[New York State Sheriff’s Association Executive Director Peter] Kehoe says some of the gun laws recently signed by the governor go too far, including the social media review requirement.
Starting April 1, concealed carry permit applicants will have to hand over access to their last three years of social media activity.
“In order to exercise your constitutional right to a concealed carry weapon, you must let the government rummage around in all the stuff you’ve ever said to see if there’s anything that we don’t like,” said Kehoe.
Kehoe says agencies don’t have the time or money to enforce this, and he believes it infringes on rights.
He also emphasized that there’s no gauge for what they’re looking for once the accounts are turned over.
When asked if he thinks local law enforcement will look at the social media accounts, Kehoe agreed, saying, “Exactly. So, again it’s putting an impossible burden on law enforcement. They’re telling us that we’ve got to do something that we don’t have the resources to do.”
— Mary Kielar in NYS Sheriff’s Association on Concealed Carry Social Media Review Law: “It’s Wrong”
At least 2 of my neighboring counties are fast tracking removing restrictions (issuing a cc to someone who already has a pistol permit that is not cc) to attempt to not have as much of this nonsense while it is pending injunction/ruling. The background check on ammo is going to be another fun one for the state police (also don’t have time for that). Oh and the semi auto rifle license process…………..yeah gun control is going to be a rather narrow field once the initial legal challenges get moving.
And if you don’t Facebook or tweet then what? I’m not an attention whore. Guess I can’t have a permit
Oh even better when you have one but haven’t posted in the better part of a decade when they only get 3 years to go back and check.
Exactly. Social (Marxist) Media is a massive festering boil on the butt of society.
🤔……………sorta like what lil’d, whiner49er, all hail, pg2………and their many ‘shape shifting’ personas are to TTAG.
It’ll get REAL interesting if the Musk/Twitter legal battle reaches ‘discovery’ phase.
Twitter will have to disclose to the Musk camp how many accounts are ACTUALLY real people. 🤣🍿🍿.
Exactly. I’ve never had social media, aside from a linkedin account I might check for occasional employment opportunities. I have better things to do with my time.
And isn’t it a violation of the SM platform’s terms of service to allow access by third parties?
Damned if you do and damned if you don’t.
Exactly. Social Media is a massive cesspool.
It’ll get REAL interesting if the Musk/Twitter legal battle reaches ‘discovery’ phase.
Twitter will have to disclose to the Musk camp how many accounts are ACTUALLY real people. 🤣🍿.
Had one ages ago, built a sort of semi-accurate profile without any real specifics, but never really active. Disabled & removed when privacy policies changed to become invasive, back in the day when they honored the request, & you could still get your dossier purged legitimately, nearing 2 decades ago.
Been stumping for privacy advocacy ever since, among all other Rights.
You’ll have to get one. Just open one up and sing Karl Marx’s praises. They’ll fast track your application.
You’re on social media with this post
You’re on social media with your post..
Where are the 1st amendment protections the left is so fond of? How about this, social media search before you get your voter registration card. Bet the left would love that.
Good point. Suppose you apply for a parade permit or the like (e.g., you want to rent a town hall to conduct a debate on the merits of some social issue). Can you be compelled to produce social media activity to ascertain your suitability to speak or assemble?
Gadsden Flag,
I was going to share the same sentiment.
Imagine the Progressive wailing and gnashing of teeth if a mother had to get a permit to kill the baby in her womb (a.k.a. abort her baby) and that permit required police to review the last three years of her social media accounts.
Similarly, imagine the Progressive wailing and gnashing of teeth if a voter had to get a permit to petition government for a redress of grievances and that permit required police to review the last three years of that voter’s social media accounts.
If it wasn’t for double standards, Progressives would not have any standards at all.
It’s not really about CAN or CANNOT provide the nessessary Social Media information. It’s about if there is a incident they will bloody well have too. If they cannot then they have obtained a firearm illegally. It is impossible for the authorities to check the iegallity, or otherwise, of ANY licensing licensing process at any one time and most checks are only done when there is a nessessity. All policing in a democracy depends avbove all else on two things ONNE Public Consent and TWO public co-operation . LAW is a matter for the ELECTED LEGISLATURE put in place by the public. The POLICE are neither Judge nor Jury. They are only by consent the intruments of compliance. They are also the instrument of PREVENTION and the issuing of LICENSE is but one part of that method.
