The DA/SA thing was never attractive to me (until I shot the P229 Legion) but I can see why it appeals to some shooters. I am, however, a big fan of single stack 9mm pistols. I like their relative slimness, their lighter weight and easy carriability (if that’s a word). Now jumping back into the 9mm single stack game is SIG SAUER with the reintroduction of the P225. Here’s their press release . . .
SIG SAUER® Reintroduces the P225 Platform
NEWINGTON, N.H. (November 5, 2015) — SIG SAUER, Inc., has returned the venerable P225® pistol to its catalog and is now shipping the classic handgun to dealers and distributors.
The P225-A1 retains the exceptional look and feel of the original P225, but features an enhanced trigger and the precision manufacturing and quality from the state-of-the-art SIG SAUER® facility.
“We set out to re-create the fantastic ergonomics of the P225, but we also wanted to make the best P225 ever built,” said John Brasseur, Director of Product Management for SIG SAUER, Inc. “While the original West German P225 was a fantastic pistol, the degree of precision and accuracy we can obtain now makes this the ultimate expression of the P225.”
The P225-A1 is a single-stack 9mm pistol with the time-tested double-action/single-action trigger system. A fully machined stainless steel slide is finished in the durable Nitron® finish. A hard coat anodized frame sports two-piece grips with the SIG mark medallion.
With a lineage as the long-time handgun of the West German police, and a popular concealed carry option in the American market, the P225-A1 is a time-tested performer. The slim slide profile and shorter barrel length is easy to carry yet retains the familiar controls of its full-size batterymate the P226®.
Featuring the accuracy, reliability and durability of all SIG SAUER products, the P225-A1 combines the elements of the company’s history with the cutting-edge manufacturing of modern day SIG.
The P225-A1 is now shipping and available at SIG SAUER dealers across the country.
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As much a fan boy as I can be for Sig, I’ll have to pass. Over $1,000 msrp for an 8 shot 9mm?
I’m sure the ergos are probably better than my p938 and it probably fills the hand a bit more, and also I’m sure it will shoot very well, but not worth it I don’t think.
Sure, that’s kinda an apples to oranges comparison, but the p938 is a fair chunk cheaper, shoots very, very well, and holds only one less round with the finger extension magazine (its also stupid simple to conceal, even with that magazine).
I’ll give it a fair chance if I get the opportunity to shoot one, but I’m not laying down the cash myself. No sir.
What they need to do is make a .50AE 😛
I love sig but for a single stack nine I’ll take a Walther ccp less than half the price . Shoots great and I enjoy the trigger
I also had a 938. I loved it dearly, but was uncomfortable with one in the pipe, and the hammer cocked. I’ve always liked double action auto loaders. I think safer to carry, but gives you that nothing to do but pull the trigger feeling. Also like the second strike capability.
I recently traded the 938 for a Ruger SLR. If I had the training that would give me confidence with the 938, I would have kept it.
I’m with you on the price. The gun might be worth the money, but I could by three SLR’s for that wad of cash.
May i ask what a Ruger SLR is?
interesting… what’s the value-add over the P239?
my thoughts exactly.
I was wondering that too. And then there’s the P224 (but it’s a double stack).
Yeah, why is Sig “reintroducing” this gun when they already have the 239? Which is a 9mm/.40 single stack of similar dimensions.
P239 is also chambered in 357Sig.
The 40 can switch back and forth with just a barrel & Mag change.
I carried one for years, but it is quite heavy for EDC.
+1
239’s shoot great and are easier to conceal for the same mag capacity.
Don’t get me wrong, I would love a 225, but I don’t see the application over other offerings.
SRT and ergonomics mostly. I think the weight of the 225 provides more accuracy.
On paper the specs line up, but I think the 225 will ultimately put an end to the production of 239.
Too expensive regardless of its undeniable good quality. The P 226 and the P 239 can cost almost $400.00 less. Knowing this, who would go for a P 225 unless he or she wants to just burn money. Since it offers no obvious advantage, I guess I’ll keep my P 226 and consider the P 239 because it is an easily concealable single stack. The German Polizei are issued their P 225’s and they have no need to buy it.
It much more expensive and still fatter than most single stack 9mm pistols on the market.
