The last thing New York needs is for every Tom, Dick and Harriet on the street to be carrying.
Moreover, the argument for reasonable restrictions on the Second Amendment is hardly new. Indeed, many conservative legal experts support New York’s law, noting that government regulations on guns go back centuries and that the Founders meant for that tradition to continue when they drafted the Second Amendment; never did they intend to provide every American with an unchecked right to carry firearms whenever and wherever they liked.
The Supremes can — must — let New York protect itself, whether by simply upholding New York’s law, or, if they find it unconstitutionally broad (as seems likely based on their questioning during the case), ordering modest tweaks. One possibility: Grant the state the right to limit public spaces where guns are allowed.
But forcing New York to let anyone at all carry a firearm anywhere they want, no questions asked, is a recipe for disaster.
– Post Editorial Board in Pray the Supreme Court Doesn’t Leave NY Defenseless To Control Flood of Weapons on Streets
lol
No one in New York was killed by a gun.
This entire thing is ridiculous. Letting people defend themselves is the very thing that allows people to defend themselves. Taking away everyones right to defend themselves is the very thing that leaves everyone defenseless. We always hear about “common sense” control but all this craziness defies anything that resembles common sense.
RE: “Moreover, the argument for reasonable restrictions on the Second Amendment is hardly new. Indeed, many conservative legal experts support New York’s law, noting that government regulations on guns go back centuries and that the Founders meant for that tradition to continue when they drafted the Second Amendment; never did they intend to provide every American with an unchecked right to carry firearms whenever and wherever they liked.”
The above sneaky “Argument BS” labeled as conservative in an effort to sell to history illiterates is not to be found anywhere in The Second Amendment, etc. Those who came along and inserted nasty nice “regulations” were also hell bent on slavery which history confirms goes hand in hand with Gun Control. Rest assured back then “regulations” concocted for Black Skin made it where you were singled out by bigots and you damned sure had no, “unchecked right to carry firearms whenever and wherever they liked.”
What Gun Control ratbassturds are attempting to do again is pee on your back and tell you it’s raining. History has confirmed Gun Control in any shape, matter or form is rooted in racism and genocide. That’s Chiseled.
Lets not forget that when the British Regulars started raiding towns to quell a potential rebellion they were looking for privately owned weapons. Some of the weapons that were destroyed included cannon. Cannon that were held by private citizens.
Law abiding citizens are already defenseless right now.
Allowing them to carry concealed firearms will give the most petite woman a defense against the biggest, strongest man
Are there any NYC’ers here? It’d be good to hear what’s really going on locally there.
I think they all fled.
1/4 of the new neighbors I have are from the city, only up side is most of them bought guns the second they got up here and a few got their pistol permits.
I’m a former NYer (upstate), recently moved away. This is not just about NYC. This is about the whole state, specifically its permitting regime, which is unconstitutional on its face. You have no idea how crazy it is – how many hoops, how many nonsensical requirements, how many unconstitutional infringements. If I wrote it all out, my comment would get moderated for length (I know, I’ve tried).
One example: must have four letters of reference with application. Can’t be LEO, can’t be relatives, must live in same county. Cars don’t exist in NY, apparently. No crossing county lines for your references – those folks over in Shelbyville can’t be trusted.
Another: must write an essay explaining why you should be granted the right to own a pistol. Yes, OWN. You may not own a handgun in NY without a CCW, and CCW is may-issue.
And: it is a felony to hold a pistol that is not listed on your permit by serial number. No checking out a friend or relative’s gun at the range for you. Doesn’t even matter if it’s the exact same make and model. (Of course this one is impossible to enforce).
One more: must do two interviews with local law enforcement, plus a multi-state background check. Then a judge can decide, on a whim, not to grant anyway. Since permitting rules vary by county, you’d best live in one of the “pro-2A” counties, and not, e.g. Tompkins, Albany, or anywhere downstate.
Don’t get me started on magazine restrictions, “assault weapons,” and the rest of the nonsense. NYC is even worse, but I never lived there because life is too short and I’m not an idiot.
Speaking of how unSAFE did you get lately?
Less than you might think. But I did upgrade a few magazines and my carry pistol. I am still looking into an extra scary murder stick with all the features. Perhaps this summer, now that I’m more settled!
