Illinois State Police To Use Registration to Confiscate Guns From Revoked FOID Holders

1. “Illinois State Police To Use Registration to Confiscate Guns From Revoked FOID Holders”

   Of course they are, and this is just the start…

   • According to the ISRA (Illinois State Rifle Association), it wasn’t the ISP’s (Illinois State Police) fault. The guy commited a crime out of state and that state did not report it to the Feds so, the ISP didn’t know about the crime.

2. Yeah, that sure sounds like the start of a STASI Police State! Problably with orders to kill “gun owners” in the future….

   • “Orders” do not always equate to successful missions or tactics.

3. Having a FOID card does not equal having a firearm. People have them to rent a firearm or because a family member has a firearm.

   • Read the article. The FTIP is the ISP hotline used to check if a FOID is still valid. ISP can request the 4473 from the FFL or look at particulars when used in a “private” transfer. All private transfers are required by law to call the ISP with both FOID holders’ numbers.

     So if you think they can’t get any info, you are mistaken.

     • In my experience, most gun owners have at least one firearm that is “off the books” or otherwise not recorded anywhere, including social media. Good luck with that database/info collection. That might be the one that shoots some gun grabber.

       • Or that gun could be the one used to kill a domestic partner, or it could be the one used in a school shooting, or it could be the one used to assassinate someone of the wrong religion or the wrong color because the gun owner is an unhinged racist. Or it could be the A.R. 15 used by the wacko shooting up a pizza parlor because of Fox News propaganda.

       • Or it could be the one that shoots some assholes attempting a home invasion.

     • They ISP only want the FOID of the BUYER not the seller for private sales. So they only know someone ran a check on you, NOT who sold it to you, what they sold to you or even if you actually bought something.

       And better yet, the law offers civil immunity for the seller if they use the verification process – but there are no criminal or petty offense charges if you do not do the check. So the guy who just had his FOID revoked could just say he sold the gun. Or you could just say the gun was lost/stolen. You only have to report it ONCE you KNOW it is missing, so anyone can claim that they only new it was missing once they receive the letter. Even if they manage to convict you of not reporting, it is a maximum of a $1000 fine petty offence.

       As for the FFL, what, do you think that the Feds don’t keep track of who received a background check and from what FFL?

   • Regardless of (unconstitutional) legislation to the contrary, a FOID card is NEVER legal.

     Where exactly in the 27 words of the Second Amendment does it say or even imply that any government agency has the authority to require that you get (pay for) a card from the government authorizing you to exercise your Second Amendment protected right to keep and bear arms?

     This kind of shit has got to stop!

4. Wow, registration really does lead to confiscation?!?!?! Who’d a thunk it?

   • No, domestic battery or terroristic threatening or other illegal behavior leads to confiscation of your guns, just as it should be.

     If the Aurora shooter’s guns had been confiscated properly, perhaps there would be a few less dead people.

     • if the ISP had actually done their jobs then there would be a few less deats, or if the ISP didnt demand that FFLs use their system instead of a NICS check maybe there would be a few less death.

       sorry your great protectors and their laws to keep you safe are the ones who failed you

5. The real problem is gun free zones where only a sign on the door allegedly protects the innocents which nothing is being done about. Someone who is a suicidal lunatic bent on a murdering spree is not going to stop because he got his FOID card revoked and the ISP confiscated his firearms “on record”. He will just get another gun via straw purchase, black market, or stealing one maybe killing someone in the process.

6. …Next stop gun owner internment camps and STASI Police-State Gun Confiscation commando squads and STASI Death Squads! And the most pro2@ people were worried about the Demo-Authoritarians and their SJW shills would have them UN-personed on social media…Well hang on to your hats! The next shots heard round the world 🌎 could be the start of another American Revolutionary War part 2…

7. The problem wasn’t that they didn’t go after him for a revoked FOID card. It’s the fact that they had him dead to rights on a class 2 felony and didn’t bother to arrest him.

   • ^ We have a winner!

     When they figured out he was a felon, they would have also known that
     1) He committed a felony by lying on his FOID card application
     2) He committed a felony by lying on the Form 4473 when he bought the gun
     3) He committed a felony by purchasing a firearm as a convicted felon

     They could have knocked on his door and thrown him in jail. But they didn’t.

