New from CMMG: Mk47 “Mutant” AR-15 in 7.62×39

1. Anything you need to bolt on to an ak can already be handled by an ultimak.

   • Thank you for pointing out the elephant in the room.

2. A. answer to a question no one asked.
   B. $1500? That’s a lot of 5.56, let’s see $250ish for 1k steel that’s 6,000 rounds.
   3. Steel inserts on the front and back? If not, good luck with mag lock up lasting more than two minutes. In the wear war between steel ak mags and aluminum recievers, steel always wins.
   i. 5.56 in the worst AR will always out pace the x39 in terms of accuracy.
   Sorry, I like CMMG but this is goofy. 300 BlkOut is far better at 30 caliber and 5.56 is way more accurate. If they could make it for $500-750, it maybe worth it. $1500? Nope.

   • Ditto Greg.

   • A, B, 3, i

     Gotta love that ordering system.

     • Oh, and I forget..
       Appedix j.c. sub paragraph P: NO BOLT HOLD OPEN = run the charging handle every damn time. No thanks.

       • I “built” an AR x39 M4 for about $500. Tastes great, less filling. Funky mags, standard lower. So that leaves me $1000 for ammo.

         Once I finished tuning it (very little work needed, eg: enhanced firing pin), I have had no problems at all.

   • Yeah, I doubt CMMG has ever received over $1000 in a single transaction and they’d be too hungover to show up for work the next day if anyone bought one of these.

3. “…heavy-hitting 30 caliber projectile…”

   Um, no. It doesn’t even match the muzzle energy of a .30-30. It is “heavy-hitting” only when compared to the .223 Remington and similar cartridges developed for shooting varmints.

   • Beat me too it.

     • My MK-4 runs great with the upper I built. Sure it’s not AK Mags, so what?

   • Thank-you. I read that line and had to re-read to make sure I read it properly.

   • for that price. I’ll take an AR10 and shoot .308

4. I’ll stick with my Sig 556R. Is this a DI rifle? If so, that’s not good. Sig 556R wins.

5. This is nice and all but WAY too expensive. And I would NOT want a direct impingement system if I am going to shoot inexpensive (dirty) imported ammunition.

   Does anyone make an affordable rifle for the 7.62x39mm round that uses the best of all worlds? In other words a lower made from an aluminum billet like this rifle, a nice barrel, and a gas piston system?

   • Sig 556R.

     • Based on the fact that the model number includes 556 (as in 5.56 x 45 mm NATO ammunition designation) I am going to assume that the rifle you listed is chambered for 5.56 x 45 NATO ammunition … when I was asking for something like this in 7.62 x 39mm. Furthermore, based on the fact that Sig makes it, I am going to assume that it is most definitely NOT affordable.

       Long story short, apparently no one makes the rifle that I desire.

       • “Based on the fact that the model number includes 556 (as in 5.56 x 45 mm NATO ammunition designation) I am going to assume that the rifle you listed is chambered for 5.56 x 45 NATO ammunition”

         You missed the important part. The “R” it changes everything. Sig Sauer invented a rifle long ago in Switzerland called the 550. It became the military issue rifle. When they wanted to bring it to the US it seemed natural to call it the 556 because they redesigned the mag well to take AR mags. Both the 550 and 556 were cambered in 5.56×45. Then because demand was high enough Sig made a new gun called the 556R. The called it the 556 still because it was a 556 with a new barrel bolt and mag well meant to accept AK mags and shoot the 7.62×39 round. Hence the “R” for Russian. Because in the rest of the world .308 Win is called 7.62 NATO and 7.62×39 is called 7.62 Russian.

         “Long story short, apparently no one makes the rifle that I desire.”

         Since your google fu is weak here is a direct link: http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/sig-sauer-sig556xi-russian-detail.html?Itemid=0
         Now $1300 is expensive, but it’s cheaper then the Mutant. And Atlantic tends to run high, I bet it can be found lower elsewhere.

6. So lemme get this straight:

   – Gas Impingement
   – Cheap, dirty AK round crudding up your BCG faster than you’re used to
   – $1500 for the basic gun

   Rock River Arms already made this same gun at the same price point: http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_ID=558

   To both of them I say no thank you. If you want to build an “awesome” AK/AR hybrid here’s my criteria:
   1.) 7.62×39
   2.) Piston driven (Prefer long stroke, but whatever)
   3.) Takes AK mags

   And if you want to take it to that next level, make the barrel/piston/BCG a quick change setup so you can switch to a different caliber like Faxon Firearms does with their ARAK-21. (http://www.faxonfirearms.com/p/45/arak-21-upper-receiver-one-stainless-steel-barrel)

   Hey, I’ll be here all week. Remember to tip your web host.