“Are there any NYC’ers here? It’d be good to hear what’s really going on locally there.”
Get used to this kind of shrill crap for the time being.
This is just a part of the wind-up for the release of the ‘NY Pistol’ carry decision in a few weeks.
Oh, and when the announcement comes, it’s gonna get worse. The same thing happened here in Florida in 1987 (?) when Florida became among the first to go ‘shall-issue’ on gun permits.
Expect articles and ‘letters to the editor’ of citizens predicting old west style gun battles for parking spots in grocery stores, and the air thick with flying copper-jacketed lead. Oh, and we can’t forget the predictions of streets literally running with rivers of blood. *snort*.
They got folks all worked-up over that down here, and nothing happened. Crime went down.
EDIT – There is one difference, and expect them to leverage it fully. The 24-hour news cycle. They will exploit that to their advantage…
This is confusing to me, don’t State constitutions also guarantee the right to bear arms?
Aren’t these the same arguments we have heard when states choose to go to shall issue or on to permit less carry? As we have seen in those states, not everyone is going to run out and buy guns. And, while it is not a requirement in many places, getting some basic instruction in firearms safety and what is and is not allowable under the law is highly encouraged.
I’ve questioned the whole permit scheme and even more so the may issue restrictions for many years. Since you have to pass the BG check to legally purchase from a dealer, and in most states the same BG check is used for permitting, why the redundancy and hassle other than to make buying a firearm as annoying and time consuming as possible?
Yes, even after the new law takes effect, I will maintain my Alabama permit. Simply because I travel over state lines from time to time and my Al permit is considered valid in most places I travel too. Wish it was like my Dl and valid nation wide, but some states just don’t want to cooperate.
In this case the focus is on NYC and their highly restrictive permit scheme. Problem is, those who are, and are going to continue to be the problem ignore the requirements already. So, permit or not, they will be the same people who commit the acts of violence.
Something else the anti gun, or anti 2nd folks fail to comprehend. Even without firearms, violent crime is a fact of life and there will always be those who will prey upon their fellow humans and be willing to use whatever means they can.
Yep, don’t know about Alabama, but up here in Iowa the gravel roads have been soaked in blood ever since permitless carry went into effect. Although you could make the argument that the sophisticated urbanites if NYC would likely be more restrained in their random gunplay than a bunch of cornfield rednecks. It might also have the effect of eradicating the giant rat infestation there. Their new motto could be ‘if you see a rat, shoot a rat’. (Of course, leave the possums alone.)
I lived in AZ, when they enacted permitless carry more than a decade ago. Those criminals were just waiting for it to be legal, so they could carry guns around.
Everybody I know got shot. I got shot six times, and died from two of them, that first day alone. There’s nobody left alive in the whole state, thanks to permitless carry.
Damn. I thought I was being sarcastic.
@JasonM. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Bravo sir! Thanks for that heartfelt laughter!
Sarcasm, its a beautiful thing!
Seems lime a feature. All that blood will keep the dust down. /s
Yes, for those of us still alive it’s been quite pleasant.
Where you will see this really have a major effect first is in Road rage shootings.
“The random pointlessness of the killing shocked Houston. But it was one of dozens of similar incidents across the country over the past year amid an explosion of shootings and killings attributed to rage on the road.
These eruptions of sudden violence — a man in Tulsa, Okla., firing repeatedly after an argument at a red light; a Georgia driver shot while on a family road trip — are not unique to any part of America, among a population that is increasingly on edge and carrying guns. But they have been perhaps most pronounced on the roads of Texas.“
“ADRIANNA RODRIGUEZ | USA TODAY | 12:06 pm EDT July 9, 2019
Alabama police say a woman shot her husband in the head as she attempted to shoot someone else during a road rage incident Saturday.”
“By FOX 5 Atlanta Digital TeamPublished 1 day agoUpdated 12 hours ago FOX 5 Atlanta
DOUGLASVILLE, Ga. – Douglasville police say they have arrested a woman accused of shooting a teenager during a road rage incident Sunday afternoon.
A judge denied bond for 30-year-old Brittney Alyssa Griffith on Monday morning. According to investigators, Griffith was driving a black sedan in the Eastbound lanes along Interstate 20 around 4:40 p.m. She is believed to have been traveling from the Villa Rica or Carrollton area.
