nysrpa nra board Tom King
Tom King. Image via nysenate.gov

Quislings. You can smell them from a mile away. And in a story that escaped notice the first time, NRA board member Tom King spoke publicly calling the time-honored tradition of Americans making their own guns at home a “growing problem” that could be “turning into a criminal enterprise.”

Tom King also serves as the head of the New York State Rifle and Pistol Association.

With friends like that, who needs Everytown and the Brady Campaign?

From Newsday:

…The head of the New York State Rifle and Pistol Association said the sale of ghost guns is a growing problem.

“These ’80 percent’ guns are providing a way for prohibited people to buy a firearm,” Tom King of the NYSRPA said, referring to people who don’t have a gun permit or are otherwise prohibited from possessing a gun.

He said self-assembled guns provide a way for competition shooters to make a custom-fitted firearm. Such weapons should have serial numbers and be registered — and any new legislation should consider such a provision, he said. But it appears increasingly, King said, people trying to evade the law are the ones buying and selling self-assembled weapons.

“It appears what was meant to be something for competitive shooters and serious shooters to build their own unique firearm may be turning into a criminal enterprise,” King said.

As if the National Rifle Association didn’t already have enough problems. Now they have a(nother) board member advocating for more gun control. Including gun laws banning everyday Americans from building their own guns at home – something that has been perfectly legal without regulation since before the nation’s founding.

 

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  1. Just another reason not to renew or give money to the NRA until we can “throw the rascals out”.

    • Spot On.. what is it with these dimwits…. SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED … seems pretty comprehensive… only dumbshits will try to argue it…

      • These people are all part of a grander scheme. They are infiltrating every area in our culture to tear it down and eventually make way for Agenda 21 and the One/New World Order. What they are unable to understand is that when the NWO takes control, their usefulness will end.

        My question is why is he still a NRA board member and head of the NY State Rifle & Pistol Association. I’m also curious as to where he gets his claims that criminals are more and more creating ghost guns at home, considering I have yet to hear of a ghost gun being used in a crime. It’s far easier for a criminal to buy a gun off the street and file off the serial number, which makes it untraceable, unless it had been tested for ballistics in the past and a record kept – even then, barrels are easily replaced.

        • Perhaps a better question would be, when’s the last time you saw a gang banger who was smart enough to build anything more complicated than a sandwich?

        • Had a dumbass making a bunch of poly 80 Glocks and selling them in the Albany area and he got hemmed up with the ATF. Other than that some wannabe gangster got caught with some 80% firearm (still waiting to hear on what it was) but yeah only two that come to mind over my way.

        • When was the last time you saw a criminal who was willing to take the time to order the individual pieces parts, and then assemble them?

          I doubt the drug cartels build their arsenals that way.

    • Why do I’ll informed, anti-Constitution, and opponents of traditional American values end up on the NRA Board? His comments are equal to ending gun sales because of the danger of straw purchasers. It is already illegal to make a homemade firearm for sale. He sounds more like Cuomo than George Washington.

      • It is NOT illegal to make a home-made firearm an sell it. Currently you just need to meet ATF requirements before it can be sold, like give it a serial number, and if you make more than a certain number in a year, you must be a licensed “manufacturer”.

        • You do not need to apply a serial number if you didn’t intend to sell it when you created it. ATF has confirmed. This has been stated on the Interwebz and TTAG many times.

      • “It is already illegal to make a homemade firearm for sale”

        ^this. Maybe they can make it double special extra super illegal. That’ll stop those crooks.

      • The great difficulty is that gun-owners who are awake enough to recognize what is going on resign their NRA memberships and can’t vote. The overwhelming majority of eligible NRA members don’t bother to vote. Those that do vote either vote their maximum – making sure that the quislings get re-elected or OVER-vote making sure that their votes don’t count at all!

        The fault, dear Brutus, lies not in our stars but in ourselves.

        If we PotG awoke ourselves and helped our fellows likewise awaken then we would bullet vote in NRA elections and make sure that our national (and state) organizations were serving our purposes and intentions. We DON’T!

        And so, those who have been around long enough to make it to directorships and officerships in the NRA and state affiliates do whatever they like.

        Meanwhile, we PotG all sit back and piss-and-moan about the state of our gun organizations and do nothing to right the ship.

        What should we expect? That someone ELSE will do the hard work? While we watch and piss and moan?

        • “What should we expect? That someone ELSE will do the hard work? While we watch and piss and moan?”

          Voting with or feet can be quite effective, two ways.

        • Bullet voting doesn’t work. You might get 1 board member elected per year, but those 3 will be drown out by the other 67. There needs to be a slate of candidates who share common goals and will vote as a block. Then voting only for members of that slate would help. If a score of Wayne’s Gotta Go directors were elected per year, he an the cronies would be gone. They’d get crap committee assignment until they reached critical mass, but they’d eventually run the show.

      • I am a member of both, as well as Calif Rifle and Pistol Assoc. (CRPA). Just as I belong to about a dozen different military and police associations.

        I wish we could get ALL such organizations to pull together and present gun owners as one powerful entity, instead of yakking about the good, the bad, and the ugly about each. Together we stand; divided we fall. As an example, NRA claims 5 million members which is nothing in a population of over 320 million. GOA claims 2 million. Together, that’s still nothing compared to the population.

        There are many pro-2A gun owners who do not belong to any such group, or belong to one of the great many local associations. Unfortunately, that, in these times, does not present the UNITED front we need to project; a force to be reckoned with. a whole lot of small groups or individuals doesn’t get the job done. The opposition doesn’t even see them.

    • Like we needed any more of those?

