A couple months ago, President Obama declared a ban on the importation of Saiga and Kalashnikov Concern firearms to the United States. The stated reason was to punish the Russian government and people for their incursion into Ukraine. But as we all know, the Obama administration never misses an opportunity to screw over US gun owners by making firearms and ammunition more expensive and/or difficult to obtain. In an attempt to circumvent the newly-imposed restrictions, Kalashnikov Concern is reportedly in talks with a non-blacklisted buyer to purchase the company and restart US imports . . .
From Reuters:
Russia’s Rostec, a state-owned conglomerate hit by Western sanctions over Ukraine, will sell a small arms factory to a businessman who is not blacklisted to allow further sales to Europe and the United States, officials and sources said….
Created in 2007 by President Vladimir Putin, (Rostec) owns Kalashnikov, the maker of the Ak-47 assault rifle used in conflicts around the world.
Parties to the deal told Reuters that businessman Andrei Bokarev will buy 75 percent of Rostec’s Izhmekh plant, whose products include hunting rifles and sporting guns.
As was demonstrated quite clearly thanks to the “assault weapons” ban of the 1990s, prohibition – no matter the product – doesn’t work. There’s always a way to work around the law, and while the President might be a fan of the Tarkin doctrine, when it comes to the economics of firearms, it has backfired every time it’s been tried. The more he tightens his grip on gun companies, one might say, the more guns will slip through his fingers.
Was there a ban on Vodka too? There is probably more money to be made and death to be dealt through Vodka.
I think Moochelle likes her booze a bit too much to ban import of the best Vodka on the planet.
Tito’s is made in the USA, fyi.
If your Vodka is not made in Russia, it’s not worth the lighter fluid you cut it with.
+1, and makes a damned good martini too.
Best vodka is Finnish, not Russian. Even Russians like me know that.
And, speaking from experience, the Finns know how to party, too.
There was no point, because practically all “Russian” vodka that’s sold in Western countries is not actually made in Russia, despite the branding. For example, Stolichnaya is made in Latvia.
And just like that Armslist is flooded with sellers selling overpriced AK’s they paid way too much for.
How is that different then any other day since Obama became president?
Called it. These sanctions were a joke to begin with. What’s more hilarious is that they can move production to an allied former soviet state and there will not be a damn thing that the State Department can do without pissing off an uninvolved third party. If I remember correctly Belarus has some rather nice munitions plants.
You assume these sanctions are more than just optics. Obama is all about politics and optics. Politicians mostly pass laws based on political calculus and not on efficacy.
It was all a joke from day one.
A “paper” change in “ownership” isnt going to do anything, except possibly generating another executive order – especially when it’s leaked to the press as a “loophole”.
Remember that these guns each need permission from the US gov to be imported.. no way that permission is ever going to happen in our lifetimes.
If it was that easy, we’d still have norinco’s coming into the country.
Eh….that’s one possible way to look at it.
Back in the 90’s there was either…
A) owners of norinco didn’t want to, or could not, sell to skirt the ban.
B) Could care less about the ban as there are (were) plenty of other customers who had money to spend.
This is pure conjecture on my part, but it makes sense. KC has A LOT of money in the us market, so much that it could make or break the business. I don’t know for sure if Norinco had the same situation.
Based on how often I notice those distinct off set front trunion rivets on AKs on the news, in Africa, and in the hands of ISIS troops…. I would say it’s pretty likely that America demand turned out to be cheaper to lose then fight for.
Every time I watch the news I play Spot-the-Norincos. At this point I see more of them in front of the cameras then AKMs. The off set front trunion rivets make them pretty easy to identify because people tend to hold their guns barrel up, by the pistol grip. It’s a fun game though! Everyone should try it.
Well if this is countered by Obama the next step will be just to run the rifles through some clean European companies with just a token uplift in cost.
I called it as well –
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/08/robert-farago/russians-fear-ammo-sanctions-how-about-you/
“Geoff PR says:
August 23, 2014 at 10:36
What’s stopping the Russians from exporting their ammo to non-sanctioned countries and then re-sold?
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avataruncommon_sense says:
August 23, 2014 at 11:08
Initially, nothing.
Of course, if our President or Congress bans direct Russian imports, nothing stops them from subsequently banning indirect Russian imports.
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avatarRalph says:
August 23, 2014 at 13:03
@Geoff PR, the Russians would need a partner for such a workaround, and it would have to be a partner that’s in good graces with both the US and Russia, a stout trading partner of the US, unafraid of alienating US interests yet trusted by the US. It’s hard to think of any country that fits that bill.
In any case, the US could maintain that the sale and resale was a sham to avoid the embargo, and deny the import.”
The year I tell myself I’m finally going to get an AK and he does this crap -_-
I hope they’re able to circumvent the obvious attack on my rights.