I do not have to provide evidence of NOT speeding on somer dark and lonely road at midnight do I ? Only if, by chance or design, I’m ‘flashed’ or have been involved in an incident.
I personally do not see the problem after all if this action is the wish of the voting majority then so be it. It is always, in the fullness of time, possible to reverse those wishes if there is enough public support is there not??
I personally do not see the problem after all if this action is the wish of the voting majority then so be it.
Rights are not subject to a majority decision. Period. Full Stop. As Saint Thomas indicated, these overreaches would not be tolerated for other Rights. Plain and simple, this is Gestapo tactics. Might as well wear an armband and shave our heads.
but this is NOT “the wish of the voting majority”. This is a whle cloth fabrication by the ruling class, mad as riled up hornets because they’re now forced to issue the Mother May I Cards to ordinary citizens instead of only their crones. The public never were allowed to vote on this debacle. If they did, we’d not be having this discussion, it would have gone down like the Lusitania.
@Albert
You haven’t the slightest idea of what its about.
“All policing in a democracy depends avbove all else on two things ONNE Public Consent and TWO public co-operation …. They are only by consent the intruments of compliance.
And you keep saying this. Its not true about the U.S. ..
1. that’s how it works in the U.K. because the U.K. is a modern day version of tyranny.
2. In the U.S. the constitution places the power of government in the hands of the people, the government is suppose to only exercise that power if given by the people. We do this by electing/appointing officials to carry out ‘police functions’ not give them ‘consent’ to police. They police by the will of the people, not the consent of the people. In the U.S. policing does not happen because the people cooperate, it happens because the will of the people has decided it should be.
3. And once again, the United States is not a “democracy”, it is a constitutional republic with a representative democracy type of government.
“I personally do not see the problem after all if this action is the wish of the voting majority then so be it.”
This is not the wish of the “voting majority”. There was no vote allowed. The election of officials to office does not imply or mean something to be the wish of the “voting majority” simply because they are in office. The state is doing this because they want to.
“It is impossible for the authorities to check the iegallity, or otherwise, of ANY licensing licensing process at any one time and most checks are only done when there is a nessessity.”
That’s directly opposite of what New York claims in court and their reasoning for their defiant and unconstitutional actions now.
@Albert
“I personally do not see the problem after all if this action is the wish of the voting majority then so be it.”
Now, on the subject of rights… constitutional rights are not subject to a majority decision from voting. It doesn’t matter what the wish of the majority is, constitutional rights are constitutional rights.
and unfortunately, our federal government (and in some states governments too like New York for example) – these governments are trying to be their own power and bypass the constitution and the will of the people thus usurp the power of the people to control government power.
The Constitution and our founders never at any time allowed for our government(s) to exercise power it did not have. That’s what is happening today, the federal and some states government are trying to be their own power (like your government does in the U.K.) and that is a form of tyranny.
You guys are wasting your time trying to explain things to Prince Albert. We tried to explain it to King George. He couldn’t wrap his diseased brain around it. So we poured black powder and lead down our muzzles and delivered the the lead to the British, express, until he did understand.
Gadsden Flag,
King George and his modern day equivalents are fully able to wrap their brains around the concepts: they just don’t care.
Saying it another way, King George and his successors have no timeless standards of wrong-versus-right nor inherent human dignity; they simply want what they want and will take it by force if they can.
best thing to do is toputPrince Albert back into his can. This time, solder the lid shut so he can’t escape again. Keep his brit sense of “justice” on his side the Puddle. We kicked them out.. twice. And don’t want to do that again, but will if we have to.
The best thing to do with Albert is drop him in the middle of the atlantic ocean, just him and nothing else.
@ .40
Don’t forget the chum.
Albert: Did you attend the Kamala school of word salad structure? What a fucking jumble of ignorance. What the hell do you know (obviously nothing) about what is checked or NOT checked? I went through a process that took three weeks to get my CC in a “shall issue” state and even had to provide additional documents to prove that I was not a known felon (same name) that was twenty years younger than me with a different birthdate AND a different fucking social security number, I would say that they did a very thorough background check on me. Once again you have inserted your dumbass uninformed opinion into a discussion that has nothing what-so-ever to do with you.
You live in the UK what’s your dog in this fight Albert.
These American infringements doesn’t affect you.
Albert Hall replys:
possum I thought you were smarter then that, you know I’m just dacian in drag.