      That organization needs to just end. Dont mend it, just end it.

      SAF and GOA along with others can, and will, do a better job.

    • Another reason for the BoD to be dissolved and reorganized. Building your own weapons has been the proving grounds for all manner of improvements to firearms for centuries. Now all of a sudden its only criminals building weapons? The truth is they don’t want anybody having guns. Get the bums out. No more cash for the NRA until they change their tune.

      • “Another reason for the BoD to be dissolved and reorganized.”

        BoD?

        Biochemical oxygen demand?

        Scottish Gaelic for “penis”?

        “‘se bod a tha unnad” (you are a cock) ?

    • Ladies and Gentlemen,
      There’s been an article written chastising me for supposedly agreeing with NYS Legislators in their bid to ban 80% lower receivers. That article is wrong.To be clear: I do not support the banning of 80% lowers or any other firearm. Never have. Never will.
      The quotes in question came from a thirty-minute Newsday interview that I conducted more than a month ago. Of course, only a couple of sentences were used from that 30 minute conversation.
      I referenced a case in New York State where someone was illegally manufacturing, assembling and selling firearms – including full autos. As you know, those are illegal acts. I do not condone anyone intentionally breaking the law as I believe that only helps our opposition.
      So, let me set the record straight. I oppose all registration and believe all lawful gun owners have the right to own the firearm of his or her choice whenever and where ever they choose. I believe ours is a country based on common law and the way to challenge laws we consider unconstitutional is in the voting booths and the courts, as we are doing in our U.S. Supreme Court case NYSRPA v. NYC and our Second Circuit Court of Appeals Case NYSRPA v. Beach, Cuomo et.al. We will win the battle!

      In closing I would like to thank those who gave me the benefit of the doubt and called me for an explanation. I’ve spent twenty years fighting for your rights and I’m not going to throw those years away by kicking the Second Amendment under the bus at this late date.

      Thank you for taking the time to read this missive.
      Tom King
      NYSRPA

      https://www.facebook.com/NYSRPA/

  2. If the left ever gets their way and starts banning everything with a trigger I can guarantee you that self assembled and self manufactured guns will become a HUGE ‘criminal enterprise’. Alcohol prohibition is a PERFECT example of what would happen.

    Guns are not complicated devices and there are plenty of ‘garage shops’ in the US that could crank out high quality firearms if backed into the right corner.

    • Next they will require serial numbers on mills, lathes and casting equipment as well as 3D printers.
      And buying pipe at the hardware store will require a Form 4473.
      Got stumps in your yard?, soil to alkaline, want charcoal for your grill? To bad you might really be buying the stuff to make gunpowder.

    • King obviously no longer (if he ever did) believes in the 2nd Amendment tenet that we keep and bear arms as a way of opposing governmental tyranny. Being able to make our own guns is very much a 2nd Amendment protected activity. The 2nd Amendment is unalloyed and perfectly clear in both wording and intent. There is no middle ground concerning the 2nd Amendment. It either means exactly what it says or the 2nd Amendment ceases to exist.

      • “Being able to make our own guns is very much a 2nd Amendment protected activity. The 2nd Amendment is unalloyed and perfectly clear in both wording and intent.”

        I sure hope the eventual “NY Pistol” SCOTUS decision lays that out in stark terms even a Democrat can understand…

    • If they ban everything with a trigger, then we”ll be giving up our pressure washers, leaf blowers and super soaker squirtguns. When will it end??? Primary requirement to be a Dumocrat is to have a lobotomy.

        • “What would Roy Rogers do if he was still alive!!”

          WHAT? WAIT A MINITE! WHEN? Who pulled the trigger? Probably some horses ass in the NRA, right?

        • “What would Roy Rogers do if he was still alive!!”

          Mucking out Trigger’s horseshit-filled stall? 😉

  3. “But it appears increasingly, King said, people trying to evade the law are the ones buying and selling self-assembled weapons.”

    In other words, they’re already breaking the law, so let’s propose legislation to make it….illegal-er?

    The stoopid… it *hurts*…

    • “But it appears increasingly, King said, people trying to evade the law are the ones buying and selling self-assembled weapons.” — Tom King

      Based on what exactly? Where is the evidence which backs up that claim?

      More importantly, that claim IS IRRELEVANT EITHER WAY because criminals can purchase or fabricate pretty much everything and use those items to attack other people. Remember, criminals have even used pillows to murder (suffocate) victims. Should we require people to pass a background check before buying everything and then register everything since criminals can use everything to harm us?

      • Most people that make their own guns are not trying to break the law, they just don’t want the government to know they have that particular firearm.

        • I don’t know about that. I believe they do it to see if they can and it is also cheaper.
          It is also a lot of fun.

    • This Tom King guy has convinced me that I made the right decision to allow my NRA membership to lapse earlier this year. The NRA’s salvation is looking bleaker and bleaker. It may just eventually go the way of the BSA and YMCA…they still exist, but are shells of their original selves and are now impotent due to their political turnabouts when the Left gained hold of the leadership.

    • Absolutely true.

      Wouldn’t it be ironic if the upcoming New York State Rifle and Pistol Associate v. New York City lawsuit at the United States Supreme Court yields a decision which ultimately guarantees that we can manufacture our own firearms?

      That would be rich beyond description.

      • “Wouldn’t it be ironic if the upcoming New York State Rifle and Pistol Associate v. New York City lawsuit at the United States Supreme Court yields a decision which ultimately guarantees that we can manufacture our own firearms?”

        Clarence Thomas would be cool with that, the question is, how far is Roberts willing to go?