There’s plenty of Polish, Romanian, Bulgarian, Egyptian, and Hungarian (not including Norincos and Valmets) AK rifles that are being sold, not including the already here Russian guns.
My advice as a guy who owned a couple Russian AKs is to jump on a Vepr or go with a Hungarian or Polish rifle.
A few American made AKs being sold as well. Century and I/O of the last I heard.
Century’s American made rifles are called the Centurion-39 (C-39) and they are nice actually. They only come as milled receiver rifles which will be a deal breaker to some because of the extra weight. But, the action of the rifle is quite good and there is a tacti-cool model with a front sight/gas block combo (which makes it a little lighter) and ambidextrous charging handle similar to the AK Lightning Bolt but stock. It’s pretty cool. I just hope in the future they get creative with the milling to try to lighten up future versions of the guns or that they learn to make stamped receiver guns too.
A few short pieces of advice (I have been dying to tell but not sure where to) if you are considering purchasing a C-39:
The wood stock models are an inch or 2 shorter then the plastic stock models. There aren’t a lot of stocks out there. CAA makes a tele-stock tube that can be made to work and Bonesteel Arms milled receiver folding stocks can be made to work too.
They don’t say so in the manual but, the gun needs a minimum of 100 break in rounds. Don’t crap your pants when your new US-AK fails to feed the second or third round. It’s not a problem with the gun. Its a problem with the finish.
On the finish. The gun is nicely finished in parkerizing. The only problem is that everything is parkerized, even the inside of the receiver, even inside the bolt carrier guide rails. Even the bolt carrier. Even the bolt. For the first 100 rounds or so this finish on these internal surfaces is very rough. Apply Remoil and keep shooting. The gun will smooth out that finish and start to work like an AK. And you will find the back of the receiver filled with little black flecks of parkerizing. Stay calm, keep shooting. They are actually pretty good guns after that break in.
The “Tapco Bur” can cause some carrier sticking just like any other AK Tapco G2s are put in.
I really want a true Russian made Ak. No reason other than nostalgia. This ban only makes me want it more.
It’s a sign from god. Don’t do it. You’ll be smote.
The Yugos are decent. Own a O PAP, very decent.
The main problem with the Yugos is their use of non-standard parts. Very nice rifles, inherently, but they lack quite a few things I like to see in AKs. Machined optics mounts, chromed internals, etc…
Are these made by the same Yugo company that brought us the absolute worst car ever produced on this planet?
Yes, yes it is. As far as I can tell the Zastava that made the Yugo is the same company that makes the Zastava AKs we see today. Though, probably no the same plant. Its worth mentioning that Zastava really isn’t solely to blame for the Yugo car. Technically the car we call the Yugo is actually the Fiat 144, built in Yugoslavia under license to Zastava. I would expect a Russian gun made anywhere to come out pretty good. Do you really expect a Fiat made anywhere to come out good? Blame the Yugo on the Italians.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zastava_Koral
Yep, and if memory serves, they stopped importing Yugos when NATO bombed their factory.
All Yugo rifles don’t have a chrome lined bore. For a gun that’ll mostly be shooting cheap steel-cased ammo, some of it likely milsurp, this is a bad thing.
There is no military surplus corrosive around much. Most is dried up and bought. The non corrosive is abundant. Chrome line is nice, but at this point not a factor so much as in past. The Yugo’s, at least the O PAP are tanks. The receiver is thick are built well for a enrty level. The barrel is colded forged hammered and receiver are new as well. The stock can be replaced, although options limited. They go bang.
+1Craig. There are American gun makers stepping up too. IO & Century. I don’t intend to buy an AK but if you don’t want to help Russia there are plenty of alternatives. Heck the embargo is just security theater anyway. Or buy an AR. Deals aplenty 🙂
This is a classic illustration of the law of Unintended Consequences. Obama’s attempt to end imports of AKs is helping American companies who make AKs, by moving the average retail prices upwards. Look at all of the European gun companies who opened factories in the US to get around the ridiculous “sporting purposes” import criteria. I think of it as “on shoring” the gun industry.
I have one of the new Century AKs. Milled receiver, nicely made.
Hoping Century goes the next step and makes a 74 version.
Not surprised. Although it took longer to come up with a workaround than some thought it would. Unlike the Clinton Chinese gun ban, apparently the Russians are thinking outside the box. Well, good. FBHO.
The Russians want the dollars. The Chinese don’t give a crap. They’ll just sell us something else, like electronic components for our weapons systems.
Exactly. About the only thing we want from Russia is Vodka and guns. Russians are highly motivated to get the flow going again. The chinese just moved onto to everything else. The Russians don’t really have that option.
“About the only thing we want from Russia is Vodka and guns.”
