LGBT Groups Sign Arcus Foundation Letter Demanding Disarmament

1. There were 49 disarmed people at Pulse. We see how well that worked for them.

   • A lot more than that…. to my knowledge only the terrorist and the cop were armed. I’ve heard up to 300 people were in the club.

2. Man, that letter is a tl:dr, but pretty standard fare…

   People commit crimes.

   Guns are available.

   False statistic, false statistic, false statistic.

   Government protect us from bad people by disarming good people.

   That about sums it up.

   • It should be carefully noted that when the raw numbers do not support your case statistics will ALWAYS be given as percentages. By this means if there was one of something you do not like last year and there are two this year you can claim a 100% increase without having to state quantities.

     There are a LOT of percentages in this letter and zero actual numbers.

3. So we’re all just going to forget that this was Islamic terrorism right? I just want to make sure we’re all on the same page here.

   • If by “we” you mean anti’s, then yes…

     But, I’m not “we”, so no.

     • That was the joke…

       • Clearly.

   • There is no such thing. Please refer to the memo on The Narrative if you are confused. Hate and terrorism come only from white Christian males. Everything else is the result of Gun Violence.

4. Disarm LGBT. They are dangerous, and they started it.

   Take away their guns, then take away the rest of their rights, take away their birthday and put them in camps, then ovens. They won’t be able to stop you.

5. Thumbed through quickly; didn’t see Islam, Muslim, or terrorist once.

   • ^ This.

     Who do the LGBT (hugely small and vulnerable minority) think is going to protect them from shat-ria law?

     I think individual members of this community might be now, but I think the LGBT movement better stop to reassess all of the support it actually gets from conservative/Christian members of the U.S. society. Let us all know how bad we’re wasting our time and we’ll devote more of our attention to “NOT”.

     This is a (another) LGBT problem created by its own community. They are (STILL) useful idiots for the people using them as tools to help foster their agenda [which, if it wasn’t a minority (even with the LGBT group) it wouldn’t need to market the idea of gun control, they’d just do it (and we could have at in a less civilized fashion)].

     • Why would these groups change their tunes? Too much money available for being defenseless victims. The “leaders” of these groups are making some fat-ass paychecks off of victim-hood. The Orlando massacre is a financial boon for these groups.

     • I saw a news feed this morning saying ISIS was crucifying folks for not fasting during Ramadan…

       But, I’m sure they’ll be perfectly cool with guys playing grab a$$ through the streets during a pride parade – no doubt in my mind.

       • I think Ohole’s (and the (D) and establishment (R)’s) importation of such people is just his way of dealing with a sticky LGBT issue indirectly. Hitler did it too.

         They will shat-ria a proper, safe, expedient extermination plan, and Ohole and his DOJ sock puppet Lynch, will scrub the 911 call from any references.

6. Convicted of “violent hate crimes’? That sounds like a felony.

   • Yeah, what’s that all about? Don’t they even try to learn about the actual laws they’re referring to?
     And there’s that 40% figure again; jeez this is tiresome!

7. I noticed that they have now changed the description of the slaughter. Instead of the worst in US history it’s now the worst in “modern US history”. Thus they neatly sidestep Wounded Knee and Waco.

   • And the Sand Creek Massacre as I noted yesterday. One hundred and three Cheyenne Indians, mostly women and small children, killed while camped under an American flag and a white truce flag.

     Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it.

     • Yeah, forgot about Sand Creek. Thanks.

     • And let’s not forget that the victims had been disarmed. Part of the problem in our country is that the historical memory of too many Americans runs out to about the end of their nose

     • I noticed that too. I guess if it’s the .gov doing the killing, or if it was more than 17 years ago, it’s not a mass killing or modern history.

     • I’d forgotten this one too-
       http://www.oregonencyclopedia.org/articles/chinese_massacre_at_deep_creek/#.V2goCfRHanM

8. Some people are just too stupid to learn from history.

9. “We recognize the need to address the bigotry that motivates the left to constantly blame lawful gun owners for the crimes of the unlawful.”

   Fixed it.

   This list of dangerous people you so cling to is not the shield against violence you think it is. “But, but, but…you’re on a list” is a poor defense when that person kills you via a dozen other potential methods not regulated by “the List”.

10. What exactly is this online loop hole that keeps getting cited? I know they all spread false information but how do they figure buying a firearm online is done without a background check?? If I’m not mistaken it is a double Check
    1- from the online seller
    2- from the FFL of choice
    What am I missing?

    • It might be possible, in theory, to make arrangements with a non FFL seller to complete a person to person transaction without going through a (unconstitutional) background check. Also in theory if you did not cross state lines this would not be considered illegal in most states.

      Personally I would suspect every person who responded to such an opportunity to be an agent of or informant to the BATFE.

