“While trying to shoot a dog that had attacked an officer, deputies from the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Office instead struck [ 17-year-old Amando] Garcia-Muro.” washintonpost.com reports. “Their bullets ricocheted off the driveway, authorities said, and one hit the teen’s chest. He later died at a hospital.” The LAPD issued the following statement:
“Update #LASD Deputy-Involved Shooting, 38500 blk 10th St East, Palmdale”
Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Homicide detectives are continuing their investigation into the circumstances surrounding a Deputy-Involved Shooting that occurred on the 38500 block of 10th Street East, Palmdale, on Thursday, June 22, 2017, at approximately 3:47 a.m.
Detectives have learned, Palmdale Station deputies responded to a call for service of “loud music.” When deputies arrived and walked up the driveway, a 60-65 pound pit bull aggressively charged at the deputies and attacked one of them, biting the deputy on his left knee.
At that time, a male Hispanic juvenile came from behind the apartment complex and restrained the pit bull and took the dog to the rear of the apartment complex. Deputies then retreated back onto the street for safety and rendered aid to the injured deputy.
As the deputies were awaiting the arrival of paramedics, the pit bull came from the rear of the apartment and again charged at deputy personnel. At that point, two deputies shot at the pit bull from a five to seven feet distance, at which time, the pit bull retreated back to the rear of the apartment complex into the carport area. Deputies returned to the rear of the complex in an attempt to corral the dog to prevent additional victims.
As deputies walked to the rear carport area, they found a juvenile on the ground suffering from what appeared to be a gunshot wound to the chest. Deputies provided medical aide pending the arrival of paramedics. The juvenile was transported to a local hospital where he succumbed to his injuries.
Preliminary investigation indicated the first six to eight feet where the shooting occurred with the pit bull, there was evidence of skip rounds on the driveway area. Detectives believe when the juvenile came out from behind the building, which was approximately 40 feet away from where the shooting occurred with the dog, the juvenile may have been struck by one of the skip rounds.
The deputy who was bitten by the pit bull, also was hit by a bullet fragment to his right leg. The injured deputy was transported to a local hospital to be treated for his injuries and is listed in stable condition.
Based on the pit bull’s condition, it will be euthanized.
A check of call for service for this location reveals deputies responded at least four times for loud music and gang activity in the past two months.
The investigation is active and ongoing. No additional information available at this time.
Whenever a Deputy Involved Shooting occurs involving Los Angeles County Sheriff’s deputies and it results in the fatality of a suspect, multiple independent investigations immediately begin at the scene. These include separate investigations by the Los Angeles County Department of Medical Examiner – Coroner, Sheriff’s Homicide Bureau and Internal Affairs Bureau.
The Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department immediately notifies the Office of the Inspector General who sends a representative to the incident scene and provides independent oversight throughout the investigative process. Once concluded, every aspect of the shooting is reviewed by the Sheriff’s Executive Force Review Committee.
The Office of the Los Angeles County District Attorney also participates in the investigatory process and conducts a legal analysis of the shooting.
LAPD Capt. Christopher Bergner told reporters that five deputies were present at the time of the shooting. Two discharged their weapons, firing six to eights shots.
I’ve had a little bit of experience with shooting firearms in urban conditions went over in Iraq and yes ricochets do happen. However usually when shooting at a concrete surface the bullet tends to explode especially a hollow point stripping the copper or aluminum casing off having the lead follow the easiest pathway which is usually directly across the concrete usually they don’t bounce back. And if they do the amount of energy contained in the round after hitting a solid slab of concrete is minimal to none. Rifle rounds are a little different you can get some weird stuff happening when firing especially into grass but for the most part 9 out of 10 times a Ricochet unless you’re shooting at the concrete and the person is laying on the concrete the bullet then would have enough energy to pierce into the person but hitting the concrete and bouncing up I find that hard to believe.
6 – 8 shots; on a dog at 8′. Based on your remarks, one conjecture is that the deflected bullets didn’t hit the kid; another round hit him. The autopsy ought to disprove this conjecture.
