A press conference just wrapped up in California where the Democrats (who have an overwhelming majority in the state) unveiled their latest gun control agenda. And since the Democratic majority is so strong, these aren’t proposals — it’s a preview of things to come. According to one person who was watching the press conference, the following new restrictions on personal liberties will be coming to the most “liberal” state in the union . . .

Thanks to Reddit:

  • Possession of hollow point bullets and similar assault bullets a felony.
  • Must register and report ammo purchases. Only purchase max 500 rounds.
  • 10 round magazine limit
  • ALL magazines must be fixed to the gun (can not be removed without the use of a tool)
  • 100% prohibition of all magazines greater than 10 rounds. All previous grandfathered magazines become illegal. Felony if you keep one.
  • Changing definition of shotgun revolving cylinder — Basically only single shot shotguns will remain legal.
  • Bullet Buttons will become illegal — All AR and AK style rifles that are currently equipped with them will be designated Assault Weapons. Felony to possess.
  • All gun owners now must be licensed like drivers.
  • All gun owners must carry gun liability insurance

This is the first time we’ve seen a state try to enact this kind of ammunition posession legislation. Maryland is trying to set up a minimum age for ANYONE to purchase ammo, but California is going leaps and bounds beyond that. From Yahoo! news:

Like New York, California also would require background checks for buying ammunition and would add to the list of prohibited weapons.

Those buying ammunition would have to pay a fee and undergo an initial background check by the state Department of Justice, similar to what is required now before buyers can purchase a weapon. Subsequent background checks would be done instantly by an ammunition seller checking the Justice Department’s records.

And what did the senators have to say about the pending legislation? From the presser:

“We respect the Second Amendment right of law abiding citizens to have guns for hunting, for sport, for protecting their homes and families. But loopholes in California’s tough gun laws have been exploited long enough,” said Senate President pro Tempore Darrell Steinberg. “We can save lives by curbing the proliferation of guns designed to be fired and reloaded rapidly. We can save lives by getting guns and ammunition out of the hands of the wrong people. We can save lives if every gun owner knows how to safely handle those guns. And if we can save lives, we must act to do so.”

So basically California is about to try and implement every single gun control measure on the Democrats’ wish list, with the exception of full confiscation. And thanks to the government of California, there’s just about nothing that can be done to stop it short of legal action. Or armed insurrection.

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  1. Nick ya beat me to it, I was stuck on a call with the firearms policy coalition! Thanks for posting!!

      • Nick I will let you know as soon as I hear anything.
        I have reached out to the GOA, CalGuns, just about everyone.

        If the majority of this garbage passes I will be moving. My wife is going to be pissed, but I am not registering or turning in jack squat! I have a feeling like New York there will be thousands who will not comply. G-d forbid they decide to go and get em.. We have militias here and they will not go quietly.

        Texas or Nevada, anywhere but here! Texas might win out though so I will be moving with RF and we can all hang out with Nick while he shoots for FNH! 🙂

        • “..retired in Colorado.”
          Umm…in case you’ve not noticed, you may’ve escaped from CA but CO hasn’t. Hope you didn’t completely unpack, may be move time again soon.

        • all i have to say is where i live u can get a cc with a state background check and approx $75, then for another approx $150 u can get a utah license which then makes u legal for a cc in 36 of 50 states and DC. btw i live in SC

      • Califonians , Remember This, The Cal Supream Court Ruled on Prop 8 that “NO LAW CAN BE MADE THAT IS RETROACTIVE” This still stands as The Law Of The Land, I am not a Lawyer but common sence says that this also means that “NO LAW CAN BE ENFORCED THAT IS RETROACTIVE” Lets see The NAZI BASTERDS get around this one. SEMPER FI

        • Impeach them all…bastards….we’re getting way to liberal heavy…Liberalism is a mental disease and must be eradicated

    • Does this mean you’ll finally join us in Texas Sanchanim? I’ve been inviting you for close to two years now!

      • Fight now. Move later, if necessary.

        Defeatist “might as well give up now” comments when the other side has just declared war are cowardice in the face of the enemy.

        If you live in California, don’t take the coward’s route espoused by Hal and others. Dig in your heels, dig deep in your pockets, and sharpen your poison pens.

        It’s time to FIGHT, not FLEE.

        • Whoa dude, coward’s route? Really? I am ALL about fighting this. However, for those who don’t appreciate being trampled by statists, one of the BEST tools of civil disobediance is to strangle the leviathan of its funding. The only way to do that is to move and never visit. Don’t give a dime to them and if you can help it to companies that are base out of there.

          We all want to see this defeated. We are on the same side.

        • Hal, I was criticizing the message, not the messenger.

          If people want to leave if and when some version of these laws get passed, then I respect that. I’ll be staying behind to fight behind enemy lines, but I will respect it.

          If the people who care the most about 2A rights leave now, though, then we’re fscked in the @ss with a running chainsaw. Rights issues are decided by the most vocal 1-2% of those on each side, and if we lose our most vociferous 1% in CA we. are. toast.

          • Its the bits that will that should worry you. You don’t want this to be the AWB testcase. The legislative “fact finding” will be terrible and the Court may be tempted to “split the baby” by striking down the really bad stuff but letting only the pretty bad stuff stand…blessed as 2A approved.

        • OK, I know this is really hard for some of you to understand, but anti-gun states like California and New York have overwhelming majorities in both houses on the anti-gun side. No matter how much you scream, threaten, donate, you WILL NOT stop these laws from passing. By moving to a free state you A) get your rights back and B) change the population count. B is very important in the long term, because the more people flee the anti-gun states for free states, the more you swing the House of Representatives in our favor which means that no anti-gun legislation would ever get through at the national level.

        • I live in the Seattle area. Libtard yes, but (so far) not bad anti-gunner wise. All good citizens of Kali, hell, everyone who loves liberty in the US and around the world must fight this evil pestilence by ANY MEANS necessary. Yup, even armed insurrection. If the psycho laws pass and they start going door to door and citizens start getting killed fighting for their freedom, it will be time to either go ‘lone wolf’ or use small groups to employ asymetrical/guerrilla warfare. Think ‘offensive’, and dont be stupid if they come to your door because the jig would be up and you would only be a martyr.
          Remember, this only starts when doors start to be kicked in and patriots murdered. It still does not need to come to that at this point. God, a bunch of Sanfran sicko freaks running Kali….its like the apocalypse or something.

        • I also normally say “stay and fight it” but perhaps there is something to be said for joining a state that agrees with your persuasion more than the current one. If nothing else, it may help bolster or consolidate the new/gaining state’s position some.

          In other words, California is (and has been for some time) a lost cause. Like a good business that won’t throw good money after bad, perhaps it is in fact time for the “people of the gun” to put their money where their mouth is, and rebuild somewhere else.

        • The first salvo shouldn’t be lead, it should be green.

          We live in a highly complex and vulnerable society these days and bank runs would accomplish more to alert the power elite that we the people still hold power in this country.

          If you really want to fight, start a massive bank run where all gun owners convert thier savings to gold/silver, the shift in balance sheets will cause a crisis that will dwarf the 2008 crisis and the government will either back down or clamp down.

          The clamp down will show as tyranny to many

        • Fleeing is a very effective form of fighting, and takes more courage than to simply stay and write letters. The state cannot exist without productive citizens to support the ever growing state bureacracy and welfare programs. I’m confident that those who would consider leaving are those who are net contributors to the state coffers.

        • “Remember, this only starts when doors start to be kicked in and patriots murdered.”

          Not at all. Before any shooting or killings happen people need to move the hell out of those states. Why stay and risk blood being spilled for a lib majority that would view your death as nothing more than a convenient statistic? It’s coming to the point that these states need to lose patriot taxpayers.

          I’m an unapologetic broken record on this site about Arizona. We scored the lowest brady rating in the nation. We have constitutional carry, open carry and the outnumbered libs here are pissing in the wind trying to curb our gun rights. What I find very satisfying is that out of any state we’ve been the biggest thorn in the side of the DOJ. The feds hate us and they’ve repeatedly taken us to court for it.

          Like the cold and snow? Try northern Arizona. Like the warm and all the convenience of a big city? Try metro Phoenix.

    • So how did all those Democrats get in office anyway? Its time for people to get out and campaign to get are whole country back. Its time to seal off the bordered and get rid of people who are Democratic voters. Why do you think this —- in the white house wants immigration amnesty. I can only hope the government officials don’t have weapons to protect themselves if someone from California decides to be an intruder. That would be terrible.

      • Alot of morons voted for these libtards. They were nieve in thinking ‘kid kenyan’ would not monkey with their liberty.
        Lesson (hopefully) learned? We shall see in the next election cycle.

    • Please (politely) email Sen. Steinberg to let him know of your feelings on the matter.

      His email is [email protected]

      I plan to indicate that I will not be accepting any job offers there, that I will not feel safe without the ability to defend myself and my family, and that I am disappointed that they do not seem to hold our Bill of Rights in high regard. Please email him to express your feelings on the matter, this is important!

      • I did what you said and sent a note to Mr. Steinberg. Here is what it says. Polite enough, I think.

        And how is a 63 year old widow on SS supposed to afford “liability insurance” on her (so far) legal revolver? Do you have any idea of the resistance that is mounting out here? You are looking at one of 2 possible results. Either mass gun right folks getting out of here, most of which actually pay taxes or an armed insurrection. This is just flat wrong. You best think twice and three times before passing this massive anti second amendment legislation. Maybe the idiots of this state voted you all in, but even many of them will not put up with this kind of unconstitutionality.

        I normally put my name here but I think under these circumstances, I’d rather not. Just know I am an Alameda County resident since birth and would prefer to remain one. But, you’re making it awfully difficult to do so.

      • This just makes me sick. I just now got an email telling me my email to Senator Steinberg was undeliverable. Mail Daemon. In other words, it bounced. Damn.

    • Why does it seem that legislators who rush to pass emotional bills, always forget things as simple as “No ex post facto laws”? You can not make something illegal, that was legal before the law passed. But logic has never stopped liberals or rinos before, why would it now?

      • They pass them because they are emotional. Very few rinos can swallow this commie libtard poop, but I suppose they are out there.

      • Unfortunately that isn’t what “No Ex Post Facto” means. It means you can’t punish someone for doing something before it was illegal to do so. So in this case they can outlaw your gun (putting aside the 2A issues) but can’t charge you with possession for owning it before the law went into effect.

        • Brian, you can’t pass retroactive statutes which penalize the individual…in other words, you can’t pass a statute that makes what was an illegal trial, legal, after the trial has occurred…you can, however, pass retroactive statutes which penalize a state…like making something that was a crime, no longer a crime.

    • from my cold dead hands. it will take an army to rid me and militia of weapons. we will destroy anyone that comes in our way!

      • I don’t know for sure, but I heard a rumor that California is this magical land where unicorns shit gold bricks on your front porch every morning. Apparently no crime happens there, either! I can’t say for sure, though. Most of the people I know have never had the balls to go there in fear that it is not what they have heard and are afraid it will be more like a Nazi area.

    • To all violent criminals, California is the place to be. I suggest you move there. You’re life expectancy will be greater. You will find a high concentration of helpless victims. And no gun laws to get in your way!