Can Sig not make fat guns?
Where are you finding NIB 226’s for $400 less!
Interesting, but I’m saving up for the 229 Legion in 9mm.
go home sig, youre drunk
I have the P6 that I picked up for 300 bucks, slim, trim, and accurate… Nice firearm wouldn’t trade it for a new P225…:>)
My M&P 9mm compact at 12 and one in the pipe is a better option for the dollar.
Sig wants the consumer to dig deep but I won’t.
While I personally love the looks of the Legion series G10 grips and the enhanced Grayguns triggers, the plain old Nitron finish beats the gray ones in my estimation. Sigs have always been expensive but their MSRP is creeping up to some pretty rare air. Hopefully dealer prices will be more competitive. I’m personally looking forward to a P229 in .40 and kind of wondering if the grips and trigger can be retrofitted to an older gun by any chance. Brand loyalty may drive some sales but dangit, I’m not made of money.
Tom
Reintroduced, not new, will it be available in CA?
Best joke of the day. In a word: no
I try. Honestly, it should be, because it’s not new.
An utterly reliable, totally useful Ruger P95 can be had for $900 less. SIG must be smoking crack to ask $1236 for this gun—especially when any intelligent customer could use the money to purchase 2 or 3 Glocks instead.
+1
People who buy Bentleys instead of Lexuses (Lexi?) don’t always, as a necessity, do so out of lack of intelligence. Perhaps Sig marketers looked at the current upswing in Open, as opposed to the past few decades’ concealed, carry, and reckoned it may be a good time to reintroduce a pedigreed gun. A gun hipsters could be proud to display on their hips (pun???), to go with their union shop designer jeans and Hermes holster.
For SiG fans only. Longer, wider, taller and heavier than the XD/m compact with a shorter barrel and less capacity. It is also almost twice the price. I’d even go with a G-26 before buying this pig and everybody knows how I feel about Glock [im]perfection.
Wonder if the mags will be compatible with the older versions. Mags for my P6 are getting rare and expensive.
Nope, seems to use a P239 magazine body with a different floorplate, also uses a P239 barrel.
So…not really a P225 then? This + price = double fail.
Too expensive and too heavy for a single stack 9, but I do like the DA/SA. Never been a fan of placing the decocker in the exact same place every other auto has a slide lock release, though. And the fanboys who can’t pass up a chance to trash Beretta. And the Mosquito. I’ll pass.
Without the P225’s distinctive square trigger guard, it’s not the same…
This…. It’s just not the same…and NO WAY IN HELL I’d pay ANYTHING close to that rediculous MSRP…..I have my ANIB P225 to shoot and my most EXCELLENT $400 PPS to carry.
239 is much cheaper, even in the SAS model with the SRT package. Did Sig forget they had the 239?
I am marveling that this thing is that fat. And a thousand bucks.
Love SIG… but huh?
My P226 is great, and I conceal carry a M&P Shield that’s lighter, cheaper, slimmer, and carries only 1 less round.
Not too mention you can buy surplus P225 pistols on the cheap.
At the risk of not following the rest of the crowd,I love it and can’t wait to buy it. Love my sigs and my walthers. I buy what I like,and I like these two brands. I never got into shooting expecting to save money for my hobby. I am a transmission mechanic for one of the big three. My mindset for firearms is like building a high performance car. If money is a concern then you need to limit the type of hobby you have. I am in a position of good wealth by putting myself through school to get a good money making career to enjoy shooting many high end guns without ever having to settle.
OK, but there is still the problem of weight. This thing is heavy, especially when you consider the low capacity magazine. High price + high weight = low sales for sure.
I’m glad I’m a cheap bastidge. I liked the 239, but I already had a Makarov.
Speaking of which….I, in my own glorious cheapness, have taken to scrounging in the mud, gravel, and all manner of nooks and crannies every time I go to the local range with a gopher tool (a real backsaver if ever there was one). Of course I pick up all my brass and count it plus anything else that’s not rimfire or steel case. Last trip I shot only .40S&W but found several 9x19mm, 9x17mm, and…9x18mm. Yep, 9mm Makarov. Alas, it was steel case. But what a pain to pick through two or three hundred shells and read every headstamp! I don’t reload yet, but it’s easy enough to see how a 9mmx18 could get into your 9×17 reloads and x19 into your x18, with potentially spectacular results.