   -Mike

   • “To both of them I say no thank you. If you want to build an “awesome” AK/AR hybrid here’s my criteria:
     1.) 7.62×39
     2.) Piston driven (Prefer long stroke, but whatever)
     3.) Takes AK mags”

     Its called the Sig 556xi Russian. All of the things you wanted. And $500 cheaper. And If you wake up one day 10 years from now and you want to go 5.56 you change lowers, barrel, and bolt and you can run 5.56 out of NATO mags.

7. Call me a traditionalist, but I wish companies were to stop melding things together to make monstrosities of mediocrity.

   It’s like the whole “crossover” fad… You want to truck, make a truck, you want to make an SUV, make an SUV, you want to make a car, make a car… When you try to make a product that’s the best of everything you always end up with something that’s good nothing.

   • El Camino?

8. Will it accept a RDIAS?

9. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pusZXECS0mM

10. I wonder if the recent advent of all these “non-ar ar’s” are a sign that America’s rifle is at the end of it’s reign. Personally, I never seen the appeal of these anyway. Everyone and their brother has these guns. I like to see something different instead of companies hashing out the same exact gun, but with a different logo.

    • Unfortunately, at this point and time, a decent cheap AR and a decent cheap AK are about the same $500-600 price tag, and ammo prices between 5.56, 5.45, and x39 are becoming closer and closer.

      Until sanctions lift up or more US AK manufacturers arise to support the platform, the supply of $300-400 cheap AK rifles are nearly all dried up.

      • Acquired my old MAK 90 for $350ish… Those were the days.

    • You and I both, but I suspect we’re not going to get our wish.

11. So, $1500 and I’m stuck with a non-folding buttstock on a buffer tube? Yea, I’ll pass.

12. Well, it’s innovative. Ish. But too expensive. It competes with the 300 BLK, which is very slightly less powerful but much more versatile, and cheap ARs, and cheap AK / SKS’s.

    If I want to go commie, I’ll just vote for Hillary or get a Mosin 91/30. Come to think of it, maybe just a 91/30.

13. Mutant, in evolutionary terms 99% of mutations that present in a population are so detrimental to the “Mutant” that it dies before it can reproduce. The CMMG Mutant is a perfect example.
    Congratulations CMMG, you came up with a rifle that with all at once; pisses off AK guys (Like somehow you think you can make us change, we don’t want nona ya disgusting DI system.), pisses off AR guys (who think their 5.56 ARs are better already), and doesn’t solve any problems or bring anything new to the table.

    But here is the paragraph that really makes my blood boil.
    “The only problem with the round is that there are limited options for those looking for a gun to go with their ammo of choice. The best options are based on the AK-47 pattern of firearm, but they leave much to be desired in terms of aftermarket parts, accuracy, and most importantly rail space for all of your accessories. CMMG has been working on solving that problem, and their newly unveiled masterpiece is the Mk47.”

    Excuse you!? That was just outright lies. At the best it was flippant and at the worst you are outright lying to mislead people. That whole paragraph was irresponsible. Here is why…

    “The best options are based on the AK-47 pattern of firearm…” : Wow, way to forget the Ruger Mini 30, the VZ58(VZ2008), the SKS (yes they are back on the market around $300 right now), the Sig 556 (Russian), and those are just the ones I could think of off the top of my head.

    “…but they leave much to be desired in terms of aftermarket parts…” : Wow, have you shopped accessories recently? The market for AK accessories is exploding. Find me one accessory I cannot find for an AK. I dare you.

    “… accuracy, …” : See the other options response above, If one of those guns isn’t accurate enough Century arms is also importing 7.62X39 BOLT guns.

    “… and most importantly rail space for all of your accessories.” : Wow, have you never herd of Chaos and TDI who are making 5 rail systems for the AK? What are you trying to mount on an AK you cannot mount on a 5 rail system? There are numerous quadrails made by companies like, Damage Industries, Midwest Industries, Strike Industries, Troy Industries, and more, which should have plenty of room for most things. This isn’t 1994, there IS aftermarket support for the AK enough that you don’t HAVE to buy an AR.

