

    That needs to ‘Job #1’ in protecting our rights, education.

    (I especially *love* the graph that shows the drop *after* carry laws became common…)

    • Education yes, but I think a better first step would be to enact laws to hold media outlets accountable for shilling on gun control. Disinformation worse than ignorance and it needs to stop.

      • Far too dangerous.

        They will use those laws against *us*…

      • Advocate violating the First Amendment at your peril. And mine.

        That sword cuts both ways.

12. “The willfully ignorant American public completely buys the falsehoods presented by Obama”

    One of the many reasons for buying the “falsehoods” is that they’re not falsehoods (my, isn’t that a prissy little word) — they’re goddam lies. LIES. Write the word. It’s very liberating to call something by its true name.

    I had a chat with one of my doctors yesterday. He told me a story about a “journalist” who bought an “assault rifle” in less than an hour at a gun store.

    “No, she didn’t,” said I.

    He said, “Yes she did. It was an AR-15!

    So then I explained the difference between an AR-15 and an M16 or M4. He didn’t know that the AR-15 is not a machine gun.

    “Why didn’t I know that?” he asked.

    “Because you’ve been lied to,” said I.

    Lied to. Not falsehooded to. Lied to. Just like black people have been lied to. If my doctor can be scammed by bullshit — and he’s a certified genius — the average person is ripe for scamming.

    Black people are still being exploited by Democrats. If they ever get the message that they’ve been lied to — which I doubt — there will be hell to pay. Baltimore and Ferguson will look like picnics in comparison.

    • You assume that they’re being lied to. No, they’re in on the scam. They know damn well where their bread is better and that’s in the Democratic Party. They want a handout, not a helping hand.

      That’s what’s at the core of all this BLM foolishness. They realize white people are weak and want more money and not only self-rule, but rule over us as well. Obama is a black nationalist looking out for them and encouraging them to commit violence against police officers and white people.

      • bread is buttered*

13. Observation: facts, by their nature, can’t be racist. But selective use of facts can be, and certainly can be so perceived. That’s the problem with an article like this, it seems racist to point out these facts. One racist conclusion that might be drawn is “blacks are criminals.”

    There are other, non-racist conclusions, such as: Institutionalized racism has disproportionately affected blacks and effectively “kept them down” by hampering formation of traditional families (disparate punishment for crime, etc.), destroying the hope for decent education, maintaining de facto segregation, etc.

    There is no point in distinguishing a cause, because whichever, it makes no difference: this is a sociological problem, not a gun problem. Focusing on guns is a cop out. It allows politicians to blame “someone” who isn’t their traditional constituency and for a problem that will never be “solved.” Thanks to 2A, there will always be guns, and thus always a bogeyman to blame for the problems of the inner city. If they used their magic want to get rid of all guns, the problems would persist. The gun-free utopia, wouldn’t be. But by blaming guns, they can avoid addressing the real problems that plague the inner city, problems that are much more difficult and expensive to solve.

14. Seems a plausible talking point when the mainstream media is literally accusing the middle class, law abiding, gun owning community of being racist. They are trying to equate gun ownership with racism. Facts always seem to get in the way of propaganda, but when all the media is owned by a common source, facts are often difficult to find.

15. Anyone with access to the Internet who knows how to type a search into Google can find out the for themselves in less than five minutes using FBI data and US Census data. If you’re not a young black male, you are extremely unlikely to be murdered in America.

    The libtards perpetuate the myth about our terrible gun violence program in America. Take away young black males, and our problem ceases to be a problem. Our homicide rate is tiny.

16. Gosh, sure are a lot of red states disproportionately represented there (Kind of like how red states are disproportionately represented at the bottom “worst of” basically every metric of human well being in the US from violent crime to poverty to unemployment to education). I also can’t help but notice that that when you combine all those murders listed, its’ only a fraction of the actual gun murders. But yes, most murders happen where the most people live. You cracked the case you fricking moron hahaha.

    I am really glad with all this substantive data you backed up your baseless assertion, i mean claim that welfare is responsible for this issue, by like demonstrating that high crime impoverished ghettos didn’t exist before welfare or something. Oh wait no, you didn’t do that because of course they existed and because you’re an idiot.

    And of course black kill at a disproportionate rate than whites…but they’re still only about half the murders.

    Does TTAG really think this utter idiocy is good enough for TTAG?! This is without a doubt the dumbest article I have ever seen posted here.

