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“a device just used to increase the death toll of innocent Americans.”
This is the problem. I am trying to make the argument time and time again that the bumb stock DID NOT increase the death toll. With his time available, her could have done the same damage with a stock semi auto. He could have done the same damage with a bolt action. Guns are dangerous, but not to the degree we can’t be trusted with them. Hundreds of millions of guns hurt no one.
But here we are, 2nd Amendment people arguing against me. Then my friends point and say I am unreasonable… smh
Fuck that pogue MAC.
If it’s got too many loopholes, THROW THE DAMN LAW OUT.
Go home and think about it REAL hard before you bother trying to introduce any other legislation AND WE’LL BUSY OURSELVES WITH FINDING A REPLACEMENT GUARD FOR OUR SECURITY IN THE MEANTIME.
Where is the evidence of this? A link to the post or something. This isn’t reporting but slander.
Disclaimer: I do not own any LaRue products, nor am I affiliated with them.
I believe him.
Admittedly, I think that the NRA’s strategy of “give it back to the ATF to handle, rather than introducing new legislation” has merit, but Larue’s press statement rings true to me.
“There can be no steps backward” is a much more clear statement than is a snarky post he made on arfcom which seemed like it was more critical of the specific argument being raised by someone than the actual topic at hand.
“But it looks like Second Amendment absolutists are fighting a losing battle.”
FIFY
The knife is made by a famous knife maker. Some people are into knives.
I’ll bet he has a more expensive gun in his collection.
Literally people are having a fit over a comment from a message board that wasn’t even really saying what they claim it said.
Gun owners are like a bunch of women on their periods, holy hell.
It’s becoming so obvious that if we need any sort of amendment to the Constitution at this time is is MANDATORY retirement ages for Congressmen, Senators and SCOTUS justices!
So perhaps when your politicians call for more gun control, they really should be careful what they wish for.
Why? They have armed security paid for by our tax dollars, or their election campaigns. I doubt many politicians care about our safety as much as staying in power.
And it’s much easier to stay in power, when the population is disarmed. Western Europe began instituting gun control about a century ago out of fear of communist revolutions, not crime against its citizenry.
Knew the MA ban-hammer was coming down. Baker is a RINO, he was elected simply for variety’s sake. It’s too bad our representatives haven’t been able to close the three biggest loopholes in any of our state laws: Maine, New Hampshire, and Vermont.
“We probably won’t even get the bump legislation even though the NRA says we should.”
A congressional Democrat saying what I’ve been saying, and she’s probably correct. It’s very unlikely that any bump stock legislation will make it through. Maybe a ton of folks missed civics but the whole point of the system is to make passing shit like this HARD. Sub-committees, committees, markup sessions, rules committee, scheduling, motions, floor debate…
It will be months before any proposals even make it out of committee by which time things will have moved on.
So… why are people panicking again? Oh, right. Dollars and cents.
Guys, this is happening with or without us. We can either be part of the conversation and keep the ban of bump stocks narrow, or sit on the sidelines and sulk and let it happen without us, and let Nancy Pelosi do the talking. Which would you rather have? That’s our choice. Choose wisely.
I agree with this article, and would simply add that no rulemaking proceeding is needed — just an internal decision to reverse a prior interpretation of the existing regulations regarding conversion kits and other gizmos, specifically by treating a bump stock the same way the regs treat semi-to-full conversion kits. The Eleventh Circuit has already confirmed that the ATF has this power when it affirmed the ATF’s reversal of its original internal decision on the original Akins Accelerator in Akins v. United States (2009). They’ll need to reverse the existing rulings on the Slidefire product (sales of which the manufacturer has already suspended) and a few other such rulings, but this can skip the whole public comment period, and most important, this can keep CONGRESS’ GRUBBY PAWS off the subject.
Contrary to what absolutists demand, this massacre does not add to the NRA’s or any Second Amendment supporter’s political capital. It does the OPPOSITE of that. But if we take this bump stock issue off Congress’ plate, then maybe next year we can actually get some action on reciprocal concealed carry, suppressors, or other goals. If Congress changes the law to deal with bump stocks, you can damn well bet that will include other gimmes demanded by the Dems and insufficiently fought for by squishy Republicans, certainly including large-capacity mags.
