KelTec Releases the 5.7x28mm SUB2000 GEN3 5.7

1. I had a Sub2000 1st generation. Quite unimpressed with QC(also had a used PF9). I’d get a 10mm rifle but never a 5.7. I can see the utility of 5.7 but I already have 5.56/223 which is way better but not in ILLannoy🙄

   • FWW,

     Agree….5.7 seems cool but it does not fill a gap in my meager arsenal. Saving for that Bear Creek 10mm carbine….but thinking some solar panels, first, for when the civil war starts and the grid goes down for an extended period.

     • Do you really want to be the only house with electric lights in a prolonged grid down scenario?

       • Not electric lights….charging batteries….keeping food cool.
         We have literally, hundreds of candles.
         Got the stealth thing figured out.

       • jwm,

         Solar panels plus significant battery storage in a long-term grid-down situation have several huge advantages even in stealth mode (no externally visible bright lights).

         First ginormous advantage, you can keep food refrigerated and frozen. Not only is that critical for food storage, it could easily be critical for producing cold beverages and even ice which you could use to combat heat stroke. (Remember, you probably won’t have air conditioning running because that makes too much noise and potentially draws too much attention.)

         Second advantage for people who have water wells rather than municipal water: they continue to have an unlimited supply of safe water to drink, wash dishes, and bathe.

         Third advantage, you can keep surveillance cameras running and even be able to view them with a smart-phone that you are able to keep fully charged. That could give you a huge leg-up if marauders start approaching your home.

         Fourth advantage, you can run old-school miniature box fans at night to enable restorative sleep in hot weather. (I say miniature box fans because they use a lot less energy than large box fans and they are much quieter which is an important feature if you need the ability to hear marauders attempting to breach your home in the middle of the night. And miniature box fans could significantly increase your comfort during the day. Last but not least, if you are suffering from heat stroke, a miniature box fan blowing on you plus refrigerated/icy beverages could literally be the difference between permanent brain damage/death and life.

         Fifth advantage is you can operate radios, televisions, and potentially even Internet access to receive information from the outside world.

         Sixth advantage–you can cook food in electric crock pots (which only draw about 200 watts while running) or even on an electric burner (which draw about 1,000 watts while running). Note that an electric burner could be on your electric stove, or if you do not have an electric stove, an electric burner available for about $15 at many stores. Cooked food clearly tastes better and enables more options for eating long-term storage dried and freeze-dried foods. And perhaps of critical importance, some of your food may have dangerous bacteria levels that can be fatal unless you cook them thoroughly. (Hopefully you have refrigeration so your food would never get to the point of dangerous bacteria levels.)

         Seventh advantage: you can operate small LED light bulbs (or common household LED light bulbs with shading to reduce their light output into a room) to produce the same amount of light that two or three candles would produce rather than literally burning through candles which you will consume at a startling pace in a long-term electrical grid outage.

         Pro tip: note that you should have spares of everything in your solar system–spare solar panels, solar charge controllers, batteries, and DC-to-AC inverters in case any of your items fail.

         • UC,

           Nice summary! Thank you!

           • LifeSavor,

             You are most welcome.

             Two additional details:

             1) You can use an electric kettle to boil up to one quart/liter of water at a time. While they do pull a lot of energy (about 1400 Watts while they are running), they are surprisingly fast. My electric kettle brings 7 ounces of cold water to a boil in about 30 seconds.

             2) You will need more than one or two small solar panels to support the applications that I stated above. I would recommend at least 1,600 Watts of solar panels, and 2,000 Watts would be better. While that sounds like a lot (and it is), that is in perfect conditions which never actually happens. Even more important, 1,600 Watts of solar panels might only produce 160 Watts during a fairly dreary cloudy day.

             There are various shapes, sizes, and power production ratings of solar panels. A common size is approximately 40 inches by 60 inches and rated to produce about 300 Watts in ideal conditions (or just 30 Watts on a dreary cloudy day). Six of those solar panels would support most or all of the applications that I stated in many/most installations, assuming that your panels get sunshine most of the day.

             • Those who wish to prep for hard times/grid down need to pull a 3 day fast – or try.

               That is a great way to find out how unprepared you really are for restricted rations. Many Americans would lose their veneer and panic after 24 hours.

               Enough pain meds to keep yourself from committing suicide if you catch a kidney stone – 10x. If you have never had enough pain to know that long term survival is not always a good thing, be grateful, and take heed.

               But the most important thing you can have is a deep well and a way to pump water.

               As for the rest, have at it.

         • OK, I don’t want to be a party pooper but… everything you listed as an advantage can be made null & void advantage wise with one roving band of well armed people or maybe one or two RPG rounds. Don’t think there will not be some of those around in an ‘end of the world’ scenario where people will set out purposely to enact their survival plan of taking your stuff.

           Plus they will also be looking for signs of solar panels which indicates you have stuff ‘electric’ such as, maybe, a fridge thing which means probably food which means possibly a supply of canned/packaged stuff to go with or supplement that ‘refrigerated’ food. So light those candles, you don’t want to stand out but there are other indicators you need to be aware of. And sometimes they may just want your ‘shelter’ no matter if you don’t have anything else they want.

