From mikeb302000’s comment under the post Gunloons and the Pretense of Diversity:

The pretentions of gun bloggers and commenters that they’re not racists and/or misogynists and/or homophobes is laughable. Good luck getting them to admit it, though.

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  1. Whatchu’ tawkin’ `bout Willis?

    mikeb302000 and his hoplophobic friends must be really grasping at straws.

    I’m Asian-American. 1st generation. Born right here in the USA. The people I’ve met will at classes and at ranges are as diverse as any.

  2. As a normal, civilized, decent human being who just happens to be gay (which I don’t announce nor hide; I’m just me), I haven’t experienced any homophobic attitudes. There is certainly a high percentage of “gun people” who belong to/support (maybe they don’t care and I’m sure it is unknowingly) groups who are very anti-gay. But it is what it is.

    • Good for you, Jerry. FYI, there’s a national group called “Pink Pistols” which is gay-focused but open to all. The group’s motto is “Armed Gays Don’t Get Bashed.” To which I add, “armed ANYONE doesn’t get bashed.”

      Guns have no prejudices.

  3. It sounds like MikeB and company have their own prejudices they need to get over before they start casting stones.

  4. Kenn Blanchard, the Black Man With A Gun, is having a get-together this week at a range. I’ll be sure to let him know that he is a racist.

  5. It seems like “racist” and “homophobe” are standard accusations leveled against anyone with non-leftist opinions these days. Much like right wing extremists of the 1950s would call anyone they didn’t like a “red”. The right to self defense has nothing to do with race or sexual orientation. By the way, “fat, white, middle-aged males” sounds more like Michael Moore than many of the shooter I know.

  6. Oops. I intended to say “many of the shooterS I know”. I hope that mistake doesn’t make me a racist and a homophobe.

  7. From what I have read and the responses or the lack of on his site I don’t think much of what this clown thinks matters. Observe a thread that just died… ‘”mikeb302000 said…
    Anonymous, I’m afraid you’re exaggerating. No one is saying it’s all the dad’s fault and the teenage girl has no responsibility for what she did. Only you’re saying we say that, which is not true, and then you rail and rant against that as if we really did say it.

    This trick must be taught by the NRA, it’s so diffuse among you guys.

    Are you so biased that you refuse to admit the gun owner was wrong to leave a gun there?

    January 3, 2011 8:49 AM”

    My response… ‘ Anonymous said…
    “Anonymous, I’m afraid you’re exaggerating.”

    What exactly is being exaggerated?

    “No one is saying it’s all the dad’s fault and the teenage girl has no responsibility for what she did. Only you’re saying we say that, which is not true, and then you rail and rant against that as if we really did say it.”

    Where do I say this? Is it in here? …Oddly enough everyone on here (being biased) leaves out a simple fact in this case. A teenage girl killed someone. She picked up a gun and pulled the trigger. Training is absurd. Owner responsibility is absurd. The fact is that this stupid, no common sense bitch would have killed someone eventually in some other way anyways. You watch TV, you see guns kill. You see finger on trigger and BANG! What else did she expect? Where I come from the smallest child that can understand language knows not to point a gun at anyone. Clearly this man had some teenies in his house he trusted to be smart enough not to fire guns at each other. This was stupid, no doubt. But this girl needs to be put in a home. The man needs a kick in the balls among other things for being so stupid…

    Is it in here? …Anonymous said…
    ‘FWM and Zorro, When do you figure you’ll need such defenses?’

    I’ll answer for them. How about when the need arises. It does you know. Read the news. Crimes happen everyday.

    ‘Anonymous, What are you sayin’, we should just lock the bitch up and problem solved.’

    I didn’t say lock her up. I said put the dumb bitch in a care home. Padded walls and junk. She clearly is mentally unfit. She clearly is too stupid to be let to run amuck. Yes, mistakes happen. But pointing a gun at someone at that age? Should someone else suffer in this train wreck of stupidity?

    ‘Yours is the most simplistic worldview I’ve heard in a while. Kids watch TV, they should know better.’

