Police who declined to confront an Army reservist in the weeks before he killed 18 people in Maine’s deadliest mass shooting feared that doing so would “throw a stick of dynamite on a pool of gas,” according to video released Friday by law enforcement.
The video, which was released to the Portland Press Herald and then sent to The Associated Press, documents a Sept. 16 call between Sagadahoc County Sheriff’s Sgt. Aaron Skolfield and Army Reserve Capt. Jeremy Reamer. Skolfield was following up with Reamer about the potential threat posed by Robert Card, 40, who carried out the Oct. 25 attacks at a bowling alley and a restaurant. He was found dead two days later of a self-inflicted gunshot wound.
Military officials alerted police in September that Card had been hospitalized in July after exhibiting erratic behavior while training, that he still had access to weapons and that he had threatened to “shoot up” an Army reserve center in Saco, a city in southern Maine. The sheriff’s department responded by briefly staking out the Saco facility and going to Card’s home in Bowdoin for what Reamer described as a “welfare check.”
“The only thing I would ask is if you could just document it,” Reamer said. “Just say, ’He was there, he was uncooperative. But we confirmed that he was alive and breathing.’ And then we can go from there. That’s, from my end here, all we’re really looking for.”
Skolfield mentioned Maine’s yellow flag law, which can be used to remove guns from potentially dangerous people, after Reamer said Card had refused medical treatment after his hospitalization.
“So that, obviously, is a hurdle we have to deal with. But at the same time, we don’t want to throw a stick of dynamite on a pool of gas, either — make things worse,” he said.
— Patrick Whittle and Holly Ramer in Authorities knew Maine shooter was a threat but felt confronting him was unsafe, video shows
lol. The cops are afraid to confront one person because it might make him mad. And just like that all the cache and aw-thor-ah-tay the cops pretend to have evaporated into thin air.
Isn’t that what they’re being paid to do? What they’re given the gift of 20 years to full retirement for? What they’re blessed with national concealed carry for? What they’re routinely granted carveouts for all the bullshit we have to put with for?
Maybe they really should replace the cops with social workers.
“Maybe they really should replace the cops with social workers.”
Part of me would really like to see that, if anything, just for the sh!ts and giggles, but my rational side doesn’t want the people in those neighborhoods to experience the ramifications that would bring… 🙁
I actually think they should replace at least some cops with social workers. A lot of stuff involves people experiencing mental health crisis, or whose mental health is poor to begin with. Add in an overly aggressive cop and sometimes a bad situation just gets worse.
This is not to say that we don’t need muscular aggressive cops—we absolutely do—but having some additional people with different training and different toolbox will help them deal with more situations more appropriately and more effectively.
Publius, JBOL! Sending a social worker to a situation without police backing them up is a recipe for disaster. Clearly, you have never been in a situation where you had to handle a mentally disturbed individual. The “tool box” of a social worker contains just enough lack of common sense to get them good and killed.
They won’t let trained and experienced EMTs and Fire go to some scenes UNTIL LAW ENFORCEMENT has declared it safe.
You think a SOCIAL worker should be allowed to just waltz on in?
Why do cops never surveil ‘suspects’ to learn when and where the ‘suspect’ might be approachable, outside the home? I’ll reference the Waco fiasco, the Weaver atrocity, and hundreds or thousands of other incidents. If Joe goes grocery shopping every Thursday in the early afternoon, just roll up on him with 4 or more cars, box him in, and make your demands known.
Of course, what do I know? Sagadahoc may not have 4 cruisers at their disposal. Substitute horses? No matter how you look at it, a guy in his car probably has less firepower at his disposal than he would have at home. He certainly doesn’t have ‘home turf’ advantage he would have at home. The cops only need be smart enough to choose a more secluded spot to make the traffic stop, ie, DO NOT make the stop in a school zone during school hours!
I will one-up you: police surveil/follow the person until he/she exits their vehicle and is walking across the parking lot of a grocery store, restaurant, hardware store, etc. and THEN surround him/her.
For reference the reason that law enforcement fails to do this 99% of the time is because they claim to lack the resources to surveil someone 24/7 until that person heads to a grocery store (or similar).