Otherwise, if the only tool you have is a hammer . . .
The cop who was bit was likely justified in using the tool he had immediately at hand.
After the dog was dragged off and the officers retreated to cover, they were facing a different situation. A dog on scene; maybe worth while deploying the pepper spray. Should the dog reappear they would prefer not to be shooting in a downward trajectory against a concrete backstop horizontal to the ground.
Apparently not. All the officers were ready with their hammers ready to take on 1 dog and the loud music.
You have obviously never faced an attacking dog. Two officers with guns are not too much! Attacking dogs, especially a bit bull, will continue to attack until incapacitated or almost dead. I have seen the aftermath of a dog attack in which a Rottweiler ripped most a little girls face and scalp off. It took six rounds to stop that dog and it was stopped in the process of ravaging the little girl so it was distracted and not charging the person with the gun as in this case. It doctors 10+ hours to reattach the girls face and scalp but only minutes for the dog to do that much damage! Had those other officers not been on scene, the officer attacked could have easily been unable to repel the dog as he was on the ground in a vulnerable position. Remember, the dog was shot as it began its second attack!
It is a tragedy that the boy was killed during the incident. While the officers will have to live with that, they acted accordingly and fired until the threat was neutralized likely saving the life of the downed officer!
A 6 year old girl is not a grown cop and the life of a citizen is more important than the life of a cop. Better the cop had been mauled to death than this teen shot and killed.
It is well past time to disarm cops.
Citizens should be armed, not government employees.
He had to get it on, amiright?
I agree, which is why I question the police narrative here. According to them, the dog attacked once and was pulled away by the teen, attacked again and was shot at, but apparently ceased its attack and still wasn’t close to death when the article was written.
One ought to be extremely hesitant before firing 6 to 8 rounds in an urban environment. Well, civilians would need to be extremely hesitant because they are held to account for their actions. People who are not held to account need not be careful and should make no changes at all to their rules of engagement.
Cops are citizens, AFAIK.
Granted, cops have the right of self-defense, just like anyone else. But what would happen if this had been a private citizen shooting at the dog and accidentally killing a bystander? We all know the answer. The private citizen has to answer for every single bullet, whereas police….
The other questions, of course, are “why weren’t they able to hit their target?” and “why did they fire so many shots?”
Both are training and practice related problems. The former due to poor marksmanship … all Marines may be rifleman, but all cops are not necessarily pistol experts…but they should be, since that is their primary weapon. Police “qualifying” is pretty much a bad joke.
As to spraying bullets everywhere, police are trained to fire until the threat is stopped…something that started with the widespread adoption of semi-autos.
Back in the day of the revolver, every shot needed to count…much better for civilian bystanders. But it’s not the semi-auto that is the problem, it is the lack of training and lack of consequences that are the cause. Check out the many videos available of police in Brazil, Europe, etc.. making one or two shot kills stopping a crime. And the training issue and the consequences are interrelated.
There will be no push to change the training until police face real consequences for their bad actions. Sure, the family will sue and get a large settlement from local government, which really means the local taxpayers. The officers may at most a slap on the wrist, but more likely, no consequences at all, except for maybe their guilty feelings.
Chris Mallory, you think a citizen should give up their Constitutional right to be armed in public because they take a job in law enforcement? They shouldn’t have the right to defend their lives any more? They are still citizens, parents, husbands, wives, etc. Well, mostly citizens. I hear some departments are moving to hire non-citizen immigrants where they are having trouble filling the ranks. But whatever.
I don’t want disarmed cops. I want cops that are no better armed than the rest of us are allowed to be, and cops that are subject to the same prosecution for negligent use of firearms.
I put the bulk of the blame here on the adult dog owners who failed to secure a dangerous animal. Assuming it wasn’t an intentional release of the dog when the cops showed up, it could have been anyone walking up that driveway that got attacked: a delivery guy, a mailman, a girl scout selling cookies, a couple of Mormon kids knocking on doors, etc. If any of those people had been mauled to death, the dog owner could have been charged with negligent homicide or something along those lines. In this case, the victim of the dog attack used a firearm to defend themselves and somebody else died as a result of the attack by an unsecured dangerous dog.