      • This is exactly one of the reasons we left mexifornia after more than 40yrs – taxes too high, liberals too invasive, personal rights too low; everything Texas is not. We will live and die in Tx, but not at the hands of socialist govt drones or home intruding maggots, we are armed and ready to defend.

    • And yet, moronic Americans race to see how many can live in both of these wretched states. I think it’s time for most Americans to be removed from the country (by whatever means necessary) and we just start over.

      • I suppose you mean most Americans other than yourself should be removed “by whatever means necessary”? Utterly ridiculous!

      • Good, anyone who is less than one quarter Native American can pack their shit and go back to their home country.

  6. I would hope there are enough patriots left in Californistan to even make it a viable option… because after this, the option won’t be there next time.

    • I have lived in CA since 12/1/79 – within 2 weeks I knew this was a police state and now it is to the point of strangulation. You will be insulted if you voice your opinion – not everywhere, though. Only in the large metropolitan areas. I now live in a small community and they still have their liberals. However, getting your car keyed is down – impressive! There is a lot of voter fraud and mostly by illegals. Wonder why that is?

  9. “assault bullets?” REALLY?! REALLY?! WTF! I swear to f*cking god the left are the most manipulative group of f*ckholes in the known universe! FOAD Yee!

    • So… are all expanding bullets “assault” bullets, now?

      That’d suck for hunters even more than the lead-free requirement.

      I’m guessing that LEOs will be exempted from the bullet bans. Or they might Cuomo it up, which would be quite funny. And tragic.

      • LEO’s can get stuff the civilians can only dream of! No offense to Accr81.
        I pray Accr81 will never be asked to go and take some law abiding citizens guns or magazines. I know many who will fight to keep them..

        • Why, thats got to be a great career choice, going to the Hells Angels clubhouses to get weapons, Randy

      • Who knows. That’s the sh1tty thing about minting catchy new tyranny lingo; you get to define it yourself. My guess is that anything tipped, bonded or pointed will be out. FMJ only. Can we just give CA to MX already? I am sick and tired of their shenanigans. They’re out of the union!

        • But wait there’s more! A San Francisco supervisor wants to ban “military” rounds too! (Of course, she probably has no clue that this means FMJ gets banned with hollow points–or worse, maybe she does.) And then some smart ass will say that since soft lead bullets pancake, they are expanding rounds too–leaving us with nothing. That would be fine, though, sine there is no way in hell that this would pass constitutional muster. Something about an “operable” firearm….

    • Pretty soon we’ll hear them talking about “assault sights” and “assault trigger guards”.

      • No joke. I am really waiting for the day when statist pigs start chirping “red dot cop killer sights,” “fast assault optics” and “no one needs to acquire a sight picture that fast” or “no one needs more than 3x magnification…”

        You wait. That sh1t is coming. Just like the current calls to ban body armor. There is no such thing as rock bottom in this situation.

        • That’s just it; to them there is no rock bottom. They will make us “compromise” again and again until there are no privately held arms left. Then they will exterminate their opposition. Then when that is complete, they will enslave their base. There is no rock bottom for the statist as these are all wins for them. They will continue to live in the lap of luxury.

  11. I hope our western brothers are able to successfully fight these. Or get out of the Republik of Kalifornia (Maybe y’all could catch a ride with Creedmoor and make it to Dixie).

  12. Wow, so anyone actually protecting their home with a 10-round magazine will have to use FMJs instead of hollow points…. Don’t think they thought that one through.

    Or maybe they did. Because shooting an FMJ at an intruder would rip right through them into the next house causing damage and possible unintentional bodily harm. This would drive the cost of “gun liability insurance” through the roof. Bam, open wound, apply economic pressure.

  13. “Possession of hollow point bullets and similar assault bullets a felony.

    100% prohibition of all magazines greater than 10 rounds. All previous grandfathered magazines become illegal. Felony if you keep one.”

    This perfectly illustrates why I am against all background checks. ANYTHING CAN BE CALLED A FELONY.

    I want background checks to be declared unconstitutional so that people in CA can just flick their noses at such stupid laws.

    Felony for possession of a 15 round mag is a joke. A Felony should be strictly limited to violent crimes.

    To label minor law infractions as felonies seriously undermines the seriousness of a felony conviction.

    • The sad thing is that CA can’t even keep their criminals in prison for full terms due to severe overcrowding. They all get released early, violent or otherwise. However, I have no doubt that the statist pigs will ensure that anyone busted for violating these particualr “laws” will serve out their entire sentences to the day. They will be kept purely as political prisoners while violent recidivistic monsters will be unleashed straight back into a freshly disarmed population. Have fun with that CA. Just one more reason why I refuse to go there.

    • If it’s capable of exiting a barrel, it’s an ASSAULT BULLET. Only stay-at-home, fuzzy bullets need apply.

    • Simmilar bullets? What constitutes as similar? Soft points, FMG, Tracers? Mine balls, rocket balls, musket balls?

  14. Is this verified? NY was draconian, this makes NY look like a mecca for gun lovers by comparison…

    • Nobody listened to AJ. I kept saying – the fed bill may be almost dead, but the REAL threat was at the state level. To those that ignored me, here comes the piper. Sure, probably all of that BS will be ruled unconsitutional. In a few YEARS. Meanwhile, you, me, and a bunch of other gun owners will be catching felony cases and losing our gun rights FOR LIFE while the fight goes on.

  15. A) Like SHTFPlan suggests for New York, time to vote with your feet. California is a lost cause to Freedom and Liberty.

    Then again, these proposals are a defacto gun ban for 99.9999% of the guns out there. I suggest this violates the 2nd Amendment and makes it unconstitutional.

    • Also surrounded by armed police is a nice way of emphasizing that he will always have the protections that he would deny to others. I hope he gets hit by a bus.

  18. Wow, just wow. The word draconian comes to mind. I certainly hope you guys in CA can get some kind of action going to deal with these insane “proposals”. It’s a shame really. I love Cali, it’s absolutely beautiful but the inmates are running the asylum there.

  19. I would be absolutely stunned if they were able to pass legislation banning anything but a single shot shotgun

    • That one doesn’t smell right to me. I’m holding back on the shotgun question until there’s clarification, as the whole “single shot only” thing doesn’t sound plausible.

      • There’s not a chance in hell CA’s going to outlaw Perazzi shotguns. They’re in Brentwood, Belvedere, Pacific Heights. Perhaps they’d ban a two-shot pump gun though. I only know SD and SF, and have lots of family in those two. CA is truly the home of lust for the easy buck, gambling, star worship, and the idea that having a cheap gardening crew and vegetable pickers in the short term is worth giving away the state in the long term. WWII made Cali. That run’s ending. The economic and education divide is going to break it. It’s still a beautiful and hip place if you’ve got the money to move out, which is a paradox.

    • In California handguns are banned and so are modern rifles.

      They have a list of handguns that are allowed to be sold. This list requires gun makers to give an extortion fee every time the list expires. No unsafe handgun is allowed in California.

      Modern rifles, such as an AR-15, are banned. The only way people are allowed to own them is following the law to the letter. Which is why the “bullet button” was invented. Otherwise they are all banned. There is a list of banned rifles, which would have been expanded every time a new rifle came out if they didn’t screw up, so only new non listed guns can be owned. Even a M1A would be illegal if it had a certain stock, like a Sage stock. The best firearm for a Californian to own is the M1A by the way.

      Carrying a firearm in public is essentially outlawed. They banned concealed carry and require a permission slip, which they do not give out to a commoner. Then they banned loaded open carry because of black people. Then they banned unloaded open carry because of white people. Well to be fair it wasn’t because of white and black people, it is because California is corrupt beyond repair.

      You pretty much cannot find a honest, smart, lawful politician in California from the city council all the way up to the top. Majority of the people in California are unintelligent hippies or corrupt “I got mine” gangsters. The minority are obviously true Americans.

      That minority have either decade long court battles (which they will lose) to fight while they live without their rights or armed revolution. So most just leave California because they cannot live decades without their rights and they do not want to sacrifice their life for a bunch of hippies and gangsters. It’s easier to just leave to Nevada. That leaves an ever shrinking minority.

      • By the way. If you didn’t notice. That means do not move to California, even if you get a “good” job offer. Stay away, far away. It’s expensive and dangerous.

        • California law requires AR/AK rifles to have “fixed” magazines, defined as magazines that require a tool to be removed. At first, only internal box magazines were allowed, but some bright gunsmith designed the “bullet button.” It fits in the same place as a mag release, but it cannot be operated by finger pressure; instead it must be pressed with some sort of tool–by desgin, the tip of a bullet. Think of it like a piston inside a cylinder. The cylinder wall prevents pushing the piston with your finger, but a small tool will do the trick. These are legal, but last year Senator Yee sought to ban them, along with “Ass”emblyman Portantino, becuase these buttons avoid the itent of the original law, which was to make reloading difficult and time consuming.

          As an aside, 20 and 30 round mags were outlawed as well, in 2000 I think, but old ones were grandfathered. Now they want to grab those too.

      • Illegal immigrants and union members stuff the ballot boxes. Add in single mothers, ghetto punks, college kids, and the large numbers of LGBT goons to the voting block, and you have a Communist dictatorship. Jerry Brown is a washed up liberal with a wacked history dating back to his days in the Newport Beach gay community, and he is a stooge for the unions and Hollywood sexual deviants. Lots of money there!

        • Are you going for some kind of record on how many offensive stereotypes you can stuff into one comment?

          I’m surprised you left out the racial slurs, that would have been the icing on the cake. C’mon, you can do it… really show us the true face of bigotry, hatred and xenophobia!

  20. 500 round max? What does that even mean?

    ASSAULT BULLETS? WHAT?

    WHAAAAT? My state (Massachusetts) is trying to pass dumb crap, but this trumps it.

      • My orders to leave MA came today. I’m happy that I will be able to own any gun I want, 30 round mags, collapsible stocks and online ammo sales once again. I hope I can finish my career away from the occupied states and in Texas. I think its time for Norcal to revisit the state of Jefferson.

      • Ralph, Utah still remains a great place to live. If you can stand having watered down beer (personally I don’t drink so not a problem) the skiing, hunting, fishing, etc. is great! And all of our LGSs have plenty of scary black rifles available, along with most calibers of ammo except .22LR. We also have the Utah Sheriff’s Association.

      • Best of luck to you. Went to grad school at UMass Amherst, Amherst is terrible, Northampton is worse. When I left it was as if some incredible weight had been lifted from my shoulders.

    • Bulk Walmart Federal .22 comes in 550 round boxes. This is probably the best cheap .22 ammo there is. Now Federal will have to decide if it’s economically viable to retool their packaging for communist california Walmarts.

      • I purchased a 550 box of Fed. bulk 22 ammo last year & had 3 duds.I go thru about 2500 rounds of 22lr a year, at least. Remington & winchester cost a bit more, but no duds.

  22. I was born in Long Beach but was raised in VA. Back in the 90s I thought about moving back to CA but now those dreams are gone thanks to their horrible gun laws and high taxes.

    • Well, if this bill passes, which is VERY likely because the Senate House is D majority, it will turn me into a felon. Thank you for reminding me that they have effective laws to catch law abiding citizen firearm owners like myself. Where do I line up to be tossed into the slammers? Cause you know, those pesky standard capacity magazines went out a few nights ago and cause a sh!t storm of hell. I didn’t find out till I was cleaning my firearms that they were even out of the house!!