If you want to understand the current law and regulations on this, and in particular the not-very-consistent treatment of these sorts of gizmos by ATF going back to 2006, I recommend that you read the briefs in the case currently pending in federal court in Indiana in which Freedom Ordinance’s ERAD product (a battery operated trigger-return gizmo) is at stake on cross-motions for summary judgment:
* FOMI’s brief in support of its motion for summary judgment
* ATF’s brief in support of its cross-motion for summary judgment
* FOMI’s response/reply brief
* ATF’s response/reply brief:
I’m not interested in arguing with anyone about their belt loops or rubber bands or other MacGyver’d techniques for bump-firing a semi-automatic weapon. That’s not the legal question before the ATF. Rather the question before the ATF is: Do we treat bump stocks the same as, or differently from, conversion kits under existing laws and regs? I think the answer to that legal question is that they’re the same, and I also think that’s the politically smart answer.
Traitors ,not turn coats, when they swore uphold the constitution. They lied, the got in, they pass laws, they Will defeat America. Scum of the worst sort
If the Left likes guns so much then why doesn’t California have better gun rights than Arizona??????
Chairman Mao only wanted guns for himself and his followers. Just like Adolf Hitler a leftist vegetarian, who also only wanted guns for myself.
Hi my name is MiserableBastard and I own a slidefire, got it from grabagun a couple years ago. I also picked up the Bair Arms combo (ak-ar) bump thingies 6 months ago or thereabouts. I bought a TacCon trigger a couple years ago, and early summer got the Franklin Armory BFS III. I used the slide fire a once on an AR, it was meh, put it on a S&W M&P 15-22 and it was more meh. The Bair Arms thingies are sitting on my desk because they only work with the A2 grip which I hate and the skinny little AK grips which I also hate. The TacCon was a big disappointment, I can shoot faster with my timney 3.5# single stage AR trigger. The BFS III I got had an out of spec hammer amongst other things and Franklin Armory ended up sending me a corrected setup, it is stilling sitting in a box since I got it back a few months ago.
The day before yesterday I saw a post where a guy bump fired an ar with a rubber band. Today I found a rubber band in the junk drawer hooked one end around the top part of the trigger bow on my suppressed scorpion sbr pulled it around the magwell and hooked the other end on the trigger. I went to my LGS and tried it out in his sandbox. After 1 20 round mag I was able to consistently fire 4 round bursts very easily.
All that shit is legal and if I want to waste my money on ammo, I can.
I detect the delicate aroma of organic fertilizer. If the ATF could declare a shoe string to be a machine gun in 2004 then the bump fire stocks would be even more so.
Even Feinstein admitted that more gun laws won’t help.
http://libertyparkpress.com/feinstein-admits-gun-laws-couldnt-prevented-las-vegas/
Of course, it’s not like that ever stops her for seeking more citizen disarmament.
I’d agree with her, that this murder was entirely preventable, and openly encouraged by our legislators, and other smug, pretentious, like-minded assholes to her, and the BLM-rabid anti-Trump-type.
Lets see, cute haircut, cute outfit, cute smile but then she tops it off with those ugly old lady glasses. She might as well wear a burqa. They just ruin everything.
She’s a professor of creative writing. Using conjecture as a persuasive literary device is how she rolls (and how she roles…see what I did right there?)
She’s just taking advantage of a convenient opportunity to make a connection between an event by cherry-picking a cause that suits her agenda. Standard Progressive Liberal procedure. And, of course, the National Broadcasting Communists News had to jump on it because it suits their agenda. Standard Fake News Network procedure.
Trade bump stocks for suppressors, knowing that triggers such as the fostech echo, and franklin armory binary triggers now make these bumpfire stocks obsolete. They are far easier to control, and the early versions of the franklin armory trigger could actually go faster than the gun could run. Simply make sure that the bill ONLY bans stocks and not triggers.
I wish they never existed so this wouldn’t have happened and we would have to talk about them over and over again.
Now that some of us have been so kind as to demonstrate that the stock is not necessary to induce bump fire, I predict that we’re heading down the path to a mandate that semi-auto rifles will have to have a grip safety or some other gizmo to eliminate manual bump fire.
Bump stocks are stupid. Pull your panties out of your ass, you bunch of crybabies.
“I think this thing is stupid so you guys should be fine with people in the gun industry arguing that banning it is fine, even if you do think it’s protected by the second amendment.”
With “friends” like you and LaRue, who need enemies. I didn’t know “that’s stupid” was such a great argument for government infringement. Perhaps we should default to what fudds support, hunting rifles only. Assault rifles are stupid, after all.