They’re too busy sleeping in their cruisers behind the supermarket or jamming up some guy who rolled a stop sign.
When there are two, three or more calls backed up, you do not have the time to “surveil”. You are right about that lack of enough staff to do what you suggest.
Think the concern was more about fucking with him and then some liberal judge turning him loose after they had pissed him off even more…
They were also worried about how this would reflect on Card’s family.
In the video, Skolfield referred to the Cards as “a big family in this area,” and said he didn’t want to publicize that police were visiting the home.
“In the video, Skolfield referred to the Cards as “a big family in this area,””
Really small towns can be weird that way. The smaller the town, the more likely it is that everybody knows nearly everybody else there.
And that can lead to things like what happened there, no one wants to ‘be the bad guy’ and be the cause of wrecking the reputation of a prominent family… 🙁
MADD, just when did the police “fuck” with him?
Pay attention, read it again and put the words in their actual order and if you still don’t understand exactly what I really said then we can discuss it further if you would like… Hint, I did NOT say they actually “fucked” with him, context, context, context… Good luck and Merry Christmas (unless that offends you, then Mehhh)…
MADD, in spite of your perverted take on police, they did not “fuck’ with him. I got your context. Maybe you can get mine!
I said: (I) Think the concern was more about fucking with him and then some liberal judge turning him loose after they had pissed him off even more…
Which means I was speculating that ONE possible reason that the cops DID NOT “fuck” with him was because they were concerned about exacerbating (look it up) his already tenuous (look it up) mental stability… I DID NOT say the cops ACTUALLY fucked with him I was merely pointing out one possible reason that they DID NOT fuck with him… IF you were actually a COP and you can’t understand that SIMPLE context then it says a lot about cops, or at least NY cops… I understand your NEED to always be right but “NEWS FLASH” EVEN YOU are fallible (look it up)… My apologies for the big words but sometimes I just can’t help myself when the need for mockery arises… Have a Merry Christmas Walter (and if that offends you TFB)…
MADD, you are as thick as a thick wall. Your speculation serves NO useful purpose other than letting off your steam.
In fact as I stated, the police had NO reason to “fuck” with Card. Until they had a WRITTEN statement from a Health Care Professional, they were powerless to do anything. You see there is this thing called the HIPPA law.
I know you are a deep seated hatred for police, but they did not do or fail to do anything in this regard.
Speculation is like opinions and ass holes. Everyone has one?
And again you display your ignorance of the English language… Have another drink of whatever cheap booze you keep around to numb your pain I’ve got better things to do tonight, maybe next week…
MADD, it seems you have a major problem with the English language, not I. I don’t drink, but whatever you are smoking must be high potent stuff.
I don’t drink, but whatever you are smoking must be high potent stuff
Thanks for the compliment, yes it’s pretty good stuff, grow it myself (for personal use only of course)… Anyway, hang in there I’m sure you’ll figure it out eventually…
MADD, thanks for confirming my thoughts about your sorry life. Apparently, you think that breaking the law is your “privilege” due to your military service? For your edification growing marijuana and smoking it is STILL a violation of Federal Law, whether your sorry posterior likes it or not. It shows you flagrant and obvious attitude toward laws and law enforcement.
Time for you to get HELP.
MADD, for your edification the Federal Statue on Possession of Marijuana is. (21 U.S.C. Section 844) Likewise, federal law bans distribution or trafficking of marijuana. Penalties for violating the CSA are significant. A first offense of simple possession of marijuana is a misdemeanor, punishable by up to one year in prison and a minimum fine of $1,000. Growing: First, the classification as a Schedule I substance involves significant penalties for those who illegally manufacture, distribute or possess the drug (see, e.g., 21 U.S.C. § 841; 21 U.S.C. § 844; 21 U.S.C. § 846).
Whether you agree with it or not, it’s the LAW!
When the going gets tough,
The tough form a line to cordon off the perimeter
and wait for the dust to settle.