           It will be lotsa fun.

           • I fasted 168 hrs water only. 1985. A week. It was a Christian thing. Dropped 14 lbs. I don’t know how I ever did it. At 70 with a few health problems I can only do a day now. Dying in the apocalypse is infinitely worse than party pooping😧

             • Wow! Have done more than a week “orange juice only” but it was a poverty thing, not religious. A week water only would be difficult, scary, maybe fatal for me at this point.

         • It’s fascinating to hear your thoughts on this. I’m full on prepared to live 1800’s style. I’m in Florida and keeping electric alive is not reasonable long term. Freeze drying is my main solution. You can buy a home freeze drier. It’s a little expensive but I figured it was worth it.

       • jwm,

         In my comment above advocating for the advantages of a solar system even in “low key” mode during a long-term grid outage, I forgot to mention yet another advantage: you can make limited quantities of hot water for drinking and even bathing. I use an electric kettle every day to make hot water for tea and coffee. It brings 7 ounces of cold water to a boil in about 30 seconds. The only down side is that it draws about 1,400 watts while running. Thus you would need a fairly substantial power inverter to transform you solar panel and/or battery power to 120 volts A.C. to run an electric kettle. And if you wanted to make two gallons of boiling water to mix with two gallons of cold water for bathing, that would probably take about 20 minutes and multiple kettles.

         (Common electric kettles have one quart/liter capacity. Thus you have to boil eight full electric kettles to generate two gallons of boiling water.)

     • He!! I can’t even have a HiPoint 10 mm rifle or handgun! Banned in Ill annoy(although I got a used one in Indiana years ago. That shop abruptly closed(Blythes in Griffith,Indiana).

   • former water walker,

     The FN Five SeVen caliber platform could arguably be the ideal long-term survival platform if you have both a semi-auto pistol and carbine chambered in it. Being able to use the same ammunition in both your handgun and carbine is very valuable.

     Note that this caliber is supposed to generate enough muzzle velocity in a handgun to penetrate most ballistic vests. Of course the carbine will definitely generate enough muzzle velocity to penetrate most ballistic vests and probably be potent to at least 100 yards if not 200 yards.

     The only down side is ammunition availability. You better have a pretty large inventory on hand to get through a long-term ugly situation because you probably won’t find any for resupply in homes or stores.

     • Wrong. Long-term survival requires reloading potential, FN has made that impossible to do so safely in an amount of time that makes the anemic results worth it.

       So unless we are in an all out invasion of Goa’uld or the replicators have come to Earth, stick to useful calibers.

       • Heavily velocity dependant for basic kevlar and newer vests (uhmwpe or kevlar blend) would need either actual AP (good luck) or some exotic but legal copper solids.

     • “The FN Five SeVen caliber platform could arguably be the ideal long-term survival platform if you have both a semi-auto pistol and carbine chambered in it.”

       Disagree, survival means silence, and that 5.7 supersonic *crack* attracts unwanted attention.

       Subsonic suppressed, all day long…

     • 5.7 is an interesting caliber, but you can defeat soft armor with certain 9mm rounds (think fast all copper). Then there are the two 357s.

       • The solid copper 5.7 seems to outdo all of the above but availability/ease of reloading leaves a lot to be desired. I think it will stick around better than the 357 Sig but be the up an coming soon to be widespread caliber for quite some time to come…..still.

   • walker,
     I bought a Gen2 Sub2000, and yes the QC sucked. However, I got a full set of MCARBO upgrades, did a little amateur gunsmithing (MCARBOS quality is good, and I found their instructions to be excellent). Now it runs great (and is noticeably more accurate and easier to shoot). Kel-Tec has some GREAT designs, but their QC sucks harder than MajorLiar.

2. Just say no to Kel-Tec.

3. My 9mm sub2k was one of the post unpleasant guns I’ve ever owned. Getting a sight picture was almost impossible and the charging handle is very awkward. A cheap gun is kind of silly when ammo is pricey. Hard pass.

   • Brian,

     You have to press your face forward and against the buffer tube to get a good sight picture on the SUB-2000. Once you realize that, getting a good sight picture is easy.

4. I traded out the Stock sights on mine and put in the higher MCarbo set which allows for a little higher eye elevation off the stock.

   Not a firearm I would want to put 2000 rounds through during a weekend class, but in the several hundred I have fired with it I’ve never had a malfunction. Accurate, reliable, compatible with my Glock 9 mags, it’s an extra tool in the toolbox to extend your range a bit where space or concealment issues keep you from bringing the AR along. Plus, frankly, it’s just a fun gun

5. Love me some keltec

6. why buy a keltec
   when for just a little bit more
   you can buy a real gun

7. I like my Keltec P32 very much. Also my SU-16c. very good.

8. The experts say 5.7 is useless in any gun. They even say 357 is not that good. Because it’s bullet development stopped around the 1990s.

   But bullet development continues in 9mm, 380, 22lr, and 223 556.

   And why is anyone buying a 14oz gun in 357???

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