Illinois has a new Attorney General, Kwame Raoul. He rose to fame by filling Barack Obama’s former Illinois State Senate seat way back when. And now he’s bringing his equally far-left perspective to his statewide office as the Land of Lincoln’s top prosecutor.
Regarding Chicago’s infamous crime problems he told Illinois News Network:
“We cannot prosecute and incarcerate our way out of the gun violence impacting many communities across the state,” Raoul said.
Except that’s not true.
Florida’s 10-20-Life sentencing enhancement law brought the Sunshine State’s firearm violent crime rate down to historic lows. Under that statute, offenders with a gun in a violent crime get ten extra years of hard time. No probation, no parole, no plea deals. Just hard time. Discharging the gun earns them 20 years extra hard time on top of the sentence for the underlying crime. Injuring someone with gunfire buys ’em 25 years to life.
Illinois, on the other hand, has a revolving door criminal justice system. Offenders like violent, gun-toting home invaders are sentenced to…thirty months probation. This particular home invader’s probation curfew, via electronic home monitoring, was lifted a few months after it began. Two weeks later, cops say he murdered an off-duty Chicago Police Officer and wounded another person.
This (alleged) cop killer’s case isn’t the only home invader armed with a gun who received probation in Cook County, either.
And Prairie State politicians wonder why we have a crime problem.
But Illinois’ Attorney General says we can’t prosecute and incarcerate our way out of the city’s horrendous gun gang violence problem. That’s more than a little reminiscent of another claim that we couldn’t drill our way out of high gasoline prices.
All you have to do to fight these problems is actually want to do something about them. Attorney General Raoul apparently has no stomach for that.
“‘We cannot prosecute and incarcerate our way out of gun violence”
How would you know if you never try?
Well they certainly won’t prosecute and incarcerate their way to lower crime rates with prosecutors and judges that owe their jobs to the gangs no matter how hard law enforcement works.
Unfortunately, Chicago needs Federal intervention.
This ^^^^^^ Kim Foxx being another fine example of a gang owned prosecutor. And it is an insult to real prosecutors to even call those IL frauds that.
Hell, you cannot even prosecute a fake hate crime if it fell on your head.
Those two MAGA bums deserve the death penalty for hurting poor Jesse.
Jesse should be charged with a “hate crime”, that is why he did it.
That’s as stupid as
“We cannot kill our way out of this war”- Marie harf
Another regular Einstein of the dumbocrat party.
I’m not sure why they think things work differently than reality.
I’d accept their proposition that you can’t prosecute their way out of gun violence if their postion was that they should not be minting more criminals and that being free ain’t easy.
However they take the position that they can’t prosecute the criminals to reduce gun violence, but they can prosecute the law abiding gun owner by passing laws to make them criminals, and that will somehow end gun violence.
He’s one of the leaders of the “alternatives to incarceration” and “bail reform” soft-on-crime attitudes that is sweeping across Illinois thanks to our deep blue political leadership.
I might add that “alternatives to incarceration” pretty much informally only apply to “people of color”. OFWGs, especially conservative/MAGA/gun owners/Republicans still face looonnnnggggg prison terms from Democrat State’s Attorneys.
Folks, they are trying to bring Chicago-style crime to all of Illinois.
He is also responsible for getting rid of the death penalty in Illinois. He is a defense attorney masquerading as a prosecutor much like that imbecile kim foxx the state’s attorney of crook county. If they want to be social workers then let them but don’t use the prosecutor’s office as your vehicle.
yeah,..she’s a real piece of work!…
More like “complicit on crime.” We’ve seen how these sorts of programs consistently end up aiding & abetting criminal activity, while rewarding the politicians with federal fix-it money as well as local kickbacks from the criminal organizations.
I wonder how much he paid for Obama’s old state senate seat, and to whom? Blagovich was hardly a unique scumbag in that world of shytown sleaze, and it always struck me how Obama was singularly ignored during the investigation of Rod’s sale of Obama’s US Senate seat, as though he’d had nothing to do with the transaction & just washed his hands of Illinois after he was anointed. Especially now, given what we’ve learned about how much interference the FBI runs for their friends in these sorts of investigations.
And, don’t forget George Soros gave State’s Attorney Kim Foxx $4mil to her campaign. Tho, she may be on her way out, now.