I had a Bulgarian Makarov once upon a time way back in the late 90’s but sold it when I couldn’t find any non-corrosive ammo. I wish I had not given up on it so easily, but ehhh, live and learn.
Tom
I would never blow over a grand on this pistol, I don’t care if the German Police carry them, who cares? I don’t have any respect for the German Police, what the hell have they done lately, except act as ushers for the Jihadi flooding and stampeding their former country, thanks to Granny Merkel.
So it’s a huge, ugly, expensive Star M43 9mm?
Why does anybody buy Sig again?
Don’t be Saur on Sig… Not every swing is a hit but at least they keep swinging!
I like the P238, but they don’t make a single gun I would actually buy. As a person on a budget (like most human beings) I can think of a cheaper alternative to everything they make that would be just as good.
I like the P290 better, honestly.
Remember when the original German P225’s were being improted (albeit used) for less than $400? ABout 2008 or 2009 I think. Man I am still kicking myself for that one.
The original 225 had IMHO the best out of the box trigger of any compact pistol, save for a 1911 variant. FOr this price, well, Sig is pricing themselves out of the market…again.
Two friends and I picked up new P225s (ordered 3 in sequential S/N#) going 26 years back. They have performed admirably over the years and I carried mine for years in both a shoulder rig and small of back before I retired from LE. The only small gripe I had at the time was the physically shorter trigger was a few lbs heavier than my P226 (all three of our P225s were heavier pulls than our 226s). Still have it today, still shoot it quite a bit, but it is so much heavier in a world of compact 9MMs like my Shield.
Still just like how it feels though.
They made a huge mistake. Using 239 mags, by not allowing full compatibility they just made all the previous mags for 239 totally useless to use. Cross compatibility is very handy, but most likely they’re trying to save money by preventing compatibility. All they had to do was remove 2-3mm of material off the frame(to allow the mag to lock freely), keep the length of the grips, thus allowing all the mags currently in inventory available to be sole either way.
second issue, why bother releasing two models that are basically doing the same thing? only fractions of inches? Who’d want to carry a full size pistol with limited cap if you can carry a compact pistol that’s easier to carry? makes no sense.
2-3MM could be dealt with using a baseplate adapting one mag to another. Chance for them to sell some extras, surprised they didn’t tackle it that way.
I was actually looking forward to perhaps picking up a few ‘new’ P225 mags at a slightly cheaper price than my soul. (though I did pick up a few from TGS a few years back for $34 each, that was nice). Guess the old 225 will just have to keep running on the handful I have.
Way too much. Picked up a used one for less than half that, and concealed carry it – I can conceal long and tall but not thick guns. Controls and ergonomics are identical to the 226 (home pistol) and I have a 226 airsoft replica for training. I’d be willing to pay $800 new, tops.
I have seen it for $850 new
I’m not sure who would buy this. At that price point you get into quality made 9mm 1911’s that boast a 10 round magazine. Who are they making this for? Folks in NY/CA?
No thanks. I want to like Sig, but their handguns just don’t compete with the other options out there. Even their very cool MPX loses value when you can’t buy mags for it.
finally, the search for the wife a gun is over.
*ahem*
3913. Single stack DA-SA.
+/_ $400 used.
Works for me…
Can’t see any upside with this pistol against its competitors.
Is the purpose of the P225 to offer a gun to those who live in states that have magazine capacity limits? Why bother producing a gun that can only hold 8 bullets when you can easily limit the bullet capacity with a magazine? Do you know anybody who complains about having too many bullets? Do you know anybody who demands that their magazine can hold only 8 bullets?
They’ve already had the P239 for like 20 years now. The P225/P6 is a classic handgun, and is sort of the “milsurp” SIG that lots of people own for the cool factor. I thought this would be a reintroduction of classic German 9mm P220 with the heel mag-release, not just a P226 “Carry” with reduced capacity.
>1911-style mag release
WHAT IS THIS CRAP? A P225 IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE A HEEL-MOUNTED MAG RELEASE! THIS IS JUST A SINGLE-STACK P226!