Police said Griffith had been following the victim’s car on I-20 since they left Villa Rica, where some sort of road rage altercation occurred.“
“Updated: Jun. 14, 2021, 10:17 a.m. | Published: Jun. 14, 2021, 9:23 a.m.
Triple Shooting May 22, 2021
Three people – including a child – were injured while in a vehicle on Birmingham’s First Avenue North on the city’s east side Saturday, May 22, 2021.
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A woman wounded while riding with her family on a busy east Birmingham roadway in an apparent road rage shooting has died.
The Jefferson County Coroner’s Office on Monday identified her as Sheila Chantel Johnson. She was 27.
The shooting happened May 22, and Johnson was pronounced dead Saturday at UAB Hospital.“
“The last thing [a violent criminal in] New York needs is for every Tom, Dick and Harriet on the street to be carrying.”
There, fixed that.
The last thing (elected officials in) New York needs is for every Tom, Dick and Harriet on the street to be carrying”.
Updated to reflect the worst offenders without losing the context of your correction.
Well, Harriet used to be Harry, so there’s that… 🙂
Well duh! Watched a coupla episodes of the Sopranos last night. Nobody had a gat-except of course the criminals n cops. Often one & the same. Of course this was Joy-zee which like NYC has some the most evil corruption anywhere in the USA. Kinda why those laws are on the books in the 1st place…
Lib at gun shop: “I need to buy a gun.”
Clerk: “Ok, fill out this 4478 form and wait for your background check. If it comes back clean, you can pick up your gun in 10 days.
Lib: “But I need it now!”
Clerk: “You support gun control, don’t you?”
Lib: “Of course I do!”
Clerk: “THIS is gun control.”
NY edit, great we can process your purchase now and hold it until you get your NY pistol permit (or above) approved then I can give you your receipt and you can get your permit amended to include your pistol and when you get your amended license and purchase coupon back from the judge/clerk (steps may vary by county void in NYC) I can have you fill out your 4478 and give you your pistol if everything clears (waiting period under debate for this session pending).
Usually this story ends with us finding out that the lib is a child molester or a domestic abuser, and therefore a prohibited person anyway.
Oh come now that barely happens 1 time in 5
Having been on the other side of the gun counter, it can be a very rude shock when a prim-and-proper person is told their purchase has been denied.
I’ve seen a few cop a real attitude when they hear that. I just tell them to contact a lawyer to get the ‘misunderstanding’ cleared up.
Like that’s gonna happen! *snort* 🙂
Saw that happen when I picked up my carry piece and routinely see kids (well under 20 anyway) denied use of the range when they come in reeking of weed.
“unchecked right”
Now that’s funny
And a very sad telling
Basically just the same old blood in the streets raving you always get from the Democrats. We have heard it all before, and by now the only people who buy into this kind of hysterical raving are the useful id10ts like minor brain power and doofisian. Do these dummys actually believe that there aren’t loads of guns in the subway and on the streets right now? How is it worse if a citizen can respond to an attack by defending themselves, instead of having to just accept whatever the criminals dish out?
The open secret: they don’t mind crooks. Crooks can be bought. It’s the principled, lawful citizens who aren’t beholden to them that they fear and loathe and want to repress.
It reminds me of the section in 1984, where Winston talks about how the proles (the poor) are free. The Party doesn’t care what they do, because they’re not a threat to the Party.
But that’s just a work of fiction. The new Federal Board of Misinformation told me so.
The “Gun Control ratbassturds” as Debbie W. calls them seem to think that there are 1000s of people just waiting on some new law to be passed before they rush out and buy a gun and carry. And of course this predicted surge of new gun owners will create “blood in the streets” and make the job for police more dangerous. They argue that they nor the police will know who/whom is carrying while avoiding the obvious truth in that they Don’t know Now.
The conservatives mentioned are nothing less than RINOs. The 2A was written for the entire U S A and not for places other than NYC. The 2A is not regional in nature but national and it is chocked full of common sense that the left/woke choose to ignore. We shouldn’t have to pass laws giving us the right to self protection for the very idea that we all want to preserve our lives should be self evident and easily understood common sense.
Confession time: kinda luv the idea of New Yorkers rendered defenseless at all times & in all places.
It’s a ‘cosmic justice/karma’ thing.