  24. Makes my struggle in MN look rather tame, I must admit. So, we’ll work twice as hard. If memory serves, Kali started with simple registration of “assault weapons” several years ago…

  25. The good news: Much of this is unconstitutional under Heller.

    The bad news: by the time it gets that far Heller may not matter because of a change in the Court.

    These state-by-state restrictions are a serious threat to the health of the 2A movement. Good luck to the folks in CA, if you can’t pry some of the moderate Dems off of this your only hope is either federal preemption or the Court. Or moving.

      • It would indeed. And with the exception of Kozinski and a couple of others it is unlikely the 9th’s judges would greet the proposal or the legislature’s “findings of fact” with the proper amount of skepticism.

  26. When y’all are leaving Cali and NY, I hope you’ll consider a move to Ohio or one of the other swing states. We need your votes or it’ll be Hillary in 2016

    • I’m STRONGLY considering moving back to OH. It’s beautiful out here, but its pretty back there too and people in OH know how to actually mind their own damn business. Southern California has already become Northern Mexico, and its just gonna keep getting worse.

      • Yep, the Three C’s are Dem islands in an ocean of red. Outside of the major metro areas, it might as well be Texas. Lots of Open Carry and lots of pro-gun leos, particularly the Sheriffs. Hell, go to the staff page at TDI. Every damn one of em is or was a cop somewhere.

        • And very strong Castle Doctrine. “Attempting” to criminally force entry into an occupied space warrant lethal force. There was a shooting in Blacklick a few summers ago where the guy had opened the sliding screen door to an apartment and was in the process of opening the sliding glass door and the homeowner shot the goblin through the glass and was no billed.

  27. When the gun grabbers say that “We respect the Second Amendment right of law abiding citizens to have guns for hunting, for sport, for protecting their homes and families” and then turn around in teh same breath and propose this Bullsh*t, then it is obvious that they have no idea what the Second Amendment is all about.

    • “You think we’re just a bunch of featherbrains. But after you turn in your guns and assault bullets, THEN we turn the Mexicans loose on ya with chainsaws and machetes!”

    • We respect the Second Amendment right of law abiding citizens to have guns for hunting, for sport, for protecting their homes and families, but we’re still taking them away.

      Fixed it for ’em.

      • Yeah, that’s about right.

        I’m still waiting to find out if my off-the-shelf Weatherby 20ga shotgun is now an assault weapon.

  28. “EXAMPLE: The featureless Mini-14 rifle, which contributed to the deaths of 69 people in the 2011 Norway massacre. This rapid-reloading firearm is currently legal in California.”

    So if it killed someone in one incident thousands of miles away in another country it should be banned???

    • Exactly. Although at least he has a step-up on DiFi. She’s just a retard who thinks that scary features make an assault weapon. Yee recognizes that even a semi-auto that looks like a farmer’s gun is still dangerous so he wants to ban it. The mark of a *true* tyrant.

  30. Had to bail on that video. Not 1 proposal will do anything to eliminate crime. “If we could have saved 1 life…” We could have saved a lot of lives by not being as restrictive with cc permits to competent people. I do not believe for a minute that this is what Californian’s want. My question is who wants it and why? But that is becoming less and less of a mystery every day.

    • If by banning driving we save the (record low for 70 years) 2700-ish lives, then we have a responsibility to do so…

      • I came up with a better counter on the way home today.

        If you think your gun-control laws are worth infringing on the rights of 120 million gun owners for “safety”…

        Then you’re going to bar anyone who consumes alcohol from possession of a driver’s license, right?

  31. Someone would immediately file suit in the courts for a violation of 2nd Amendment. We should not stand for this tyranny. Its time for us to stand up in a big way.

    • I hope you are right about the lawsuit, of course the Court (because it would likely get to SCOTUS) would have to find for the 2A in a big way. A mixed decision where some of the stuff is struck down (like the hollow points) but other stuff upheld (detachable mags, 6 round limit etc.) would be REALLY bad and set bad binding precedent.

  32. This is unconscionable. I’m seething, and it’s all I can do to be productive at work right now.

    This is nothing less than a declaration of all-out war on 2A rights in California.

    Fine. So be it. They want the Armageddon showdown on 2A rights? They’re going to get it. It’s ON, motherfsckers!

    • There is a rally tomorrow at the capital. This should be interesting!
      Wes might go on for a 1 hour KSCO radio show. Stay tuned…
      I was speaking with Brandon Combs from the firearms Policy Coalition. Lots of interesting things going on.

      • If you can get a bunch of people on a Friday, great, but there’s no way I can make it. I’m working tomorrow and then I’ll be in Tahoe this weekend.

        Daniel, when you get a moment, drop me a note at SiliconValleyAlphaGeek at gmail dot com.

  33. So I set up at the first rest stop on I-10 eastbound in Arizona with a pocket full of cash and a “I buy guns” sign. Should be fun.

    • Actually, build a storage facility just on the other side of the state line and rent space to California gun owners to store their firearms, for cheap, and you can store a LOT of guns and such. Wouldnt need to be too large a building, then again it would need to be sturdy walls and good security, build a donut shop next to it!

      There is no law says you cant store your personal items in a secure location in another state!

      Then like any storage unit, that way when they fail to pay, you dont pay full price and start an auction or a used guns distribution center to licensed dealers to limit your exposure to liability and such.

      It would be no different than a gun club really!

      If I had the money and those laws get passed, I would be doing it myself.

  34. This is great news for people like me, who live in Oakland. I mean, both the mayor and the governor live within a mile of my house. So, if I experience a home invasion, I can run to their homes, and the hired security people will save me.

    I also really like the idea of a 1-round magazine. I’ll just carry 15 of them with me and learn to change them really really fast.

    • Considering this proposal says that all magazines must be fixed and removable only with tools, you might need a pneumatic jack hammer to change quickly.

      • I’m freaked out, too, but let’s apply a little reasoning here.

        The fixed-magazine thing will apply to rifles, not pistols. Bet your last $5 on that. They’re out to kill AR- and AK-class rifles dead, dead, dead in CA.

        • These guys aren’t only attacking the AR style weapons, the detachable magazine provision makes three of my bolt-action rifles illegal.

          I can hardly wait to be a felon. /sarc

        • Blake, you know what I meant. The point was that they’re after detachable magazines on rifles, especially AR/AK-class rifles, and that pistols will be regulated separately.

      • “ALL magazines must be fixed to the gun (can not be removed without the use of a tool)” ? How does that work? Oh, I get it – forced to have revolvers or sling shots.
        Well good luck with that!

  35. Nothing about designating NRA a terrorist organization whose members can be killed by drone strikes since capturing them is obviously problematic?

  36. Hope everyone in the Bloods and Crypts and MS13 are lining up early at buy back programs. They are all about to become felons

    • They’re not proposing buy backs (which would also be unacceptable), they’re talking outright confiscation.
      Hitler did the same thing … All weapons shall be forfeit to the state without compensation.

  38. Can someone please name all the f**k-tards in the video. I want to send them all an email expressing my displeasure for their disrespect of the Constitution … and question their manhood. .

    • Hello Joe,
      As a CA resident, thank you for the letter to the senate. Here are the authors of the bill.
      The ten legislative actions are contained in bills being authored by Senator Steinberg (D-Sacramento), Senator Marty Block (D-San Diego), Senator Kevin de León (D-Los Angeles), Senator and Chair of the Public Safety Committee Loni Hancock (D-Berkeley), Senator Hannah-Beth Jackson (D-Santa Barbara), Senator Mark Leno (D-San Francisco), and Senator Leland Yee (D-San Francisco).

  39. Well, we knew it would be bad. We knew it would be ugly. Be prepared to see a whole more stores pull a Creedmoor and get the hell out.
    Kinda sad knowing I’ll never set foot in CA again. Lots of great memories.

      • I wonder if Surefire will join them. Between taxes and the state hating basically everything they stand for (suppressors, flash hiders, tacticool lights and gadets, high-high cap mags, etc)when will enough be enough for them?

        I would really respect them more if they moved. They should have done that a long time ago. We’d love to have them in TX. Just sayin.’ You can move in right next to Larue.

      • LOL, 95 drunk Marines having a Hawaian pig roast on the beach and lots of beer, the Pacific turned kinda yellow that night!

  40. Thank God I didn’t accept that Systems Engineer job in California last year. The higher pay and ability to play with all the latest hardware and 2012 software (GPO, Active Directory, MDOP, and SCCM) was tempting, but my freedom is more important to me. I really feel bad for all the pro 2A people in that state.

    • Leo, SCCM works well for pushing out software. In some ways, SCCM is better for pushing software than GPO’s. For system refresh, SCCM leaves a little to be desired.

      For system imaging and capturing and deploying custom images, MDT is the way to go. MDT also has the capability to install software during image deployment.

      • MDT is great, in my old job we went it from Ghost, but you can do everything in SCCM that you can do with MDT. SCCM actually has more options since you can do Zero touch deployments. The great thing is you can basically import all your task sequences from MDT over to SCCM. The one great thing about MDT is it’s free. A lot of people rave about Altiris but I still prefer SCCM over it.

      • Yea the US taxpayers will get the check when Obama gives the state a huge stimulus package and a “Thank you for accomplishing what I cant” card

  43. All they are doing is criminalizing the people that are good and ignoring the real criminals that would actually harm other people. They are also infringing upon every ones freedom and they have been doing so for a very long time, and I think it’s about time they stop.

    • real criminals fight back. Honest people with paper work mistakes will be so terrified at the thought of being locked up for years, that they’ll just give in and admit to anything in hopes of staying out of jail.

  44. In the race to the bottom….the bottom has been found. Well at least for today.

    Just have to insert “free speech” where the word gun is used and you can see where CA is eventually headed. Maybe the CA Gov’t can drive over some Chinese folks in Anaheim with a tank to really set the mood proper.

  45. The one and only upside I see to this is that this will and should throw the fear of God into folks in swing states who may have been thinking the concern was overblown. Hopefully this helps in the state elections this year and the federal ones in 2014.

    • Those armed citizens who cannot afford to flee will depend on the courage of LEOs like yourself bud. You and those like you are all that is left of a State Government who lost its way a long time ago. I commend your stand to not enforce this doom. From one career LEO to another, keep the faith my friend.

      • I’m not casting any aspersions, but I wonder what LEO types will do when your commanding officers say, “Enforce this law or you lose your pension.” If I had 15 years on the job in, I’d be loathe to piss it away.”

  47. Reportedly, California currently has over 15,000 individuals they KNOW should not have a gun (felons, etc..), and do not have the manpower to confiscate them. The state will be bankrupt before any of this transpires.

    • All true, but still — if I was going to take a felony collar, it wouldn’t be for something passive like possession of a magazine.

      The great thing about being old is that the squib loads that are running our government can’t scare me anymore with their crazy laws and fascist plots. It’s the same reason that I pay for my NRA membership by the year and not for life.

    • They don’t need to do 15,000 SWAT-style home invasions. They take a small number of productive, law-abiding gun owners and make public examples of them.