        Even if we get (and I doubt that) ‘strict scrutiny’, lower courts will cheerfully ignore it, citing “the unique dangers guns provide”, “the Constitution isn’t a suicide pact”, or some such rot.

        How long did it take for Blacks to get tangible freedom, not just an amendment proclaiming their freedom? That’s the model we are going to have to take, *forcing* them to heel…

        • The current favorite seems to be “rights are not absolute”.

          Yeah, well, majority rule and the power of the state is not absolute, either.

  6. Someone should explain to Mr. King that if a felon has possession of a firearm he is breaking the law whether he built it or not. Which law can be passed that lawless individuals will not transgress.

      • WRONG! First of all, if you make a weapon and follow the ATF rules you CAN sell it, it just won’t be a ghost gun any more. If you make more than a certain number er year, you need to be licensed by the ATF for manufacturing. And lastly, if the weapon is only 80% complete, then it can be sold as long as the lower receiver has a serial number.

        • Geez, Rattler, how can one person be so wrong on so much at the same time?

          1. If you’re making receivers for yourself, you can make as many as you wish. The ATF only cares if you’re engaged in the act of “manufacturing”, which by legal definition is creating an item for commerce or transfer to another person.

          2. A receiver that’s only 80% complete is not a “weapon”, as it cannot function. That’s exactly why the ATF doesn’t classify it as such. How do you think companies are able to legally sell the bejeebies out of them all over the country without FFL involvement or serial numbers?

          3. Even if you finish an 80% receiver and assemble a completed gun, you only need to apply a serial number if you *intended* at the time of assembly to sell or transfer to another person. If you made it for yourself, and then decided to sell or transfer it at a later time, then it is not required. The ATF has clarified this, and it’s been discussed many times here on TTAG.

    • Empire State, pair that with NYC culture and you get actual privileged mindsets with that obnoxious attitude/culture even towards us upstate rock people.

  8. Americans have been making their own guns since before there was such a thing as the USA. This has nothing to do with competition shooting and if those that have guns are not serious about it then they before a liability (and easy targets for the bad guys). The data does not reflect issues with %80 lowers. Criminals are not going to take the time, effort, and resources to turn those %80 blocks of metal paper weights into a working device for threatening life.

    This kinda thing is precisely WHY I never joined the NRA and are not likely to in the future.

    We are in alot of trouble if the 2nd Amendment cannot stand on it’s own ‘without’ the NRA.

    • It’s a thing up here with the pistols mainly due to it getting easier and our pistol license (to even buy/own let alone carry) being annoying to obnoxious in most counties. With that being said stolen pistols are still the majority and only know of 2 80% criminals caught in the last year.

    • You could say no 80% lower, what about 75%, 50%, 25%, eventually you get back to take metal, wood, and plastic materials, are they going to regulate that? You can get those mold your own Glock or AR kit. This would likely lead to serial numbers on everything and special gun parts dealers and checks like California. Meanwhile as they make guns more illegal to own they will continue to let actual criminals caught with weapons off the hook.

      I don’t really care about what guns are out there or how they were created, I only care about criminal people and the actions they take.

      • Also be aware that the 80% specification is nothing but arbitrary just like most government prohibitions, like speed limits!

  9. Just another FUDD.Screw this guy, if you can’t build your own guns it’s time to start buying PVC pipe.

  10. Makes me want to buy a few 80% lowers…
    Then send a letter to this bung hole telling him to mind his own business.

    • Not too many criminals have the mechanical ability to build a gun. Give a ‘homie a 80% lower and he’ll rather quickly make it completely unusable.

      • That’s not correct. If you have ever been to a third world country, there are plenty of low IQ individuals who make their own weapons, and most are made from scratch, not an 80%. The fact is that criminals aren’t interested in sending the time it takes to complete a weapon from scratch or from an 80% lower, especially when they can steal or buy one on the street and simply file off the serial number.

        • They are not low IQ people, they are desperate people that feel that they need a gun or are supplying someone else. There is a certain amount of intelligence needed to manufacture a gun that won’t blow up.

  11. Of course! Everyone knows that the solution to an innocent activity that could be turned into a criminal enterprise is to make that activity a criminal enterprise by definition.

    That’s a wonderful insight that hopefully will soon be applied to all other endeavors that could be turned to criminal ends, including the manufacture of drugs, the growing of crops, the kindling of fire, and having sex.

  12. well these guns are not to be for sale anyway and anybody caught selling the should face the music but everybody should have the right to make his or her own weapon of choice put there name on it and keep it in the family forever but this is also the reason I have not decided to renew my NRA membership yet that is up this month hoping they will get things back on track

    • Their track record is one of entitled infringement since 1934,with supposed friends such as the NRA who needs enemies.

      History
      1791: The Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution is ratified.
      The amendment reads:

      “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state,
      the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”

      After That
      1871: The National Rifle Association was formed by Union Army veterans Col. William C. Church
      and Gen. George Wingate.

      After that, they start going the other way

      The NRA actively supported the National Firearms Act of 1934.
      The NRA actively supported the Federal Firearms Act of 1938
      The NRA actively supported the Gun Control Act of 1968
      The NRA actively supported the misnamed Firearms Owners Protection Act including the Hughes Amendment (1986)
      The NRA actively supported the final version of the Assault Weapons Ban (1994)
      The NRA _proposed_ the bump stock ban
      The NRA is actively supporting “Red Flag” laws at the state and federal level.

      Go back and read the congressional testimony of then NRA president Karl T. Frederick during the hearings for the abominable affront to God and country known as the 1934 NFA. Frederick didn’t want us leaving our houses with a handgun, without being licensed i.e. a government permission slip. The NRA: the largest wealthiest most powerful gun control organization in world history.