Everyone I know who drinks Vodka seems to prefer Grey Goose, which is French. I haven’t really ever herd anyone say, “I want Russian vodka.”
So let me fix it for you: All we want from Russia is guns, and cheap ammo.
Glad to help.
I’ll take the money I’d spend on Grey Goose, buy Smirnoff (which isn’t Russian other than the name) and spend my savings on AK ammo.
I bought the Saiga and Molot rifles for projects. The Saigas were mediocre until converted with craptastic triggers. I only have a Vepr 12 and it is really nice, like all of the other Veprs I have seen. After I swapped a few parts and put on the furniture of my choice, the Saigas became great rifles. They come out to be a little bit more expensive than the cheaper offerings, but if you swap furniture on the cheaper rifles, you are right about the same price. I wouldn’t mind a few projects to work on in the future if they are able to sell the company.
They are selling Izhmekh which makes the Baikal branded guns, not Izhmash which makes Saigas. This move seems to be more for the European market than the US market.
Well that’s good to hear. Might be hope for getting a hold of some interesting Russian equipment and ammo after all. Like that MDL 38-3 that Century was going to import. I’m pretty sure those were actually coming out of Russia.
“The more he tightens his grip on gun companies, one might say, the more guns will slip through his fingers.”
reminds me of…..
“The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.”
Princess Leia – Star Wars: Episode IV
Ummm, I think that’s because it was supposed to 🙂
Precisely. There was even a link to the Tarkin Doctrine in the post.
I guess I’m kinda ‘meh’ on this myself…. Now if we were able to purchase AK-12, that would be a different story altogether. But there are so many great (and awesome) AK variants available, this doesn’t change the world either way. Just my take.
There is always a way around the antis plans, rules, and fiats. I would rather a Polish anyway.
I’m waiting for this….
Bloomberg: Shannon you have FAILED me! *force chokes her*
Obama: Bloomberg release her.
Bloomber: as you wish….
LOL! Even the Communists see the value of good ole American Capitalism!
An entrepreneur would have no problems opening a business in Russia or China. In the good ol’ USA, however, the same guy would have to deal with every damn agency in the Federal and state alphabet soup. Frankly, Russia and China could teach us a few things about capitalism.
Russia hasn’t been communist for, what, 25 years now?
That’s a good question to ask their President, Vladimir Putin – you know, the KGB guy.
Funny thing: I was just educating people on Raw Story about how Obama was attacking gun rights by banning Russian imported weapons.
I had got the old “No one is taking your guns” and “what gun control & civilian disarmament.” ~rolling eyes~
Oh, they gave you that old hat again, huh? Well, come back at ’em with this:
I laugh when they trot out that old, tired line. I really do. Right in their faces. Then, I point out all the people who do, and watch them stumble and stammer and run away.
Fmr. President William J. Clinton does.
“And we should — then every community in the country could then start doing major weapon sweeps and then destroying the weapons, not selling them.”
“When we got organized as a country and we wrote a fairly radical Constitution with a radical Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of individual freedom to Americans …And so a lot of people say there’s too much personal freedom. When personal freedom’s being abused, you have to move to limit it. That’s what we did in the announcement I made last weekend on the public housing projects, about how we’re going to have weapon sweeps and more things like that to try to make people safer in their communities.” – MTV’s “Enough is Enough!”, 22 March, 1994
“We can’t be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans…” – USA Today, 11 March, 1993, pg. 2A
“If the personal freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution inhibit the government’s ability to govern the people, we should look to limit those guarantees.” – 12 August, 1993
“You know the one thing that’s wrong with this country? Everyone gets a chance to have their fair say.” – From his speech in Philadelphia PA City Hall Courtyard, 28 May, 1993
“There is no reason for anyone in this country – anyone except a police officer or military person – to buy, to own, to have, to use a handgun. The only way to control handgun use in this country is to prohibit the guns.” – While signing The Brady Bill, 1993
“The purpose of government is to rein in the rights of the people.” – MTV, 1993
“I feel very strongly about it [the Brady Bill]. I think – I also associate myself with the other remarks of the Attorney General. I think it’s the beginning. It’s not the end of the process by any means.” – 11 August, 1993
Senator Dianne Feinstein (D – CA) does.
“Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of all Americans to feel safe.” – Associated Press, 18 November, 1993.
“If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them; “Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ‘em all in,” I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren’t here.” – 60 Minutes on CBS, 5 February, 1995.
“The National Guard fulfills the militia mentioned in the Second amendment. Citizens no longer need to protect the states or themselves.”
Senator Frank Launtenberg (D – NJ) did.
“We have other legislation that all of you are aware that I have been so active on, with my colleagues here, and that is to shut down the gun shows.”
He died in 2013.
Fmr. Senator Howard Metzenbaum (D – OH) did.