At the time of the founding we didn’t have a notion of a police force to police the presumptively law-abiding peaceable citizenry. The idea of a police patrol was nearly inconceivable. The Constitution forbade the several states from maintaining “troops” for a reason. Nevertheless, we have state highway “troopers”. Doesn’t that sound suspicious?
Sheriffs and possies were expected to pursue suspects after there was a report of a crime.
Yet, here we are. We have lots of cops. But not one on every block. We have lots of cops raising revenue for traffic fines and the like. We have laws giving cops the power to infringe on the Constitutional rights of gun-owners. But, we don’t seem to have cops with the judgement to either:
– stop a school shooting in progress under their watchful eye; nor
– disarming someone who shows manifest intention to commit a crime of violence.
The cops at Uvalde come to mind here – systemic failures and cowardice all the way through. Even though Card could have been ‘disarmed’ through using their ‘yellow flag’ and other laws they have on the books what we get is excuses like Uvalde cops gave excuses.
The only person in this whole thing that actually tried to stop Robert Card was one brave man at the bowling alley who had a knife. He tried the best he could to stop him, using available cover and attacked Card by surprise, but the old saying ‘you don’t bring a knife to a gun fight’ proved to be true for him. The sad thing is, the defender hero here, the guy with the knife that tried, normally carried a gun but because the bowling alley was a ‘Gun Free Zone’ he was not carrying. He would have had a much better chance of stopping Card, he had cover and had the element of surprise on his side and if he had not been disarmed of his firearm because of the ‘Gun Free Zone’ would have most likely succeeded in stopping Card.
This is the real problem. The owner posted the bowling alley as “gun free” without providing any security for the patrons. The owner must be held liable for all deaths and injuries incurred in the facility. It was the owner’s virtue signaling that created a perfect target for a deranged killer.
Owners can be held liable in TN.
The Volunteer State passed a new law that amends a state code, making business owners who post “no guns allowed” signs responsible -and legally liable- for their patrons’ safety, opening up the potential for lawsuits if a violent act occurs.
https://leoaffairs.com/gun-free-zones-tennessee-now-liable-harm-caused-firearm-permit-holders/
That’s awesome! There should be a price to pay for virtue signaling and Hoplophobia. I’ve been looking for a place there for quite a awhile. Prices went way up when all the New Yorkers were fleeing the Covid insanity in the blue states. They’re starting to come back down now so, hopefully, I’ll be able to pull the trigger on something by summer 2024.
Upon further investigation, it looks like they didn’t end up passing that. Instead, I think they passed something that said you can’t sue a store owner for failing to prohibit weapons on site. They should try to pass the original one again, but legislators are cowards. Other states should try it as well.
Been on the books in FL for years.. Not just GFZ crap, makes the business liable for any injuries incurred as the result of the business owners actions/inactions…
The police are afraid to do their jobs, so we have to give up our guns for the sake of the criminals and the spineless police? Screw that. I think the police officer should be disarmed seeing is he is too scared to use his weapon when he needs to do so.
Perhaps it isn’t so much that the police don’t want to “do their jobs” as it is being stabbed in the back by the judicial system who would just turn the potential bad actor loose again with no 72 hour observation hold, as there are in most states. Nothing like seeing the person just taken in back on the street before the paperwork is done.
As for surveillance, this is where relatives, friends and neighbors should be solicited whenever possible. And as far as “Red” or “Yellow Flag Laws” are concerned- if someone has shown reason for concern, it is they- not their guns, that should be taken in for observation.
As I stated above, usually it is possible to legally hold someone for 72 hours under professional observation in such instances. Leaving a homicidal/suicidal person at home, sans firearms, is completely political and ludicrous. If one is that bent on harm, there are literally hundreds of thousands of ways to make good on such threats without a firearm if the crazy is still on the loose. The tendency is always to blame the inanimate object and not the human. Better to see to the person, who DOES have rights. Inanimate objects do not.
Golly gee, he had a swing set in his front yard and everything.
Perhaps it was the mold on the side of his house that made him go nutz.
I think I read somewhere some types of mold can cause nutzzoidia.
Or maybe the hearing aids were .giv receivers and .giv was transmitting dog barks?
At any rate dealing with a full deck or not Card dealt himself a Dead Mans Hand.