    • Private sellers, are the new Satan, in our modern times; but more background checks didn’t stop the Orlando killer, nor will they stop the next. The body armor he tried to buy was blocked, thank goodness for small mercies.

      The problem that Orlando reveals is that with each attack, both sides of this faux debate, (fake on the left side, as it is a political side show to enact sweeping gun control, a coveted dream of Democrats for ages) become entrenched with no middle ground to be found. This debate has painted those who advocate for 2A freedom synonymous with the Orlando killer, as seen on TV, and can be read in the newspapers, this is a coercive shitstorm that ends in new laws and reduced political capitol for the Republican party, and discredits the RTKBA.

      • This is the tyranny against free and open speech Milo has talked about.

        I don’t remember who said this next point, but it well worth pondering. “They” (presumably the Communists of the 1940’s and 1950’s) realized they would never limit free speech and get full control of the narrative (as is required by the Manifesto) through legal means, so they sought ‘social’ means.

        Political correctness is the result of that. PC is an end run around the BoR. It is social shaming and silencing dissenters, not by laws (because of that pesky First Amendment).

        And, if anyone doubt that, take a look at the attack on Due Process and Privacy that has been subjected to exactly the same attacks. The “Social Justice” crowd (new fangled term for Marxist Collectivists) seek to literally destroy lives on the basis of unfounded accusations…no burden of proof, no representation, no fair and impartial jury needed or wanted. Just twitter and facebook harassment and a heap ton of willing support from the MSM every step of the way.

11. Sure, let the LGBT disarm the LGBT community.

    • If that is the direction they want to go, and they are successful (at disarming LGBTQ, not the rest of us) then they will have a difficult time blaming the NRA next time around.

12. And this is why I don’t associate with any such groups despite being what I am, aside from subscribing to my local Pink Pistols newsletter.

    Though now more than ever I’m reaaaally considering getting a concealed carry permit, although my workplace is a gunfree zone I’m… honestly not sure whether it would be worth it. Given I don’t exactly go many places, when I do it’s usually across the border, and Minnesota doesn’t reciprocate Wisconsin permits… so… what to do?

    • 49 murdered and you are just now getting around to “reaaaally considering” tooling up. Reaaaally? What is it going to take?

      • “49 murdered and you are just now getting around to “reaaaally considering” tooling up. Reaaaally? What is it going to take?”

        I live in a town of 2,000 people, split between mostly Lutheran and Catholic religious backgrounds, and not a single person in the area has said anything negative about gays or transgenders. The only Muslim I know of in the area is the district manager for one of the gas stations and is only in town one day out of the week, and not exactly a threat. I walk to my factory job, which is in town. Whenever I go out of town, it’s usually out of state, where Wisconsin CC isn’t reciprocated, and as Wisconsin is a permitless open-carry state, I can open carry when I’m not going to work. I know of 10-12 coworkers (of ~30 on my shift) who carry firearms in their vehicles at all times, and my employer does not allow for concealed carry.

        To put it simply, I’ve not seen the point of it from a practical perspective.

        • I can appreciate your risk assessment approach, but please do consider that trouble can find you anywhere. Even people in small towns have been attacked, and there has been a bit of violence in churches.

          Food for thought.

    • I’m not what you are (your words), but I heartily commend Pink Pistols.

      Will your work let you leave the gun in the car? That way you can at least carry it when you stop by somewhere after work. It’s also at least slightly possible you might manage to get to it if the shit hits the fan where you work.

      • Gay, early stages of transitioning (MtF transgender, gender dysphoria.)

        I walk to work as it is close enough to do so, so I don’t exactly have means to store a firearm at work.

        Thankfully, as stated in my reply to Baldwin, about a third of my coworkes do keep firearms in their vehicles, and I’m able to open carry any other time I’m in state of course.

    • It is better to get your gun and permit, and carry when and where you can and never need it, than to need and not have one at all. I think in your heart you know what you need to do. Good luck.

      Tom

    • “…despite being what I am”

      Are you not a Citizen of this country? Do any of the Rights protected by the Constitution and Bill of Rights not apply to you?

      • Oh, no I meant despite being gay/transgender I find myself with odds with the majority of LGBTQ groups.

        • Milo is trying to wake those groups up to the realities of this world, as is the Pink Pistols that you mentioned. Hopefully, you can be an additional voice on that side in the discussion.

13. They want a law where known terrorist and those convicted of violent hate crime are prohibited from legally purchasing a firearm…..gee I thought they were already prohibited. But of course does one assume that someone about to do something illegal is going to be stopped slowed by not being able to purchase a gun legally. People spend to much time in virtual reality and can no longer distinguish between real and imagined.

    • “…shall not be infringed.”

      If they have done nothing illegal to get themselves arrested, tried, convicted and incarcerate then there is NO PROVISION in the Second Amendment for the government to disarm them or deny them arms.