      Possible scenarios:
      People start using guns to ward off paroled ARMED home invaders. The homeowners are arrested and jailed for the use of illegal ammo/gun. Bail is set at a ridiculous amount. The police chiefs hold a press conference for the SF, LA, Oakland, Sacto and SJ news outlets. The dolts in the media will dutifully parrot the talking points of the crooked cops, detailing the arrest of “antigovernment hate groups with an arsenal of assault weapons and a cache of deadly ammunition, with allegations of child abuse and racist literature”. The typical drugged up viewers will smirk and applaud the brave protectors.

      The homeowner is put into a dangerous jail with viscious gang bangers (Santa Rita, Stockton, Oakland, SF, Modesto, Fresno). If he/she survives the cellmates, and has only broken ribs and missing teeth, there is a likelyhood the poor homeowner will plead no contest, forfeit the guns, mortgage the house to hire a lazy defense attorney, and be grateful for 5 years probation. Those jails are modern day torture facilities that provide amusement for prison guards and the other personnel. And they can be used to scare and cower a law-abiding citizen, with no experience in the criminal world.

      So when someone tells us to stay in Kali and fight, I say, LEAD BY EXAMPLE. Lose your job, house, freedom, life savings and front teeth–attack the windmills!

      • I’m in great shape and I’m reasonably competent in both armed and unarmed combat, but I prefer vicious attack lawyers, thank you very much.

        If the day comes that I am detained for questioning, or arrested, my vicious attack lawyer and my backup attack lawyer will both know about it before they get me to the police station. Possibly before I leave my house.

        • If your lawyers use more than 30 words in their arguments in court then they would be branded assault lawyers and subsequently banned and melted.

  48. Didn’t the courts already shoot down ammo registration and thumb printing to buy ammo?

    I don’t think anyone would go along with these rules. But the powers that be know that. They don’t want you to go along, they want conflict to justify their monopoly on force. The entire ‘homeland security’ apparatus has already been pivoted to focus on patriots and veterans, not ‘al-CIAda’.

  49. Comments and ratings have been disabled for the video. Apparently any sort of feedback isn’t their thing. I may have to accelerate my plans to leave this state.

  51. ……….

    ………I have but ONE…ONE simple question amidst so much legislative stupidity/malice…..

    …..*WHY* would ten round magazines still be legal to possess if no firearm could accept them?

    (Yes, I’m aware of internal, fixed magazines, such as in bolt-actions or those god-awful abominations of AR-15s that require field stripping to reload, the law as given doesn’t say anything about regular removable ten round magazines)

  52. I think Doug Casey is right…Most gun owners are law abiding nationalists and will turn their guns in just like they have in every other Tax Farm, errr, Country. The ones who don’t will be slaughtered by the political terrorists.

  53. By “and other assault bullets” I’m assuming they mean any fragmenting or deforming ammunition. I’m not familiar with California’s hunting laws but I know a lot of states ban the use of non expanding ammunition for hunting, so won’t this effectively kill most hunting rights too?

  54. Four points:

    1) If you take all of those laws together it becomes obvious that they want law abiding citizens to be armed with 19th century technology. All 20th and 21st advances in firearms are banned.

    2) Their fatal mistake is that criminals don’t give a hoot in hell about such laws and will continue to use the latest and the greatest. Advanced firearms will flow into the state like fuel through the Apollo rockets.

    3) The law will pass, then it will go to the SCOTUS, In the meantime, the criminals in California will make Detroit look like Disneyland.

    4) Just saw a brand new Mercedes s500 with California plates all the way out here on the east coast with vanity ones that spelled “FLEE CA”

    Stupid is as stupid does….

    • If this passes, and chances are it will, I imagine it will open up a whole new black market in CA. California citizens actually may have more options available to them when purchasing a firearm. The democrats refusal to protect our border or enforce immigration laws just may come back to bite them in the ass. The irony in that would be oh so sweet.

      • Maybe everyone out in Kalifornia can buy back some of those ARs and AKs our govt. sold to the cartels.

  55. This is out of control here in CA. How much fail can one state have? Tanked economy because of their way of harassing business owners, insane taxes and fees for everything ($600 to register my car for one year!), abuse of the middle class and horrible gun laws about to get worse? Well, great social programs for those that don’t like to work but like having lots of babies.

  56. It appears that 8-10 states are tripping over each other to pass the most restrictive anti 2A bills that they can get away with…there truly is a huge divide between the blue & red state legislatures…

  57. Just remember if you vote for any Democrat this is what you are voting for. They hide behind a facade that they support the second amendment but they would repeal the 2nd and take every gun in this country, by force if necessary, if they enjoyed the majority federally that they do in the rogue states of NY and CA. I don’t care if you send in a IAGO pic or how many guns you own, if you cast a single vote for the Democratic party at this point you are a traitor to the Constitution of the US and are party to violating the natural rights of your fellow countrymen. There is no middle ground.

    • I disagree and think this line of thinking is dangerous to the future of gun rights. We need to get people beyond the idea that the 2A is a “conservative” thing. Lots of people who could support us have “liberal” views on other topics, and if they aren’t “gun people”, if that isn’t one of their top issues, they aren’t going to put the 2A above the other things (gay rights, environmentalism, unions, whatever) that they care passionately about. The thing is, there is no inherent conflict between those things and the 2A.

      There is no reason the 2A needs to be tied to the GOP or the DEMS, and making middle of the road people, people we NEED, choose is recipe for marginalization and failure. What we need is elected officials of both parties who believe in the 2A and know that failing to protect it will cost them needed votes in their primary as well as the general election. We only get this if people sympathetic to the 2A are in both parties .

      • Ok lets all vote Democrat and see what happens so you can feel all warm and fuzzy. Sorry dems the facts, you don’t like it blame the Democrats or start a liberal party that actually loves this country the way it was intended.

        To think that the Democratic party can rule in this country and our natural gun rights will be protected goes beyond naivety into pure ignorance. The Dems hate guns, more specifically they don’t believe that a free society is possible. We cant handle the responsibilty of owning a gun, getting a job, handling our own healthcare, choose our own soft drinks etc etc. The only way our society will work is if the government runs every facet of our daily lives. That is the ideology of the Democratic party, there is no room (or need) for private gun ownership in their utopian fantasy society.

        • Ok, well kiss it all good by then because Democrats are going to win elections in this country. Maybe we shouldn’t demonize entire swaths of people unnecessarily, after all, we will need their support. And if gun rights are the issue I will take a Dem from Alaska or Louisiana over a Republican from California or Massachusetts anyway.

        • You wont have to kiss anything goodbye, dont worry the federal government will take gooood care of you. 😉

          Bad news my man the country hasnt been this partisan and polarized since the Civil War. Both parties stick to the party lines when the people that run the parties tell them too. The supposed 2A Democrats were quick to make that clear after Sandy Hook. To think that those guys listen to theirconstituents over their party leaders is once again naive. 2 party democracy has failed, as much as I hate both parties the time has come to pick a side until a 3rd party has emerged we have no other responsible choice.

          • Right, which explains why the AWB is the focal point of the Senate’s agenda right now. Oh wait…no.

            America is really partisan right now, but that isn’t all about gun issues, and there are quite a few people on the Dem side who are or could become pro-2A, but not if we demonize them for their other political preferences.

        • The AWB isnt the focal point of the Senate because they dont have an overwhelming majority and because there is no reason to risk more backlash from the public when nothing is getting past the House anyway.

          If they owned both Houses it would have already passed. How can you be so blind to their intentions when every single Dem state is passing these measures as we speak. You think federal Dems and state Dems are that different? You need to stop getting all your info from the nightly news and Obama press conferences. Rule 1, dont believe a parties words, believe their actions.

          • Yes, their actions, like Dems from gun friendly states slow-rolling gun control measures. The parties are not monolithic blocks and respond to their constituents. If voters who identify as Dem but are also pro-2A make it know that their support in the party primary and general election are conditioned on being pro-2A then the elected official will be pro-2A.

            CA and NY are hard left states, most of the GOP in the NY Senate voted for the SAFE act as well, remember? You can’t compare those parties with their analogs in other states.

        • Look, If you support the Democrats then you support the Nanny State. In the Nanny State the Government has complete control over your life. There is no such thing as cafeteria liberalism. It’s an all or nothing deal. Modern Liberalism is a form of totalitarianism — “everything for the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state”

          This isn’t 1965. You can no longer be a Democrat and be a Second Amendment supporter. I am sorry that is just the way it is. Make your choice. And if you are a gun owning Democrat who is going to vote for the same Fascist kleptocrats who run New York, California, Illinois Maryland et al, stay the hell out of Virginia.

          • You know the “I am a Gun Owner” feature that is running? You know how it was started to show that gun owners aren’t just white men? Statistically the non-white non-men are more likely to identify as “liberal”. Do you want to piss them off? Alienate them? Lose access to influencing their friends and family? I don’t, because I want to keep the 2A protected.

            2A issues are one component of the whole bundle of issues we have to deal with, I am not inclined to needlessly make any enemies or forgo any friends because of the other stuff.

            And I’m already in Virginia, so howdy neighbor.

        • I don’t think you and they don’t get it. Unless you are a member of the nomenklatura you don’t get to have an opinion. As a Democrat, your only role is to cast a vote to keep the Party in power. Get a clue, the Party doesn’t care what think of the Second Amendment. They want to shut up and hand over your means of self preservation as they unleash criminals on you.

        • The dems hate how the guns are going to be used. & I agree with you in spite of my MISTAKE. There was only one way to stop the BS in Wisconsin & that was to get dem/asshole/doyle, out, Randy

          • Yep, I was working off a bad list. The Republicans were 11-18 against the SAFE act. Sorry about that.

            It should be noted however that you had 11 defections from the GOP, especially from Long Island, which goes to show two things:

            1. In NY at least some GOP think they can survive reelection while being very much anti-2A because their base is less supportive of the 2A then the party base in general (not necessarily hostile, just don’t care).

            2. As demographics change the type of voter the pro-2A movement is going to have to appeal to is going to change. Traditional “conservative” voters may not be enough.

  58. When this all started, I posted at Sebastian’s blog that the states is where these people would attack our rights. They would not be able to get this stuff through the Senate, much less the House, but i never imagined they would go this far. Worse than what New York did. And with a super majority of hardcore leftist in control, this sadly may be a done deal.

  59. I hope everyone in California can get on it and fight this. Sadly, even though there are many Pro-2A individuals there, this will likely get rammed though. Because lawmakers in California, like New York, are all about control. Taking from you is what they will always want to do. And it is only a matter of time before power crazed politicians seek to control more and more. I hate the saying “people get they government they deserve” or however it goes. But the last time I went to California I left with an incredible feeling of relief. As if the state itself was an unhappy depressed mass of people. Thats the feeling you get from the state as a whole.
    There are great freedom loving individuals in California. But they are under the thumbs of the machine that is the liberal nanny state and its dictators.

  60. If this passes into law, there will be an interval between passage and Supreme Court strike-down. During that interval, I would not live in (or even visit) California for any reason whatever. Too risky.

    The criminals will be fully armed, but law-abiding people not. And as we see unfolding today, the police are not, shall we say, totally on top of the criminals.

    California: flee it while you can still leave.

    • At the risk of becoming tediously repetitive:

      No. Flee if the laws are passed. Until then, FIGHT!

  61. I may need a couch to crash on and a nice dry place to store my friends. If these go through, CA will be in my rear view.