I found a couple of examples on Google where charges were either dismissed or never made in the first place against someone who killed a bystander when firing a gun in self defense. One of which was in LA like this incident, where the cops wanted the shooter to be charged but the city prosecutors decided not to because the gun was fired in self-defense. I think the argument in those cases is that the persons who initiated the deadly encounter are primarily responsible for any deaths that result from a self-defense response. This is how the surviving accomplices of burglars that get shot by cops or homeowners end charged with homicide/manslaughter. It will be interesting to see if the dog owner in this case is charged for the death of the teen.
I’ll say it for the second time in 2 days: cops are dangerous mofos. Period. No exceptions.
Just IMHO, no.
We were taught that a ricocheting bullet (pistol or rifle) would likely only ‘rebound’ 6-8″ off of the surface (one of the reasons that you’re to stay 6-8′ off of walls during MOUT movement(s) on foot, and another (ancillary) reason to do “wall-body-weapon” in your weapon handling to keep your weapon safe from ricocheting and deflecting any of it towards you off of your weapon).
I believe that one of the officers would have had to hit something (a vertical surface like a masonry wall) point blank, at a downward angle, to achieve a fragmented ‘hit’ on the officer’s leg, and that would have also had to be 6-8″ from that vertical surface.
I don’t believe it should be that you could get a ‘bounce / skip’ to go high enough to hit even a standing small child in the chest.
I agree with you. When I was a full-time LEO and a firearms instructor, we would demonstrate this with every academy. Even if you shot at a steep angle into the concrete, a handgun round would still deflect no more than approximately a foot off the ground into a target. I actually find the official narrative believable. If the teen came around the corner and saw guns drawn, the natural reaction is to get down. This may have been what cost him his life.
The original poster’s narrative of the rounds essentially disintegrating is not what I ever observed.
That foot off the ground target hit was at a given distance. Follow that trajectory out to a greater distance and you have a higher bullet. The bullet isn’t going to automatically change trajectory and level out at a given height and then maintain that height on it’s continuing path.
A tumbling bullet can follow a different (even curved) trajectory, especially after striking something.
AND, I have done ZERO ‘research’ but was taught, by some people who you’d think would know better ~ ?, but we were taught to expect a bullet striking a surface to thereafter travel parallel to that surface at approx. ~ 6″ – 8″ off of the surface. Except for a windshield, which will pull at the point of impact and angle-through the material at a slightly steeper angle, and thereafter travel in a straight-ish path.
Misleading headline is misleading.
Very.
But it seems to have been corrected now.
Misleading headline has been corrected.
I posted a link to the video news report last night. the mother doesn’t believe it was a ricochet, contending that her son has two bullet holes in him. Further, I don’t understand how the officer got shot as well. It seems to me that at least one of the four rules was violated: know your target and what’s behind it.
According to the news story that was linked to, the “boy” had control of the animal and retrieved it after it attacked the officer the first time, and was attempting to restrain it when the cops came and dealt with it. His aunt says he was a hero, and the owner of the pit bull said it dindu nuffin.
Of course, how exactly does that explain the bite wounds the officer received?
Know whats behind where your shooting.
You don’t shoot into water and you sure as heck don’t shoot at a hard surface like these cops did.
Where did they expect the bullets to end up that missed??
Im not really surprised by the ending of this report at all.
The outcome of this, if we believe the ballistics as stated, is extremely unusual. Bullets don’t typically act like that.
“Know whats behind where your shooting.
You don’t shoot into water and you sure as heck don’t shoot at a hard surface like these cops did.”
They weren’t shooting at a hard surface, they were shooting at a soft one. They missed. If we take your range rule to its literal conclusion, no one can EVER fire a gun defensively in an urban environment. There is almost no where you can shoot in such a place that isn’t a hard surface.