     • #1 is 100% within the purview of the State Police. They could have sworn out a warrant and thrown him in jail any time after his fingerprints came back with a felony record.

       • I’t also in the preview of the ATF and they are not better, so I would not come down on the ISP. The fact is that unless a crime is being committed, the goverment in general could care less who has a gun.

         The Washington post may be a leftest rag, but I am more and more thinking that all this background check is a bunch of crap anyways. Best quote

         “In those documents, we’ve seen time and time again dealers going ahead and transferring guns when someone answered a question on background check form ‘I am a felon,’ ‘I am subject to a restraining order,’ ‘I was dishonorably discharged from the military,’ ” Gardiner said in a phone interview. “So, people who are not allowed to buy guns are actually answering the form honestly and still get a gun.”

         https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/09/11/lying-buy-gun-fear-not-feds/?utm_term=.0d9364e4af93

       • Except that the entire reason the FOID system exists is to allegedly prevent felons from getting a permit to buy guns and punish criminals. If they aren’t going to bother to even prosecute somebody for a felony on the same level as attempted murder, then why should we allow them to have the system in the first place?

   • pwrserge,

     Well, if police had arrested/prosecuted him, then he would not have murdered all those people and Illinois government would not have his horrendous actions to justify their Stasi tactics.

     I know some people will advance Hanlon’s razor, “Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence.” This happens so repeatedly, though, that I have to question whether governmental incompetence is to blame.

     Either way, this sets up a lose-lose situation for government and a win-win justification for firearm ownership. If governmental incompetence is to blame for the countless failures of police to remove dangerous people from society, then we cannot trust government to protect us and we must be able to protect ourselves — which requires firearms. If government malice is to blame for the countless failures of police to remove dangerous people from society, then we cannot trust government to refrain from attacking us and we must be able to protect ourselves — which requires firearms.

     • Government assumes that everyone who owns, or has access to, a firearm is a threat/dangerous person. They are correct. So don’t force us to demonstrate that.

       • (snicker)

         Okay, I’ll admit it, that made me laugh out loud!

       • Well said Gunny! Don’t make us demonstrate our level of commitment to not being run over. Said it before, when these politicians advocating gun confiscation and further erosion of the 2nd amendment start feeling pain (personal or at the ballot box) is when they will see the light. We must all remember that the number one priority of all politicians is to stay in office and gather all the benefits (money mostly) that comes from wielding power over the average citizen. This also explains the maze of laws/regulations we must navigate to open a business, build an addition on our homes, buy a gun, etc. They give carve-outs to this onerous legislation to their political allies and the police/fire unions, etc. I say make everyone including politicians live under the exact same laws; no exceptions. I know, it’s a pipe dream.

     • As one who works with government the razor is spot on. The malicious intent comes from never letting a crisis go to waste

     • I think both are applicable for most government workers.

       The malice come after the incompetence as a form of trying to cover for their inability to do the jobs they swore they could do if they were only given the power.

       IMHO, it’s the elected officials where it’s mostly malice from the jump.

       • I was going to debate you on that then I remembered my coworkers. I would gladly trade 75% of them for fresh boot recruits at the asvab minimum. At least then I would have a few willing to learn let alone work.

8. Maybe next time they vote in Illinois, they will remember which party stands up for the constitution & bill of rights, it sure ain’t the people they have in office now…,

   • … Which party would that be?

     • I sure wish I knew what party truly stands up for the Constitution because I’ve never heard of them.

       • Neither have I…. what party is that please?

   • A large problem is with the constituents. Why do you think they’re importing 3rd worlders into this country?

     1) It forces down the cost of labor and big business loves that

     2) The third worlders have no love for the Enlightenment ideals that birthed our country. They just want “gib me dats” and will vote for people who take money out of other people’s wallets and put it in their own.

     So long as the gibs keep flowing, they don’t care about government tyrrany.

     It’s actually quite a head scratcher as to why the Democrats are pro-abortion. They’re kneecapping the numbers of their main demographic of voters.

     • “It’s actually quite a head scratcher as to why the Democrats are pro-abortion. They’re kneecapping the numbers of their main demographic of voters.”

       There are a couple of reasons, one being demoralization of a society. But immediately, why would they risk generations that might escape indoctrination when there are ready made people willing to accept tyranny, having no clue what true individual liberty is? It’s replacement strategy going on.