I sometimes feel like I’m the only one who doesn’t get the whole single stack 9mm thing. Doesn’t it defeat the purpose of carrying a 9mm to begin with to limit the capacity in such a way? I think the concept is lost on me.
Just think of SIG as a verb and it’ll all make sense. Like, “When I bent over to get $1236 from my wallet, I got SIGGED.” Or, “You want $1236 for this hunk of sucker rod? SIG you, man!” Yep. It may be time for SIG to SIG off.
SIG Sauer is run by a guy named Cohen, so saying things like that is anti-Semitic. :^)
Dan Zimmerman, you have said stated many things I have agreed with in the past, but I’m going to throw you under the bus on your likes of actions, and I hope, your choices have changed permanently before my comments come into play.
Ignoring the historical development and going on today’s uses, we need to look at what we have, single action revolvers are essentially for the hunting and target realm, they dont belong in combat and are last case and as such really should not be thought of as defensive firearms, anymore than a car is a defensive weapon. This is why we see so many double action only revolvers. Personally DAO revolvers are a waste, semi shroud the hammer so it doesnt snag but still can be cocked ad you have it right, cutting that trigger pull by more than half all too often can give the accuracy you need when it just isnt available, after all in TRUE combat shooting (firefights) there is no script. we need say no more on revolvers since all the rest is implied and can be synthesized from there. (any arguments on revolvers will be the result of the lack of proper logic skills) On to auto pistols. you stated you previously didnt like SA/DA triggers. Well Apparently you didnt think that through in the past (as I said earlier I hope this pistol has changed things). Striker fired DAO pistols not withstanding, as they are actually a form of single action pistols, Single action hand guns such as the 1911, really are predominantly designed for military type combat shooting, not civilian defensive shooting. The carrying of a cocked hammer fired single action on concealment holsters isnt the greatest or safest method of carry for personal defense. Even with the SA/DA M9 in combat zones in the War on terror there is a constant issue with dropped handguns in non combat situations, with approved holsters and nonapproved Paki shoulder rigs, So despite the fact I’ve carried a 1911 Colt Commander for decades, I cant recommend this for the average SKILLED handgun carrier. for the average defensive concealed carrier, the modern “dao” striker fired handgun is the best bet, typically equipped with a “safe trigger” and longer trigger pull and slightly heavier but not too much so. BUT there is a better choice for a true firearm expert, and that is the true sa/da trigger. we are mostly familiar with the Beretta M9/model 92. While I find a handful of faults with the gun itself, not so many that I have equipped my entire immediate family with Model 92’s both for target and personal defense. It isnt an ideal concealed carry piece, but then again that wasnt the main intent for my choice. Choosing a concealed carry piece is like choosing underwear, extremely personal. But on to the trigger type. Being able to carry hammer down, chambered, with that first round available with a long pull is not all that different than every round of a dao “safe trigger” striker fired hand gun. Glock being the most well known of these. but for the experienced, expert shooter, comes the fact that every pull there after is the sweet and short single action release, just like that of the time proven 1911. Walther brought this design to the eyes of the world with their P38 during WWII. While oversized and under capacity it was popular with german military well into the 80’s. Staying with the 1911 proved wise for the US, and while we could engage in caliber politics, my comment is based on field serviceability alone. with the parts count being lower and no need to take it down to the the smallest springs and plungers due to modular design, even though it would work filty, it could be cleaned almost spotless in a foxhole by pulling the slide and the mainspring housing. This benefit again made the Single Action design more suitable to military combat where a nor complicated SA/DA didnt, AT THE TIME. Today we have the means around that, with pressurized cleaners, heavy supply logistics and if necessary immediate swapout with backup troops to take care of the mechanical failures and get the weapon back in action in short order, add to this the heavily motorized infantry, we arent a marching military anymore. So when we look at our firearms as duty specific we can then put the proper handgun in the correct hands based on the skill level of the shooter. As an example I retired my edc Colt Commander, and put it in my custom work rack (MY work) and replaced it with a Springfield Arms sub compact XD40. In the heat of summer I still carry a custom P-64. that has had extensive trigger and custom spring work. again the trigger matters.