      If you are ever interested in just how complicit the NRA is in gun control and portray the organization as defenders of the 2 nd.amendment,here is the testimony of the NRA president,one Carl T. Frederick in the congressional hearings of what became the 1934 National Firearms Act.

      It’s all out there if people just look.

      NRA President’s Testimony During Congressional Debate
      of the National Firearms Act of 1934

      MR.CARL T. FREDERICK: … “I have never believed in the general practice of carrying weapons. I seldom carry one. … I do not believe in the general promiscuous toting of guns. I think it should be sharply restricted and only under licenses”

      NRA Proudly Negotiating Rights Away since 1934

      http://www.keepandbeararms.com/NRA/NFA.htm

      This jack wagon Mr. King just goes out of his way to prove nothing has changed within Negotiating Rights Away.

      • It’s not much different than all of the pro-gun people who absolutely love and worship Ronnie Raygun, who was instrumental in creating and enacting the first major state gun law prohibiting carrying. It’s called the Mulford Act and was signed into law in Commiefornia in 1967 by Ronnie. Ronnie also created NAFTA, he just wasn’t able to get the conservative congress at the time, to pass it, so it got passed by Slick Willie! Oh, and another interesting tidbit is that Ronnie Raygun was worshiped by the NRA when he was in office — small wonder!

  13. First, anyone still thinking NRA defends gun rights, or the Second Amendment, or gun owners…these are your peeps. If you are still a member after this, you are blatantly stating that incremental encroachment on the Second Amendment is a reasonable policy in order to obtain/retain/maintain all the other benefits being an NRA member confers.

    Second, we have yet another reminder that not only are the anti-gunners and unicorns posed against us, so are the vast majority of gun owners…themselves not 2A advocates.

    Should we spend all our energy trying to persuade/fight with gun-grabbers, or focus on turning FUDDs into 2A advocates?

    • Making this even more frustrating is that this guy is in charge of the organization that has the case before the Supreme Court.

    • The Second Amendment Foundation has been very active in filing lawsuits to defend our second amendment rights while all I hear from the NRA is we need more money. Hell, so do I and it’s not for expensive suits either !

      • “…all I hear from the NRA is we need more money. Hell, so do I and it’s not for expensive suits either !”

        You know it, brother. I need more money; beer and popcorn supplies get really thin some weeks.

  14. And queue the Boomer-Fudd NRA apologists crawling out of the wood work mumbling something along the the lines of “but-but-but, 80% lowers are just novelties that we’re waiting to be banned, gotta give up something to appease the anti-gunners”, because after a Republican gets elected you old fucks forget what the anti-gun end game is, or worse, don’t care, because you’re willing to send certain gun owners down the river just to spite them.

  15. Yes, this makes perfect sense. We need a law that prevents prohibited persons from buying, making or stealing gun parts. We will give this new law a suit of armor and a great white horse to ride upon as our LAW KNIGHT goes forth to do combat with evil doers.

    The horse will have armor too. With LED red and blue flashy lights for safety and a unicorn horn on the steed’s helmet that is actually a high tech rainbow projector.

    Or possibly the rainbow comes out of the anti-illegal gun unicorn’s ass…. Not sure about that part. Pretty sure it ain’t the LAW KNIGHT’s ass making rainbows …. only serious crap is emitted there …..

  16. The only solution is to require everybody to wear camera eyeglasses hooked up to a national database. Then, we could see if they are looking at instructions about how to build a homemade gun, or actually operating a mill. Eye Control must be the next wave of common-sense legislation.

    • Nope. ‘Eye Control’ won’t work, so long as fingers and the occasional opposeable thumb exist.

      Recall that the deadly air-gun firing soft revolver bullets, used by Col. Sebastian Moran to kill The Honorable Ronald Adair, was invented and produced by the famous BLIND German mechanic Von Herder to the order of the late Professor Moriarty. Said air-gun was later used in Moran’s attempt to murder The Great Detective in his Baker Street diggings.

      Ergo, one does NOT need eyes to build guns, so the next step is ‘Finger Control.’

  18. Who voted for this gentleman strikes me as a valid question, something for organization members at the NRA and the New York State Rifle and Pistol organization to answer, or has Mr. KIng undergone a change of heart/mind?

  19. In some unrelated good news, the FL Senate Committee voted to uphold Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel’s suspension in a close 9 to 7 vote. Maybe they voted along party lines.

    • As I understand it, it was straight party-line vote.

      Now, the Florida Senate will vote on it, and we have a solid shot at denying him his job back. The senators have been experiencing a full-court press by the families of the killed to vote no on reinstatement.

      Israel has said he will run for office again in 2020, 2022? Considering how effective the lobbying was to get the Senate to vote no, he doesn’t have a chance…

  21. Tom King can KMA.
    His big mouth is making a non issue into a big nothing
    Its too easy to buy a gun on the streets. If this moron actually thinks a criminal would take the time and expense to build from an 80% reciever a full fledged gun. Hes a bigger moron then he sounds like already.

  23. ¿With fiends like him who needs enemas?

    I wonder if Tom King has seen some of the pistols, rifles, submachine guns made by locals in Pakistan. I’m talking about gunmakers working with an old forge and hand tools, with no electricity, no CNC machine, no mill or drill press. Some of their products are fine firearms, some rather crude, but they’ll all shoot.