  62. I just put (more of) my money where my mouth is:

    http://www.firearmspolicy.org/join/

    I donated an additional $50 to SAF. (That’s $150 already this year.)

    I joined CCRKBA for $15, and sent them another $35 on top of that.

    I revived my CalGuns Foundation for $15, and sent them another $35 on top of that.

    I’m all in. Every available evening and weekend, all of the money I had budgeted for shooting sports in 2013 — it’s all going to fight this.

    • +1 SAF is based up here in beautiful WA. If things get too hairy down in Cali, feel free to come up to the beautiful Pacific Northwest.

      To all you California 2A folks… keep your heads up!

      • Props alpha. This isnt the time to be wasting ammo at the range anyway. I wish I had more money to donate, the wife seemd to think there are better uses for our money but I did sign up for the NRA for the 1st time.

        • Thanks. One of those chunks of $50 was the money that was going to buy 3 boxes of Hornady TAP 40SW at MidwayUSA this afternoon.

          I’ve got my priorities straight. I can acquire more ammo later, the time to fight this is now.

  63. FOAD, you gobshite. Why don’t you join the Westboro Baptists in picketing a veteran’s funeral or something, you no-account pissant polecat?

    • For the avoidance of doubt, I have not come down with Tourette’s. The preceding is a reply to a now-deleting trolling comment from Great Lenin’s C*ckgobbler. Sadly, my later follow-up in which I suggested that he was the offspring of a pus-drinking leper and a syphilitic ape was caught up in the general expunge of the troll-response thread.

      • Whew … I am glad that you retained the essence of that comment. That was my all time favorite.

        Still good for a laugh this morning!

  64. Looks like its time to run those miscreants into the sea. Enough is enough. Frickin polecat Lemin you are first.

  65. So those of you who live in California as I do NEED tomorrow Feb 8th be in Sacramento at the capital building 10:00 to 12:00 to make your voice heard… This is a legal protest planned for some time… If your guns are important enough your willing to died to keep them then missing a day of work or whatever else you have going on won’t kill you…

  66. How many laws can they pass? How many things can they ban before they realize it doesnt work and never has? They cant be this ignorant.

  67. Something is likely to pass at the Federal level. Likely very watered down to mental health and beefed up background checks. When it does, our allies in Congress should insist that it include language that it is Congress’ intent to occupy the entire field of firearms law, and that State law’s are therefore preempted and unenforceable. Just a thought.

  68. Dammit! Just when we thought the exodus from the wackjob left coast pouring into our State had subsided. They tax the poor bastards to death and now effectively remove their second admendment rights. Oh well. As an American Patriot and staunch supporter of our constitution I hereby welcome all Patriotic fellow gun owners to the Great State of Idaho. But you must leave your west coast karma behind! Those poor tards in control of that pathetic state have no idea just how bad they are f-ing it up. Sad too. For it is a beautiful state and lots of great Americans living there.
    Californians: Leave and leave soon.

      • Quit yer whinin’, both of ya. You do realize that if there’s an exodus from CA over 2A issues, it will be the exact kind of folks you’d want to see moving in next door, right? The kind who love their 2A rights enough to uproot their lives and move?

        Think. *Then* whine, if it’s warranted. 🙂

        • Ok, I’m think’n.
          And I think you’re correct about the kind of folk…initially. But as the sensible people flee, the CA economy will accelerate it’s implosion. Historically, this increases the exodus of the less desirables as they watch their property values tank and consider how much more their $ can buy in other locales. It happened like a flood during the dot-com bust, and to lesser degrees since.
          Now CO is becoming yet another anti-rights liberal-controlled “utopia”.
          http://www.gazette.com/articles/california-139530-state-life.html

  69. WOW. Perhaps one way to fight back is for all the gun/ammo mfrs to pull a “Barrett”‘ and refuse to sell anything at all whatsoever in California, including to law enforcement…maybe especially law enforcement.

    Will anyone attempt to make CA-compliant guns anyway ?

    • Rossi already makes a complete line of reasonably priced single-shot rifles and shotguns. If we don’t stop this, that’s what we’ll have in 10 years.

  71. You guys are forgetting the good news in all this. Surely the criminals and gang members in Oakland and other crime infested areas will read the new laws and obey them to the letter. There will no longer be a need to lock doors, store owners will not need cameras to identify the non existent robbers – it will be utopia.

    • Yes, and they will FOR SURE stop traveling to nearby communities to commit their crimes where they are less likely to be recognized. Because that never happens where I live.

      What, what am I saying? It happens all the fracking time in every decent community in the Bay Area.

  72. The whole putting “Assault” in front of something is really getting stupid… Assault Bullets??? How about instead of Gun Laws we call them Assault Laws (they are absolutely assaulting the 2A) and outlaw them instead…

  73. THIS IS IT BOYS AND GIRLS.

    What will you do? Cower and submit? Or become a Felon?

    If you become a Felon you will look over your shoulder every day and live in paranoia. Are you ready to make the decision of your gun owning life?

    Will you turn in your guns and relax with the knowledge that a great weight is off your shoulders?

    • You mean your stupid enough not to look over your shoulder if you succeed in this idiocy, do tell, you have private body guards, a concealed permit?

      You really think your not on a list as well?

      Even more hilarious how crime wont go down, it would keep on climbing, then again, you Kommunists dont really care about public safety, you never have!

  76. Unfortunately, I live in California.
    If this God-aweful legislation passes, and I take apart all of my semi-auto firearms. Am I still allowed to own all the parts?
    If I can, then it seems like it would be impossible to get these guns off the streets.
    If I cant, which parts will be banned?
    If it is not put together, what “features” does the firearm have?
    It seems to me that this legislation will not affect the firearms in California, but rather the amount of training law abiding citizens can legally get in California.

  77. So they mandate licensing to exercise 2A rights, but say someone must prove citizenship to vote and they sh$t a brick? I’ll never understand those CA-holes and their comrades in insanity.

    • I think they are making their motives and intentions more clear by the day. I if you realize they want the federal government to regulate and control literally every facet of your life it all starts to make sense.

      And amnesty is a big issue because poor minority voters are the sole reason they are in power. Its another step in conquering and subjugation of the citizens of this country to their elite control.

  79. The irony of it all! Watching fox news right now and authorities have located Christopher Dorner’s burned truck in Bear Mountain. The California government is advising citizens in the area to lock their doors and ARM THEMSELVES!

    LOL!

  80. This is a sad sad day for my fellow Comrades in the Communist Republic of Kommifornia .

    After 6 years of living in this widebrown land, I could not take the state and its B&llS&^%t any longer.. Last year I paid nearly 60% tax so that I could live in a mild climate.. Kids are being sent home from school because they can not pay the teachers and you wait for weeks to see a doctor..

    Ohh and if you happen to live in LA you also get the benefit of being poisoned everyday by the air and water…

    And you still got to pay sales tax up the ass…

    Luckily, I just got a job in mighty TEXAS so I am out… I can not leave fast enough.. Was planning to leave in the summer after the kids finish school, but this rubbish may move my time frame up.. Not going to be classified as a felon just so more illegal residents can get benefits of my hard earned tax money…

    F__K you California.. Texas here I come…

    • You will like the freedom of living in Texas, just make sure any weapon or other items that would be a felony in California is moved to a non-felony state before the law passes. Otherwise you risk not being eligible for Texas Concealed Handgun License, get a Texas drivers license asap to establish residency. Won’t have to worry about Drone snooping on you, Texas is passing a law that restricts Drone monitoring residents without cause.
      Welcome to the Lone Star State!!!

  81. Number 1……Hollow point bullets is considered a felony……The Department of Homeland Security and the TSE have just purchased over 625 million rounds of HOLLOW POINT AMMO……
    Number 4…….Many firearms, actually most, are manufactured to only have external magazines or clips and a fixed magazine is impossible rendering most firearms illegal.
    Number 6…….Only single shot shotguns are considered legal…….Really……
    Number8……Everyone must register their firearms like a drivers licence……A precursor to full gun confiscation.
    Number 9…….All firearms owners must carry firearms liability insurance…….What the hell is that and for what crime are all LEAGAL firearms owners being infringed on
    Oh yeah Our right to bare arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED OPON……Reason that this is so is so that we the people do not get railroaded down the river by a tyrannical government……of which seems to have shown up…… All of this is illegal of course when held in the light of the United States Constitution and if these mandates are allowed …..anywhere in this Country…..Our Constitution can then later be altered or abandoned at the will of the Government of whom are supposed to be in our employ and thus the effectual omission of the 2nd Amendment would take all the power of the people to defend our form of government away from us and so render us totally defenseless to restore Old Glory to Her original state and the Land of the Free we will no longer be……..

    • I think driving is a right.

      People have the right to travel. They have the right to own property (car) and a right to drive on what they paid for (public roads) with tax dollars.

      People allowed that to slip away from them. Just like every thing else.

      Imagine if the government said you cannot use the public roads and they put you on the “no fly” list. How will you escape California?

      • As much as, I’m sure, we would all like driving to be a Right, it is definitely not a Constitutionally Protected Right. It is a privilege. If you’re not sure if I’m right on this one please do the research. If this is passed especially with, “All gun owners now must be licensed like drivers.”, included that will be step one in our Right to Bare Arms being converted to a Privilege.

      • You have a right to travel where you wish, sure. The mode of transportation you decide to use is not a guaranteed right. Hence the TSA policy of “if you don’t want to get finger-banged by a high school dropout, don’t fly”

  83. I 100% support all of their proposals….. as long as they only apply to the LAPD. The LAPD is going nuts looking for Christopher Dorner and, judging by their actions this morning, shouldn’t be carrying anything more powerful than a slingshot. Check out this great piece of detective work:

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/ex-cop-manhunt-newspaper-delivery-women-shot.html

    The truck, driven by two women delivering newspapers, that was mistakenly stopped by the LAPD in Torrance has at least 30 bullet holes in it. They didn’t even get the description of the truck right. They were supposed to be looking for a charcoal gray Nissan Titan. They stopped a blue Toyota Tacoma????

  84. I’m with Brian, above, fellas. I’m one of those friggin liberal MF many of y’all seem to hate but I’m also a gun owner. I served as a pilot in the AF and swore and still do, to uphold the Constitution. Never backed down from a fight and never will.
    You’ll have me right alongside of you in the fight to see none of this legislation passes. And all my gun totin shootin’ buddies, Dem and Rep will be right there with me, along with thousands of others. Run? When there’s a fight to be fought and win? Let’s work together to see this thing die before it hits the courts. If it passes we fight again until it’s gone. To leave just admits defeat. And you’re sadly mistaken if you think every Dem in CA is lockstep with this issue. May be less of us, but we can
    add strength working together for a common cause. The 2A’s too important to lose any further. We can talk about other subjects later….this one we work together on. Or we lose for sure.

    • Right on, Mark. Glad to fight at your side any day.

      35% of gun owners are Democrats or primarily vote for Democrats. That’s one hell of a lot of liberal gun owners, and it’s time to make ourselves heard.

    • Sorry Mark, if you voted for these libtards, you made your own hell. Next time, dont vote libtard. If you learned by your mistake, you have my sympathy. Nice to see that you are one of the libs that are pro-gun (so effing many are not) and will fight this odvious commie attack on freedom and liberty.

