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If you follow KelTec on social media, you know they’ve been teasing a new product for a while now. They’ve been showing photos of 5.7x28mm rounds, a pistol style magazine and close cropped images of a grip. You could tell it was a grip fed 5.7 but was it a pistol, something like the CMR30 or a SUB-2000? Labor Day was the big reveal day and it turns out it’s a 5.7x28mm variation of the SUB2000 GEN3 5.7.
The SUB2000 Gen3 5.7
The SUB2000 Gen3 5.7 gives you all of the features you’re used to with the SUB-2000 series. It features a 16-inch barrel, and the fold-in-half design for compact storage that the SUB series is known for. The Gen3 versions did away with iron sights, but added the twist feature that allows you to mount optics that turn out of the way as you fold the carbine. Overall length is 30.45 inches open and just 16.15 inches folded. Weight unloaded is just 4.36 pounds.
Magazine capacity is 20 rounds and it looks like it feeds from FN pattern magazines. If 20 rounds is a little light for you, extended 30-round mags and even a 50-round drum will be available as well. It looks like they’re using Pro Mags, which may give some of you pause. I will say though, I used Pro Mag 5.7 mags in a CMMG review a few years back and they ran well. I actually had a couple of malfunctions with the FN mag provided with the gun, but nothing from the Pro Mags. MSRP is a just $511, which is considerably less than any of the other 5.7x28mm carbines I can think of.
KelTec SUB2000 GEN3 5.7 Specs
Caliber: 5.7×28 mm
Weight Unloaded: 4.36
Magazine Capacity: 20rd FN Pro Mag
Overall Length: 30.45 in.
Length Collapsed: 29.2 in.
Length Folded:16.15 in.
Barrel Length: 16.15 in.
Twist Rate: 1:7 in.
Trigger Pull: 5 lbs.
MSRP: $511
Where to Buy
For more information, check out KelTec’s website.
I had a Sub2000 1st generation. Quite unimpressed with QC(also had a used PF9). I’d get a 10mm rifle but never a 5.7. I can see the utility of 5.7 but I already have 5.56/223 which is way better but not in ILLannoy🙄
FWW,
Agree….5.7 seems cool but it does not fill a gap in my meager arsenal. Saving for that Bear Creek 10mm carbine….but thinking some solar panels, first, for when the civil war starts and the grid goes down for an extended period.
Do you really want to be the only house with electric lights in a prolonged grid down scenario?
Not electric lights….charging batteries….keeping food cool.
We have literally, hundreds of candles.
Got the stealth thing figured out.
jwm,
Solar panels plus significant battery storage in a long-term grid-down situation have several huge advantages even in stealth mode (no externally visible bright lights).
First ginormous advantage, you can keep food refrigerated and frozen. Not only is that critical for food storage, it could easily be critical for producing cold beverages and even ice which you could use to combat heat stroke. (Remember, you probably won’t have air conditioning running because that makes too much noise and potentially draws too much attention.)
Second advantage for people who have water wells rather than municipal water: they continue to have an unlimited supply of safe water to drink, wash dishes, and bathe.
Third advantage, you can keep surveillance cameras running and even be able to view them with a smart-phone that you are able to keep fully charged. That could give you a huge leg-up if marauders start approaching your home.
Fourth advantage, you can run old-school miniature box fans at night to enable restorative sleep in hot weather. (I say miniature box fans because they use a lot less energy than large box fans and they are much quieter which is an important feature if you need the ability to hear marauders attempting to breach your home in the middle of the night. And miniature box fans could significantly increase your comfort during the day. Last but not least, if you are suffering from heat stroke, a miniature box fan blowing on you plus refrigerated/icy beverages could literally be the difference between permanent brain damage/death and life.
Fifth advantage is you can operate radios, televisions, and potentially even Internet access to receive information from the outside world.
Sixth advantage–you can cook food in electric crock pots (which only draw about 200 watts while running) or even on an electric burner (which draw about 1,000 watts while running). Note that an electric burner could be on your electric stove, or if you do not have an electric stove, an electric burner available for about $15 at many stores. Cooked food clearly tastes better and enables more options for eating long-term storage dried and freeze-dried foods. And perhaps of critical importance, some of your food may have dangerous bacteria levels that can be fatal unless you cook them thoroughly. (Hopefully you have refrigeration so your food would never get to the point of dangerous bacteria levels.)
Seventh advantage: you can operate small LED light bulbs (or common household LED light bulbs with shading to reduce their light output into a room) to produce the same amount of light that two or three candles would produce rather than literally burning through candles which you will consume at a startling pace in a long-term electrical grid outage.
Pro tip: note that you should have spares of everything in your solar system–spare solar panels, solar charge controllers, batteries, and DC-to-AC inverters in case any of your items fail.
UC,
Nice summary! Thank you!
He!! I can’t even have a HiPoint 10 mm rifle or handgun! Banned in Ill annoy(although I got a used one in Indiana years ago. That shop abruptly closed(Blythes in Griffith,Indiana).
former water walker,
The FN Five SeVen caliber platform could arguably be the ideal long-term survival platform if you have both a semi-auto pistol and carbine chambered in it. Being able to use the same ammunition in both your handgun and carbine is very valuable.
Note that this caliber is supposed to generate enough muzzle velocity in a handgun to penetrate most ballistic vests. Of course the carbine will definitely generate enough muzzle velocity to penetrate most ballistic vests and probably be potent to at least 100 yards if not 200 yards.
The only down side is ammunition availability. You better have a pretty large inventory on hand to get through a long-term ugly situation because you probably won’t find any for resupply in homes or stores.
Just say no to Kel-Tec.
My 9mm sub2k was one of the post unpleasant guns I’ve ever owned. Getting a sight picture was almost impossible and the charging handle is very awkward. A cheap gun is kind of silly when ammo is pricey. Hard pass.