How is it that I’m able to respond to medical 911’s in the middle of the night, and sometimes I have to confront dogs in their own houses in the middle of the night, regs state I cannot be armed on these response calls, and I’ve been able to not only enter the dwelling with a similar-sized pit bull answering the door, but in three minutes I had the dog by my side, wagging its tail?
Seriously, with all the supposed training that cops get, would it be asking too much for them to get some training on how to handle dogs without weapons?
This, so much this.
My neighborhood has a ton of pits, rotts, Pinchers, chows, Sharpe’s, GSD’s, dutchies etc. Sometimes *gasp* they even get loose! No one ever gets bit or pulls a gun.
It’s a nearly weekly occurrence for us to have a dog or two from the neighborhood slurping down a bowl of water in our front yard while we grab a leash to take the dog home.
Everyone knows what the problem is (An autistic kid who let’s dogs out, sad situation and not the kid’s fault. Fuck autism.) so we just bring each other’s dogs home.
Cops in the area know the deal and they’ll even give dogs a ride home if they find them wandering.
I think the difference here is that your area actually takes good care of their dogs with training, socialization, etc.
This being poor area of LA, I sincerely doubt the quality of life for those poor creatures. Abuse and neglect is all too common and leads to bite incidents.
It also appears that the people take care of each other, too. Sadly uncommon in far too many places these days.
Back to training and expectation. I’ve had several generations of family members who were cops back when it actually was dangerous, and cops were killed on the job more often than delivery drivers, construction workers, roofers, lawn maintenance supervisors and the like. Unlike today.
Back in the day, you would have been laughed at if you couldn’t (at most) club/slapjack a vicious dog into submission. Shooting a dog was the last resort, like shooting a perp. Nowadays, being a cop is supposed to be pretty much without risk, and it statistically is. Collect a better (up being in the upper 10% better) than median salary, enjoy gravy benes and retirement.
I don’t know how to fix the culture, it is systemically broken and more recruits are cranked out everyday with a really sad set of values.
This sounds like a clear cut negligent homicide case to me. I bring this point up often, how no other first responders use anything other than pepper spray at most and usually not even that. I think most of thses dog shooting cops are just itching to shoot something or are WAY too timid for the job.
I’m a police sergeant and long time dog owner. Most, virtually all dogs love me. When I’m on duty, in uniform, responding to a call, my demeanor is different. I smell different. Maybe it’s the stale odor of adrenaline on body armor, or the uniform itself, but many dogs act aggressively towards police and mail carriers.
Police attack / patrol dogs are trained to find the odor of a stressed out individual and attack that guy. Officers responding to dirtbag central, and a known gang area, are going to have some adrenalin running.
With that being said, I’ve never shot a dog with a firearm. I’ve used OC Spray and Tasers on them, and they’ve worked beautifully. If a pit wants to attack me without warning, it’s probably going to eat lead. If I have advance notice, I’ll have OC Spray or a Taser out, and I’m pretty good with those.
My Weimaraner is not the most aggressive dog in the world, but doesn’t take kindly to intruders. She especially hates small, yappy dogs. Not sure how much of that is from her DNA or from me hating small, yappy dogs. If she got out and gets herself shot, it’s my fault. If she tears a little dog from limb to limb, it’s my fault.
This sounds like panicky, terrible shooting, possibly mixed with poor training. Of course this shooting would not have happened in the first place if some irresponsible dog owner/ gang banger had the sense to keep their pit bull contained. Twice.
I may get a lot of hate here, but I don’t think loud “F#$% the police / b!tches / hos / I’mma motherf#$%ing gangsta” music is covered by the 1st Amendment. I wouldn’t want my 4 year old son to hear that garbage, and I frankly don’t want to hear it, either.
I work in the LA area. This incident occurred in Palmdale, CA. Most of Palmdale these days is a terrible area. Pit bulls are the ghetto alarms for homes, and often mistreated. I could be wrong being prejudiced against Palmdale, and the pit bulls residents of the same, but I doubt it.
“I don’t think loud “F#$% the police / b!tches / hos / I’mma motherf#$%ing gangsta” music is covered by the 1st Amendment.” All but the loud part is covered.