9. Ummm…no real change from the stutus quo. If you expect ILLannoyed state po-leece to do their “job” you only need to see the pathetic,inept and corrupt job they do handing out speeding tickets on I-80…it’s a freakin’ motor speedway with azzholes routinely doing 100mph with impunity. I seriuously doubt they have the wherewithall for 2000000 gun owners-or more😄

10. The next time the Leftist control the ‘Levers of Power’, at the national level, expect this nationwide.

    And the sad thing is, Roberts cannot be trusted to rule gun registration is un-constitutional…

    • And 99% of the GOP in Washington are RINOs. That was a rude awakening for me this year. I believed that they really believed in the constitution. Silly me.

11. “While the weaknesses of our nation’s background check system remain daunting, we must take whatever steps we can, large and small, to strengthen the fabric of these systems because any improvement could be the one that makes the difference,” said Brendan F. Kelly, Acting Director of the Illinois State Police.

    As I just stated in a comment on another article yesterday or today, gun grabbers are quite content passing new laws that may be totally ineffective simply because, “It’s the right thing to do.” The fact that those laws harm good people is unimportant since the people who the laws harm are dreaded firearm owners.

12. The reality with the Illinois FOID card system is that it’s a far cry from a registration program.

    The state has no way of knowing how many guns I own. You want to come get my guns? Well, maybe you’ll find them all, but probably not.

    • I’m not sure I could find all the guns I have stashed in various places. Moving is going to be fun as I’m going to have to go through the house and find all my stash guns.

13. It sounds to me like the Illinois gun owners need to lay down and take it like good sheep. The thought that any organized resistance must never be spoken about. Gotta get up and go to work tomorrow and can’t let the fight for freedom stand in the way. Hell, someone may even die defending liberty.
    The day of “fight them in the courts” is over. The day of “call your representative” is over too. They do not care about you, the Constitution or the BOR. Either you stand together or you will certainly loose your freedom individually.

    • You rest comfortably behind your keyboard in the meantime, then, internet warrior…

    • Cleetus,

      The day of “call your representative” is over too. They do not care about you, the Constitution or the BOR.

      I agree completely.

      The day of “fight them in the courts” is over.

      Pretty much, although I would urge us all to wait a few more months for the U.S. Supreme Court ruling in the case New York State Rifle and Pistol Association vs. New York City. Why? We have good reason to believe that the U.S. Supreme Court will:
      (1) Rule that we have an unalienable right to keep and bear arms outside the home.
      (2) Require all courts to apply “strict scrutiny” to all Second Amendment cases.

      Note that our right to bear arms inside the home (already established in the Heller decision) and outside the home AND a strict scrutiny requirement on our Constitutionally enumerated right will invalidate virtually ALL gun control laws as unconstitutional, both at the federal level and state levels (state levels since the McDonald case applied the Second Amendment to the states).

      If the U.S. Supreme Court does that, we have the legal AND moral high ground going forward. At that point, whether we invoke the courts or less palatable methods, we will be on the right side of history as far as the masses are concerned. (Like it or not, it is highly desirable for the masses to support our cause.)

      To put that in perspective, imagine that tomorrow a city enacts racial segregation laws and declares its intention to vigorously enforce them. Of course the courts would be legally and morally obligated to issue immediate injunctions. Federal prosecutors could prosecute the offending city council members and police enforcers under federal laws for deprivation of rights under color of law. And juries would likely be unwilling to convict anyone of aggravated assault/murder for using deadly force to defend themselves from city segregation enforcers — assuming that any prosecutor would even be willing to attempt to try someone for it. That is how it would be if cities/states attempt to enforce laws which blatantly violate the Second Amendment as recently clarified in the Heller, McDonald, and (hopefully) New York State Rifle and Pistol Association cases.

      • What happens if the big court sides with new york?
        Half the states will follow suit and ban everything.

        • GS650G,

          If the U.S. Supreme Court fails their sacred and righteous duty to uphold the Second Amendment, then we have exhausted the proverbial soap box, ballot box, and jury boxes. The only two options at that point are to bend over and take it, or open the ammunition boxes.