I can only imagine the frustration of Chicago’s good cops. You go to work every day hoping to do some good in your town and you quickly come to the realization you’re accomplishing nothing. The system is undoing everything you’re trying to do. So then where’s your motivation to go the extra mile – or extra yard, for that matter?
Or extra foot? Inch?
I’m so glad I moved out of Illinois. Born and raised there 18 years. Unfortunately after college I moved to WA in 2002. It was ok at that time and not bad gun rights wise at all. Oh how things have changed. I think both states are having a battle on which can be more Communist. Idaho looks better every day.
Did he just admit that gun control doesn’t work? Because that’s what it sounds like to me.
“Did he just admit that gun control doesn’t work? Because that’s what it sounds like to me.”
Actually….no. He made a much needed public service announcement:
1. We cannot end violence caused by criminals
2. Instead we will work to take guns away from non-criminals; shows we are doing something about gun violence.
Actually, it’s people violence. Various means can be employed to achieve the ends (violence), e.g. knives, hammers, ligatures, tire irons, vehicles, aircraft (remember 9/11?), bare hands, firearms, and on and on ad nauseum.. So, gun violence is really violence accomplished with a gun. Gun violence, in and of itself, is not a thing. Violence, on the other hand, is.
“Actually, it’s people violence.”
Yes it is. But, irrelevant.
We futilely insist on fighting the war with our favored weapons (logic, accuracy, data), while refusing to note how ineffective are those weapons in winning the battle. “Gun violence” is the religious term-of-use of gun-grabbers.
“1. We cannot end violence caused by criminals
2. Instead we will work to take guns away from non-criminals; shows we are doing something about gun violence.”
And what’s wrong with that? Oh wait I’m not a criminal. Darn, I thought I had it figured out. LOL.
“And what’s wrong with that? Oh wait I’m not a criminal. Darn, I thought I had it figured out. LOL.”
Well….you got pretty close!
So the idea is:
1) pass lots more gun laws that negatively effect law-abiding citizens
2) don’t punish criminals
Give 24 hours notice and then wall off chicago for a year and let things run their course.
Call Snake Pliskin.
If the law said anyone using a gun to commit a crime will be executed, and the court followed through on the first 2 or 3 gun crimes, it would stop over night! It’s pretty pathetic that these assclowns have no problem killing fetus’, but show so much sympathy to scumbags.
Sadly, like here in Ca, the gun enhancement is the first thing to go in a plea bargain, and the judges are all for it. The gun charge should always be on top and, if they must, plea bargain the other felony. This proves misuse of a firearm and would mean no guns for the convicted, no matter what.
The Plutoxin 7 virus is nothing more than a fast, hard-hitting case of the flu.
You are the Duke of New York, you are A number one!
Ok.
I can not understand this.
I think it’s reasonable to say that Chicago is proof that not prosecuting doe snot work.
Now this gentleman says prosecuting will not work?
What’s left – playing video games and pretending you live there?
“Doe Snot Work”?
A perfect example of why we need the ability to edit comments after they are published.
Kendahl…regarding the edit function….when finished typing your comment and contact info, before clicking “POST COMMENT”, click the box below the comment section “Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment.” and I believe you will be given an option for about 5 minutes to edit your comment once it s posted. There will be a “Click to Edit” option offered just below your just posted comment. The edit function is certainly hidden.
How about simply REadINg your comments before clicking “post comment”!
Guess you never heard of PROOF-READING! It’s become a lost art in this country since the left took over the education system.
” …doe snot work.”
What’s wrong with it? Ain’t nothing but “Deer Boogers”, and if you’ve ever needed to lube-up your 870, this stuff works!
That’s exactly what Illinois needs – The Florida Statute 775.087,[1] known informally as the 10-20-Life law. I’ve been suggesting a “Constitutional Law” change similar to that for necessary incarceration of individuals promoting the gun violence we see day in and day out.
Why can’t Illinois politicians promote Gun Laws similar to that of FLS775.87? One of our LEO’s was shot by an individual having a “RAP” sheet that was 20 pages in length. What the H*** was he doing out on the streets.
Come on Illinois, get with the program.
That’s because the Chicago machine is in bed with the gangs particularly aldermen. Couple of years ago I believe it was the tribune that published a expose of the whole sordid mess.
We’re trying. The deck is stacked against the good guys.