    I don’t recall now if it was Arizona or New Mexico, but the penitentiary had a museum that displayed weapons of all sorts that were made INSIDE the prison: knives and clubs and a number of firearms and ammo. One was a hand-built replica of a Thompson, and the maker was a skilled artisan. Of course, he made a magazine and ammunition for it — and it was full-auto. Remember, all of this was made inside the prison, right under the noses of guards.

    Wow, Tom King, if you believe that you can prevent folks from building their own arms, you are definitely ignorant.

  25. I’m not necessarily a fan of King, but if you click through to the original article it is EXTREMELY biased and contains many factual errors about 80% lowers and the so called “ghost gun” kits.

    The use of quotation marks in the section that contains King’s ‘quote’ is also a little funky. I’m hoping that his quote is being manipulated or taken out of context in a deceptive way. It’s sad that I can’t say so confidently regarding Mr. King.

    For those not from New York, you should know the local 2A groups have been divided and destroyed by infighting and scandals over the last few years. There are many people who suspect some of the discord has been instigated by anti 2A forces related to the governor’s office. I’m sure governor would like to get rid of the NYSRPA as well.

    • I remember SCOPE. Turns out all they were good for was yard signs. I got a renewal letter from them before the last gubernatorial election, it was signed off on by a person claiming to run the organization but who wouldn’t even use their last name. It listed all the reasons why Cuomo was bad but also offered no plan of action. I don’t think my county even has a SCOPE chapter anymore. No matter, the downstate liberals are choking the life out of NY faster than ever now that they have the majority in the Senate and all our hopes are riding on the NYSRPA lawsuit, which Tom King is in charge of. What a time to be alive!

      • I used to attend the county SCOPE meetings on occasion. When things started falling apart I just got fed up and haven’t been to one since. The petty vindictiveness and lack of professionalism just turned me off to the whole thing. All politics is local and grassroots organizations are important, but when there are idiots in charge I don’t have much tolerance for it.

        • Concerning SCOPE. Scope brought in a high end amount of funds through 2015 and all the money could not be accounted for. The general manager and coach has to answer to these things. It did not go well, the President was requested to step down, which did not happen. This is the core of what transpired. Then Scope received a letter from an attorney, and Scope responded. Scopes mistake, was going the Silence is Golden route. People closed ranks on their friends instead of inquiring of all the evidence.
          Here is an article which may help concerning not only understanding the New York State 2A situation but as general help for all group/orgs across the country. http://aln.website/psyche-of-the-nys-second-amendment-supporter-is-damaged/

    • Nysrpa is a corrupt org and king the scumbag takes an annual salary of close to $100,000. His board is corrupt and there’s loads of conflicts. The scumbag even bought a useless office on nysroa dime 2 minutes from his house that has no benefit for nysrpa members.

    • Do you mean Elmer the ass kisser from Kingston who sucks up to king? My club found out all about that asshole.

  27. Why would a criminal go to the trouble to buy parts to make a homemade gun when it would be much easier to just steal a gun. Well Mr.King we won’t hold our breath until you answer that.

    • Can draw less attention/risk than burglary or buying from a trunk of a possible undercover. But the segment of the population that is that smart, criminally inclined, and has the mechanical aptitude to make one is rather small.

  28. My only question is: WTF was he thinking? Somebody got to this FUDD and made him speak the party line of the anti-gun party. Appeasement has never worked. Ask Neville Chamberlain. Time for this guy to go into deep retirement and be replaced by somebody who has the memberships’ (of both the NRA and the NYR&PC) at heart.

  29. He’s suggesting laws based on emotion rather than data. That’s what the democrats do. I wonder if he has bothered talking to any of the businesses he wants to destroy.

  30. He IS from New York. Been so long since that was a free state they can’t remember what it was like.

  31. Hell No! The “art” of self-made and “hand-forged” firearms is as old or older than this nation itself! IT IS A MATTER OF TRADITION! Just as is pride in craftsmanship and self-accomplishment! These firearms can then be used for hunting, which is another great and useful tradition! These are traditions that are and should be passed down through the family structure from generation to generation! The younger generations today are not being taught history “as it was” any longer! They are being taught a modified version of history as the ‘revisionists’ and progressives want to reshape it to meet their agenda and narrative! The socialists and progressives are in complete control of our educational system in the USA today and that is why polls show that over 50% of people under 40 favor socialism! If we do not restore our republic soon we are doomed. If we do not get socialist and communist teachings out of our schools, we have lost our children! It’s time to take our country back!

  32. The depth of Kings ignorance on the topic is is just a bad as assumption that most homemade guns (all types) are built deliberately for criminal use. As Such, all provisions for homemade and unregistered firearms must be eliminated.

    This is another example of a Rice Bowl Gun Rights supporter: he will only protect what firearms he likes while gladly offering to surrender the Rights to firearms he does not like. We see this all to often among the entrenched “hunting guns only” crowd, same folks still think Glocks are invisible under X-Ray and MSR’s have no lawful purpose. They still fail to believe that after tge gun grabbers get ours, they will come after his. Its a fact of life: divide and conquer. King is doing the gun grabbers work for them.

    There is no difference between eliminating “home builds” or banning “AWs” when the single desired result is some vain attempt to halt or reduce crime or “compromise” with gun grabbers.

    KING NEEDS TO BE FIRED FROM EVERY “PRO 2A” POSITION HE HOLDS and tossed out of every Pro 2A organization he is a Member of.

  34. So you “kinda” believe in the second!? Doesn’t matter which side you claim to be on, authoritarians are all the same.

  35. Criminals are criminals. Laws make no difference to them.

    If they can finish an 80% lower, it isn’t a stretch for some skilled and enterprising criminals to setup a CNC machine to crank out complete lowers.