Maybe you haven’t met the right (wrong) dogs.
Also, we know how dogs take cues from owners. Something tells me the vibe towards the cops in this scenario would be different than that towards someone coming to help with a medical problem.
I’ve made friends with police K9’s that bit their handlers on a regular basis. I’ve been able to command police K9’s that their handlers had to scream at in order to get them to merely sit. I’ve owned livestock guardian dogs that could tear the crap out of any cop K9 in seconds I’m talking dogs that go 125+ pounds, can run at 35+ MPH and they kill coyotes for shits and grins by picking them up and snapping their necks. I run into livestock guardian dogs in the mountains here in Wyoming on a regular basis – with bands of sheep, unattended. These dogs face down wolves and bears to earn their keep. Cop K9’s, pit bulls, Rotties – all are pussycats compared to LGD’s – they’re half the size and they usually have a handler nearby. Yet, I don’t have a problem.
Pit bulls? Feh. The biggest problem I have with pit bulls is their tails. When they get real excited and happy, they can whip their tails so hard, you’d think they’re a bullwhip with a dog attached. But I don’t have problems with pits attacking me.
This stuff isn’t rocket surgery. It really isn’t.
The problem is that cops have an attitude about handling animals. Let’s ignore dogs for a second. If I turned a cop loose in a pasture with a cow and asked him to move the cow from pasture A to pasture B, and have it done in 10 minutes, his solution would be to shoot the cow and then go get a backhoe to move the corpse – all because the cop mindset is YOU WILL DO WHAT I SAY, OR ELSE.
And, BTW, I’ve seen cops do exactly that with a cow on a roadway. They couldn’t be bothered to move a lone cow back on the other side of a fence, so they just shot it at the edge of the pavement. Brilliant.
I like how every dog is just a dog but if the dog looks a certain way it’s relentlessly referred to as a “pit bull.”
If it were anything but would “chihuahua” or “shepherd” or “yellow lab” been mentioned 8 times?
No agenda there.
#pitbulllivesmatter
Because pitbulls…because guns. Because no mental effort is required when feelings trump facts.
There are plenty of other dogs that I would not want to attacked by: Dobermans, Ridgebacks, Chow Chows, and Bulldogs immediately come to mind. They are all plenty capable of harm. However, Pitts tend to be the cheapest, making them ubiquitous among certain demographics.
You mentioned Ridgeback (Rhodesian Ridgeback). I have personal experience with the breed.
I own my own Ridgeback. She is an 85 pound puppy that can mouth a youth basketball. She breaks turtle shells for a pastime. She is willing to play just as rough as I am. Anything short of an amateur boxer probably can’t hit that dog hard enough to dissuade her.
Her temperament, though, is nothing short of amazing. She is the best behaved dog I know. She won’t eat anything not gave specifically to her. She won’t bite anything that is not me. Children can do what they want to her, without repercussions (from her). Anyone can call her off of anything. She can be in dead sprint after anything and be stopped with one command.
So, like Pits, I think Ridgebacks are only as dangerous as they’re made to be.
Indeed. I’ve play wrestled with cowardly pitts, and likewise been attacked by supposedly harmless labs. Its all about their training and conditioning.
Agree. The last statistics I saw “pit bull type dogs” which include at least 5 Different breeds, didn’t even crack the top 5. German Shepherds, Golden Retrievers and Dachshunds are more likely to attack statistically.
i’ll see your golden and raise you one fraida’s boneless cat. please.
big diff between attacks and deaths though. (what are nowadays classified as) pits are numero uno in the human fatality club.
I’ll bet the cops stood around for half an hour looking at the kid scratching their heads wondering what happened before they called for EMT’s.
