Introducing ‘The Swarm’: .22 Cal Air Gun Pellets From a Shotgun Shell

1. Well, I *suppose* those videos are better than the daily ‘Pocket-dump’ ones…

2. One day, when I have nothing better to do.

3. Phone doesn’t play well with videos. It sounds like #4 buck with (slightly) tighter patterns.

4. TTAG once again desperate for clickbait article topics.

5. Just cut up another shotgun, pack it into a shotshell, and shoot it.

   Shooting a shotgun out of a shotgun.

   You know it’s coming.

   Seriously, these “will it blend” posts from this doofus are getting old. As of three months of ago.

6. DO NOT DO THIS.

   Using a handmade or reload ammo in a self defense is the stupid and very bad thing and can get you sent to jail.

   Do not use homemade ammo to shoot someone in a self defense mode, is a good way to get prosecuted for murder, or premeditated homicide.

   Because you thought how to make the ammo more dangerous and deadly to someone you shoot,

   You took the time to make and think about how deadly and dangerous it is and harmful to other people. Bad news!!!

   Only use factory ammo in self defense they have liability insurance for this you dont and you can prosecuted for that.

   Neat toy but never think that its a better way to harm people it will go very bad in court for you in this heavy liberal court system we have, that hates people defending themselves with guns, this homemade thing will make you look crazy in in front of a judge and jury, that you were out hunt the person you shot, and then the press will turn into the crazy man killer.

   • That’s a myth. I challenge you to find me one court case where the prosecution presented handloaded ammo as evidence of criminal intent.

     There’s absolutely nothing wrong with using handloads for defense, provided you make enough to adequately test them in your self defense firearm of choice (and, of course, that you don’t do anything stupid like reload inadequately prepared brass.)

     • Not quite the same, but shows the willingness of some prosecutors to seize on any evidence of ill-intent on the part of the shooter based on ammo selection:

       –The firearms investigator said that Fish’s gun — a 10mm — is more powerful than what police officers use and is not typically used for personal protection.  And the ammunition Fish used to shoot Kuenzli three times, called “a hollow-point bullet,” is made to expand when it enters the body.–

       http://www.nbcnews.com/id/15199221/ns/dateline_nbc-crime_reports/t/trail-evidence/#.WdJPqbpFzIU

     • Not quite the same, but shows a prosecutor willing to assert evil intent based on ammo choice:
       –The firearms investigator said that Fish’s gun — a 10mm — is more powerful than what police officers use and is not typically used for personal protection.  And the ammunition Fish used to shoot Kuenzli three times, called “a hollow-point bullet,” is made to expand when it enters the body.–
       http://www.nbcnews.com/id/15199221/ns/dateline_nbc-crime_reports/t/trail-evidence/#.WdJPqbpFzIU

     • Read

       (here is the page) https://gundigest.com/handguns/concealed-carry/handloads-not-a-good-idea-for-concealed-carry

       Handloads: Not a Good Idea for Concealed Carry
       By Corrina Peterson -July 9, 2012112998

       Learn from the suffering of others. Massad Ayoob goes over a fine point of law with a man accused of murder after a self-defense shooting. The ordeal ended with acquittal.
       As an expert witness in shooting cases over the past few decades, Massad Ayoob has drawn a few conclusions about what works and what doesn’t. In this excerpt from his recent book, Combat Shooting with Massad Ayoob, he explains why he avoids the use of handloads for defensive purposes.

       Anti-gun types have attacked our ammo as well as our firearms since long before I came on the scene. It happens in the press, it happens in State Houses, and yes, it also happens in the courts. “Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, he established malice when he loaded his gun with hollow-nose dum-dum bullets, designed to rend and tear brutal wounds and cause horrible pain and suffering and ensure the agonizing death of his victim!” It happens more routinely than you’d think in armed citizen shooting trials, though rarely in police shooting cases since hollow points became the law enforcement standard.
       This argument is, no pun intended, easy to shoot down…if your lawyer knows how. We simply establish that you chose the same type of ammo as the police, for the same reasons. With hollow points, the bullets are less likely to over-penetrate the body of the dangerous felon and strike down unseen innocent bystanders, and also less likely to ricochet and create unintended additional victims. Moreover, since collective experience shows us the improved stopping effect of the HP (hollow point) ammo means the bad guy will have to be shot fewer times to neutralize his violent activity, he is relatively less likely to die of his wounds. However, the argument in favor of hollow point ammo is useless if not effectively presented by the defense. Famed appellate lawyer Lisa Steele has seen defendants convicted with this argument when their trial lawyers failed to neutralize the poison. So have I. This apparently happened in the Arizona case mentioned above, contributing to what I for one believe was a wrongful conviction.

       Author with Dean Grennell. Few people knew more about handgun ammunition than Dean.
       While it’s a slam-dunk to defend your use of hollow point ammo, the use of handloads in a shooting presents much more serious problems to your defense team. Defensive shootings are often very close-range affairs in which gunshot residue (GSR) from your muzzle is deposited on your attacker’s body or clothing. This can become a critical evidentiary factor if the other side insists he was too far away from you to endanger you at the moment he was shot. The distance testing is done with exemplar ammunition, that is, ammo identical to what was in your gun, but not the same exact cartridges. Don’t count on the crime lab testing the remaining rounds from your weapon as taken into evidence at the shooting scene. If the fight was sufficiently intense, there may not be any rounds left in the gun that saved your life. Even if there are remaining cartridges in evidence, they may not be tested. The prosecutor can argue, “Your honor, firing those cartridges consumes them! It’s destructive testing! The defense is asking the Court’s permission to destroy the evidence! You cannot allow it!” Do you think that’s a BS argument? So did I…until I saw a judge accept it, in a case where handloads were used in the death weapon, but the state crime lab tested with a much more powerful factory load, based on the headstamp on the reloaded casings. That gave a false indication of distance involved, and the defendant – whom I have strong reason to believe was innocent – was convicted of manslaughter.
       You’d think the court would take the reloader’s records into account and allow testing based on that. It doesn’t happen. No one has yet been able to offer a case where the Court took the reloader’s data or word for what was in the load. It’s seen as self-serving “evidence” that can’t be independently verified. Sort of like a rape suspect saying, “I couldn’t have done it, because it says right here in my own diary that I was somewhere else that day.”
       After seeing these things in court, I learned to avoid the use of handloads for defensive purposes.

7. “Could this be the perfect home defense round? Judge it for yourself.”

   Depending on where you live, greater concern may be how it is judged by a jury after a zealously anti-gun prosecutor tries to persuade them that the use of this special ammunition shows homicidal intent on the part of the person who used it.

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