    And while we are on the subject of aftermarket parts. Lets talk about all the “unique” parts CMMG says their rifle has. Since the point of buying a 7.26×39 AR is to get access to all the aftermarket AR parts. Like Stocks. Did anyone else notice that the upper and lower are not standard, and the carrier is a 308 carrier. I’m pretty sure that means no AR-15 stocks (AR-10 maybe). The hand guard is keymod so if you don’t already have any rail sections you cannot mount anything accept to the top rail. And the upper is uniquely machined so I bet you can’t slap any rail on there if you wanted to. So the only parts you rally can change are things like the trigger, pistol grip, and muzzle break. The rest you are almost certainly married to. News flash: You can get new grips and breaks for AKs from numerous manufacturers often cheaper then AR parts.
    It’s great that someone came out with a new product. It’s nice that TTAG shows us so we can all take a look. It’s amazing that we live in such a great time that so many manufacturers are competing in the marketplace. But I really expect more from TTAG, a place of truth and facts supposedly, than to just come out an bash another proven weapon system so flagrantly in favor of some Frankenstein monstrosity. Report on a new product, maybe even an exciting product. But, don’t use it as an excuse to insult a whole group of users and insinuate that they picked an inferior system.

    • I guess they got me on one thing, the AR style thumb safety. I guess you can’t get that on an AK.
      Oh, no, I’m wrong. Here is a thumb safety for your AK: http://www.sniperhandle.com/p1.html

    • Nice. Owned and well said.

    • I was going to launch a similar rant on the number of rifles offered in 7.62×39, but then I had to shovel the driveway.

      When I came back in, I just didn’t have the energy to fulminate with the required puissance.

      • Hey! Eschew obfuscation, espouse elucidation!

    • AR10 stocks and not AR-15 stocks? What does that mean? You can put any AR-15 stock on a 308 platform, the difference is in the buffer and spring NOT the tubes. AR10’s use the same A2 or carbine buffer tubes that AR-15’s use.

      The trigger can be swapped out for a Geissele or drop in trigger and we all know that AR triggers are FAR better than AK triggers. The grip, the rail (any DMPS LR308 high profile rails will fit), the charging handle latch (can be swapped for an extended latch), the takedown and pivot pins are 308 patterned, the continuous top rail and hand guard are much better to mount optics to than a side mounted AK rail or top cover rail which don’t hold 0 all that well.

      You don’t need rail sections to attach anything to a keymod rail, that defeats it’s purpose. You buy direct attach keymod accessories like fore grips, hand stops, light mounts, etc. The DI system allowed them to make the rifle much lighter and it is a PROVEN and battle tested system, you’re acting like it’s piston or nothing. DI is also more accurate of a system and recoil is reduced quite a bit. Plenty of torture tests have been done on this rifle and were successful.

      They made a platform that is very accurate and SUB-moa capable with surpuls ammo, it is relatively lightweight at 7lbs, they used beefed up AR10 parts such as the bolt and barrel as well as receivers and went down to 7.62×39 rather than using AR-15 parts and building them up so it is over-engineered. It takes just about ANY AK mags, which is something MGI couldn’t successfully do with their 7.62×39 AR-15 heap of junk.

      Shit, for some of us it isn’t an “either or” thing. I own several AR’s and several AK’s. At least this is something actually new instead of a company saying “Oh hey look at our new grip texture on our pistol we’ve been selling for decades now!” “Hey look at our new AR-15 platform which is just like the millions of other Xerox M4rgeries out there!” Can’t please everyone….

14. “CMMG has broken the code. The long standing wall between AR and AK loyalists has fallen.”

    Ummmmmmm no. The mutant isn’t an AK enough for AK loyalists and it’s blasphemy to the AR loyalist. The wall is stronger then ever.

15. Looks like the rifle used on the Cat Shit One anime:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocalypse_Meow#Anime

    In the Anime they show a prototype AR designed to use AK magazines. In Afghanistan, troops would return with very little of their own ammunition but with backbacks containing lots of AK magazines from the opposition.

16. If I want a reliable, good to 200 meters gun in 7.62x 39 I will get an AK 47. Beyond 200 meters an m1A. The M4 platform in 7.62×39…..pass on all of them and 5.56 too. I have too much time with a M4 to ever want that crap again. Not trying to offend anyone who loves the AR platform.

17. Bought a used one. I’ll shoot about 400 rounds of wolf and tulammo mix in one desert trip. No serious fouling issues. Got rid of adjustable stock as it got loose, never have seen the point of them anyway unless you are bundled up for the cold and length of pull needs changed.
    Rifle is far more accurate than any ak or sks I’ve owned and I’ve owned several, no kit guns either.
    Never been a fan of ar or m16a1. 5.56×45 is seriously lacking round.
    Only issue I don’t like is that rifle will not function with any mags but tapco or pmags.

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