I wonder how these people who just assume everybody who isn’t them is either a complete moron or a homicidal maniac in waiting steel the courage to eat out, take an Uber, drink a Starbucks or meet new people. Logic would dictate that if you can’t trust anyone to carry a gun responsibly than those same people you cannot trust shouldn’t be driving, serving you food, teaching your kids and definitely not running the government where they could cause magnitudes greater harm than if they just carried a gun.
The people making these predictions are projecting their lack of self control on to others. Their premise is if they think they are normal and others are like them, such a proposal would be a disaster in the making.
It isn’t just that they’re anti-gun or anti-free speech, it’s that they’re anti-freedom (for you). Only they deserve freedom because they’re the rulers. They’ll never be satisfied until they have complete control over their subjects.
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I was born and raised in NYC, and I got out as soon as I could. The government is corrupt, the people are nuts, the streets are dirty and dangerous, and the cost of living is higher than Willie Nelson at the White House.
Keep in mind that The Post is what passes as New York’s Conservative newspaper. What an asshat town.
Having spent a significant amount of time in NYC, both as a college student and on various work assignments, I can testify that it is far easier and quicker to acquire a handgun illegally than legally. As long as that condition exists, the bad guys will have the advantage.
It’s as if they are unable to process the fact that constitutional carry has been the law in many states for years and will soon be the law in a total of 25 states, yet none of their hellish predictions have ever come true. The same thing happened with shall-issue concealed carry. They are completely unaffected by the total failure of all their predictions. They don’t deserve to be listened-to at all.
As a loyal reader of the Post, that piece hurt my eyes. What a brain dead, ridiculous nonsense.
It’s is NOT as if hun control had stopped that psycho who shot people in the subway…the very example the AG gave to SCOTUS in favor of criminals and the well connected having guns.
Oh, well…
If New York has a permit system that allows adult non felons to carry semi auto guns most places…. that will mean anyone will be able to carry any guns anywhere no matter what? After reading this, it’s clear that either I have no idea how English works or the author of this piece is a liar.
I guess in retrospect, both might be true. It’s entirely possible that I don’t know how English works AND the author is a liar.
Their lips are moving? They’re lying.
**pearl clutching intensifies**
I look forward to 20% or more of the population of New York City to begin to legally carry firearms. And I look forward to 75% of the businesses in New York City, to begin having guns on their property. That will take care of the 3 or 4% of the New York City criminal population.
The next great debate is going to be whether or not Property Owners can ban the possession of firearms on their property???
Because the vast majority of residence in the city of New York are renters. They are not property owners.
“I look forward to 20% or more of the population of New York City to begin to legally carry firearms.”
In Florida, it’s now about 10 percent have carry permits.
What will be entertaining is how NYC will handle the flood of applications. If I Haz a question’s experience is a guide, the lawsuits will soon be flying…
Regardless of what is decided I am glad the wife and I got the permits before the rules change. I cannot imagine the wait time will go down or store availability will get better………….may need to do another 9mm order though…….and 22lr and shutting up before I am broke.
New Yorkers talk tough but they’re really just a bunch of sheep. Bernie Goetz seems to be the only New Yorker who has any sense when it comes to violent criminals. And that was back in 1984! Are there no other New Yorkers with a backbone?
Up until the end of the Civil War, there was an unrestricted right to carry weapons openly. The first “gun control” laws were enacted beginning in the early 19th century only banned the concealed carry of firearms.
After the war, gun control laws were enacted primarily to ban newly freed slaves from owing/carrying firearms, although Texas banned carrying pistols for everyone as a punitive measure after the war to prevent uprisings against the new government and Union troops. Those laws soon expanded in the beginning of the 20th century, which included the Sullivan Act, were intended to ban the possession of deadly weapons by the sudden surge of “undesirable” immigrant class. (Yes, New Yorkers, the Sullivan Act had undeniable racist roots.) Although such laws theoretically applied to whites, enforcement against whites was rare except in the case of violent altercations.
San Francisco enacted various weapons bans in the early 2oth century, but the state itself allowed open loaded carry everywhere until 1968, and open unloaded carry in urban areas until 2012.
The only thing more stupid than open un-loaded carry is a democrap.