  36. If I didn’t know any better I swear the NRA is currently a Bloomberg enterprise with Wayne as their top employee. I really want to get rid of my membership in that organization.

  37. Besides the definition of “infringe” consider the difference between the word inalienable used in the Constitution and the word UNALIENABLE used in the 2nd paragraph of the Declaration of Independence, inalienable means it can’t be taken or given away. Unalienable means the same thing but the prefix of “UN” has the implication of no way under heaven or earth to the average reader, that it was always existent rather than something given to us by a Creator or government. I wish more 2A people would use it.

  38. OMG, yet another reason I can’t wait to leave this LIBTARD state and move to South Carolina in Jan 2020. Sorry fellow pro 2A New Yorkers, I have to bail!

  39. My NRA membership runs out next month. The last time they called I gave the guy who called an ear full, basically I told him no more money until Wayne and the entire board are gone. Just got my last American Rifleman and it was just full of self important bloviating about how wonderful Wayne is and how under his divine leadership NRA has saved us all from the terrible Democrats.

    This was the second time I quit NRA, sorry I went back. I sent my renewal money to GOA instead.

    • “The last time they called I gave the guy who called an ear full,…”

      Telemarketers are employees of a fund raising company, not employees of the company for whom funds are raised. Complaints are not sent “up the chain” to the benefiting company.

  40. Here is one to think about.

    A criminal that stole your weapon that had no serial number on it could not be arrested even if the police suspected he had stolen it. The criminal or lunatic could then carry out his murder whenever he chose at a future time. Many criminals have been caught even before they carried out a new crime by tracing a serial number to see if the gun in their possession was stolen when the criminal was caught in a mundane traffic stop.
    I know of one case of a stolen gun that was returned to the owner by first tracing a serial number and then by interviewing a series of second hand buyers and sellers of the gun that went through 6 hands.

    I would say the idea of owning a gun without a serial number is appealing to the simple minded but the only real need for one would be to commit a future horrific crime or if not just simply to keep a certain style weapon that was someday outlawed which would sooner than later land you in prison right next to the hardened criminals that were there for the same reasons.

    If the Florida High School killer had donned a mask and then dropped his home made weapon he probably would still be at large today and planning another mass murder.

    It is totally asinine to make it easy for killers to build their own weapons with frame kits because it is just like giving free gasoline to a pyromaniac. The average young male (who commit most mass murders) today is no more able to build a frame from bar stock than he is to change his own flat tire and most cannot.

    The NRA Board Member made an unpopular statement but he had legitimate worries because he was thinking ahead of the game. He already could see the future problems coming to pass with untraceable weapons and with today’s plethora of weekly mass murders its just a matter of time before all the nut cases will follow the first criminal that pulls off a mass murder and gets away with it because he used an untraceable weapon without a serial number.

    I do believe you should have the right to build your own weapon as long as a serial number is stamped on it and it is registered with either the local police or better yet with the Feds. If you have nothing to hide why not.

    • “A criminal that stole your weapon that had no serial number on it could not be arrested even if the police suspected he had stolen it.”

      Bullshit. The possession is the proof of the crime, serial number or not…

      • Please explain how a numberless weapon could be claimed as stolen. It would be one persons word (the original owner) against the present owner (the criminal). Put yourself in the position of the police.

        • Does all your property have serial numbers, you know, just in case it was ever stolen and then by some miracle recovered by the cops? Do you register it all with feds too?

  41. Scraped the NRA sticker off of my cars window some months back. Doubt I’ll ever put it back.

    When the NRA failed to call out SA&RRA I knew I was done. Screw em.

  42. Shining the light on yet another institution that needs to have its swamp drained – the NRA.

    Why does NY generate so much garbage like this on a regular basis?

  44. I had something similar happen to me the other day. Talking to my local FFL where I have guns I purchase online sent, the subject came up about so called Universal Background Checks. He came out for them after having seen some locals selling/purchasing firearms without going through a background check. He has gotten the idea everyone needs to go through a background check. I’m hoping our conversation opened his eyes a little and got him to thinking.

    Like I told him, this country didn’t have a problem existing for the first 218 years without background checks on firearms. Sadly background checks have become ingrained in our society over the past 25 years as something we need. Which is a total lie we have been fed. There is absolutely no need for background checks now or ever. If a prohibited person wants a gun they will get one. Period. If you don’t believe that your a fool. Background checks are simply a hindrance on law abiding citizens. Plain and simple.

    Same for “ghost guns” There is no problem that needs a solution now or ever. If criminals want guns they will get them no matter what the law says. “Ghost guns” are not turning up as crime scenes. Period. Morons.

    • Of course he does. It would be revenue for him (that he can charge whatever he wants) for a few minutes & storing a record for 20 years.

      Sad he’s more willing to fill his pockets than to realize what is really going on.

      Gun dealers like him do far more damage than 1000 liberals on FB.

  45. I recently acquired a home made gun. It is an original single shot, .36 caliber, percussion fired black powder rifle. The state of Illinois made me wait three days to “cool off”, even though I did not have any ammunition for the rifle then. Horror of horrors, it did not have a serial number either. In fact, I could build another one just by ordering the parts on line.
    Does Mr. King think I am a criminal?

  46. What a worthless cuck. Never mind his personal point of view on this issue, any reasonable assessment he makes of his current situation must include that he is currently towards the forefront of a legal action which, as the comments here reflect, is of deep concern to all gun rights advocates. And as I assume he did not attain his current standing through ignorance, the only conclusion I can draw from his decision to actively speak against those supporting him is that he is a fundamentally deceitful individual, someone who is not worthy of any respect, let alone a position of trust within our movement.