Albert: this is not the UK, Australia or Canada. We fought and won a revolution to keep government from interfering with our rights, enumerated and historic.
HTH
Evidently we didnt fight hard enough, or should have continued the fight.
I see no rights that haven’t been turned to privalages.
The problem with Albert, is he doesn’t know what’s going on. Just drop him in inner city Chicago for a week. If he’s still alive, he’ll be a die hard 2A rights guy. He’ll step out of there saying “F the majority!” LOL
“In order to exercise your constitutional right to a concealed carry weapon, you must let the government rummage around in all the stuff you’ve ever said to see if there’s anything that we don’t like,”
So… still may-issue and not shall-issue despite calling it shall-issue
“Kehoe says … ,and he believes it infringes on rights.”
At least this guy gets it, somewhat.
Pretty sure that’s a feature not a bug.
The applicant will just have to wait two or more years for the cops to get around to it.
I recall somebody said something once about right being delayed. He was shot by a Democrat.
+ 1
Exactly my thought. The police do not have the resources to review all that crap–and the Legislature won’t give them any extra funding either. Working exactly as intended. The more clogged the system, the better.
Now NY probably could institute their ammo registration law–California did. But it cost California gun buyers $50 million in additional fees added to the cost of the Dealer Record of Sale, the cost of which jumped from $25 to $37.17 , which included the theft of $5 million in excess DROS fees the state had already accumulated. It got off to a rocky start, but seems to be working pretty well now. It is still ridiculous, and the information gathered (which includes manufacturer, caliber, bullet weight, amount, velocity data, and intended use) is utterly useless.
“Exactly my thought. The police do not have the resources to review all that crap–and the Legislature won’t give them any extra funding either. Working exactly as intended. The more clogged the system, the better.”
Mark, (and everyone else), you’re missing the obvious –
Shannon Watts and her little Leftist Scum ™ friends will be *happy* to volunteer their time to make sure only the good (gag) Leftist Scum ™ get those permits, and ensure none of us are allowed those permits to carry.
Anyone care to wager that’s what ends up happening? 🙁
(I just hope St. Thomas & Co. send a message from on high for them to knock that crap off…)
EDIT –
“Now NY probably could institute their ammo registration law–California did.”
No-go, there was no such thing as ammo registration in the late 1700s…
Well, pass constitutional carry and get rid of the BS like our state and by the way we do not have mass shootings.
It will be a bit over here before gun rights get improved by legislation vs court order, we have over a century of democrat rule to sort out and a supermajority to break first.
Yes, we lived in PA for 64 years and we moved two years ago to Tennessee , I can’t imagine what New York is like to live there. It is way worse than Pennsylvania. But I have no regrets of moving to a red state,We love freedom, no regulations and low taxes.
Make sure your neighbors know many are moving from my/other blue states to TN and will vote to take that away if left to their own devices. Will want to have somewhere to retire to where I will not get murdered in a nursing home/hospital for a flu later in life. As to imagining NY think living in Philly and increase the taxes, keep the fines and rent about the same, make it harder to own pistols and even harder to defend yourself. Those are the “freeish” areas of NY with NYC being much worse on all fronts.
In the book “Negroes and the gun, the black tradition of Arms” ( 2014) , the author Nicholas Johnson recounts the stories of White liberals from the northeastern states. Who would come to the South to work for civil rights. By helping blacks to get registered to vote. But these white liberals from New York City and other places told the blacks, they should not have guns.
The same Black people who had regularly been threatened by the Klu Klux Klan. Where crosses were burned near where they live. Or on their on lawns. Actions that the white liberals would later support in court.
The blacks told these white liberals they would never give up their guns. And they should leave and go back where they came from, if that was the price blacks had to pay for white people “helping them”.
And now in the 21st century most of the former Confederate States of America have constitutional carry. And in the former “enlightened liberal” states slavery is growing.
It seems privacy only exists when the issue is about abortion. In the minds of liberals.
It seems privacy only exists when the issue is about abortion.
What’s interesting about this point is that HIPAA effectively codified health privacy matters, to include abortions. That is, it is generally unlawful for a law-enforcement agency to request PHI/PII without a court order.
yet every two bit gummit poohbah demands you to prove your “vaccination status as a precondition to entry into their fiefdom. Mantion HIPPA laws prohibiting that and see how “compliant” they get.