Nutzzoidia is rampant in the US.
81+ million people are afflicted.
Vote louder
1k upvotes..
“I think I read somewhere some types of mold can cause nutzzoidia.”
It’s possible, with ergot :
https://www.discovermagazine.com/mind/this-hallucinogenic-fungus-might-be-behind-the-salem-witch-trials
LOLOLOL!
F*ing cops. WTF good are they??
Defund the police, restore the Second Amendment, nationwide concealed carry and castle doctrine, restore the freedom of association stolen from us by the so-called “Civil Rights” act.
Cops keep me stopping at the Stop signs.
Without that I might run it and crash into somebody not wearing a seat belt.
And like I always say…There’s alwsys another perp like him out there somewhere and it is only a matter of time before they strike…And in the meantime rest assured Gun Control zealots lie in wait ready to blame the NRA et al. It’s what continues when Gun Control zealots know spoon fed evening news Americans are gullible Gun Control History illiterates…Here’s help for the aforementioned History illiterates…
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZFEz3Bt9hCw&feature=shared
This man didn’t act alone folks!!..There were more shooters reported that night..
From the article:
Lax laws about removing weapons from dangerous people is a problem in numerous states, said Felipe Rodriguez, an adjunct professor at John J-a-y College of Criminal Justice in New York City.
Is he saying that “yellow flag” laws are too lax, so we need “red flag” laws? Why does j-a-y go to moderation? What’s the point?
Rodriguez looks like an easy A. Apparently it’s easy to teacher shop these days.
https://www.ratemyprofessors.com/professor/1070965
all 50 states have laws that can be used for “removing weapons from dangerous people”. they are not ‘lax’….the definition of anti-gun for ‘lax laws’ is if anti-gun did not write it and its not what they want it to say and it does not do away with due process and its not called ‘red flag’…then its a ‘lax law’
Yes, red flag law such as NY (where this guy was held for making threats) has would have prevented this tragedy, just as it didn’t in this case. Then perhaps need a black flag law or a blaze orange flag law when the red flag law doesn’t violate gun owners’ due process enough.
they pushing for a ‘rainbow flag’
😆
I don’t really trust the “undisclosed source” of this video. Here is the problem. UNLESS a health care provider is willing to say that Card was a “danger to himself and others”, there is NOT a DAMN THING the police could or can do. Then again, we have that presky HIPPA law. Unless the “threat” is IMMINENT, there is NO health care provider who is going to stick his neck out.
Unless it’s WuFlu… Health dept. Drs, Hospitals were passing around personal health information like it was the latest Playboy centerfold among a bunch of 10th graders… Hippa must have been “suspended” for that farce…
MADD maybe that was the way in your state, but as bad as NY is, it wasn’t here.
You must have missed the memo… It was like that everywhere, I’m not Your buddy Minerva or daci-what’s his name, I don’t need to make stuff up… Every time you had to show your Jab-card to get a fucking hamburger, every person who had get a shot to keep their job was putting their information out in public and that same information was shared through a CDC data base with health care providers and pharmaceutical companies across the country…
MADD, I missed no “memo”. We did not have the problems you allege here in this part of NY.
No shit, you are not my “buddy”. I refrain for associating with Neanderthals. I never had to show my “jab card” anywhere but to the pharmacist who gave me the “jab” to mark it on the card.
I do think you are prone to exaggeration and hyperbole.
At the beginning of the pandemic, a group of researchers funded by the US National Institutes of Health, or NIH, realized that many questions about covid-19 would be impossible to answer without breaking down barriers to data sharing. So they developed a framework for combining actual patient records from different institutions in a way that could be both private and useful.
The result is the National COVID Cohort Collaborative (N3C), which COLLECTS MEDICAL INFORMATION FROM MILLIONS OF PATIENTS (emphasis mine) around the country, cleans them, and then grants access to groups studying everything from when to use a ventilator to how covid affects menstrual cycles.
From MIT Technology Review:
https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/06/21/1026590/us-covid-database-n3c-nih-privacy/
Even you should be able to understand what THIS actually means…
MADD, it seems that thickness you suffer from is really getting acute.