      The reason that the Second Amendment includes everybody (except the government) is that the good guys will almost always outnumber the bad guys and crazies. If enough good guys are armed and ready the bad guys can and will be stopped the instant they show their true colors.

      For proof, see the ending of almost every Western movie or TV show where the town is dominated by corrupt ranchers or a violent gang. The townspeople finally have enough and arm up to confront the bad guys and drive them out. Until the citizens man up and arm up they are just slaves to the will of the powerful and ruthless.

      • I think I agree with your overall point, but I’m not sure if referencing a scripted TV show or movie really constitutes the best “proof”. I mean, consider:

        The best way to deal with gangs of murderous thugs is to dress up in showy costumes and confuse them! For proof, watch “The Three Amigos”.

        …seriously, though, if you haven’t seen “The Three Amigos”, go watch it. It’s not proof of anything, but you really do owe it to your sense of humor.

      • Uh…High Plains Drifter?

      • A better example might be the demise of the Dalton gang in Coffeeville, KS.

    • “…They want a law where known terrorist”

      Pay attention to that little bit of wording and call them out on it EVERY SINGLE TIME!

      Why is a ‘known terrorist’ walking around freely at all?

14. The modern day gay equivalent of kapos…

15. “Cause you’ve got queerability”…sing it! As mentioned by ME before it closely reminds me of the black community disarming “cause gunz are bad”. A different sort pf plantation as it were…

16. They got one thing right in their letter: “…in modern history” Hopefully people will stumble across what is likely the largest, the Colfax massacre. In 1873 another group of Democrat terrorists slaughtered 100 black freedmen and militiamen. There are similarities. Democrats. Guns. Attack on a minority group.

17. This seems very much like asking the Nazis for kinder, gentler death camps.

18. They demand a background check when the person doing the killing got that check.

    Something not adding up here.

19. I would like to know what hate crimes allow a person to still be eligible to purchase a firearm legally.

    • No doubt “hating gun control” will be a disqualifying hate crime.

20. Boo hoo, wanh, “why do they hate us” . . .
    “How can we help you stick it to everyone who’s not us” – LGBT

    Sometimes, LGBT hate is a begged state.

    • LGBT / LIB_PROG_COMM (D)

      Two groups that really self-destructively suck, but at a rate that is too slow to protect us from them.

21. Arcus? Are we talking about the Bulgarian 9mm pistol?

22. 2,000 terrorists have legally purchased guns? How do we know this?

23. This is simply emotional knee jerk reaction being pushed in an election year by the anti-gun lobby and Democrats who see the LGBT community as their base. I have even seen my Gay friend be told that he is “not” Gay because he is not a Democrat and because he likes guns — that is what it has become.

    This is all stupid BS for political gain — that is all.

    I understand the emotion and gravity of the event, but that does not mean all logic should be thrown out for emotions.

24. well now, don’t that knock yer hat in tha crick? we got them pink pistol folks gunnin’-up to protect themselves, then we got all them lefty liberal gay folks hatin’ guns. why caint they all jes get along? seems like someone done called it right in another subject, notin’ how the democrats and their friends take more note of protectin’ muslims than gays.

25. Ok, looks like things could be setting up for a doozy of a fight between this crowd and the Pink Pistols. Gonna grab a brewski, sit on the couch and watch this one play out. But seriously, this is a prime example of political correctness and feel good taking priority over physical protection. Right here, for everyone to watch.

    • Also how the majority are idiot sheep and only a minority of the populace actually have awareness and reasoning beyond their emotions.

      Why did PC culture have to come to be?

      • “Why did PC culture have to come to be?”

        I mentioned this earlier in the thread, but I’ll summarize here. I don’t remember who said this (that I heard it from)…might even have been someone on this site.

        But, there is one hypothesis that Political Correctness was born out of the realization by old school Communists that they would never be able to control the narratives of public discourse in the United States through laws due to our First Amendment.

        Therefore, they crafted “social punishment” for unacceptable speech and used that as an end-run around the Bill of Rights. It’s not just Freedom of Speech, but also Privacy (cf Gawker) and Due Process (any rape or child molestation accusation that tried in the ‘court of public opinion’ long before evidence is presented or a fair trial granted).

        This “solution” by enemies of the Constitution has been very effective. They DO control the narratives, for example.

26. “[A]n unlicensed seller.” AKA a private owner who decides to sell a thing.

    Before too long you will need a “license” to be allowed to be alive at all.

    • I thought in China the term “birth certificate” already meant that a couple has a state issued license to give birth.

27. Sometimes it’s hard to tell who your enemies are, sometimes they dress up in rainbow patterns and march in parades, and express it openly. Sometimes, they vote (D) but both are liberal_progressive_communist.