14. Did anyone notice this little gem under the “Increasing Enforcement” section:

    The Division of Operations has been directed to immediately triage the FOID revocation list by Zone, develop a plan of action for the highest risk individuals … and conduct ISP-only enforcement operations as appropriate.

    Notice the specific mention of “ISP-only” enforcement operations. (Everywhere else in that document, the author involves Sheriffs and local police in enforcement actions.) I have to wonder if the Governor’s office defined this provision for “2nd Amendment sanctuary counties” where the local Sheriffs have stated publicly that they will not enforce Illinois laws that violate the 2nd Amendment. If that is true, the big question for those Sheriffs: will they simply stand aside and let the Illinois State Police violate the 2nd Amendment? Or will those Sheriffs stand WITH their constituents and ACTIVELY OPPOSE Illinois State Police enforcement actions which violate the 2nd Amendment?

    • Wow, good catch! I didn’t notice it.

    • The Sheriffs might end up on a list too.

15. When I was working I had to serve the occasional injunction for protection. Many of these were frivolous. I couldn’t legally leave the respondent in possession of firearms. However, nothing said I had to confiscate them. Me, “Do you have someone who can take custody of your firearms until this is resolved?” Them, ” Yes. My dad, brother, friend, etc.” Me, “Call them.” Notes on the return of service. “No firearms in the possession of the respondent.” Fuck the government.

    • Gadsden Flag,

      I like the way you think and operate.

      For reference my brother-in-law was a victim of a baseless restraining order. The only positive in that case: he had the overt legal option to hand his firearms over to relatives for the TWO YEARS that the restraining order ended up being in effect.

      Note: his wife did not exercise her option to renew the restraining order after their divorce was finalized. Otherwise, he could have been out of luck indefinitely. This is a blaring example of one of many possible abuses that should never be a basis for infringing on our right to keep and bear arms. And, not only does my brother-in-law’s case illustrate how easy it is to abuse the restraining order process, it also illustrates the futility of restraining orders: my brother in law is seriously huge and seriously strong (could have EASILY snapped his ex-wife like a twig with his bare hands if he wanted to), taking away his firearms did absolutely ZERO to reduce his ability to harm her and ZERO to increase her safety.

      • The ex-wives also throw the “he may have abused my child”. Good luck trying to prove a negative. It happened to an old college college friend’s brother. Messes with the kids’ brain too, when they know it’s not true.

        • Victoria Illinois,

          That actually happened to my wife’s uncle. (Apparently the men on her side of the family have a knack for choosing psycho women for wives.) Sadly, the wife actually trained their unknowing three year-old child how to say that dad had molested her. The child did not know any better and simply mimicked what mom told her. Rather than face the possibility of 20 years in prison for child rape in a trial, he plead guilty and went to prison for two years. He is to this day a registered sex offender even though he never molested anyone.

          In addition to the damage that did to my wife’s uncle, it was devastating long term to that daughter and their older son who first thought that dad split because he was a selfish S.O.B. and then later figured that his dad was a child molester.

    • Sometimes a simple “thank you” is all that’s required. Thank you, Gadsden – your story speaks volumes of your character and intent.

    • Need more cops like Gadsden Flag, yup.

16. There will be somebody, maybe several somebodies, that will get dead over this if it is actually implemented.

17. While the weaknesses of our nation’s background check system remain daunting

    You, clown f*ck. You are the weakness.

    • Stated differently: It’s not a bug, it’s a feature.

    • Are you stupid, or something? Reference Forrest Gump. Sorry, but you were asking for it. lol

      • I loved that movie. Too bad Hanks has turned out to be an anti-gun, extra far left lefty. Completely soured me on all his old movies so much of that crap from Hollywood that I just don’t much bother with going to the movies any more. Most of the time, the book they adapt is far better than the film version anyway.

18. 2 or 3 grand for a used vertical mill seems more and more like a reasonable purchase every day.

19. I am not a fan of the FOID card system but maybe some of you are missing that in most of these cases, not all mind you but most, these people have had their FOID taken for being convicted of a felony. So is your argument that we should let felons keep their 2A rights?

    I would actually support that for non-violent felons.

    • True. And others simply let their cards expire. As I read it, both are on the list and at risk of getting their door knocked in in the middle of the night.

    • Shall not be infringed.