  47. WTF is the matter with Tom King? He needs to be replaced kicked off the NRA board and definitely should not be the head of the New York State Rifle and Pistol Association in New York state!

  48. Its funny how extremely retarded people think criminals will follow laws!

    Its beyond being a idiot!

    Just like requiring a permit to carry… will stop all criminals from packing!

  49. well a communist that infiltrated behind the lines and wants to destoy us from the inside. well GET RID OF HIM! HE HAS NO PLACE HERE! HE HAS NO PLACE IN FREEDOM! SEND HIM TO CHINA! THAT IS WHERE PEOPLE LIKE HIM BELONG! AND HE CAN TAKE THE REST OF THE COMMIES THAT CALL THEMSELVES DEMOCRATS WITH HIM!

  50. Here’s a novel idea Tom, ask your liberal masters to keep felons in jail and crazy people in asylums like we used to and we won’t have to be so concerned with keeping guns out of “the wrong hands”. You think homemade guns are a problem now??? Wait until the new black market rises up to meet the need …the technology and manufacturing experience to build them is everywhere. 80% lowers are a party trick..You will see real weapons of war on the streets in no time at all. If you think I am wrong, look at the war on drugs.. It’s been 40 yrs…and we still have people dying in the streets of OD…our government is useless at doing anything.

  51. As far as I am concerned, any “never-NRA-er” is an anti-gun MOLE and should give up your guns! What next, you going to start calling us terrorists? (I’m a Life Member) This division is EXACTLY what the antis want so learn to STFU about it! >:-( Your bitching helps no one!

    • I think Tom King might be a life member also. Pepe le puu is too. Hows it feel knowing you helped pay for his housing needs.

  53. Sure am glad I’ve only joined three things voluntarily. Two marriages, and the USAF. So far only one has stood the test of time, the second marriage. Haven’t been forced to join anything except, maybe depending on how you view it, the USAF, but I had a choice there, jail, or, service.

  54. “My question is why is he still a NRA board member and head of the NY State Rifle & Pistol Association.(?) Well, vote him off. Oh, yeah- around here, most of those who whine about NRA the loudest can’t vote because they aren’t members, haven’t been a 5-year continuous member or aren’t Life Members…

    Want to know another “unadvertised” but intelligent move if you happen to be elligible to vote in NRA Board elections? Only vote for those you know or want on the Board. Most people assume they are supposed to vote for the full number of candidates (it’ll be 31 this time in Feb). I usually only vote for 6-8 people- ones I know personally. Too bad more don’t vote this way but advertising it on this site won’t reach many “eligible voters” I fear.

  55. #1 reason i have no interest in ever visiting new york:
    even the good guys are kinda bad guys
    ive worked with probably a couple dozen or more new yorkers here in the midwest over the years
    its not that theyre bad people or bad americans or anything
    im not even saying i dont like them
    theyre just different
    different mindset
    different worldview
    if they want to run new york like that its whatever
    just keep that blue city blue state governing model bullshit outta here
    it doesnt belong
    same with california…

  57. I am a life member of the NRA, and I believe the NRA needs a major overhaul and become an organization that truly stands for the Second Amendment and that does not waste members donations and membership dues.

  59. 1. Are “old gun activists” out of touch with the 21st century way of gun manufacturing and 21st century materials used to make modern firearms?

    2. There is very little support in the “gun community” for invitations like the Bump Stock. Does this threaten the value of Machine Guns and the business of buying and selling pre 1986 MGs?

    3. Does it threaten the value of a person’s MG collection?

    4. Does a private citizen building his or her own gun at home threaten the larger gun manufacturing business?

    5. Does it threaten the business of selling guns?

    6. Does it threaten gun stores?

    Example:
    I have not seen a long form story in American Rifleman about 3D printed guns. Or 3D printed ammunition. Nor a story about building your own AR 15 in your own home. Did I miss it?

    Example:
    I have not seen a story about Hi Point or any low cost (handgun under $200) gunmaker in any NRA publication. Perhaps I missed it.

    Tom King is an “old white guy” who is past his retirement in the gun community. What is it about the AR-15 that seems to even frighten some “gun people”? Are people like him just to old for the job of defending civil rights?

    Perhaps the NRA or any gun rights group that is run by people over 65 are just not ready for the 21st century?

  60. Definitely NOT a pro-2A group if they’re trying to BAN ANYTHING that has to do with firearms! Americans need to stabd up and get rid of this tyrannical government before its too late! Theyre directly going against the Constitution amd making “laws” that go directly against the supreme law of the land! Wake up Americans, the problem is tyrannical government thats ran by the global elite bankers, get rid of the federal reserve and alot if this will be fixed.

  61. His as will be grass the next elections for the NRA. We do not NEED people like this in any form of a control position. He is another power hungry idiot and should resign or be removed from his position if he is not willing to support the 2nd amendment with full unreserved commitment to our CONSTITUTIONAL rights.

  62. Ladies and Gentlemen,
    There’s been an article written chastising me for supposedly agreeing with NYS Legislators in their bid to ban 80% lower receivers. That article is wrong.To be clear: I do not support the banning of 80% lowers or any other firearm. Never have. Never will.
    The quotes in question came from a thirty-minute Newsday interview that I conducted more than a month ago. Of course, only a couple of sentences were used from that 30 minute conversation.
    I referenced a case in New York State where someone was illegally manufacturing, assembling and selling firearms – including full autos. As you know, those are illegal acts. I do not condone anyone intentionally breaking the law as I believe that only helps our opposition.
    So, let me set the record straight. I oppose all registration and believe all lawful gun owners have the right to own the firearm of his or her choice whenever and where ever they choose. I believe ours is a country based on common law and the way to challenge laws we consider unconstitutional is in the voting booths and the courts, as we are doing in our U.S. Supreme Court case NYSRPA v. NYC and our Second Circuit Court of Appeals Case NYSRPA v. Beach, Cuomo et.al. We will win the battle!