    • If you’re a gun owner then you’re not much of a liberal. How can you call yourself a liberal & at the same time oppose the POTUS’s sunny agenda to give us all peace & safety in a safe disarmed world?

      • Because, Herb, while gun control may not be conservative, it also is certainly not liberal. In fact, it is the very definition of illiberal. As illiberal as state-sponsored religion, government oversight of my bedroom, and the prison industrial complex.

        Just as the conservative movement is not a monolithic block of drug-war-supporting, war-mongering, racist theocrats, the left is not a monolithic block of statist, dependent, race-hustling, lily-livered nanny-state worshippers. There are strong libertarian threads in both.

    • Nope, he’s bad on guns. If he was good on guns who knows, but he is bad on guns so no. Other VA Dems like Webb were good on guns. They aren’t all the same.

      And I should say that if you want to keep VA gun friendly (as I do) we had better start reaching out to voters who trend Dem, because there are more and more of them. Not all of them hard-core anti-2A either, and many of them could be brought over to a 2A way of thinking, affecting who gets nominated at the state level and who wins primaries, but if it is cast as a pure partisan issue we are going to lose a lot of them.

    • Coward. What will you shout when Texas gets steamrolled and you get laws just like this, but enforced by Fedzilla?

      Anyone who thinks this is a well-contained California problem is delusional.

      • I disagree. In America today, the best way to hold our elite accountable is to vote with your feet. Your vote doesn’t work and your advocacy doesn’t work, your feet work. As long as we have a federalist system, it’s better to leave the tyrants to preside over a sinking ship of state, a dying economy, and a civic sh*thole with a horrible standard of living. Let CA turn into Detroit. Congregate with like-minded people in another state. Fight when that terrain is threatened. Read your Sun Tzu. Fight only where you can win. Amass forces on good terrain. Move and deny California economic vitality, population and tax revenue. Support any an all legal challenges and let CA suck air for years as things wind through the courts. Help make pro-2A states thrive. CA is not the hill to die on. There may be a hill to die on some day, but it is not CA in 2013.

        • Don’t forget money. All the rest of us can vote with our wallets. My wallet is closed as far as California is concerned.

        • So… you’re going to stop using Google, Amazon (search team powering their site is in CA, as is Kindle team), Apple products, Yahoo, eBay, Facebook, and so forth, then?

        • Great post Don! I hope California sees a mass exodus. Lots of people are talking about leaving and not just because of the 2A. Their recent tax hike has a lot of people mad as well.

          I am voting with my wallet. I have family out there that I used to visit every few years but not anymore. Not only will I not visit, I also will not support any business that is in California. For example, I am in the market for a new scope. I narrowed it down to Schmidt & Bender, the new NightForce, and U.S. Optics. I decided if I am going to spend 3500+ on a scope I would prefer for my money to stay in the US. So that narrowed it down to NightForce and USO. Once I realized USO is based out of California I immediately took them off the list.

      • I agree. You must fight on all levels, including locally. It would be good to have a few big fish leave the state and make a big stink of it for the publicity, however. This is a universal game that shall be played for the rest of our lives.

  87. Those of y’all in California, go to Arizona or some other place if you are not willing to vote straight-ticket small government. Too many people from New York and California have already ruined states like Colorado by bringing their problems and big-government votes with them, and we don’t need that happening in Texas. Best of luck to y’all out there though, I know it can’t be an easy fight.

    • I live in NorCal. We are predominately conservative. But since SoCal and the rest of the state is swarming with leftists, our vote isn’t even worth the paper we voted on. I voted republican to try and get ride of Diane Frankenstein and the rest of her ilk. It’s useless. Liberals rule this state. I use to love living in California and took pride in the state I was born and lived in. Now all I want to do is get the hell out! Where is the Free State of Jefferson when you need it?!

      For those who blame Californians for what is happening in this state, remember, the voting is one sided. We conservatives try our damnedest but we are out numbered badly.

  88. Why would California legislators do this? Because they know they can get away with it. They know they don’t have to worry that some 18th century type Americans are going to shake their worlds.

  89. I will fight. I will not move. I will continue to vote the people who do not represent me out office as long as I can rightfully vote. I am law abiding. I am your neighbor. I am not the problem. I will not be a statistic, nor will my family be victims.

    My family fled China for a reason. I thought my family fled China to the USA and not to another communist country? I’m tired of this Nanny state telling us it’s for the better good when they themselves have ZERO knowledge to the things they are attempting to legislate and pass as law of this state.

    Being Chinese, I don’t see how and Yee and Lee are both pro-citizen disarmament? Your homeland is the epitome of control! Your parents fled that place to have a better upbringing and life! Where freedom of religion, thought, and the right to protecting your family/liberty/justice isn’t met w/ a T-95 tank. How can you as a Chinese-American be so anti god given right to arm ourselves? Frankly, you should be ashamed, have you not read or learned ANY Chinese history? Like many other oppressed people, how can you stand there with a straight face and say this is for the better good? How?

  90. Ok this is not cool for you all in California, not only is this a state issue for you but can affect the whole country.. Stand tall and proud, stick up for your rights and squash this … I know this much, they came to take my stuff i will end up in jail or dead…

  91. Therefore, would a bolt-action rifle in .22LR with a 5-round detachable magazine be illegal in KKKalifornia, under the ‘proposed law’, if the magazine detaches without a tool?

  92. folks I have to agree with several of the above posters, strangle the life out of the government beast by moving and taking your tax dollars with you, California and new york are no longer viable safe places to live and raise children. Virginia is a very good option, Ohio is ok, Texas is great, pick your climate. everyone says oh but the house and mortgage, oh but my job, oh this oh that. these things are replaceable your children, freedom, and your life are worth far more than these things. besides both of these states are already trying to confiscate your property and paychecks to pay for their spending addictions already, what do you really have to lose?

  93. Its ok guys. Because we all know that the badguys will keep all their assault bullets, high cap mags, and guns with removable magazines.

    Btw, why is it legal to own such things in other “free states”, but not in CA?

    • When I asked Leland “Goatfscker” Yee that question, he said, and I quote:

      “Because f*ck you, that’s why.”

      Kidding. Mostly. But not really.

  94. I’ve been a resident of California all my life and this is home. I’m at tax payer I’m a law abiding gun owner! I’m sick the useless California legislature destroying the quality of life for all in the Golden State. As I perceive that most of this lunacy is hatched in Northern California I seriously propose that central and Southern California succeed and form the states of southern and central California ASAP!

    • Hey now, don’t blame all of us NorCal types for this snafu. The mayor of L.A was there too. We Californians all need to unite. I am willing to fight for your right to bear arms, shouldn’t you?

      • Yes Mymc, of course you are RIGHT. Flew of the handle too soon. I meant no insult. It’s just that I CAN’T believe these fools actually got elected. Yes All Californians must unite unfair and outrageous proposals! United We Stand divided we fall. Don’t Tread on Us!

  95. Californians need to do something and NOW, before they these bills get passed. Everyone who has helped create these bills need to be impeached for not defending and protecting the Constitution as they took an oath to do.
    This does nothing to the criminals. This is all against the legal law abiding citizens. This is a gross attack on peoples’ rights in California!
    FIGHT for your rights!!!!

  96. WOW, and they think these stupid @ss laws will keep all the crimials and mafias from getting weapons, Thats what they have been doing this whole time, you think a couple of stupid laws to help prohibit illigal weapons and ammuniton sales will keep them from getting what they want.

    what they are doing is unarming the state of california, and taking away our guns, from people who pay taxes, and abid by the laws. Take this money and build more prisons, and hire more police officers and focus on the crazy people and criminals that roam our streets shooting each other over pointless things, or maybe just maybe allow for concealed carry, because before anyone decides to go into a build or into a crowed area to shoot up the place, they may think twice about that because everyone there may have a concealed firearm and waiting for the moment that some dumb @ass to come in waving a gun around.

    The police will never always be there when you need them, it only takes minutes for some criminal to break into ur house find you, kill you and ur family and then leave before the police are ever alerted of a break in, what do they expect us to do when a criminal with a gun breaks in there home. Are we suppose to go hide under our beds or in ours closets to wait for them to find us and kills us, look at how well Mexico is doing being a gun free country.

  97. The Dems in the CA Assembly will be re-elected without the votes from gun owners. There are NO CONSEQUENCES to fear for these power mad jackals! Any ideas on how to stop this abuse of power when the Dems own the Assembly and state senate, not to mention the fanatical Gov Brown?! Any coordinated plan of attack? No cliches, please…and I support GOA, JPFO, NAGR, etc..

  99. I love how all these politicians are calling these “Common Sense Laws” when they obviously have no common sense. They refuse to look at the facts of what happens when guns are limited and banned and think it wont apply anywhere else and try to make it a competition of who can make stricter guns laws. these laws will do nothing to stop violence what-so-ever but limit how law abiding citizens can protect themselves. And if they actually do respect the 2nd amendment then they wouldn’t be trying to be the state with the strictest guns in the nation.

  100. Lee Harvey Oswald, 3rds 5 secs into an American President with a bolt action deer rifle… what do you consider “rapid fire weapons”? This guy is a complete idiot. Chicago now has some of the toughest gun laws and is the deadliest town in the US because of just that. Wait until they become something that now has to become smuggled. THEN it won’t be SEMI automatic weapons pointing back at them, they will be full auto banned weapons and give the illegal supply routes one more product to run and one more commodity for people to get killed over. How ironic it being guns now. “Ammo clips” and other phrases mentioned make the case that these guys have NO idea what they are talking about. They need to educate themselves on how these weapons operate and stop trying to play on the ignorance of the public with massive volumes of their own retarded word vomit.

  101. I am not now and probably will never be a gun fanatic or conspiracy theorist. However, The Right to Bare Arms is Constitutionally Protected and if this passes, especially with:

    “All gun owners now must be licensed like drivers.”

    included, that Right will be forfeited. Obtaining a Driver’s License is a Privilege not a Constitutionally Protected Right. Therefore, if this passes they will have successfully reduced our Constitutionally protected Right to Bare Arms to a Privilege. Stop the Madness & focus on more important issues.

    Sure, Law abiding citizens will follow these new laws if enacted. However, the new gun laws are not being passed to protect us from law abiding citizens. They are being enacted to “protect” us against criminals. If criminals abade by laws they wouldn’t be deemed “Criminals”.

    Again, Stop being pointless, place the focus on things that can actually be fixed.

    Sincerely,

    Tina M. Tucker

  103. While I do not want to attack you personally, I am compelled to ask you Californians to please move to a swing state or a red state. California has 55 electoral college votes and 53 representatives in Congress. The number of electoral college votes and representatives each state has is based on population. Thus, you merely being a resident of California is allowing California to bully the rest of the states around. As a resident of Georgia, I resent California giving Barack Obama an easy 55 electoral college votes in the 2012 election. Thanks to California, Romney needed to win almost every swing state whereas Obama could afford to lose most of the swing states and still win the election. Every Democrat running for President has the same electoral college advantage thanks to California. Without California, Democrats could not win national elections. Without California, Democrats could not pass an “assault weapons ban” or other gun control bills in Congress. Furthermore, I resent California infecting Congress with career politicians like Diane Feinstein, Barbra Boxer, and Nancy Pelosi. I bet you Californians cannot even name one Senator or Representative from Georgia. Everyone can name a few of your career politicians and that is not a compliment!