I say every shooting like this, or the one’s where the cops kill a black man who was selling untaxed cigarettes, or was reaching for his CCW permit, etc. should have the cops bank accounts drained and all their assets auctioned off to pay for the loss of life. Maybe then the overpaid, dumbo cops will stop trying to look tough to compensate for their lack of actual toughness so they don’t lose their precious money and stuff.
and maybe the cops will not show when you need them?
that is happening right now, cops don’t take calls alone anymore and wait till 5 others are there and the crime is long over
Ferguson effect
If they don’t want to do the job they are very well paid to do, then fire them. But honestly, I have never needed a cop to show up. Judging from all indications it only makes things worse.
It would be hard to underestimate how little need I expect to have for the services that the police usually deliver.
“It would be hard to underestimate how little need I expect to have for the services that the police usually deliver.”
The only time I ever call the cops is so they can take a report and do an investigation.
Rodney King beating verdict effect. Police stayed in thier stations while everyone watched Reggie Denny get hit in the head with concrete blocks. To be fair, it was police Chief Darrell Gates that ordered his LEOs to stand down – for which he will have to defend when he meets his maker.
If this happened as it seems to have, the cops involved should be charged exactly as a normal ‘civilian’ would be had they done the same thing. If I was out walking and was attacked by dogs/wild animals and one of my stray rounds killed someone, I would be in jail and facing manslaughter charges in a heartbeat.
Exactly.
I believe, when it comes to their job, cops should be held to a higher standard than I.
When it comes to criminal proceedings, though, they should be held to the exact same standards as everyone else.
I am against having a special class of people, no matter the reason.
“Whenever a Deputy Involved Shooting occurs involving Los Angeles County Sheriff’s deputies and it results in the fatality of a suspect …”
What was the suspected crime? When you call the dead kid a suspect, you should back that up with something that isn’t a noise ordinance violation. “We’re pretty sure the kid was really loud, so don’t worry that we killed him.”
To be fair, the word “suspect” should probably have been “subject.”
Kind of my point. The use of the term suspect is inappropriate unless they explain why they used that term. Fortunately for them, you can’t defame the dead.
“We didn’t just shoot the kid, a ricochet hit us too! We’re victims too!”
And you guys are always bashing NYPD for poor marksmanship.
Don’t worry, there’s a lot of room in that club, and the LASD are founding members.
I don’t buy the whole story. Cops are always in hurry to shoot the dogs. Frankly cops are just plain in a hurry to shoot, which sometimes results in them shooting each other.
Sorry but when cops screw up I most often jump to the they are just trying to cover their ass.
The two most over used B.S. excuses. It’s for the children and I feared for my life.
Are ANY po-leece good shots?!?
John McQuay
There was a story with accompanying body cam footage on here a while ago about a pair of cops in Fort Collins, Colorado, dealing with a highly agitated and apparently suicidal man armed with a sizable knife. The man died, but if it were up to me, that footage would be shown to every police cadet in the country, and every real cop at least once a year as a PERFECT example of how to handle a potential deadly force situation. And I believe their accuracy was fairly good as well
Well, an Austin cop once made a 104 yard shot with a pistol.
https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/shot-heard-around-country-tx-cop-kills-active-shooter-104-yards/
There are competition shooters who happen to be cops, even in anti-gun states like CA. The average cop isn’t particularly so. I wish that wasn’t the case, but national stats in the US are pretty clear that taxpayers shoot better than cops.
Congratulations! You passed the nypd shooting test. Miss your target at 6-8 feet and kill/wound two bystanders (if you can call cop number one who got bit a bystander).
You will now ne issued your new uniform and ar.
You sure it wasn’t that rapper guy? I guess he can be scary, just looky here http://i.imgur.com/Mnv3U.jpg, yeah scared the hellouttame !
Why aren’t radical leftists and the lamestream media complaining that PETA isn’t speaking up for the dog?
I own a Pitbull and I understand how incredibly strong they are. I also understand many breeds are perfectly capable of killing a grown man.
That being said new training and policies need to come into effect. There has to be a better way of dealing with aggressive or dangerous dogs. This is not acceptable and the officer made a critical error in judgement.