    In closing I would like to thank those who gave me the benefit of the doubt and called me for an explanation. I’ve spent twenty years fighting for your rights and I’m not going to throw those years away by kicking the Second Amendment under the bus at this late date.

    Thank you for taking the time to read this missive.
    Tom King
    NYSRPA

    • Let this be a warning for all of us. Don’t talk to the leftist media. They will twist your words and rip them out of context to support their anti human rights propaganda.

    • “Carl R.Gottstein Jr. (@MyTruthStorm) commented on NRA Board Member and New York State Rifle & Pistol Association Head Wants End to Homemade Guns.”

      WTFO?

      Who posted this? Shows one name for submitter, another signing off after the comments.

      • Gottstein is King’s paid PR shill paid for by NYSRPA member money, not king’s own money. He’s on lots of places defending asswipe tom king and his corruption since King can’t do it himself.

        • “Gottstein is King’s paid PR shill paid for by NYSRPA member money…”

          Thanx. After reading a few more comments, I better understood the OP.

        • On sharing the statement Tom King published on the issue at hand, I think it is only fair people get his side of the story. Not sure what all the hate for me is about. Because I work for NYSRPA and shared information? Tom King is New York’s only NRA board member. I am work closely with him and I do know him better than most. Just thought you folks would appreciate the insight. Tom is one of the good guys. I wear many hats at NYSRPA including administrator for our FB pages. The post is public for all to see. We are up to our elbows in legal work, we have a case coming before the Supreme Court in December. Tom King initiated it and got the NRA to help pay for it. That is what is important right now. NYSRPA vs NYC and other great work we are doing…I would appreciate it if you supported NYSRPA and the NRA.

          https://www.facebook.com/NYSRPA/

          • “On sharing the statement Tom King published on the issue at hand, I think it is only fair people get his side of the story.”

            The complete lack of specificity could be a clue as to why Mr. King is held in contempt. Nowhere does King detail what was actually said, and what was actually corrupted. King’s letter merely states, “I didn’t say those things, trust me”. Giving no point-counterpoint leaves us with they said – he said. The history of the NRA, and the current indefensible positions of the NRA do not auger well for anyone who remains a board member.

    • The consequences of yet one more example of selective reporting! They know how to push our buttons people, they also know there are a lot of people who still believe thet if it’s in print it must be true. Not saying we don’t have scumbags in our midst, we certainly do, but remember how devious our enemies are

      • “They know how to push our buttons people, they also know there are a lot of people who still believe thet if it’s in print it must be true.”

        I see two “reports”. One makes specific claims, the other a general dismissal. Which are we to accept as true truth, and why?

        • “Track record” of alleged reporting in the past few years, and the desperate hope that it’s just another slimy hit piece!

          • ” “Track record” of alleged reporting in the past few years, and the desperate hope that it’s just another slimy hit piece!”

            Curious why the bland, broad statement, rather than a detailed, point-by-point refutation?
            Where is the charge that King was maliciously and knowingly misquoted? Had sentences twisted/merged in a manner entirely inconsistent with the actual interview? Suffered conflation of subjects, words manufactured out of whole cloth? How he managed to make a statement about 80% lowers, where something said about keeping those lowers away from prohibited persons somehow included the word “banned” (or “ban”)? Where is the vow to consult attorneys for possible legal action against the people blatantly and provably lying?

            In these matters, a “push” resolving “he said, they said” is not an encouraging outcome. Until then…..skepticism.

            • Ok, one more time, s l o w l y. Did you miss the part where I said it was my fervent hope that it was bullshit as usual?

              • “Did you miss the part where I said it was my fervent hope that it was bullshit as usual?”

                Not at all. Apparently I missed the implication that your statement of “hope” was intended as a conversation stopper. Got it, now.

      • Tom King stated ” I support the right of all lawful citizens to keep and bear the firearms of their choice where ever and whenever they choose including 80% lowers”.

  65. Everyone read all about how corrupt Tom King and the NYSRPA Board is. It’s well know in NY, but now we need to make everyone aware of it.

    See these links on how he has sold out NY gun owners and NYSRPA members time and time again. He’s a dishonest CROOK!

    https://nygunforum.com/threads/6-things-nysrpa-does-not-want-you-to-know.1421/#post-21198

    https://nygunforum.com/threads/more-dishonesty-from-nysrpa-and-tom-king.17004/

    https://nygunforum.com/threads/tom-king-sells-out-nysrpa-members-again.9939/

  66. Having grown up in the northeast, this kind of anti Liberty mentality is prevalent up there, there has been a dark spiritual and tyrannical cloud over much of the Northeast states for many decades, causing the blind, apathetic sheeple to reflect the draconian mindset of the pied piper of political correctness to bring states once recognized as the cradles of Liberty, to liberal leftist communist oppressed locations

    • It’s called complacency, we were left alone for so long we always assumed we would continue to be. Fast forward, the left, led by Uncle Bernie decided we knew not what we were doing, and used our oasis for the next socialist petri dish.

  67. I am a 5 year NRA member. I too would like to see the exact quotes Mr. King provided to the author of the article on ghost guns. They should be available since most journalists record their conversations . That would clear this up very quickly. So why not just provide the exact quotes? How hard is that? Why let this spread like wildfire?

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