    Refreshing isn’t it? No crap, no grey area. Just statement. If you are 12 or so and live on this planet and do not know that guns kill could you please direct me to the newly established garden. Which way to Eden? That way?! Oh thanks! Seriously. You think that labeling her as a kid changes the fact that she should have known better? Kids don’t need ‘training’ to know that guns kill. If the kids (tweens, sorry) are so dull nowadays get on your knees and pray because he is coming back soon…

    December 31, 2010 11:12 AM…

    I don’t see it. Are you exaggerating?

    “This trick must be taught by the NRA, it’s so diffuse among you guys”.

    Funny, I see no trick. I hardly have to resort to them posting on here. I also know the NRA is the National Rifle Association. Oddly enough I am Canadian so I never had the opportunity to join 😉 The statement does reveal a lot about you though. Blanket statements, relying on insult when all else has gone astray. Its funny really. Many on here label gun owners as dumb. If you weren’t fighting for a silly cause and against most gun owners there would be no differentiating indicator to tell you apart from them. Most definitely intelligence isn’t a factor.

    “Are you so biased that you refuse to admit the gun owner was wrong to leave a gun there?”

    And you are so blinded with your pre-established notations of others that you neglect to read what they have written on your own blog before writing a silly post. Read on. My quote from this previous post… Clearly this man had some teenies in his house he trusted to be smart enough not to fire guns at each other. This was stupid, no doubt. But this girl needs to be put in a home. The man needs a kick in the balls among other things for being so stupid…

    Yeah… I hardly see this getting posted however. It makes you look silly, Mod.

    January 3, 2011 9:28 AM

    To say he no longer responds to my questions or statements is an understatement. He goes about the threads as if I did not write anything in reply. It is quite sad really. The thread was about the teen that shot the other and he was throwing some opinons and slander against me thinking I was a member of the NRA (Im Canadian) and it totally backfired.

    • I admit I sometimes stereotype gun owners. But more often than not I make it clear that I’m talking about a small percentage, which means I have no problem with most.

      Of course when you guys paint yourselves as ALL responsible, I feel you lose credibility.

      • I have read many of your posts. There is little to nothing there to support you saying you are talking about a small percentage and not all. I used to read your posts with a tinge of interest. Now I know you just wave your brush (or would white flag be better in this case?) around and paint anyone who does not share your sentiment.

  9. I don’t know why this blog responds so much to mikeb302000, as he is clearly a troll. He intentionally posts inflammatory statements for the sake of irritating others, and thus is clearly not interested in a rational discussion- but rather attention, just as a troll would do.
    I like this blog and I don’t want it to be a back and forth with a troll.

    • Right, exactly my point just more to the point. The guy just says ‘No’ when others say ‘Yes’ for the sake of it. He has no intelligent argument or opinion but is just as you say, a troll.

        • Bullshit. If you’re not looking for a reaction, then why all of the posts dedicated to attacking pro-gun posters? What about the posts whose only purpose is to reveal personal details about the pro-gun posters? What about all of the other posts solely for the purpose of trying to get a rise out of people? This has nothing to do with agreeing or disagreeing with positions. In fact the discussions are what made your blog worth reading previously.

          Robert, put me down as a +1 on the list of people who rather you not write any more blog posts dedicated to these trolls.

  10. These days, you know your winning the argument when some leftist/ socialist/ communist calls you a racist/ homophobe/ hater… whatever. At that point they have nothing left “intellectually”, because once the party line is exhausted, there is only anger and lashing out in violence or leaving the plantation. And that last option will get the Marxist fool thrown in the same hole they want you tossed into.

    Remember above all else, commies eat their own first. Don’t take my word for it, read history…

  11. “mi·sog·y·ny–noun: hatred, dislike, or mistrust of women.”

    Actually I am really quite fond of women in ever so many ways. I mean, seriously, have you ever seen a pretty girl smile? How can you *not* love it? As for the mistrust thing . . . my wife, sister and mother all have access to my bank accounts, Mom actually had an unlimited power of attorney from me for 6 years while I was in the Navy.