“No, we’re not looking at how to control criminals … we’re talking about banning the AK-47 and semi-automatic guns.” – Constitution Subcommittee, 2 February, 1989
“I don’t care about crime, I just want to get the guns.”
“What good does it do to ban some guns. All guns should be banned.”
He died in 2008.
Fmr. Representative Charles Pashayan (R – CA) does.
“All of this has to be understood as part of a process leading ultimately to a treaty
that will give an international body power over our domestic laws.” – United Nations Small Arms Conference, 2001
Fmr. Senator John Chafee (R – RI) did.
“I shortly will introduce legislation banning the sale, manufacture or possession of handguns (with exceptions for law enforcement and licensed target clubs)… . It is time to act. We cannot go on like this. Ban them!” – Minneapolis Star Tribune pg. 31A, 15 June, 1992
He died in 1999.
Then-Senator (now Vice President) Joe “Buckshot” Biden (D – DE) does.
“Banning guns is an idea whose time has come.” – Associated Press, 11 November, 1993
Representative Jan Schakowski (D – IL) does.
“I believe…..this is my final word……I believe that I’m supporting the Constitution of the United States which does not give the right for any individual to own a handgun….” – Recorded 25 June, 2000 by Matt Beauchamp
“We want everything on the table. This is a moment of opportunity. There’s no question about it…We’re on a roll now, and I think we’ve got to take the–you know, we’re gonna push as hard as we can and as far as we can.” – The Global Dispatch, 12 March, 2013.
http://www.theglobaldispatch.com/illinois-rep-jan-schakowsky-says-assault-rifle-ban-just-the-beginning-moment-of-opportunity-and-seeks-to-ban-handguns-70067/
http://youtu.be/BVz2lHODQvs – Interview by Jason Mattera
Fmr. Representative Major Owens (D – NY) did.
“We have to start with a ban on the manufacturing and import of handguns. From there we register the guns which are currently owned, and follow that with additional bans and acquisitions of handguns and rifles with no sporting purpose.”
“Mr. Speaker, my bill prohibits the importation, exportation, manufacture, sale, purchase, transfer, receipt, possession, or transportation of handguns and handgun ammunition. It establishes a 6-month grace period for the turning in of handguns.” – Congressional Record, 10 November, 1993
He died in 2013.
Representative Bobby Rush (D – IL) does.
“My staff and I right now are working on a comprehensive gun-control bill. We don’t have all the details, but for instance, regulating the sale and purchase of bullets. Ultimately, I would like to see the manufacture and possession of handguns banned except for military and police use. But that’s the endgame. And in the meantime, there are some specific things that we can do with legislation.”
Fmr. Representative Craig Anthony Washington (D – TX) does.
“This is not all we will have in future Congresses, but this is a crack in the door. There are too many handguns in the hands of citizens. The right to keep and bear arms has nothing to do with the Brady Bill.” – Mark-up hearing on The Brady Bill, 10 April, 1991
Fmr. Massachusetts State Governor and State House Representative Michael Dukakis (D) does.
“I do not believe in people owning guns. Guns should be owned only by [the] police and military. I am going to do everything I can to disarm this state.”
Fmr. Representative Henry Waxman (D – CA) does.
“If someone is so fearful that they are going to start using their weapons to protect their rights, it makes me very nervous that these people have weapons at all.”
Fmr. Representative William Lacy Clay, Sr. (D – MO) does.
“The Brady Bill is the minimum step Congress should take…we need much stricter gun control, and eventually should bar the ownership of handguns, except in a few cases.” – St. Louis Dispatch, 6 May, 1991
Senator Charles Ellis Schumer (D – NY) does.
“We’re here to tell the NRA their nightmare is true! … We’re going to hammer guns on the anvil of relentless legislative strategy. We’re going to beat guns into submission!” – NBC Nightly News, 30 November, 1993
Representative Shiela Jackson Lee (D – TX) does.
“I would personally just say to those who are listening, maybe you want to turn in your guns.”
Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton (D) does.
“I’m personally all for taxing guns to pay for health care coverage.”
Vermont State Senator Mary Ann Carlson (D) does.
“We must be able to arrest people before they commit crimes. By registering guns and knowing
who has them we can do that. If they have guns they are pretty likely to commit a crime.”
Colorado State Senator (and Majority Leader) John Morse (D) does.
“People who own guns are essentially a sickness in our souls who must be cleansed.”
New Jersey State Senators Loretta Weinberg, Sandra Cunningham, and Linda Greenstein all do.
“We needed a bill that was going to confiscate, confiscate, confiscate… They don’t care about the bad guys. All they want to do is have their little guns and do whatever they want with them.”
http://www.examiner.com/article/open-mike-reveals-n-j-senators-contempt-for-gun-owners-confiscation-goal
Fmr. California State Senator Leeland Yee (D) does.