I love my vintage p6/225 sig west German police issue. I have other pistols that hold more and are lighter but this one just feels so good to shoot and it is more accurate then I am by far. These are truly hell and back guns. The fitment and reliability is what sig sauer was known for then. Now it seems not so much. With rampant talk about quality control issues and broken promises on their products (556xi caliber conversion kits never appearing) I was really hoping that when I heard the 225 was being re-released that it would signal a return to the old quality . Yet they changed it. It isn’t a 225 it’s a new piece trying to trade on the reputation of the orginal . Different trigger guard and why did they have to redesign the mags? I can understand perhaps updating the floor plates but make them backwards compatible with the orginal at least . It’s like releasing a 226 with different mags or releasing the m16 but it now takes a different mag. Stupid. I am luck to have 10 orginal factor mags for my p6/225 and they all work flawlessly . I still would have liked to get a new one or 2. Perhaps just the baseplates if they had been updated.
Come on sig don’t reintroduce something iconic and screw it up like this
Love the P225. The small grip, thanks to the single-stack magazine, fits the hand of shooters with smaller hands much better than pistols with double-stack magazines like the P226. The low-capacity magazine also helps reduce the incidence of ‘spray and pray’ syndrome’ which is common in pistols that hold 10 or more rounds. ‘Firepower’ is only a substantive factor in gunfights when you have a fully automatic weapon like an MP5 SMG.
With semi-auto pistols accuracy is the most important factor. Sometimes less is more. The P6 (P225) is still one of the most widely used service pistols in Europe. An excellent choice for police departments who want a service pistol that is readily concealable for use by detectives and off-duty police. That said, a slide mounted safety catch (like the one on the Mosquito) to help stop gun snatchers using them would be a nice option.
Couldn’t agree more with that post.
Just bought the new P225 from Vizards Arms and Ammo for $852. No night sites but so what
Picked one up, great ergo’s but certainly a bit large and heavy for a single stacked 9mm, no more than a 239 but better in the ergo department. Goes well in my Sig collection, including 220, 226’s, M11A1, etc, etc. Well done Sig, another excellent gun.
Bought one tonight. Excellent feel and HIGH quality. Not the run of the mill 9 mm. Not best gun if your looking to stay cheap.
Handled the 225 in the a gun shop the day it arrived. The ergonomics are perfect.
I believe you get what you pay for with the premium price of the Sig. I am not one to undercut my local shop, but I do agree $1200 asking price is steep. It can be had online NIB for $850 and, to me, worth more than that.
Those that say it’s a redundant profile with 239-have probably not handled them both. The 239 never really caught on.
Posts that mention you can have surplus P6’s/ P225s for cheap do make a good point though.
Lutz’s post is spot on IMO
I just picked one up for $870 and I love it. Sure traveling out of town I’ll carry a 13 round 40 cal. But for day to day around town I love it.
I bought one for 899 with night sights at my local gun shop. Absolutely love it. For me it is ergonomics. I compete with a 226 and shoot about 4000 rounds per year. I can carry my 225 and it is pure muscle memory and reflex for dead on accuracy. No need to use the sights, just look and shoot.
As where most single stack 9’s were developed as cc weapons, this is a full on combat fighting pistol in a concealable, ergonomic and highly accurate design.
Makes no sense compared to 239, esp when 10 round 9mm factory mags are (were) available for 239–and you can still get used 239’s for cheap $$$$ !! DMD
Having looked closer at the P225-A1 I was disappointed to find that it uses a P239 magazine but with a plastic extension/baseplate to make it compatible with the taller grip of the former pistol, which strikes me as a weak point. Not impressed. Had they made the steel body of the magazine a little longer they might not have been able to squeeze in another round but it would have reduced the spring pressure so there was less likelihood of the magazine spring suffering metal fatigue.
I am not impressed by the styling of the front section of the frame which looks like a dumbed down version of the P229 and will NOT fit many P229 holsters due to the different profile. It was bad enough that they changed the look from the original P225 (the best looking combat pistol ever IMO), but they compounded this error by not making it compatible with all P229 holsters despite not having a good reason to do so other than make more money selling P225-A1 holsters.
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