That’s a fair point; I believe my companies response to that was along the lines of “we don’t provide general medical services, so HIPAA doesn’t apply to us”.
Regardless, it was a shady, trending towards wrong, process, especially when people were forced to quit as a result.
lines of “we don’t provide general medical services, so HIPAA doesn’t apply to us”.
HIPAA doe not only apply to medical providers. HIPAA denies access to YOUR personal medical records without YOUR specific permission by anyone. A business can require that you be vaccinated to enter and that you show proof, however you are not required to display that proof and they are not required to permit you onto THEIR property. There is no law against ASKING for medical information the law only covers actual access to that information.
“What’s interesting about this point is that HIPAA effectively codified health privacy matters, to include abortions.”
H’mm. Aren’t the Leftist Scum ™ the one claiming ‘gun violence’ is a public health issue? If that’s true, then the records concerning guns and gun ownership are protected under HIPPA… 🙂
“If that’s true, then the records concerning guns and gun ownership are protected under HIPPA…”
Covid vaccination status isn’t covered by HIPPA, else there would have been at least one well-publicized law suit against government for demanding/permitting proof of vaccination status.
They don’t care about privacy. That was just a means to an end. They won’t think twice about putting out a national story of some poor young girl if they think it will help the abortion cause. That’s what they care about. Not privacy. Not a young rape victim.
those Noo Yawkers that flooded the South following the War of Norhtern Aggression were called Carpetbaggers, and nearly universally hated down there. Seems winning the military fight wasn’t enough. They felt it was their duty to also win the politica, cultiral, and moral wars. No wonder discrimination, largely established by those “baggers” persisted for another century.
Then act quickly in assimilating them. NY/NJ has already invaded FL, and CA is invading TX and AZ. The risk of bluing those states due to creation of blue urban hives is real.
“Then act quickly in assimilating them.”
Don’t assimilate Leftist Scum ™ like the Borg.
Better to abort them. It’s now a Right, isn’t it? 🙂
The people I know that have left Ca(for the most part) have left for political reasons, they never bought into the Woke BS. I am sure some have left to follow their jobs, but then again, they are not the Woke generation.
Even the senior citizens that leave usually do so for tax reasons.
That is the entire point isn’t it. The other aspect is the required face to face interview with a public official. Your appointment is set for August 1, 2024. Rights delayed, rights denied. Carry anyway, go to jail. Felon.
“Rights delayed, rights denied.”
Exactly. Such as submitting your CCW application to your local Sheriff who’s supposed to provide you with an up-or-down decision within 90 days, but after a full year you continue to wait while getting nothing but a generic “yes, we still have you on file” when you request a status.
Pay your taxes or traffic ticket late? Fines added to you!
TPTB is late getting what is rightfully yours to you? Too bad, sucker…
I think this delay issue is important to press.
When COVID arose, together with the riots, police departments shuttered their CWP windows. You couldn’t even apply, let alone have your application processed in a routine schedule. And this at a time when there was a heightened concern for personal security.
During this time my son, a physician, moved from one address to a second and then to a third. He hadn’t updated his CWP from the first to the second address, let alone to the third. And, when he was hard-pressed for time due to his work schedule, he couldn’t obtain a newly issued CWP.
No one thinks about these scenarios. Not only must the individual get a permit long before he needs it, but also, he must immediately have it re-issued when required due to a mere change of address.
The problem is compounded when a person moves across state lines. One should anticipate a lack of reciprocity among the states involved in the move. And, in any case, when a carrier moves from state A to state B, his carry permit in state A is apt to become invalid so that – if reciprocity existed – he might not enjoy it.
What state are you talking about ? You have PA ,in your screen name , I have PA,Fla,Utah and NY permits . The only one I have to update address,timely is NY . Then it’s a simple notification to the county clerk, who changes it on my permit and notifies the state police of the change .
The Supreme Court needs to hold the Governor in Contempt and put her sorry butt in prison til the Court can dump her laws! Carry Free NY, no limits, no government action necessary – All US Citizens can carry open or concealed in any state at any location without any government interference. God Bless the 2nd Amendment and the US Supreme Court!
Here here!
They tried to tie Facebook into this years ago. It’s ridiculous and a complete waste, not to mention pointless. But that’s likely the point.