“It is extremely important that individuals in the state of California do not own assault weapons. I mean that is just so crystal clear, there is no debate, no discussion.” – CBS San Francisco, 20 May, 2012, before he was arrested and charged with gun-trafficking, taking bribes, money laundering, and official corruption on 24 March, 2014.
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2012/05/20/cbs-5-story-inspires-new-legislation-to-ban-bullet-button/
http://www.sfgate.com/file/757/757-complaint_affidavit_14-70421-nc.pdf
United States Attorney General Eric B. Holder does.
“[We have to have] as part of the gun initiative, though, an informational campaign to really change the hearts and minds of people in Washington, D.C., and in particular our young people. They are saturated with guns in media and entertainment, [and] by the entertainment industry with violence, and I think too many of our young people, in particular our young men are fascinated with violence and in particular with guns. And what we need to do is change the way people think about guns, especially young people, and make it something that’s not cool, that’s not acceptable, that’s not hip, to carry a gun anymore.
In the way we changed out attitudes about cigarettes, y’know, when I was growing up people smoked all the time. I mean, both my parents did. But, over time we changed the way people thought about smoking, and so now why have people who cower outside of buildings and kinda’ smoke in private and don’t want to admit it. And I think that’s what we need to do with guns.
… One thing that I think is clear with young people, and with adults as well, is that we jut have to be repetitive about this. It’s not enough to simply have a catchy ad on a Monday and then only do it every Monday. We need to do this every day of the week, and really just brainwash people into thinking about guns in a vastly different way.” – C-SPAN2, 1995
Fmr. United States Attorney General Janet “Waco” Reno does.
“Gun registration is not enough.” – On ABC’s “Good Morning America”, 10 December, 1993
“Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal.”
Fmr. Director of the ATF John Magaw does.
“The truth is, [handguns] are used to assassinate people, to kill people, because they are very easily concealed, you can drop them in any pocket.” – When interviewed by ABC’s Day One correspondent John McKenzie.
Boston Police Commissioner William Evans does.
“Having long guns – rifles and shotguns – especially here in the city of Boston, I think we should have, as the local authority, some say in the matter. For the most part, nobody in the city needs a shotgun. Nobody needs a rifle.” – Boston Public Radio, 23 July, 2013
Fmr. Chief of Police for Los Angeles, California Bernard Parks does.
“We would get rid of assault weapons. There would not be an assault weapon in the United States, whether it’s for show or someone having it in a collection.” – Reuters, 9 June, 2000
Fmr. New York City Police Commissioner Patrick V. Murphy did.
“We are at the point in time and terror where nothing short of a strong uniform policy of domestic disarmament will alleviate the danger which is crystal clear and perilously present. Let us take the guns away from the people. Exemptions should be limited to the military, the police, and those licensed for good and sufficient reasons. And I would look forward to the day when it would not be necessary for the policeman to carry a sidearm.” – Testimony before the National Association of Citizen Crime Commissions.
He died in 2011.
Fmr. San Jose Police Chief Joseph McNamara does.
“My experience as a street cop suggests that most merchants should not have guns. But I feel even stronger about the average person having them…most homeowners…simply have no need to own guns.”
East Palo Alto Police Detective Rod Tuason does.
“Sounds like you had someone practicing their 2nd amendment rights last night. Should’ve pulled the AR out and prone them all out! And if one of them makes a furtive movement … 2 weeks off!!!”
He is currently being investigated for ethics violations.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/02/14/gun-rights-advocates-target-california-detective-following-facebook-posts/
Branford, Connecticut Police Officer Joseph Peterson does.
“I [would] give my left nut to bang down your door and come for your gun.” Those are his exact words to a long-time “friend” of his . . .
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/03/10/officer-reportedly-tells-citizen-i-give-my-left-n-to-bang-down-your-door-and-come-for-your-gun/
Connecticut Superior Court Judge Robert C. Brunetti does.
“No one in this country should have guns. I never return guns.”
http://www.examiner.com/article/connecticut-judge-declares-no-one-should-have-guns
Connecticut Superior Court Judge Edward Mullarkey does, too.
“Those who support the Second Amendment should be ashamed.”
http://ctcarry.com/News/Release/631a41bd-55f3-4b63-9644-c79617bd54d9
New York State Governor Andrew Cuomo (D) does.
“Confiscation could be an option. Mandatory sale to the state could be an option. Permitting could be an option — keep your gun but permit it.” – New York Times, 21 December, 2012
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/21/nyregion/cuomo-says-he-will-outline-gun-measures-next-month.html?_r=0
Chicago Mayor Rahm Emmanuel does.
“We’re bending the law as far as we can to ban an entirely new class of guns.”
Fmr. Stockton, CA Mayor Barbara Fass does.