They only want to take the guns off the streets, not the criminals. Once all guns are gone, the criminals will return to whatever socially responsible activities they previously did. Singing in the choir, delivering packages, taking out the trash, protesting and social justice, and maybe even running for office with the Democratic party! Just those nasty guns keep corrupting those otherwise decent folk!
“Once all guns are gone, the criminals will return to whatever socially responsible activities they previously did.”
By Jove, I think you’ve got it.
“‘We cannot prosecute and incarcerate our way out of gun violence”
Can we incarcerate or prosecute our way out of BLM hoax-hate crimes?
The world wonders….
Hey , he’s sticking up for his boys,,, waddya expect?
It was his “communities” doing 95% of the shootings in the state.
He’s right but he’s wrong. We can incarcerate our way out if the jail cell is on death row. F-K-A.
Work was hard so we didn’t try…unmentioned by Boch is ILLinois is beyond broke and tettering
on bankruptcy. Prickster wants toLi fill a 3.2billion dollar hole by taxing the “rich”(who can move). Federalize ILLinois crime. Start with Cabrini Green Kim Foxx…
Cabrini Green was knocked down years ago. The good residents were sent to Rockford and a few other cities.
Well until we can get these violent gunms to an anger management class , no .
What he really means is “we cannot prosecute and incarcerate” our loyal Democrat voters. ‘Cause they be felons they cannot easily vote…..they then have to vote as dead loyal voters. After all it is Illinois.
Exactly.
Progressives have amply demonstrated: they wield government almost exclusively to suppress their political enemies rather than wielding government for its righteous role which is punishing evil-doers.
Of course if you ask a Progressive, they will tell you that wielding government to suppress their political enemies is indeed using government to punish evil-doers — because that is how they view us. Yes, you read that correctly. Progressives view us as evil-doers because we do not share their mentality.
The Chicago City Council (and more than a little of the Chicago PD) is run by the gangs.
You might as well put Renfield in charge of the blood bank.
Somebody else is making the decisions.
Did that start with Al Capone?
Actually I disagree. I think he has a great point. What is that point you may ask? Well, if you put laws on the books someone has to enforce e.g. prosecute them. That means that no matter what “common sense gun laws” they pass they won’t fix the gun violence problem. That means they shouldn’t even be passed in the first place.
Can’t prosecute and incarcerate out of gun violence? Soooo, since laws merely set a precedent for how to punish crimes, ala prosecution and incarceration, passing anti-gun laws would be ineffective.
Sounds to me like he just agreed with our general stance on gun control.
I won’t hold my breath waiting for him to say it’s a cultural problem though.
He means to say that if everyone is in prison, no need to incarcerate anyone. If law abiding citizens are truly law abiding, they’ll proceed to board the train without making a scene.
“Illinois Attorney General: ‘We cannot prosecute and incarcerate our way out of gun violence’”
Exactly what I’d expect him to say, considering…
Yo, dummy, you make gun crimes a 20-year minimum. And life for the second one. No plea bargaining down to misdemeanors or that kind of bull. Make the time not worth the crime. No manslaughter for gang shootings either, real murder charges.
Tim, there’s usually a reason why they don’t stop the gangs. It usually involves money. Who’s making money off of the gangs? Who’s paying their bond? Who’s letting them back on the street? Who’s taking a cut of the drug deals?
So what would someone get for their 13th arrest for a felon with a gun? That happened about a month ago. In most cases the gun charge gets dropped. Yesterday the bond for a guy that stole $2900 worth of comic books was $10000. For an assult the bond was $1000.
Large groups of kids are going to water tower place and attacking whites and stealing things, no arrests made.
The gangs help the politicans get elected no wonder it will never change
“So what would someone get for their 13th arrest for a felon with a gun?”
Statistically speaking in Chicago they’d get their 14th arrest for a felon with a gun.
“We cannot prosecute and incarcerate our way out of gun violence” …So instead they’ll prosecute and incarcerate legal gun owners, and let the criminals kill off or chase away the rest.
Sounds like a plan!
Time for Mr Raoul to retire!
If you allow your citizens to arm themselves and shoot back, some of the issues resolve themselves…
Said by a black man about young black men
we can’t “ban” our way out either
tried that with alcohol and drugs…both total failures!!!
I’ve never met a violent gun. Violent people, but no violent guns.
On the one hand he’s got an overly simplistic statement here.