Yes, the Irish gangs didn’t want the W-O-P-S and Y-I-D-S gangsters to have guns. They wanted to be the only ones with gun. Just finished reading a book about the Irish gangs. It ended with Whitey Bulger who hadn’t been caught yet. Also discussed Joe Kennedy’s connections with the Chicago mob during prohibition.
The law against loaded weapons was passed as emergency legislation and rushed to the goober nater’s desk for signature as soon as the vote was counted. What caused the panic was a peaceful march by the Black Panthers down the street in front of the capitol building while the legislators peed in their panties crouching inside said building. There was a war going on between the Oakland P.D. and the Panthers which the Panther were losing which led to the protest in Schitzomento. Actually, that is a misstatement. The Oakland P.D. had declared war on the Panthers. The Panthers really were only responding in self-defense. They didn’t not carry out proactive operations against the OPD.
In 2012, some protestors started carrying unloaded weapons openly. That got the snowflakes all in a tizzy and resulted in the turkeys in Schitzomento outlawing open carrying of weapons everywhere. You have to take a locked case to the gun store to pick up a handgun. You can carry a long gun out to your car and from your car to your domicile if it is in a box or a rifle case. I won a shotgun three years ago and got to carry it home in the box.
Wait, wait, wait!!! WTAF???? If we allow “every Tom, Dick, and Harry” to carry (AFTER obtaining a permit – no one but an idiot thinks SCOTUS is going to go 2A absolutist in NYSRP). Let’s just say that we POTG score a homerun with NYSRP, and SCOTUS says, basically, that any “law-abiding citizen” who applies can get a permit, and carry concealed (basically, national “shall issue”) – and that is the absolute BEST that we can reasonably expect (and I don’t expect that much).
We currently have 42 “shall issue” states. Where is the blood running in the streets? Oh, in “blue” cities, of course – which uniformly have draconian gun control regimes (both law and actual practice). I guess, at least in most places, that feared outcome does not flow from the “horrible” policy the author is decrying.
So, what’s the sitch in good old NY (which already has some of the strictest gun control in the country)?? Well, if you’re willing to credit a “right wing” source like the NY Times, it looks like this:
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/27/us/fbi-murders-2020-cities.html#:~:text=New%20York%20City%20recorded%20about%20500%20homicides%20in,1992%2C%20one%20of%20the%20city%E2%80%99s%20most%20violent%20years.
N.B. – the period addressed by that statistic is primarily during a time when NYSRP wasn’t even officially on the docket of SCOTUS. The current statistics indicate that the rate of murders has at least remained even. While NY has its unconstitutional, irrational “gun control” regime still in place.
How can that be possible??? The streets of NY are ALREADY running with blood – and the very policies the author is advocating were in place the entire time. Hmmm.
That begs two questions:
1. Why has the murder rate gone through the roof in NY, while it already had strict gun control in place??; and
2. If the murder rate is already skyrocketing WITH these laws in place, what, exactly, is the catastrophe the author is trying to avoid???
The simple answer, to anyone with a brain (so we’re excluding dacian the stupid and MinorIQ) is that . . . THE BAD GUYS were ALREADY carrying guns. Perhaps because criminals don’t obey the laws??????
Allowing law-abiding people to carry guns will have ONE impact on crime – it changes the risk/reward calculation for criminals. If I’ve made my walkin’ around money from mugging and armed robbery, because I KNEW my victims were unlikely to be heeled, this would ridiculously increase my risk.
The criminals who’ve ALREADY been committing these crimes were breaking the law, already. The reason that the law-abiding citizens haven’t been carrying is because . . . it was against the law. CRIMINALS DON’T OBEY THE LAW. It ain’t rocket surgery, folks. The ONLY thing a ‘good’ ruling from SCOTUS would accomplish is to move potential victims from the category of ‘no risk’ to the category of ‘potential risk’. And, perhaps, in practice, result in a few more taxpayer relief shots.
And before you get started on your idiot rants, dacian the stupid and MinorIQ, the answer is “no”. No, I don’t give an aerial fornication at a rolling donut that some scumbag @$$hole who preys upon victims got shot trying to ply his trade. When you make the choice to engage in criminal activity, the converse is that you accept the consequences. “If you can’t do the time; don’t do the crime.”
“We currently have 42 “shall issue” states.”
43, and it will be 50-of-50 in a few weeks… 🙂
“…never did they intend to provide every American with an unchecked right to carry firearms whenever and wherever they liked.”