    • I have the same sentiments. I was born and raised in CA, but thankfully, my mother was smart enough to move us to New Mexico. There are way too many rules/laws in CA. With democrats running that state, I’m surprised they haven’t taken guns away completely. Then again, that could be coming. Residents of CA need to hold their representatives accountable for their actions/votes. Going against the Constitution is a direct violation of their sworn oaths. Do this before they make it so expensive and difficult to own and bear arms.

  105. F%ck that state and let it rot. I realize it isn’t anywhere near easy drop a job and move but goddam it’s getting stupid there. The more Reds that move out of that blue hell hole the more they’ll feel the pain of being a bluer state.

  106. We all know the well regulated militia line, but who is willing to admit that we have a long way to go in training, tactical observation and deployment, information gathering, intel, people inside, this is the “Well Regulated part” We need to get organized and start a true “National Guard” made of Americans for Americans, Setting up shop to blot out Tyranny every chance we have. My Opinion is snipers take first round, High profile Traitors!

  107. Why is it that a ban on gay marriage had to be put to a vote by the citizens in a general election but that your legislators are able to enact all these crazy gun laws arbitrarily? With that in mind, are there really no state representatives willing to propose a new state law that says that Ca state gun laws should be no more restrictive than any Federal statute?

    Or should i avoid posting things when i’m half asleep? lol

    Also, the next time she’s up for election, can you guys PLEASE not re-elect that daffy feinstein broad? C’mon, you can do that much for the rest of us surely?

  108. Guys, look on the bright side. Once you’re a felon, you can just buy AR’s and AK’s from the ATF.

  109. I got to the car analogy and stopped it. These people are so friggin’ stupid, I can’t listen to them.

  110. Ladies and Gentlemen:

    May I present to you the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania? It is a great place to be a gun owner and concealed carry person!

    Tom H.
    Lancaster, PA

  111. Why pay taxes in that state, taxation w/o representation is happening. Those are not real representatives of we the people! People just like the Founding Fathers warned us of, those that would disarm us and take away our rights. Beat this, CA! You let these weasels into office, now get those recalls and impeachments started. Fix it quickly.

    CA, clean up this mess now. The next riots won’t be far away and do you really want to live through that unarmed?

  112. California residents:

    WA, OR and ID welcomes you! Bring your intelligence, guns and hard work to states that don’t have a D+ credit rating from Moody’s.

  113. I think it’s wonderful the CA legislature has found a way to get criminals to comply with all these proposals.
    Oh wait///

  115. California is already in dire straights. The state is broke. They will no doubt be asking for US taxpayers to bail them out again and this is where the rest of the country has to put their foot down. I for one will no longer buy any more California wine, fruit or vegetables, and will not visit the state, for starters. The quicker the state goes completely broke the better, not only for the state, but for the rest of the country. Nothing brings about political change quicker than lack of money.

  117. What I want to know is where are the gun and ammo makers in all this. Why haven’t they banded together and as one refused to sell any guns, ammo or accessories to any Ca. agency.

    Why do we end users have to carry the burden alone to do this. I propose that we gun owners stop buying any gun related products until we see such a level of committment from the companies that profit from our lifestyle.

    What will it take? A week, a month? Until Glock and S&W and the rest realize that civilian purcahsers are their bread and butter?

    Make the people making a profit off us boycott those trying to grab our freedom. I’m tired of just us doing the grunt work.

    • Thing is, I’m not certain civilians are the industry’s bread and butter. Federal, state, and local law enforcement are huge purchasers of weapons and ammo and throw a lot of weight around.

      This is another danger of the state-by-state model of gun control, it dries up the potential civilian customer pool, making it less important for the manufacturers to cater to its needs.

      • Look at the results of the panic buying amongst citizens after Sandy Hook. How many guns and related items are bought by a state as compared to us citizens.

        I’m tired of doing the grunt work for these profit making companies. Either they’re for us or against us and it’s time to find out which ones deserve our business.

        • Right…and look at all the guns and ammo the government (at various levels) is buying up. Look at how the gun makers realize the civilian market may go away but the government market won’t (barring an asteroid hitting the Earth or something), look at how as the companies try to ramp up production the lion’s share of the guns are still going to the government.

          I’m all for trying to get the companies more on our side, and some of them are working hard, but unless we see major budget cuts to military and police or a major upsurge in the number of new gun owners (praise be) the state and federal governments are going to remain the biggest customers.

        • Brian, if what you say is true, then game over. All the G has to do is tell company A to stop making private sales or lose government contracts. I don’t believe that cities and counties buy more than their combined citizens do. If that’s true then we are lost.

          Only way to know for sure. Citizens unite and boycott the makers until they fall in line. If they tell us to FOAD, the games’s already over.

          • The easiest/best way to make certain civilian gun owners are ok is make certain the government is supportive of the 2A, or at least constrained in their opposition to it. The way we do this is by winning elections and getting good legislation passed. We can also think about how we improve the overall environment we are operating in so that there are more pro-2A voters and therefore more pro-2A legislators.

        • Brian, agreed. My idea of the boycott was intended against the state of California alone. If citizen gun owners can exert enough pressure against companies doing business with that one state to have an effect I’m all in.

  118. Thing is, California requires you to use hollowpoint bullets for hunting large game. So this may actually make it impossible to hunt most game in the state of Kommiefornia.

  120. Well… I see that the People’s Republic of California does not grasp the Constitution again… obviously the part that addresses “no ex post facto laws shall be passed” is obscure. The reason that laws address grandfathering is because you cannot create a law that states what you did yesterday and was legal then but is now illegal. Applied here: Yes, when you purchased 10,000 rounds last year all perfectly legal, is now illegal and you have to get rid of it. Obviously the morons in California fail to grasp that the government works for the people not the other way around.

    • I’m afraid that isn’t what Ex Post Facto means. It means they can’t punish you for something that wasn’t illegal when you did it.

      In this case if the law goes into effect May 1 and says you can’t possess more than 500 rounds of ammo, and you possessed 600 rounds on April 30th but got rid of at least 100 rounds before midnight you are ok, they can’t punish you for the 600 rounds on April 30th.

      They CAN get you if you don’t get rid of the rounds by May 1 however regardless of the fact it was legal when you purchased it.

      The grandfathering is probably more to grease the skids of passage and avoid having to pay people for “taking” their goods.

      • It’s a 500 round limit on purchased quantity. Not a 500 round limit on possession.

        Facts. They’re important.

  121. Time to move to Free America. The communists have overrun California. When you move, they lose your tax dollars, business leaves with you usually, and better yet, next census, California loses representatives in the House if enough people leave. Time to go and leave the occupied territory until they have little left but the criminals they believe the law abiding gun owners to be..

  124. The whole grandfathering thing they are trying to implement is unconstitutional. Article 1, Section 9, Clause 3 of the constitution prohibits ex post facto laws, laws that benefit the state and not the defendant. They can prohibit new sales and manufacture of 30 round and detachable magazines (which is also unconstitutional according to the second amendment) but cannot make it illegal for those who already own them. Does anyone read the constitution anymore?

    • That’s not how it works.

      They can not make you current possession of something illegal. That is ex-post facto.

      They CAN, however, make the possession of something which is legal today illegal in the future. That is NOT ex-post facto. You would have a period of time to divest from the property, and if caught after the effective date, you could be prosecuted.

      An no, they do not technically have to grandfather anything, since they are not taking anything away from you. This much can be argued, but don’t hold your breath.

      But what do I know, I’m only an attorney.

  127. Idiots think that criminals will obey their law…How dare a criminal not to obey…Idiots abound…I think most of the “Fruitcakes” live in California…

  128. I’m almost certain that a ban of anything doesnt fall under ex post facto. It’s a dick move but I don’t think it qualifies. Now, if they were trying to enact the bans retroactive to 2004 so that there was no gap between the 94 bill and a new one and then tried to prosecute anyone who bought a firearm or magazine since then (or even scarier tried to charge any of the manufacturers) , that would be an example of ex post facto.

    The scary thing is that there is a way that they could effectively disarm us, they dont need a single new law and i’m almost positive it would even stand up in the supreme court. I’m even scared to post it here just in case it keeps slipping their minds. So lets just hope they and the clowns in DC just keep on thinking that their laws are the only answer and we may even get lucky enough that enough of our state and national elected officials take a stand and keep these nightmare scenario’s never come to pass.

  129. Why doesn’t everyone just register to vote in CA since there’s no ID laws using a mail in ballet and a P.O. box have your mail forwarded. Do the same thing the illegals do to vote or get a check mailed to them and vote the nuts out? Everyone should know someone in CA. for a address or use a vacant lot or condemned house address. Fight fire with fire.

  130. Someone above mentioned that what they (the Legislature) intend to do is deny that the 20th Century happened in gun-design.
    Well, I’m cool with that.
    I’ll just pull out that “1873” Winchester clone with the 30″ bbl and full length magazine – 14-rds of .44WCF!
    And if that doesn’t work, there’s always the 1886, with 9-rds of .45-70.

  131. Spending more money CA doesn’t have on things that will drive businesses and people out of CA. Why don’t they go ahead and lay off more cops, and release more prisoners while they’re at it…

  132. Sad blow to the rights and liberties of law-abiding citizens in California. I guess I will never move to that socialist state. I wonder, however, will Brad and Angelina and other celebrities who own these types of weapons give them up willingly……I doubt it, and neither should anyone else. It would be awesome to see a Californian revolution.

  133. Sad blow to the rights and liberties of law-abiding folks in California. I guess I will never live or own property there…….or likely ever travel there again. I wonder, however, if celebrities that own weapons listed in this ban proposal, like Brad and Angelina, will give up their guns and magazines willingly. Congrats, liberal fool celebrities, you voted for these assholes. It would be awesome to see a Californian revolution.

  134. They have to legalize all drugs to make room in our jails for all of us new Felons this will create.

  135. No, really this is smart. Because it takes me 500 rounds to kill one person so, limiting me to 500 means there will be no more mass shootings. ummm….wait.

  136. I hope the democratic congressman that vote for this crap realize that us Independent voters will swing our votes to the Republican side and they will be out of a job if this passes. The ammunition regulation and “fixed” magazines are the most ridiculous suggestions I have ever heard of, obviously authored by city folks who would rather cower in the corner than defend themselves. Is it the loud noises that scare them or what? Saw a comment the other day “blaming the NRA for gun violence is as dumb as blaming AAA for auto accidents.”

  137. OK… I’ll be the first to promote Florida on this thread. They don’t call it the “Gunshine State” for nothin’! Florida treats gun owners even better than the Great State of Texas (love Texas!). No 30.06 (no guns allowed) signs to worry about.

    We are a SHALL ISSUE (CCW) state.

    No “approved guns” list.

    No state income tax!

    Bring your guns, money, jobs, intellect, and patriotism to the Gunshine State! You’ll be welcomed with open arms!

  139. Piss on them, they will be the first to be burned down when the war starts and the assault bullets start flyin! morons….

  141. A world class earthquake that wipes out S.D.,L.A. San Fran.,Oakland Sac. would just about take care of things.

  142. We need to organize a financial boycott of any state that is considering passing ANY anti-gun laws. This will put pressure on their residents to oppose the laws when they see the impact it could have on their economy if tourism is impacted, if conventions aren’t booked there, etc. We need to start speaking with our wallets to ensure our voices are heard.