I rarely post on fakebook except birthdays & anniversaries. It’s harder to connect the dots on something like TTAG but it’s crawling with trolls n bots so who knows(I’ve been impersonated here)? Fight the power. Do not submit. I won’t in ILLannoy. Dunno about NY.
“In order to exercise your constitutional right to a concealed carry weapon, you must let the government rummage around in all the stuff you’ve ever said to see if there’s anything that we don’t like.”
Yep. Say they check the past three years of your Facebook account and they find a post saying, “I’m feeling depressed.”
Cops & their politician masters will say, “Red flag! Deny that person their rights!”
But they don’t notice the person’s post from the previous day saying, “My mother just died,” and that’s why the person was depressed (who wouldn’t be?)
Personally, my last Facebook post was two months ago explaining why I was quitting Facebook. If I delete my account entirely, does that mean no CCW permit for me because they think I was “hiding evidence” or something?
Or is it the opposite — if someone whose Facebook account would have raised “red flags” simply deletes his Facebook account, then does that turns him into a model citizen who gets approved for a CCW?
Government snooping on social media is insane — it’s going to lead to good people being wrongly denied their rights, bad people simply deleting their social media accounts (or setting up fake accounts), and tyrannical government like Big Brother watching every word you say or write.
Dear Stuck: It’s difficult to get rid of a fakebook account entirely. I have an inactive one which was spamed & infiltrated so much I just told my “friends” go to my new one if you wish. Occasionally I visit my old one & it has all kinds of BS built up.
I can tell you from experience, that you’ll be happier if you give Facebook a fake name, along with all other fake details.
I can check up on my kids, I don’t make comments, likes, dislikes etc.
Also, Facebook tracking does not work on me. Facebook ads are not shown.
We could go into a long discussion, but to cut to the chase, Facebook only has vague ideas who I am.
@Paul
“I can tell you from experience, that you’ll be happier if you give Facebook a fake name, along with all other fake details.”
I can tell you from experience, that you’ll be happier if you never create an account to begin with.
@.40 cal. Exactly. I tried to tell my kids that, but it didn’t work. They created accounts anyway. I suspect that they have abandoned them for other social media accounts, but not having any, I have no idea. My wife has one, but she probably hasn’t been there in years.
too bad WE can;t much about in all the private correspondence of al candidates for ublic office as a precondition of their ability to stand for election to those offices. Turnabout’s fair, right?
{Facebook}
“If I delete my account entirely, does that mean no CCW permit for me because they think I was “hiding evidence” or something?”
I have heard of people who thought they totally deleted their account, only to discover later on when they decided to re-join, that Facebook ‘somehow’ hadn’t forgotten them at all, including *everything* they ever wrote there.
F-Book never forgets… 🙁
And even if you did……?
So,,, if my social media shows that I’m in a club that enjoys Nude-Underwater-Bingo,,, will that work for/against me in my pursuit of obtaining a carry permit in NY? (asking for a friend).
You need to join a few LGBT groups. Membership there will negate anything Democrats don’t like about your account. If you’re denied a permit, you can sue, claiming they are violating your gay rights.
“So,,, if my social media shows that I’m in a club that enjoys Nude-Underwater-Bingo,,, will that work for/against me in my pursuit of obtaining a carry permit in NY? (asking for a friend).”
Well, they don’t have a “wish you had never told us that” requirement.
Lol
All this just assumes there actually IS social media to go through.
I don’t live in NY but I’ve never had an account on Facebook, Twitter, TikTok, instagram, or any of that. There is this sight. But they could easily waste weeks looking for me in those other places.
“I don’t live in NY but I’ve never had an account on Facebook, Twitter, TikTok, instagram, or any of that.”
I have heard of people who recently joined Facebook, and were quite surprised when Facebook started offering ‘suggestions’ of people they knew in real life to add to their ‘friends’ list.
Even if you never join Facebook, Facebook knows a *lot* about you, who you know, etc. It’s genuinely scary… 🙁
The great thing about police is if they don’t actually “enforce the law” then no prosecution can be made.
So say the Sheriff is ordered to check…he has an investigator glance at the web…and says “Meh looks ok”
can they prove he didn’t do it?