I am not saying that this officer was wrong, but the LASD has many priors for shooting dogs “just in case”. Any dog is going to try to stop aggressive people coming at his people. If the dog was contained and there was no boisterious actions, I would say the deputy was in the wrong. Many times they will tell the person that is holding the dog to move away from the dog and then get between them. A loud party is not a felony warrant, so the dog is not part of the noise. Killing a family pet shows the family who is in control, but will make for hard feelings for life.
They kill many dogs every year. Most pitbulls are loving dogs that are very protective of thier owners. A little training about dog handling would go a long way in community policing. How would you think of sherrif’s deputies at 6 or 7 years old when they shoot your loving dog, because it just might attack them when they are ordering people around to “lower the volume” or to break up a party? In some neighborhoods, that is all the protection a family might have. Many in these areas are scared of what the police might do if they know they have a gun.
Yeah. I know people whose dog was shot by a cop because it wouldn’t get out of his way. Now they’d rather shoot any cops who show up at their house rather than risk losing another dog — because that dog was their kid’s anchor, and it took two years of budget-destroying therapy and an almost identical dog to bring the kid back ‘awake’.
And cops wonder why kids in that neighborhood run from them.
Oh well, just another low life citizen. Easy to replace. Heck, the poor guy cant even be called a cash cow. Now dont get upset brain stems. This is awful by any measure. And I feel for the family. I just have to wonder, what the commie kalifornia overlords will do to end this. Tax, ban, fee, check something?
Ricky O’Shea is a very bad dude that has killed quite often.
not to mention hipshot percussion.
I just wave my cap, the dog attacks the cap and I cap him in the head, done bang dead period. End of problem. I want my lawyer.
It’s pretty rare for bullets to bounce up like that. Possible, because bullets do weird things, but rare.
Either the story is wrong or that is a hell of an unlucky ricochet.
After reading all the comments (60 at the time) I just have to say….if cops cannot hit a dog with 6 shots, they should be tried and convicted of reckless endangerment. If a dog (no, I don’t care which type dog) cannot be put down with 6 shots, the shooter(s) are terminally incompetent, a danger to society, a waste of paycheck. The fact that they shot a youngster (who reportedly was behind a building, away from the vision of the cops, proves (not indicates), proves the cops are criminally negligent simply walking around with a gun on their belt. Depraved indifference.
Spot on.
Every Nail does not require a Glock hammer solution. Shooting to stop a dog is a option, but in this case the wrong one. A taser or nitestick does not ricochet.
Was the music turned down?
I lie in a nice area. I have been charged by my neighbors Pit Bull twice, one of those time the animal went straight for my 5 y/o daughter. I jumped in front and kicked it. Then the owner came out and grabbed it. The 2nd time it came flying out the garage right at me. I yelled at it and the owner came running out. It stopped about an inch from me. I had my hand on my pistol and I was ready to unload. I wasn’t going to wait until it bite me. Now I won’t walk in my neighborhood unless I am armed.
Both times it came out of (seemingly) nowhere and scared the s**t out of me. I can see how the cops unload on it and I am surprised they fired so few rounds. It’s terrible that teenager got shot but people need to control their damn animals……..
I agree 100% with Robert.
A bunch of years ago, I tried a ricochet experiment with some friends.
We shot several types of bullets onto a few different surfaces to see how they would bounce.
We used hard cast lead, FMJ , JHP, and steel core bullets.
Onto concrete:
Only the steel core bullets ricocheted with anywhere near their original angle.
I’m not a physicist, but I theorize the lead(cored) bullets spent more energy on deforming than the steel core bullets, altering their exit trajectories. We collected the spent bullets, and the lead bullets had indeed deformed much more than the steel cored bullets.
Off a steel plate, the same results, but not as much.
Dear Police,
STOP Shooting Dogs. PERIOD.
Find something else to do.
Sincerely, Fed Up Citizens
Dear stupid dog worshiper:
Control your damn animal.
If not, prepare for it to be euthanized, and to be billed for the required services.
Dear police: If you shoot at my animal, and miss, you will be personally sued, and a federal complaint lodged for depraved indifference to the risk places on bystanders.
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