OTOH, he’s partly right.
The overarching problems cannot be solved by prosecution and incarceration alone but aggressive prosecution and incarceration is part of breaking the cycle that currently exists. So, you’re not going to simply prosecute your way out of this but you won’t solve the problem if you refuse to prosecute either. You have to remove the career criminals who are recruiting younger people into a criminal lifestyle. However, if you fail to fix the problems that are creating the career criminals you’ll just end up with new ones.
Could it actually be, as it appears, that Illinois has a fatal aversion to actually punishing armed criminals and criminal violence, or does it just appear that way. One wonders. Might government there have somehow discovered that it’s easier, less troublesome to attack the law abiding than to take significant action against armed crime and criminals? Again, one wonders.
Raoul rhymes with fool. As in, if you voted for that jadrool, you’re a fool.
This must be another April Fools joke, right? If you don’t prosecute and incarcerate bad behavior how will it ever stop?
Illinois is broke. This plays into their gun violence.
In Chicago, former NYPD Deputy Commissioner John Miller told CBS News, “In Chicago, you’ve got a 50-50 chance that you’re not going to do any jail time…(and)…33 percent of those cases are dismissed outright” The city is one of the leaders in plea bargains. It can not afford otherwise. As it is, only 17% of the murders get solved. The courts would be clogged with defendants seeking jury trials. Drop the gun charge, offer a short sentence, and move on. “When it comes to prosecuting crimes committed with firearms, Chicago ranked eighty out of eighty-seven regions in 2011. Los Angeles ranked eighty-third, and San Francisco ranked dead last at eighty-seven – the lowest prosecution rate for gun-related crimes.” Keep in mind “Chicago Police Department recovered 7,000 guns per year that had been illegally owned or associated with a crime between 2013 and 2016”
Chicago also cannot house the current 10,000 inmates it has As a result, felons get reduced sentences and are back out on the streets to re-offend the public again. The city isn’t building more jails, instead they are closing some of them. “Chicago’s political leaders choose to close prisons to help shore up the city’s $9 billion of debt.”
Then there are the gangs. “Chicago is home to some 100,000 gang members who reportedly commit seventy-five to eighty percent of the city’s homicides.”
https://www.axios.com/chicago-gun-violence-murder-rate-statistics-4addeeec-d8d8-4ce7-a26b-81d428c14836.html
http://www.netadvisor.org/2015/08/11/murder-in-chicago-politicians-tough-on-guns-weak-on-criminal-prosecution/#.WAzmOdxHaf0
So it’s easier to take guns away from Law abiding citizens than scary criminals. Got it.
Yeah, and “We can’t drill our way to lower gas prices” either. lol
Charlie
Looks like this guy will provide SOSDD (same ol’ shit different day)
“‘We cannot prosecute and incarcerate our way out of gun violence”
Indeed, prosecuting and incarcerating peaceful, responsible gun owners does nothing to help with gun violence. He’s catching on.
Come on! We all know this guy will target “lawful” gun owners who never commit any serious crime! He’s going To be Anti-2nd Amendment, Anti-U.S. constitutional/Bill of Rights, Pro-“Red Flag Laws” against Lawful weapons ownership, etc..But we all know if YOUR Obama connected in inner circles like that J. Smollets guy, LGBTQXYZ, and are black…The DNC will “grant, or buy YOU ” Justice….Our country has turned into a 3rd world 🌎 Travesty…
Clearly he’s a fan of The Chicago Way.
Chicago is a lost cause, just peruse the 2nd City Cop blog for post after post detailing incompetence & corruption of their ‘justice’ system.
One good recent example is of the recent murder of an off-duty cop by a repeat felon who of course was treated with kid gloves (by a notoriously ‘woke’ judge Clap).
Now try and tell me that crime can’t be reduced by prosecuting & jailing?
http://www.cwbchicago.com/2019/03/judge-released-accused-cop-killer-from.html
Illinois is pushing some really bad gun laws. I bet if someone is found in violation of those unconstitutional gun laws they would be punished harder than some of the criminals were punished that were in this article. So someone who wants to exercise a right = SUPER DUPER BAD PERSON. Someone who goes and commits a violent crime = not a really bad person.
I guess there is no point in gun control laws, then.
looking more and more like chicago is a lost cause….only martial law will ever clean up this place…..
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