Years ago we had a sweet grandmother in the projects…one night the drug boys drove by and made a threat to her Niece who was visiting…then one of them drew a gun (how he got it being a multiply convicted felon is Beyond me (LOL)) But granny drew a Mac 10…and proceeded to spray their car (semi auto) put out like 23 rounds…some hit the car and the occupants, some hit the neighbor houses…lol it was awesome. Two thugs went paws up at the scene one was paralyzed permanently and the fourth was charged with two counts of murder and one of Ag Assault for the people killed and wounded.
Granny was “arrested” then when the Grand jury met…the Investigators explained there were a few lapses. First the gun and bullets were “accidentally put in the shred file and destroyed (its a mistake ok). Then the Granny was arrested the arresting officer forgot to mirandize her thinking the detective that transported her would do it at the jail. The guy at the jail thought the detective at the scene had done it….Hence her statement could not be used.
And the final nail…. the interviews with the witnesses listed incorrect names and addresses and were damaged in a “accidental flood ” in the basement.
Result NO bill. WHAT A BUMMER
Meanwhile in free America 🇺🇸
Kindly keep it that way we need examples of how much better things can be.
How would this “checking” work if they actually did it? Would it depend on your honest reporting of accounts? Or would they give your details to the major platforms and ask them for a list of your accounts? The platforms don’t want to deal with that. Will social media accounts end up being like credit reporting?
… and the fourth amendment as well.
This is the kind of thing when idiots are elected and/or appointed to positions of authority. I hate to call Hochul a stupid kunt, but, if the shoe fits, it’s not my fault.
This is a non-story. So long as all private buildings are off limits unless they opt-in and violations are a felony, the permit isn’t worth the paper it’s written on. In what possible scenario would this permit have any practical use? Walking your dog? Checking the mail? Taking out the trash? That’s all I could think up. You effectively can’t leave your house and go into another building. I’m sure someone will say “just carry anyway”, but then you didn’t need the permit in the first place because it’s a felony either way.
Up side will make for wonderful courtroom arguments but yes it is disarmament by creating felons out of law abiding citizens/chilling the expression of a civil right.
Same story in California. Obviously unconstitutional, which they know but don’t care, as long as it delays the inevitable flood of concealed carriers and the rivers of blood guns in the streets will bring. Not only is it pointless to have a permit, mostly, it is intended to deter people from even applying in the first place. Almost all of the new requirements apply to renewals, and I’ll tell you, I was deterred. So glad I live in a town with so little violent crime.
It’s going to take some time (hopefully not too much time), but all of these new restrictions, plus many old ones will be litigated. Bruen establishes a rather clear test for constitutionality re: the 2nd amendment, and I foresee a lot of things getting struck down over the next several years.
Then again, leftists are cunning and deceitful creatures… look for many attempts to illegitimately interpret Bruen as a pro gun control ruling, from leftist lawyers and judges both.
Feature, not failure.
As is this: suspension of all licensing from 01Sep22 – 01Apr23; training courses are not standardized and approved by NYS. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6xMVYYkaZo)
And it seems that firearm permits must be approved by a local judge.( https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/as-new-york-gun-owners-rush-to-get-permits-local-officials-caution-hold-your-fire/ar-AAZd8qt)
Pistol permits in NY have long required approval by a local judge. The judge is, in fact, the issuing authority who would make determination of “proper cause,” which was struck down as unconstitutional in Bruen.
What changed is that NY judges, at risk of being shoved out of the 2A game entirely by SCOTUS, have been given new authority by the wicked witch of the north to scour social media posts to determine if a CCW applicant is “properly leftist enough for our liking,” which is known as the “would like to date AOC” test.
This is a standard that obviously, clearly, and belligerently passes the history and tradition test for the 2A, so obviously there’s no need to file a lawsuit over it, peasants. It’s also, in no way, a violation of anyone’s 1A rights either, so shut up about it or you can’t have a gun, see?
“…so shut up about it or you can’t have a gun, see?”
I was just talking hypothetically, not saying I believe it. Promise.
So, if I move to NY (like that would ever fucking happen) do I need to start a bunch of social media bullshit so I can pass their requirements? Never did any social media crap, wonder how they treat subscribers to “TRUTH SOCIAL”? Knowing how much they love 45 it would probably get an instant “denied”.
“So, if I move to NY (like that would ever fucking happen) do I need to start a bunch of social media bullshit so I can pass their requirements?”
TTAG is social media. Any online forums, venues, trading of thoughts are “social media”.
Not seeing how regulators will have the tools to identify every social outlet one can visit, and determine if a person has identified all their online activity.