“I think you have to do it a step at a time and I think that is what the NRA is most concerned about. Is that it will happen one very small step at a time so that by the time, um, people have woken up, quote, to what’s happened, it’s gone farther than what they feel the consensus of American citizens would be. But it does have to go one step at a time and the banning of semi-assault military weapons that are military weapons, not household weapons, is the first step.”
Deborah Prothrow-Stith, Office of Government and Community Programs and the Community Violence Prevention Project at the Harvard School of Public Health, does.
“My own view on gun control is simple: I hate guns and I cannot imagine why anybody would want to own one. If I had my way, guns for sport would be registered, and all other guns would be banned.”
Chester M. Pierce, Fmr. Harvard psychiatrist, does.
“Every child in America entering school at the age of five is mentally ill because he comes to school with certain allegiances to our founding fathers, toward our elected officials, toward his parents, toward a belief in a supernatural being, and toward the sovereignty of this nation as a separate entity. It’s up to you as teachers to make all these sick children well by creating the international child of the future.” – Speaking as an “expert” in public education, 1973 International Education Seminar
Fmr. Chancellor of Boston University John Silber did.
“I don’t believe anybody has a right to own any kind of a firearm. I believe in order to obtain a permit to own a firearm, that person should undergo an exhaustive criminal background check. In addition, an applicant should give up his right to privacy and submit his medical records for review to see if the person has ever had a problem with alcohol, drugs or mental illness . . . The Constitution doesn’t count!”
He died in 2012.
Sarah Brady, fmr. Chairman of Handgun Control Inc. (now The Brady Campaign) does.
“…I don’t believe gun owners have rights.” – Hearst Newspapers, October 1997
“The House passage of our bill is a victory for this country! Common sense wins out. I’m just so thrilled and excited. The sale of guns must stop. Halfway measures are not enough.” – 1 July, 1988
“We must get rid of all the guns.” – Speaking on behalf of HCI, with Sheriff Jay Printz (of Printz v. U.S. fame no less!), “The Phil Donahue Show”, September, 1994
“The only reason for guns in civilian hands is for sporting purposes.” – Tampa Tribune, 21 October, 1991
James Brady, husband of Sarah Brady, did.
“For target shooting, that’s okay. Get a license and go to the range. For defense of the home, that’s why we have police departments.” – Parade Magazine, 26 June, 1994
He died in 2014.
Nelson T. “Pete” Shields, Sarah Brady’s predecessor at HCI, does.
“Our ultimate goal – total control of handguns in the United States – is going to take time…The first problem is to slow down the increasing number of handguns being produced…The second problem is to get handguns registered. And the final problem is to make the possession of handguns and all handgun ammunition –except for the military, policemen, licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors– totally illegal.” – The New Yorker Magazine, 26 July, 1976, pg. 53F
Josh Sugarmann, Executive Director of the Violence Policy Center, does.
“Americans are ready to hate somebody, and it’s going to be the gun industry.” – Newsweek Magazine, 16 ay, 1994
“The word ‘hate’ is a very carefully chosen word. There’s got to be a real sense of revulsion and disgust. People are looking for someone to blame, someone who’s the cause of their problems, and it should be the gun industry. These guys are the living embodiment of the slogan, ‘Guns don’t kill people-people kill people’. They’re complete mercenaries.” – The New American Magazine, 13 June, 1994
“A gun-control movement worthy of the name would insist that President Clinton move beyond his proposals for controls … and immediately call on Congress to pass far-reaching industry regulation like the Firearms Safety and Consumer Protection Act … [which] would give the Treasury Department health and safety authority over the gun industry, and any rational regulator with that authority would ban handguns.”
“We need to ratchet down the firepower in civilian hands. We need to get assault weapons off our streets and off the gun store shelves … We should ban handguns.” – “NRA’s “really big problem”: Why it’s dependent on a dwindling fringe”, Salon.com, 13 June, 2014.
http://www.salon.com/2014/06/13/nras_really_big_problem_why_its_dependent_on_a_dwindling_fringe/
Michael K. Beard, Fmr President of The Coalition To Stop Gun Violence, does.
“Our goal is to not allow anybody to buy a handgun. In the meantime, we think there ought to be strict licensing and regulation.” – The Washington Times, 9 December, 1993
Shannon Watts, head of Moms Demand Action, does.
“I’ll be pretty clear on this. @MikeBloomberg and I want guns gone. Period. It doesn’t matter what it takes.” – From Twitter, 10 June, 2014
“Banning assault weapons. If you ban the assault weapons listed in the (Sen. Dianne) Feinstein bill, you would still have 2,000 firearms to choose from.”
Time Magazine does.
“As you probably know by now, Time’s editors, in the April 13 issue, took a strong position in support of an outright ban on handguns for private use.” – Letter to the NRA, 24 April, 1981
The New York Times does.