COVID was a “reportable” disease, i.e: by law after the epidemic was declared it was mandatory for health care providers to report such to their State Dept of Health as well as CDC.
For your further edification, many of the cases reported as COVID turned out to be the plain old fashion flu. Misreporting was rampant in their “system”.
Dude you really are a waste of time and air… Just go on be as stupid as you want to be, you obviously have no idea what reading comprehension is not to mention you just contradicted YOURSELF… I can’t help you and you won’t help yourself, saddd…
fist of all, MADD, I am not a “dude”; I’ve been out west, ridden horses and for a year was a Town Marshall in Colorado.
Trust me, MADD, with someone like you, I don’t need any help. If you bother to comprehend what I wrote you would see no contradiction.
Get help.
Shoot him with a knockout drug if they deem him that dangerous, or we’ll just let the citizens try and stop him.
Why would they actually want to stop a known phyco? What an opportunity for the powers to use this nutcase as a cudgel against the population. Like Cruz in the Parkland H.S. incident, another know nutcase with many reports and questioning by the feds. Too many more to mention like these cases.
One may berate officers for failure to perform as expected afterwards, Monday Morning Quarterbacker Syndrome, but I don’t see you quarterbacks stepping in to do the job to your expectations. Talk is cheap, but few walk the talk.
Police are reluctant to do their job in Liberal enclaves, fearing ending up in prison like the cops taking down the scumbag George Floyd. They don’t get paid enough to put their life on the line, much less risk going to prison for the rest of their lives. CHAOS is the Liberal currency funding America’s demise.
Back The Blue, STFU Your BooHoo.
They dont get paid enough to put their life on the line?
Gosh, I wonder what possessed them to apply for the job.
possum, it’s called service.
… or a pay check and they get to boss people around.
Or a hundred grand year retirement and that “Cadillac” health care…
40, I know probably close to a hundred police officers. I don’t know one who likes “bossing people around”.
Trust me, MADD, I have that retirement and it is NO WHERE NEAR “a hundred grand a year, nor do we have a “Cadillac” health care plan.
Yeah.
Cop school says, During your service nobody is ever going to get pissed, nobody is ever going to shoot at you. Everyone loves a traffic citation.
Arresting civilians makes good friends.
That gunm is just for intimidation purposes, you’ll never have to use it.
If the job I apply for involves me wading through a septic tank I cant complain about smelling like shit if I take the job.
Hazardous duty pay with any hazards.
I have that retirement and it is NO WHERE NEAR “a hundred grand a year,
Maybe you should have been partnered with the “Coward of Broward”
The ‘Coward of Broward’ Earns More than $8,000 Month (over $96,000 annually) from his pension,….
possum, The idea of Basic Police Academy is to teach the recruit the proper way to carry out his/her duties. If you don’t like getting a traffic ticket,I suggest you don’t break the Vehicle and Traffic Law. Simple really.
If a civilian breaks the law, the officer has the duty to arrest the perpetrator and cause him/her to be produced in court.
As to the “gunm” being “just for intimidation purposes, it is clear you have not clue what you are talking about.
Seems you have been walking through a lot of septic tanks with your mind.
There was an adage when I joined the PD. “You’re a cop; you knew it when you signed on. Be a DAMN GOOD ONE!”
MADD, Lucky him. Seems his pension is twice as generous as mine.
Both Floyd and Chauvin are shit bags, they both got what they deserved.
Police absolutely are getting paid to put their life on the line. If they can’t or aren’t willing to do that they need to stop being a Police Officer.
This is dumber than the stuff Chris posts and I didn’t think that was possible.
Chauvin may be a bad person who didn’t do exactly what he should have, but he didn’t murder Floyd. He was trying to get Floyd into the car. It was Floyd who was having none of that by resisting. It was Floyd who said he ate too many drugs because he ingested the evidence when the cops showed up. It was Floyd who said he couldn’t breathe before anyone’s knee was on him. It was Floyd who had 3 to 4x the lethal dose in his system. It was Floyd who also had a heart condition and Cov19 at that time. The restraining move Chauvin used was an official move taught to officers. It was the government who didn’t release all of the pertinent details in a timely manner so they could get their revolution. It was the propagandists who pushed their fake news by omitting part of the story even after the full details came out. People are still ignorant about the truth. Here you are going along with them.