I can “see” a federal requirement that everyone wanting membership in any online congregation must present identification credentials to the online host, as a requirement to use online forums.
And that requirement will be penned by the same folks who penned the regs allowing unlimited mail-in unverified ballots. Strych9’s correct, we’re in one hot mess.
“Strych9’s correct, we’re in one hot mess.”
He usually is.
As it stands, I am everyday within line of site of the clock running down; just when things are getting interesting. Unlikely I will see the end of the soap opera; rats.
Ooh! I see a golden opportunity here! Someone has to create a software program which posts dozens/hundreds/thousands of wonderful and flowery poetic statements on a user’s social media account/s.
Here are a few such exemplary posts that this software could generate:
Sunrise was especially beautiful today.
I feel like a million dollars.
All is good in the world.
I gave a lollipop to a toddler today.
I love my local and state government.
I support my police.
“Gave a lollipop to a kid today”?
So you may be a child predator.
No good deed goes unpunished.
I’m pretty sure that exists and is called “Twitter.”
Dear nyc, nys and all associated politicians,
Fuck off.
Question for NY’ers: Was the local judge’s approval already NY law at the time?
https://www.ammoland.com/2022/07/new-york-stop-issuing-concealed-carry-permits-7-months/
Failed to reply that to the right post.
The answer is yes. Judges are the issuing authority. Pistol permitting is controlled at the county level in NY so many specific details vary, and some counties and judges are much less 2A friendly than others.
Best guess for basically any NY gun law for the next 4 years would involve *Best guess pending lawsuit. We are in uncharted territory where everyone knows the laws are unconstitutional bullshit, the courts are jammed with over a dozen various gun related lawsuits, and most counties are trying to get as much done before the uncertain times begin.
Besides a persons social media the feds should also investigate the kinds of music a person listens to ,the books they read, tv programming they watch , their religious affiliations, their political party,and the choice of clothing they wear.
They already do. But that’s a secret.
Maybe if you had not let crime get out of hand, people would not feel the need to arm themselves.
Ya’ll missed the point. They don’t care if the gun laws they pass work or not. They just want to be able to brag about what they have done to save us from gun violence. If it doesn’t work they will just tell more lies and blame it on something/someone else.
They shouldn’t even admit that. They should just say “Sure” then shrug their shoulders and drag their feet doing nothing about it. All this will do is give an outsourced special team or group that task.
Besides, we all know they already do that shit. Nothing you do online – or otherwise – is private anymore. Especially with the tech now days. They will follow you 500 feet into an underground bunker and pin point your location to a 10 digit grid.
the fact that they cannot do this a feature not a bug to the “2nd amendment is a privilege not a right” crowd.
Those that want to approve them will simply, ignore this requirement. Those that dont want to issue them will simply keep in the “pending approval camp” en perpetuity.
At least until the supremes finally realise that they will not be able to dance around the various state governments that dont see the constitution as a list of restrictions on government, but rather a list of favours to be granted upon favoured groups.
When they do this and simply blanket repeal every single gun law ever written, this will stop being a problem.
It is none of their business.
True, but what are you going to do about it? Submit to their will or no piece of paper for you. Without that piece of paper, you are committing a felony.
In California, unlawfully carrying a concealed weapon used to be a “wobbler,” meaning it could be charged as a felony or a misdemeanor. Now, it is a misdemeanor if your gun is unloaded, felony if it is loaded. No exceptions.
Depends on your social status, White, straight, working guy, no record “FELONY” held without bail. Minority, gangbanger, known felon, 3 warrants for murder, robbery, B&E, assault, holding a bag of meth and a couple of tabs of fentanyl… Meh, misdemeanor, no bail release with apologies for the inconvenience…
Or if you are rich… then it’s pretty much a get out of jail free card no matter what.
This is a feature, not a bug.
“Uh, Captain, can you take a look at this?”
“Sure, what’s up?”
“Well, this CCW applicant has some questionable stuff on their [social media account] but for every pro-2A post there’s like 2700 cat videos and at least three Ukrainian flags. They also had a period where they liked to randomly post about how much they love Pfizer, but I’m not sure if that’s because they like the jabs or they held the company’s stock…”
The worst part is the assumption of guilt of the law abiding before allowing them to do what criminals freely do now. These laws only apply to the law abiding. It is much easier to ignore the law.
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