      If they are not in the legitimate custody of another, then they retain the exercise of their unalienable individual right to keep and bear arms. Anything less leads to a disarmed people. That is why it is plainly worded; shall not be infringed.

      • I always thought that the phrase “Shall not be infringed”, pertained to the individuals who owned their own personal firearm(s) at that time, were recruited to help our “Militia” protect our colonies from the invading British troops and that these “individuals” (also known as “Minute Men”) rights to bear arms “Shall not be infringed”.

        Would an individual who wants to own a Shoulder Mounted Bazooka say, that his rights are being infringed upon because the Law would not allow that person to own a SMB because he feels he has the right to own a SMB?

        • It’s all about the comma. This is well hashed out elsewhere and probably in a few articles here at TTAG as well.

        • John in Ohio
          So, what does it boil down to , a matter of interpretation? If so, it’ll go on forever.

        • Nope. It boils down to the rules of the English language. Between that and the overwhelming written evidence from those who actually wrote it at the time, it’s settled. The only ones who continue to trot out that red herring are those with mush for brains or malice in place of a heart. Either way, sucks to be them.

    • When they bad guns with magazines over 4 rounds and use the Lists to round up the guns remind the ISP you aren’t a felon.

      They will laugh and ask if you if you’d like to be one or will you fork over the Ruger 10 22.

    • This action by the ISP is just a function of what a lot of pro-gun people have been pushing as part of a strategy of push-back on the anti-gun crowd; “Just enforce the laws already on the books”.

      I saw this action coming a LOOOONG time ago as a result of the laws already on the books push. Now here it is.

20. Permission slips .. I really do try to respect law enforcement it’s just that some/most of the laws they enforce are bullshit

    • Worse than bullshit… tyrannical.

21. This is sure to curtail the actions of the criminals and mentally ill……. (sarcasm)

22. No need for thanks. I swore to uphold the Constitution twice. Once when I enlisted in the Army. Again when I pinned on a badge. Meant it both times. Without reservation. Those that try to reinterpret it can kiss my lilly white ass.

    • An honorable man….. Glad there are still a good number of you around!

23. The only “mistakes” in the background check system, is, as usual, the failure to enforce current law. Either information is hidden or information is ignored that is in those records.

    Does no one remembers that Nikolas Cruz’s criminal activity disqualified him from buying or owning a gun! But the school administration, in conspiracy with law enforcement, to continue to receive Federal funds, prevented Cruz’s infraction from being placed in the records that are examined during a normal gun purchase background check.

    Also realize that Trayvon Martin’s records, under the same program, were blocked from exposure, so that activity, theft and gang activity, that should have gotten him jailed just had him suspended from school for a few days. If he had been jailed, rather than staying at his father’s house, he wouldn’t have been shot.

    • Trayvon no longer engages in such activities. Cruz lives at our expense. Too bad Nick didn’t go to his waistband when the cop drew down on him.

24. I’m sure this will make Chiraq safer

25. “More recently, with the requirement that private transaction go through the Illinois State Police Firearms Services Bureau portal, ”

    Yeah, I can see Billy Bob in South Chicago remembering he has to go the the ISP FSB, while he’s selling his Saturday night special…..hahaha

26. The FOID is BS and unconstitutional so far as I am concerned.

    However if the cops learn a felon, a violent one at that, has a gun or tried to get one they should be after him with serious intent. They should pull every investigative tool and work every lead they can come up with. Failing to act should get some leadership person punished, or fired for failing in his or her duty.

    If we are going to have background checks, fix what’s broke and enforce the law immediately for any criminal stupid enough to gamble on not getting caught. Either make the existing system work reliably to snare bad guys or admit it is worthless and get rid of it.

27. Brothers. The time is here

28. Stop talking and act. Stand up with us on March 27th, when we have the annual IGOLD march in Springfield on the IL capitol. We need as many people as we can get!

    https://www.isra.org/Events/AnnualEvents/iGOLD.aspx

29. The fact that Illinois requires law abiding citizens to acquire a “Firearm Owners ID” proves they are violating the Constitutional Rights of EVERY Citizen. The 2nd Amendment specifically says “Shall not be infringed”. But the truth is Democrats don’t care about rights all they care about is having a disarmed populace so they can tell the Gestapo to break down the doors of all those who dare disagree with the government.

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