“The only way to discourage the gun culture is to remove the guns from the hands and shoulders of people who are not in the law enforcement business.” – Unsigned editorial, 24 September, 1975
The Washington Post does.
“The sale, manufacture, and possession of handguns ought to be banned…We do not believe the 2nd Amendment guarantees an individual the right to keep them.” – “Legal Guns Kill Too”, 5 November, 1999
The Star-Ledger Editorial Board does.
“So do all the voluntary gun buybacks you want. But until they are mandatory, and our society can see past its hysteria over “gun confiscation,” don’t expect it to make much difference.” – “What N.J. really needs is andatory gun buybacks: Editorial”, 19 September, 2014
Michael Gartner, Fmr. President of NBC News, does.
“There is no reason for anyone in this country, for anyone except a police officer or a military person, to buy, to own, to have, to use, a handgun. The only way to control handgun use in this country is to prohibit the guns. And the only way to do that is to change the Constitution.” –
USA Today, “Glut of Guns: What Can We Do About Them?”, 16 January, 1992
Charles Krauthammer, a nationally syndicated columnist, does.
“In fact, the assault weapons ban will have no significant effect either on the crime rate or on personal security. Nonetheless, it is a good idea . . . . Its only real justification is not to reduce crime but to desensitize the public to the regulation of weapons in preparation for their ultimate confiscation.” – From “Disarm the Citizenry. But Not Yet.”, The Washington Post, 5 April, 1996
“I have no problem in principle with gun control. Congress enacted (and I supported) an assault weapons ban in 1994. The problem was: It didn’t work. (So concluded a University of Pennsylvania study commissioned by the Justice Department.) The reason is simple. Unless you are prepared to confiscate all existing firearms, disarm the citizenry and repeal the Second Amendment, it’s almost impossible to craft a law that will be effective.” – From “The root of mass-murder.”, The Washington Post, 20 December, 2012
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/charles-krauthammer-the-roots-of-mass-murder/2012/12/20/e4d99594-4ae3-11e2-b709-667035ff9029_story.html
Molly Ivan, another nationally syndicated columnist, does.
“Ban the damn things. Ban them all. You want protection? Get a dog.” – 19 July, 1994
“Professor” Dean Morris, Director of the Law Enforcement Assistance Association does.
“I am one who believes that as a first step, the United States should move expeditiously to disarm the civilian population, other than police and security officers, of all handguns, pistols, and revolvers…No one should have the right to anonymous ownership or use of a gun.”
J. Elliot Corbett, Secretary of the National Council for Responsible Firearms Policy, does.
“We are now supporting the President’s bill which provides stringent restrictions on rifles and shotguns. We shall also get behind the bill which provides for national registration and licensing. I personally believe handguns should be outlawed.” – 17 June, 1968
“Handguns should be outlawed. Our organization will probably take this stand in time but we are not anxious to rouse the opposition before we get the other legislation passed.” – Interviewed for the Washington Evening Star, 19 September, 1969
Rosie O’Donnell does.
“I think there should be a law — and I know this is extreme — that no one can have a gun in the U.S. If you have a gun, you go to jail. Only the police should have guns.” – Ottawa Sun, 29 April, 1999
“I don’t care if you want to hunt, I don’t care if you think it’s your right. I say, sorry, you are not allowed to own a gun, and if you do own a gun I think you should go to prison.” – The Rosie O’Donnell Show, 19 April, 1999.
The American Civil “Liberties” Union does.
“We urge passage of federal legislation … to prohibit … the private ownership and possession of handguns.” – National ACLU Policy #47, adopted by its Board of Directors in Semptember, 1976
The United Nations does.
“Tighten controls on the gun trade in the United States and other member nations.” – UN Disarmament Commission
Poughkeepsie, NY Mayor John Tkayik (R) knows the truth.
“I’m no longer a member of MAIG. Why? It did not take long to realize that MAIG’s agenda was much more than ridding felons of illegal guns; that under the guise of helping mayors facing a crime and drug epidemic, MAIG intended to promote confiscation of guns from law-abiding citizens.”
He is currently running for New York State Senator, 41st District.
Sioux City, MO Mayor Bob Scott knows the truth, too.
“I was never an active member. They’re not just against illegal guns, they’re against all guns.”
So does Madeira Beach, FL Mayor Patricia Shontz.
“I am withdrawing because I believe the MAIG is attempting to erode all gun ownership, not just illegal guns. Additionally, I have learned that the MAIG may be working on issues which conflict with legal gun ownership. It appears the MAIG has misrepresented itself to the Mayors of America and its citizens. This is gun control, not crime prevention.”
Nashua, NH Mayor Donnalee Lozeau knows.
“I simply cannot be part of an organization that chooses this course of action instead of cooperatively working with those that have proven over a lifetime of work their true intentions.”