  143. I brought an inheritance of hunting and self defense weapons to California from Ohio, and was actually considering being a nice guy and letting the state of California know I had them.

    Well, scratch that nonsense.

  144. Well, to start one of those would immediately turn this law abiding citizen who hasnt even had a ticket in over 15 years in a FELON…. way to go Fein”Hitler”Stein!!!! I will not comply.

  145. why do you guys lie you guys are anti gun people why do you guys got to take guns from people that did not do any nothing wrong.

  146. So 2800 murders involving firearms in 2011…some of the strictest gun laws in
    the nation…How’s that working for you? I guess we need more laws that we are
    unable to enforce.

  147. Those idiot Dems really DO want to start another revolution, don’t they?

    Joe Biden, in a speech Wednesday night, Vice President Joe Biden imploring House Democrats to continue to fight for gun control legislation: “It is clearly within the right of the government to determine what type of weapons can be owned by the public.”
    No, Joe, it is NOT within the right of the government. The Constitution SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITS the government from infringing our right to keep and bear arms. You, Obama, and all of your cohorts in crime should be removed from office for violating your oaths of office.
    Government has no rights. It exists, with the consent of the governed, SOLELY to PROTECT, not to destroy, the rights of the people.
    It’s high time that We the People withdraw our consent to be governed by these oath-violating tyrants

  149. Any person who, after giving an oath or affirmation of fidelity to the US Constitution as a condition of accepting an office or appointment, speaks, writes or behaves in a manner inconsistent with that oath or affirmation must be considered to have withdrawn their oath or affirmation and, by consequence, resigned from said office or appointment.

    The Second Amendment clearly defining a right which shall not be infringed, even to the extent of providing an advantage to the state for that right remaining so un-infringed, any person having accepted an oath or affirmation of fidelity to the US Constitution who behaves in a manner infringing on that constitutionally protected right must be considered to have resigned from the office or appointment to which they were entrusted upon giving their oath or affirmation as a condition of accepting said office or appointment.

    That said, we need to hold some special elections to replace people who have vacated their offices by repudiating their oath of office.

  150. I cant understand why so many gun lovers still live in that God forsaken state. I know its a beautiful state but hell , most of our states are . Get the F out of there guys for real . Its mind blowing that yall still stay there. Makes me think yall are half retarded .

  151. Immediately to the right (left in the picture) is the Mayor of Los Angeles, son of an illegal and proud sponsor of the largest sanctuary city in America. Illegals came, had many anchor babies and now they vote and hold office. We did this to ourselves by allowing our elected “officials” to remain in office after neglecting their responsibility to keep our borders secure.

  152. What I find interesting? Mark N. was kind enough below to explain what a bullet button is. Basically a device that requires a tool in order to release the magazine. Reading the proposals above, they want to BAN bullet buttons, but yet want to require all magazines be fixed to the rifle and only be able to be detached with the use of a “tool”… Ah yes, our elected officials… Definitely not Mensa material.

  154. List of the 10 bills
    Fixed magazines (Steinberg): Prohibit the future sale, purchase, manufacture, importation, or transfer in California of semi-automatic rifles that can accept detachable magazines. This legislative action decisively closes the loopholes that have allowed the gun industry to flood our communities with rapid-reload battlefield weapons.

    High Capacity magazines (Hancock): Ban possession of large capacity ammunition magazines over 10 rounds. This legislative action decisively closes loopholes that have allowed the gun industry to enable the assembly and home-modification of 10-round magazines into larger capacity magazines.

    Bullet button (Yee): This legislative action closes the loophole that has allowed the gun industry to flood our communities with modification tools to rapidly detach and replace magazines from semi-automatic rifles.

    Shotgun Definition (Jackson): This legislative action updates the definition of a banned shotgun with a revolving cylinder to include the new technology of a shotgun-rifle combination.

    Requires Ownership Record of all Guns (Steinberg): Applies ownership records consistently across-the-board, ensuring all firearms are recorded, and ensuring that no firearms of any classification are legally accessible to prohibited persons or persons without a background check.

    Ammunition Purchase Permit (de Leon): Expanding on what Los Angeles and Sacramento are already doing requiring anyone wishing to purchase ammunition in California to obtain a purchase permit first, by passing a full and complete background check.

    Gun Loans (Block): This legislative action prevents unregulated gun loans, with exceptions, including hunting. To limit legal accessibility of weapons to prohibited persons or persons without a background check.

    APPS Expansion (Leno): This legislative action prohibits individuals on APPS from residing in a home with any weapons. Expand the APPS list by adding more than two DUIs, other crimes.

    APPS Enforcement (Leno/Steinberg): This legislative action authorizes DOJ to use existing DROS funding to eliminate the 19,000 backlog of individuals on APPS.

    Fire arm safety certificate (Block): This legislative action will establish a safety certificate for handguns, mirroring the training currently required annually to lawfully carry a concealed weapon (CCW).

  155. Well we saw the Milloin Man March, now it looks like our polititions are going to force 2nd Amendment supporters out in the streets for a
    150 Million Voting Citizen March.
    The way this has escalated by our politions the March should be sooner than later. Now that I would attend. How can we make that happen ?
    We as citizens must make our polititions understand that the 2nd Amendment is for the American Citizen to protect our self against any and all intruders and a government gone wild.
    The polititions should be inforcing the laws that are already on the books.
    Brian

  156. I really dont want to sound stupid , but what the hell are they calling a bullet button ? i realize i’m from the south and we are a tad bit odd at times , but the gun banners can come up with some really stupid stuff and I’ve never heard of a bullet button in all my life .

  157. It never ceases to amaze me how californians get together and decide they know what is best for everyone else. The most poorly governed state in our country where no matter HOW BAD their economy is, the politicians make sure they get their grossly inflated paychecks while everyone else suffers. I honestly don’t know how the citizens of california put up with it. “We’ll spend 10 million or more if we have to.” Go ahead Ass-clown keep spending money your sorry state doesn’t have. Phil Mickelson has got it right. Get out now! If you have one ounce of sense in the whole state, there will be a mass exodus soon.

  158. So they expect 166,000 AR owners to meekly turn in their firearms?

    Really?

    I see something else – lots of dead people. Cops killing citizens who refuse to surrender their 2A rights, citizens killing cops that raid them and for that matter, their neighbors and friends, and unbridled chaos.

    There is now ONE crazed ex-cop killing two people, Chris Dorner, and the entire state is going bananas crazy. LA cops just shot up two older ladies two days ago in the middle of the day, in their truck without any provocation, because they were driving a blue truck and thought they were Dorner. Two white women, 45 and 71, were thought to be Dorner, a big black dude. It wasn’t close, these cops are ready to snap. Imagine if just 5% of California gun owners went nuts because their rights were being stolen.

    Can you imagine 10,000 citizens shooting back at cops trying to take away their legal guns?

    I can.

    And if it gets that far, I see some of these citizens hunting down some of these Legislators who passed this bill and doing exactly the same thing to some of them.

    Not any threat on my part, I have no intention of ever going there again. But this is common sense, some type of reaction like this WILL happen if these crazies in Sacramento pull this $#!t off.

    Someone has to put this real possible outcome out there and start talking about it.

  159. Here’s My take

    Make a Public Vote on rolling back all the Weapon control laws and to Restrict what the Calif Legislature can do. Make another Allowing less # of petition signature to be allowed on the ballot, taking the power out of their hands. Also Split calif into North/South as those idiots in SanFran always causing problems to the rest of the state.

    Get the Gun/Ammunition Companies to Stop Selling to LEO/Gov’t, Use that Pressure to Make them think and to change. One Company has already started, Get the others to Take a stand!

  160. yak yak bark bark—-just do it. Arrest Feinstein and the constitutional abusers for treason.
    Abobe moved to Colorado(LOL)the state that arrests without bail or warranby judges prosecutors immune from wrongdoing under the “full immunities”
    A state lawyer watchdog department that says yes-Mr Doe was arrested with false evdence and testimony-but thats a typical pattern nowadays—so its OK for
    them to do that. A district court judge who brags that the Constitution does not
    apply–my law only—thank you judge(?)Barton

  161. OK ive about had enough of this bs , Its about time to load up and take control of these idoits that are out of control !! What about you ??????????????????????????

  162. So where in this list is MENTAL ILLNESS addressed ? Last I checked NONE of the mass killers were described as “normal, family man, hard worker, we never saw it coming”. They ALWAYS have a problem with MENTAL ILLNESS, and family knew it, suspected it, often when confronted say “I knew he’d snap someday”

    The root cause is MENTAL ILLNESS. I loaded my gun and set it on the floor yesterday while I watched TV. None of my guns got up on their own and started shooting. It just does not happen. Don’t blame the gun, it is the MENTALLY ILL PERSON !

    These lawmakers are dodging the tough questions. Same group who closed all the mental hospitals in California years ago and put them on the street.

    • My guns are always a disspointment to me. They sit around, never “going off” or otherwise shooting anyone, up to and including other people who live in my home, one of which is 13. I’m hard pressed to believe that the media and the politicians could be so wrong about such an important issue. /s/

  163. I can’t wait to get out of this POS state. The libtards have ruined it completely. Want to see the future of California? Look at Detroit.

  164. Obama strategy arms the Mexican drug cartel members with superior firepower and other foes of law abiding. Villagarosa years ago fully imploded and is on mega doses of Lithium just to address his drooling and skirt chasing, let alone zero common sense on 2A issues. Death to all these scumbags.

  165. I live on the San Francisco Peninsula. I like guns. I love guns. I don’t want them taken away. I have renewed my NRA membership annually and I intend to join Cal-guns. The national ban on certain arms never ended in Ca. The tipping point in California occurred in 1992. Since then the place has become hijacked by anti-gunners. Not all are liberal. I know lots of liberals that love guns too.

  166. yall need to move to arizona! its great out here, no licence to carry open or concealed. no mag restrictions, no licence for anything. we scored a zero on the brady scale!

  167. I was born in CA and later worked for an aerospace firm in Hawthorne, CA. Eventually I moved to Texas because of my job and have never been back to CA since and I don’t miss it. Also, I refuse to sell parts and supplies to any government entity be it Local, State, or Federal within any Slave State including CA and NY. If enough of us ban together and stop selling to them they’ll eventually start to feel the effect.

  168. Even people who do not support the second amendment should be VERY alarmed at this type of attack on civil liberties, and the attempt at criminalizing lawful behavior with the stroke of a pen. Rights not fought for run the risk of being lost, and the slope is very slippery thereafter for the other rights in our country. This is how tyrannical governments begin.

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  171. I say if they pass these bs bills, there should be a requirement that the politicians be the ones to go door to door to enforce them. If that were to happen and I am not delusional to think it ever would. I would believe it would be a safe bet that there would be quite a few open seats to fill in the legislature. Not one of these bills do anything to increase public safety. All they do is hurt the law abiding gun owner and attempts to turn those law abiding gun owners into criminals. I know more then a few deputies that when asked about these bills, that if given the order to go confiscate weapons or magazines, they would refuse and or quit because if they did they know they would get killed. It’s a sad time to be in California, it a beautiful state but the capitol needs an enema.

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