Where Chauvin went wronger than merely wrong, was refusing any sort of medical care to Floyd. One of Chauvin’s junior officers pointed out that Floyd didn’t seem to be breathing, and was unresponsive. A question was asked, to the effect, ‘should we check his pulse?’. Chauvin refused whatever limited medical care he and his fellow officers might have provided when Floyd became unresponsive. Go watch the videos again, if you don’t believe me.
I agree that Floyd was a POS of a human being. But Chauvin was still obligated to do whatever possible to ensure the safety and well being of a person in his custody.
Was it murder? I don’t think so, but criminal neglect and/or manslaughter would have fit the bill nicely.
Yes, but that wasn’t the narrative or the charge. The narrative from the beginning was that was a white cop who wanted to murder a black man because he was black. That was they only way they were going to get their cultural revolution in 2020. The propagandists and Democrat politicians pushed the 2020 riots which ended up killing many more black men. They ushered in an era of rampant criminality which is still killing more black men, among others, to this day. I can’t believe informed people are still going along with that nonsense.
Where Chauvin went wronger than merely wrong, was refusing any sort of medical care to Floyd
THAT is an inaccurate statement, the call was made but for some inexplicable reason the responding EM took the scenic route which took much longer than necessary to answer the call…
“Police are reluctant to do their job in Liberal enclaves, fearing ending up in prison like the cops taking down the scumbag George Floyd.”
All a part of their ‘plan’ – Let the violence get so out-of-hand, someone will come along promising to solve it, but you have to ‘temporarily’ suspend the US Constitution, “just for a little while”.
Literal ‘Fascism 101’, folks… 🙁
Si le das más poder al poder/
Más duro te van a venir a coger
comes to mind. Mostly because it sounds better than saying it in English.
They don’t get paid enough to put their life on the line,
Funny story: As an eighteen-year-old Marine PFC, I was paid $186.00 every two weeks (about $4500 a year)… During that first year I was shot at on nearly a daily basis (and even hit once), I was expected to prevail over odds that would send a Bookie screaming for the hills and to kill people I never even knew existed a year earlier… Didn’t get paid enough for THAT job either but I signed up for it… If a cop is in it for the money he/she should have gone to IT school or learned coding or some other dumb shit…
MADD, I don’t know of any police officers who are in it for the money. As I said, most of us are in it to serve our community or state.
Then you live in a very small world, or someone is lying to you…
Excellent pay and benefits is third in a list of the TOP TEN reasons people become cops…
MADD, Not hardly, Little fella. I’m a retired State Correction Sergeant and Police Officer. I know what pension I get as I am paid monthly. I live on it and my social security as well as running my own business serving legal papers.
Trust me, the pay is FAR from excellent and most departments require a college degree, either a AAS or a BA, or BS. Even with overtime. Benefits? Here in NYS they have for a retirement now that they call Tier 6 (6% of your salary matched by the jurisdiction you work for until you retire). You retire at 50 % of you final three years average without overtime. It requires 25 or 20 yrs depending on the Dept and you pay for your health benefits after a certain credit is given for sick time accrued. Family coverage is available at your own expense. Basically the same as any union job except with the unions, their overtime is included in your pension.
So it seems you don’t know as much as you think you do. Must be nice thinking you are a know it all?
So it seems you don’t know as much as you think you do. Must be nice thinking you are a know it all?
Or your little brain won’t let you see the truth, or you know it’s true and you just can’t admit it… Apparently I know more about it than you do, but I also know you are like a dog with a bone and you won’t let this go no matter how fucking stupid sounding your argument has become so throw in your final comment I’m done with this circle jerk…
MADD, I clearly know far more than you do. Of course that is not saying much for me. Right?