By “they” do you mean, like the Founding Fathers and the members of the Continental Congress? Those kind of guys? Because, they’re the ones who wrote it out. Let’s see what one of them also wrote:
“Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American… The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.”
–Tench Coxe
Its a “Unique” law that
disarms the good and coddles the criminals
civilians are the military therefor as armed as the military is
this is the one thing no one thinks of
you are welcomed !!
Just tells me the criminals, er..politicians, are afraid of an armed citizenry.
As they should be.
Harriet who? Tubman? iirc she liked to carry a Colt Dragoon, and the Democrats put a bounty on her head.
Most of the stuff about her is BS and myth
The NY Post is neoconservative garbage, not much better than their liberal competition
Don’t think too hard about those restrictions that existed when the second amendment was written.
You might figure out that Democrats have a history long predating the AR-15 of demanding that firearms never mix with anything black.
Yet states with shall-issue permit laws or Constitutional Carry laws have lower rates of “gun” crimes. The simple logic that criminals don’t target people who may be able to fight back is lost on these mor0ns. They are unable to grasp that criminals don’t care about guns laws and these restrictions only impede the rights of law-abiding citizens.
More guns, less crimes isn’t just a catch-phrase. It’s true.
Exactly what is it they mean by “New York”, if it faces an existential threat from the citizens of New York?
“never did they intend to provide every American with an unchecked right to carry firearms whenever and wherever they liked.:
Oh really? Thes quotes of our founding faters say otherwise.
John Adams: “Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual discretion… in private self-defense.”
Samuel Adams: “That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United states who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms.” ( in Phila. Independent Gazetteer, August 20, 1789)
Cesare Beccaria: “The laws that forbid the carrying of arms…disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Can it be supposed that those who have the courage to violate the most sacred laws of humanity…will respect the less important and arbitrary ones… Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants, they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.”
Tench Coxe: “Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man gainst his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an Americans.”
Trench Coxe: “As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize,… The people are confirmed by the next article in their right to keep and bear arms.”
Alexander Hamilton: “The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed.” (“The Federalist Papers”. Book by Alexander Hamilton, essay No. 69, 1787 – 1788.)
Alexander Hamilton: “…that standing army can never be formidable (threatening) to the liberties of the people, while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to them in the use of arms.”
Alexander Hamilton: “If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons entrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair”.
Patrick Henry: “Are we at last brought to such a humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our own defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in our possession and under our own direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?”
Paprick Henry: “The great object is, that every man be armed…Every one who is able may have a gun.” (Speech of June 14, 1788)
Patrick Henry: “The people have a right to keep and bear arms.
Thomas Jefferson: “That it is their right and duty to be at all times armed.”
Thomnas Jefferson: “A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks.” (Colin Jarman The Guinness Dictionary of Sports Quotations (1990).)
Thomas Jefferson: “Free men do not ask permission to bear arms”
Thomas Jefferson: “No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms”
I have more similar quotes!
Rex . Good job, you stole my thunder lol . Dittos . . .
Guns don’t kill! People do! 37 years in law enforcement and I still haven’t seen a gun fire itself! Seen a lot of strange shiff and weirdos but no self firing weapons!
wha??????
Obviously, the writer doesn’t live in the ‘real world’. Gun laws, like any law. apply only to the law-abiding. Criminals, by definition, don’t abide by them. The ‘gun violence’ that occurs in NY and other locations across the country are committed by criminals who violate already existing laws. So what’s the point in denying law-abiding citizens the right to defend themselves from criminals who already have and use guns illegally? It is the Socialist/Communist agenda of eventually banning all guns to make it easier to control us. Control the guns, control the people. As John Wayne once said: ‘If everybody carried a gun, the world would be a whole lot politer place’.
Furthermore, the case for reasonable limitations on the Second Amendment is not particularly fresh. The fact that government regulations on guns date back centuries and that the Founders intended for that tradition to continue when they drafted the Second Amendment is one of the reasons why many conservative legal experts actually support New York’s law. They argue that they never intended to give every American an unrestricted right to carry firearms whenever and wherever they pleased.
link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cl2wYEIpt0Y
Unfortunately, federal gun control laws are rarely (if ever) “reasonable.
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