    And before idiots dogpile on me about “muh facts” (laughably transparently cherry picked data and unsupported inferences from actual facts are basically on par with usefulness as lies), i’m not a democrat, i got my p228 right in front of me and my colt 6920 right behind me waiting for my daily dryfire practice, I’m very much a gun advocate.

    I”m enough of a gun advocate that I know not to discredit our cause and make us all look like complete drooling idiots by using arguments THIS bad and easily picked apart.

    • Yeah… Please explain why 35% of the population commits 90%+ of the violent crime.

      • I think they’re working through the population until they find and take out “baserock love,” at which point they’ll stop.

        I’m not saying its right, but I understand.

      • They have teams of people logging onto sites like the TTAG to throw crap like this against the wall to see if it sticks. I’ve met two of them and they have their hands full with multi logins and hiding their iP addresses.
        Let’s have elections and just settle it that way.

17. If we could only chart hopes and dreams then it would balance out.

    This is why I moved to the boonies. God Bless “mercia and God Bless Alabama.

18. SLAPPED in the face with stats.

19. For all the statistic folks, I have a question. Does the black on black murder rate correlate with the decrease in crime?

20. I like the facts, but won’t repost on Facebook because the article is a little to “in your face.”

    • Cops have been fired for less. I don’t bother with Facebook anymore- it’s a liberal echo chamber.

21. You can’t fix stupid. All the huge cities with excessive crime are liberal sh!t holes but continue to remain liberal strongholds. The most poverty and/or crime stricken in those cities CONTINUE to vote for the same party (Democrats) who couldn’t care less about their plight. This is why the voters plight hasn’t changed one bit in decades. But you can’t cut through the voter ignorance. They not only look past the Democrats dismal performance and failure to deliver on meaningful change, but they look beyond their extended history of supporting slavery, being the party of the KKK, and their suppression of Civil Rights.

    Other than all that, the Democrats are swell people. (same goes for ISIS)

22. Socialist city states want to make laws for the entire country based on their savagery. Predators go where the easy prey is. If only the rest of the country were as easy, maybe the predators would spread out. They would be armed and they would be just as savage. Then there would be more laws made.

23. It’s multiple generations of welfare and especially AFDC, which encourage rampant breeding with no financial consequence; the anonymity and overcrowding in large cities; and the naive belief in the 1950’s and especially 60’s that if the country just swept legal segregation away, everything would solve itself. Instead it destroyed the viable black society with fathers in the home and a hierarchy of “normal” people for youth to look up to and replaced it with nothing. No surprise that we are where we are with fatherless families, teens looking up to bangers, and black on black crime. Most of the blame for this has to be placed on the Democratic party, and of course all we hear from Hillary is more of the same. And her likely choice as VP candidate — the current Secretary of HUD? This guy would not have a job except for decades of failed Dem housing policies. We really do have two countries — the urban wastelands, and everywhere else. I was planning to vote for Trump anyway but please, fence-sitters, Anyone but Hillary!

    • I can understand how many people aren’t Trump fans. But to have the gall to think that Hillary is better is beyond me. WHAT has she truly accomplished after all the years of being a politician. All she’s done is gotten herself re-elected and enriched herself even further. Her political platform changes as often as the weather. She is little more than a corrupt opportunist.

      Trump is rolling the dice, but America has no other option. Hillary sucks donkey ballz.

24. Daniel Victor Zimmerman, I’m disgusted to my core to witness in black and white, what a vile racist you are. There are no words to justify your view and to rely on Heyjackass.com as your source of information. This source exposes your level of intelligence (Mensa) and any kind of journalistic ability you might claim you have. Explain this piece of writing to your parents.

25. Now, could I have a version of this with language my liberal anti gun friends might read?

26. I love the throwaway inclusion of Miami in the list of Democrat-run shitholes, despite the fact that Miami is currently and historically run by Republicans.

27. There are 183 million white adults in the US.

    There are 38 million black adults in the US.

    In 2013:
    Out of the 183 million white adults, 2,509 of them killed 3,501 people. Of those, 3,005 were white.

    Out of the 38 million black adults, 2,245 of them killed 2,737 people. Of those, 2,491 were black.

    There’s a 764 difference between the two numbers of victims.

    Mathematically, black people kill more than whites.

    It’s a sad truth.

28. I am wondering how you neglected the shooting deaths that make up the bulk of the white victims and are most of the actual homicides by self inflicted violence, so called white on white gun violence? And much of that comes with killing others such as in rural white country areas where you claim this cannot happen but does at three times the rate or your “homicides”. You don’t count shooting a human to death if it involves the person doing the killing being mentally disturbed? Black people are not mentally disturbed seems to be the take away from your data.

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