    And as for homophobia, since I am married and monogamous I am, perforce, heterosexual in my activities, but that doesn’t stop me from appreciating a pretty little Mediterranean boy in tight jeans . . . 😉

    And racism; Nope, doesn’t work for me either. As I am insanely Libertarian and one of the fundamental tenets of Libertarianism is to look at people as individuals instead of classes any sort of bigotry is pretty much out the window as far as I’m concerned.

  12. Ronert, The stereotype gun owner is a stereotype for a reason. No one made that up to attack you guys. Sure it’s unfair in that most of you are not like that, but many of you are.

    Why are you all so defensive about it? Wouldn’t it be better if you said something like, “You’re right. There are too many of those idiots among gun owners, but what can we do about it?”

    • “Why are you all so defensive about it? Wouldn’t it be better if you said something like, “You’re right. There are too many of those idiots among gun owners, but what can we do about it?”

      I, in fact, have said this. Of course there are idiots among gun owners. Of course there are idiots among car owners. Of course there are idiots in possession of whatever you can possibly name. But what can you do about it?! The reason people here are defensive of it – and I know you know this next statement is true. You run from them when they challenge you (I’m an example) with something you have no argument against – is because there are few to none of those people on here. Do you really think irresponsible gun owners come together and discuss topics of shooting, laws, crime and change or not change so we can learn to be more irresponsible? Do you think people come together on here to discuss safety and awareness so they can drop their gun and discharge it around the house for fun?

      You are blind due to the paint you throw. You’ve swung the white flag so forcefully that it has become entangled around your empty head. Thank God that you were born or live in Western society. Guns and the people who possess them are the ones who grant you the ability to whine and moan about their hard won efforts. Cart yourself to Africa and toss around some pancake love and see how long you hang around.

      Sorry mod. Couldn’t resist.

      • Burr, I was enjoying and agreeing with your first paragraph. The guys who write gun blogs and comment on them, I would imagine, are among the best the gun world has to offer. But, what about the vast majority who just don’t give a shit. When it suits, you claim them as your own with statements like “there are 80 million of us.” But, when I point out the misbehavior of one of them, you disown him. In this very comment thread you’re talking about how responsible and free from blame are the tiny percentage of gun owners who are passionate enough to write about guns.

        That was the part I agreed with.

        The part about my freedom of speech being due to “guns and the people who possess them” is arrogant and self-aggrandizing bullshit. So forgive me if I’m not grateful to you and your friends.

        The truth is you’re not, even the ones with an internet presence, the standard bearers of freedom and paragons of virtue that you pretend to be. You’re just guys who like guns. Why don’t you come down to earth and admit it. You have various reasons for liking guns, some of which I’ve denigrated in my writings, but that’s the bottom line, you like guns. There’s nothing noble or patriotic or lofty about it. All that comes later when you scramble about to justify.

  13. I’m a gun owner and a democrat and a proponent of CCW. I am not a single issue voter. I now await the usual responses to all of that, including wild, unsupported claims about the president’s agenda and the usual “slippery slope” argument regarding the regulation of firearm ownership and use. Both extremes of the debate over 2nd Amendment rights are ridiculous, in my opinion. As to the issue of racism among gun owners, I will say this: A quick perusal of any of the major gun forums, specifically those that devote a fair amount of bandwidth to CCW, will show you a level of anti-Obama sentiment with thinly disguised (or quite open) racist attitudes as components that seem to noticeably exceed average levels. A disproportionate number of forum participants who identify their race are white, and many of these are not shy about expressing their racial biases. I’ve attended classes with NRA approved instructors where it was just assumed that because I’m white I must share those attitudes. 

    Painting with a broad brush and lumping all gun owners/2nd Amendment advocates together as flaming racists and homophobes is unfair and not supported by the evidence, but to •not• acknowledge that there’s some degree of correlation is just silly. That correlation may or may not be as strong as it appears to be (for example, it could be that the racists just tend to be more vocal), but it does exist. 

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