Edgewood, KY Mayor John D. Link found out.
“Sometime ago, I attended a meeting with many city officials from throughout the United States. At this meeting there was a table with the title “Mayors Against Illegal Guns.” Not wanting illegal guns, I signed the form not knowing what kind of spin would ensue. As it turned out, I was against the 2nd amendment, etc. I have since been removed from the “Mayors Against Illegal Guns” movement. On our city website I have a letter to all stating my position. I’m not against the NRA, guns, or hunting, and never will be.”
Oldmans Township, NJ Mayor Harry Moore knows better now.
“It is simply unconscionable that this coalition, under your [Michael Bloomberg’s] leadership, would call for a repeal of the Shelby/Tiahrt amendment that helps to safeguard criminal investigations and the lives of law enforcement officers, witnesses, and others by restricting access to firearms trace data solely to law enforcement. How anyone, least of all a public official, could be willing to sacrifice such a law enforcement lifeline in order to gain an edge in suing an industry they have political differences with is repugnant to me. The fact that your campaign against this protective language consisted of overheated rhetoric, deception, and falsehoods is disturbing.”
I could go on literally for days and days, listing pages upon pages of people saying exactly how and why they’re coming for our guns. Not a single bit of it could ever be supported, defended, or refuted by them, either.
Feel free to use liberally.
NE Libtards showing their true colors.
WOW!!! Great research effort! I have saved that to my computer, will e-mail it to all my friends, and will mail it to the editor of my local rag the next time I see a comment that “no one wants to take away all of your guns”. THANK TOU!
So many unfortunate verb choices in this posting and in the comments that follow:
– skirt the ban
– circumvent
– work around
– exploit a loophole
– get around the ban
– find a way around the rules
It sounds the same when residents of oppressive states suffer with bullet buttons and approved pistol lists and (soon) requirements to register their home-made firearms. People who say these things just play into the antis’ hands, when they paint all us firearms owners as wanna-be scofflaws just looking for a way go get away with something.
I do none of the above. I always, assiduously, precisely, completely comply with the precise letter of the law in every case – no exceptions. I don’t try to avoid the law and get away with it. I work hard to comply fully with every point of the law, however twisted and nonsensical and ineffectual that law might be.
Please stop using language from which it can be inferred that we lawful firearm owners wish to break the law.
This is a reasonable point. When they tell you “Don’t do ‘this,'” it means “that” is still on the table. So do “that.” If they outlaw “that,” there’s always “that other thing.”
So the headline should read “Russian Gun Maker Plans to Comply With US Import Ban by Selling Company”. See what happened there? Obama’s edict forced the Russians to do exactly what he wanted them to do. Obama wins!
The text should read “…There’s always a way to do business while complying with the law…”
The comments above should read (a few examples):
“I hope they’re able to lawfully rectify the situation that triggered this obvious attack on my rights.”
“…it took longer to ensure legal compliance than some thought it would…”
“There is always a way to do business and exercise our rights while complying with the antis’ plans, rules, and fiats.”
With a bit of creative attention, it’s easy to express our activity in terms of lawful behavior (since it is) rather than in terms of evading the law.
If the government wishes us to comply with the spirit of the law they should try removing the bullshit masquerading as reasonable and proper laws on many fronts, not just firearms. Otherwise it seems to me that the importers and manufacturers are simply complying with the actual letter of the law and supplying a product that the American people wish to purchase. “Sporting Purposes” appears nowhere in the Constitution nor in in any of the writings of the good men who tried to limit the power and scope of government.
I wonder if we’ll finally get that AK-12, then…
I was holding off on getting an AK platform until the 12 hit the market. Leave it those wily Ruskies to figure out a way.
P.S.: Get owned, Barry.
AK-12 is crap. Even the Russian military realized that.
If you want a tacticool AK, there are plenty of shops in US that tune them into something that’s much better.
Another example of Obama and democrats not being as smart as they think they are. BTW no AK-47’s have been made since 1954. They make AKM’s.
And it makes him the biggest gun salesman of all times………. stock up now , beat the Christmas rush ……..HA HA…
1) Ship to Turkey.
2) Add “Made / Grown in Turkey” labeling.
3) Resume otherwise normal trade relations.
This is nice , giving it right back to the commie in the White House , the next thing we have to be concerned with is the UN Scientific meeting coming up with a recommendation to ban lead in ammo , they are planning to put this up for a resolution soon , we need to contact our Senators to vote against ratification of this gun control menace , this is just more worldwide back door gun control to disarm everyone. Be prepared and ready . Keep your powder dry .
This time the loud autoplay ad was in Spanish, and was followed by a never-ending stream of English drivel. Then it looped! It jarred me away from reaching the pinnacle of gun rights nirvana. PLEASE MAKE IT STOP!.
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