28. The LGBT community should start bracing for a re-imagination of “intolerance.”

    Once you get a load of Sharia law, up close and personal, at about 3,200 feet per second, that whole “No cake for you!” thing starts to seem quaint.

29. ” For example, under current law, people convicted of violent hate crimes can legally buy and possess guns. This is unacceptable.”

    In principle this is fine. In practice… The trouble is the broad, blank-check definition of Hate Crime can be extended to anything. Limiting it to violent ones is a step in the right direction, but this is still far too broad to be used to deny constitutional rights. Also if someone is too dangerous to own a gun, why aren’t they still locked up?

    “Assault-style weapons, like the Sig Sauer MCX rifle used in Sunday’s Pulse nightclub shooting, can be purchased legally in the state of Florida without a background check – as long as the purchase is made from an unlicensed seller.”

    The MCX used in Orlando however was purchased with a background check. What’s your point? Has there been a single rifle used in a mass-casualty event in the last 30 years that was legally acquired through an unregulated private transaction? Signs point to no.

    “Eighteen states have already taken steps to close this dangerous “unlicensed sale loophole.” ”

    One of them had a couple of attacks just recently. California has eliminated this ‘loophole’, yet the shooters had no trouble with simply breaking the law. Another is Illinois, the home of Chicago. You can see how well it works there, and how much respect killers there have for the law.

    “Under current U.S. federal law, people on terror watch lists can legally buy guns, exploiting this “terror gap.” ”

    And the Orlando shooter was not on a watch list, not on a no-fly list, and was an employee of a private security company contracted by the US government.

    “Americans are 25 times more likely than people in other developed countries to fall victim to a gun homicide.”

    Define ‘developed country’. Mexico is a developed country. Brazil is a developed country. South Africa is a developed country. I don’t think anyone will argue that Russia isn’t a developed country.

    “The federal background check system established in 1994 by the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act has blocked more than 2.6 million gun sales to prohibited purchasers at licensed dealers; however, an estimated 40% of gun sales across the U.S. take place without a background check, primarily at gun shows and online.”

    How many of those 2.6 million were false positives? How many were charged with the federal crime of attempting to purchase a firearm as a prohibited person? How many were convicted? Then you trot out the 40% number, gleaned from a tiny phone survey that took place before the Brady background checks were implemented. States that have recently passed UBC laws have seen only a slight statistical increase in background checks as a result, something around 5%, which is a whole lot less than 40%. So either your 40% number is wildly incorrect, or there’s a lot of people breaking the law and not being prosecuted.

30. The LGBT “COMMUNITY” may be all for gun control and civil disarmament. But let’s be clear, the Second Amendment empowers all citizens equally; gay or straight alike. Individuals, regardless of their sexual orientations, are totally free to disregard “LBGT group think”. Individuals can choose for themselves to take matters into their own hands to protect themselves. Hence the emergence of gun groups within the broader LGBT community like the pink pistols.

    To those LGBT individuals who rightly feel they’re targeted I say CHOOSE. Either choose to be a passive disarmed victim. Or choose to take control of your own safety. Regardless of your choice, you’ll still be a target. The POWER of choice comes from have the means, training and willingness to shoot back. To steal a phrase, “LGBT power, like all political power grows out of the barrel of a gun”

    Choose your favorite pistol style and caliber and Gun Up. Stop being a disarmed victim.
    Respectfully
    Senior Gun Owner 1950

31. Nice of them to put themselves on a list.

    Can we arrest the lot for treason for violation of the US Constitution and for advocating new laws that would threaten national security?

32. Big Gay, like the rest of the Progressive community, is suffering from cognitive dissonance and has redirected their anger to Christians, conservatives and guns. They make themselves believe “if only we disarm those extremist Christian bigots and force North Caroline to let men who wear dresses use the women’s locker room Muslims would embrace the gay lifestyle..” Big Gay created a group called “Queers for Palestine” so they can have contingent in that Progressive hobby horse. There was a march in London where the Muslims told QFP to go away and they complied with a smile. Folks, you can’t fix stupid.

33. [Help] Divide, and get conquered.

34. Can the Pink Pistols protect us from non-thinking/ill-informed/stupid/working for the other side, LGBT community?

    They want our help fixing “our” problem, which is really (mostly a lib problem).

35. Can’t help someone who wants to be a victim.

36. Do these people really want the whole country to see gays as a threat to their civil rights?

    • You have to understand. They are the only ones who have civil rights. The rest of us exist to serve their agenda of perversion and filth.

      • For buggerist fundamentalists, it is buggery uber alles.

37. They got this much good sense in there:

    “But we also recognize how this screening mechanism has the dangerous potential to profile specific communities on the basis of their actual or perceived race, religion, national origin, and other attributes.”

    They should look at that and think about what all the power they want to hand the government could be used for if the theocrats among the religious right ever get hold of power: do they really want to hand government an authority that could be used against them?

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