As I was a police officer and the only thing you ever served was Burger King, I do think my knowledge of police officers is quite a bit more than yours or your social workers who publish the dribble that you seem to have swallowed hook, line sinker, boat anchor and chain,
As I was a police officer and the only thing you ever served was Burger King,
Well, there is that (though I’ve never really worked in ANY kind of restaurant) AND there is the 6 1/2 years in the Marine Corps that included THREE full tours in Vietnam that resulted in my 100% total and permanent disability rating from the VA… It’s cops/ex-cops like you with shitty attitudes and obviously lacking any intellect above that of “functional” illiterate (your spelling sucks, you seem to have never heard the word grammar and you continue to spew the same tired bullshit over and over to keep an argument going) that causes people to question your/their ability to perform the duties expected of them… What a sad life you must live evidenced by the crap you try to project upon others and the way you read things into other people’s posts that simply does not exist… You should get a life and get over yourself… Done… I wasn’t going to do this because you just make it too easy, but I really want to see you dance one more time before I close this one… Go for it clown, tell me again how you know all there is to know…
MADD, thank you for your service in the Corps. However, that does not make you an Einstein.
We don’t have “shitty attitudes”. We believe in law and order. We believe that if you break the law, be it a traffic infraction or some other minor offense you are not entitled to special treatment. You are the kind that if you are caught speeding, going thought a stop sign or a traffic light, the officer should let you go or ignore it because you are not a “real criminal”. When I was on the job, I saw a lot of you and your “entitled” buddies. Whether you believe it or not, everyone should be treated equally, no one any more “equal” than anyone else. Even you.
Instead of respecting police you hate them. I have a good life and am well respected in my field except by Neanderthals like you who want privilege you are not entitled to. You might want to take your own advice and get over yourself. GET HELP. It seems you have developed a phobia about authority figures.
The bottom line today is the police are afraid. They are very afraid. They would much more deal with a law abiding person. Instead of an alpha male trouble maker.
Like I have been saying for years now on TTAG. The law abiding who are willing, should be able to deal with these criminals on their own. Without interference from the government.
Kill these threats dead on sight. Kill trespassers. Kill those who steal. Do you really believe in the phrase, “you are on your own.”
If you as a law abiding person can handle the responsibility???
Then move or stay locked up inside where you live.
Yep.
What these idiotic ‘defund the cops’ types don’t realize, is that it is the COPS, (for the most part,) that are keeping the ‘law abiding citizens’ from really cleaning house on those VERY PEOPLE that are calling for the defunding, along with those that are out ‘protesting’, marching, hassling people, blocking traffic, rioting and raising hell, etc.
Remove the restraints on a pissed off neighborhood and get out of the way, and a lot of this will come to a screeching halt.
In the areas where the shitheads are tearing up the place? Tell all the residents in the neighborhood that they are ‘clear to fire on all rioters.’
Might make the mortuary types a bit busy for a while but they gotta eat too…
Make it legal to run the little bastids over when they block you from going about your normal travels. They pull out bicycles and lay down in the road? Tough. Hope that they have medical insurance…
The song is right. Try that in a small town..
Police didn’t feel safe confronting Robert Card because his mental health Was deteriorating?
But it was OKAY to let a known “armed” nutjob run amok in a world filled with people who are walking around with their head up their ass and their face buried in their “Smartphones” oblivious to any potential threats to their health and safety, more concerned about who’s “following” them on social media than they are about what is going on around them… Talk about setting the wolves out among the sheep… What were they afraid of? That they might set him off and cause him to go on a rampage, killing a bunch of people in some fucked up Gun Free Zone?
MADD, More horse pucky? It seems that the police in ME were unable to take any action against Card due to the fact that NO health care provider put his/her name on a report that showed the Card was an imminent danger to himself or others. Until such time as that happened (and it did not), the police were powerless to act. Whether you like it or not that is the law.
That kinda decapitates your nonsense about the police being afraid. Seems your prejudice against police is showing yet again.
But I must give up my guns, and I must not carry in a posted location… right.
Mealy-mouthed, mushy-faced, politically-correct, and totally politicized. A cop can’t do his job when he doesn’t know what his job is.
Cities Violate Constitutional Carry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfrEkLk5DeY
Federal Lawsuit Hopes To Save Original Constitutional Carry State.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B-JlF3eaoI
Not knowing much of anything about Maine’s full set of laws I would need a lot more information before I pass judgement on this particular case.
Having seen, up close and rather personally, what was going on with James Holmes I can state for a fact that sometimes you get a confluence of laws that make it basically impossible to act in a rational manner.
This provides ample fodder for those who are unaware to lob criticisms at people acting in a system the critic doesn’t understand at all. Often such systems only come to light after something terrible happens which serves to demonstrate the failure point(s).
They should join forces with The Cowards of Uvalde.
dad: correct & po-lees, don’t tell me about gun “privileges”
For some reason, MADD, this post of your disappeared. We let me bring it back.
Apparently, you think that breaking the law is your “privilege” due to your military service? For your edification growing marijuana and smoking it is STILL a violation of Federal Law,
Actually, I think that breaking unconstitutional laws is my obligation as an American citizen, there was a time when cocaine, marijuana and even heroin (never touched the stuff) was legal until they discovered that black people used it for recreation, next day new Racist anti-drug laws so, you take your naziesque “dedication” to your overlords and their rules and shove it real deep like a good little Storm Trooper… The government has granted itself all sorts of authorities, immunities and powers over the years that are NOT enumerated in the constitution, in fact: 10th Amendment:
The powers not delegated to the United States BY THE CONSTITUTION, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. Read it, embrace it, become an American… Or don’t… State of FL has made possession of less than 28 grams of marijuana a simple misdemeanor ($50.00 fine) which “Trumps” the Illegal federal law… Have a real nice day “officer”…
For your edification UNTIL the US Supreme Court declares it “unconstitutional” it is the law. And for your further edification, the law forbidding possession and manufacture of marijuana is in my humble opinion constitutional under the Commerce Clause of the Constitution. The Commerce Clause refers to Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3 of the U.S. Constitution, which gives Congress the power “to regulate commerce with foreign nations, among states, and with the Indian tribes.”
Now, upon what do you lay claim that the Federal Law in this matter is “unconstitutional? “
MADD, Apparently someone on TTAG doesn’t like you. Your response is no where to be found, but here it is:
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MADDMAXX just commented on Police Knew Robert Card’s Mental Health Was Deteriorating, But Didn’t Feel Safe Confronting Him.
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MADD, just when did the police “fuck” with him?
Apparently, you think that breaking the law is your “privilege” due to your military service? For your edification growing marijuana and smoking it is STILL a violation of Federal Law,
Actually, I think that breaking unconstitutional laws is my obligation as an American citizen, there was a time when cocaine, marijuana and even heroin (never touched the stuff) was legal until they discovered that black people used it for recreation, next day new Racist anti-drug laws so, you take your naziesque “dedication” to your overlords and their rules and shove it real deep like a good little Storm Trooper… The government has granted itself all sorts of authorities, immunities and powers over the years that are NOT enumerated in the constitution, in fact: 10th Amendment:
The powers not delegated to the United States BY THE CONSTITUTION, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. Read it, embrace it, become an American… Or don’t… State of FL has made possession of less than 28 grams of marijuana a simple misdemeanor ($50.00 fine) which “Trumps” the Illegal federal law…
MADD, thanks for confirming my thoughts about your sorry life.
Sorry to disappoint “officer” Wally, but my life is just fine… I replaced 30 mg Oxy (prescribed) every four hours for the pain I live with daily, with an occasional hit of marijuana because I got tired of living in a fog not to mention being a slave to the “addiction” so I went cold turkey (took damn near six months to get over that “legal” shit) so, I could give zero fucks about your “thoughts” concerning my life… Have a real nice day “officer”, if that’s possible in YOUR head…
Again, I pointed out that the Commerce Clause of the Constitution is what the Federal drug laws are based. For some ungodly reason, you IGNORED this. You see, that authority is granted by the Constitution in the Commerce Clause. So your nonsense about “naziesque” etc is just plain ole HORSE PUCKY!
So you think that Oxy is better than Pot? (Shaking my head) Either way you are living in a fog of drug intoxication.
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