Polymer80, at one time the largest manufacturer of 80% receiver kits for home gun builders, has shut down operations, becoming a casualty of the anti-Second Amendment agenda. The company caved to insurmountable legal defense and settlement costs that have plagued Polymer80 to the tune of millions.
“In order to be able to stop hemorrhaging we had to shut down and get some things in order,” Polymer80 CEO Loran Kelley Jr. said in a statement released on social media. Kelley referred to the onslaught of legal actions filed against Polymer80 in the past few years, “P80 was getting sued left and right. Probably twice a month.” The suits claim that the company perpetuates gun violence simply by existing, that is to say by manufacturing and selling their 80% receiver kits.
While the cost of that much legal defense can be enough to shutter any company, clearly the intent from the suits, the last two years have seen Polymer80 and its founders reach combined settlements of $7.5 million with Los Angeles, Baltimore and Philadelphia. As a settlement condition, the company agreed to stop selling its products in California, Maryland and certain parts of Pennsylvania. A D.C. court ordered Polymer80 to halt sales in the capital as well, imposing more than $4 million in penalties, claiming the company made false and misleading claims about the legality of its products, encouraging families of victims affected by criminal usage of Polymer80-based firearms to sue as well.
Anti-Second Amendment groups driving the legal actions celebrated the closure as a win for their agenda and an epic fail for Polymer80. Philadelphia city council president, Kenyatta Johnson, called it, “a victory in our efforts to combat illegal gun use here.”
“This sends a message that the selling of ghost guns and illegal ghost gun parts will not be tolerated…And if you are selling them, we will be coming after you,” she said. With the understanding that “illegal gun use” covers all firearm-related crimes, I would like to ask Johnson when the “City of Brotherly Love” was last considered a peaceful and non-violent metropolis.
A common attack on Polymer80 is the claim that its products were increasingly present at crime scenes, ostensibly because buyers could purchase kits without background checks, furthering the insistence that P80-based firearms had become the criminal weapon of choice. This scrutiny, from policymakers and law enforcement has been the driving force behind the battery of lawsuits and regulations that ultimately resulted in the company’s closure.
The ATF, under the Biden administration in 2022, imposed a rule requiring sellers of builder kits to serialize parts and conduct background checks on prospective buyers. That is to say that the administration and the ATF conspired to circumvent the legislative process by creating a “rule” that is punishable by the full force of the law with little regard for the fact that Americans are smart enough to see they are simply making up laws without the Constitutionally required Congressional process. It is a clear disregard for checks and balances. Remember this when you see advertisements this election season claiming Democrats are trying to protect and preserve the Constitution.
“The effort to address the illegal use of ghost guns was a combination of litigation, a push for rulemaking by the ATF and states and cities passing laws cracking down on ghost gun sales,” Everytown for Gun Safety, an anti-Second Amendment group that supported the legal actions against Polymer80, said in a statement. In their own words, the use of litigation as a financial weapon and the circumvention of the legislative process were the tools they utilized to put Polymer80 out of business and Americans on the unemployment line. They do not even remotely attempt to hide this, instead flaunting it in open mockery of people’s intelligence.
In truth, the closure highlights a legal system that has been weaponized specifically for this purpose, and that does not protect Americans equally. Building privately used firearms at home without the formalities associated with purchasing at the local gun store is a long-standing tradition in America. The Anti-Second Amendment lobby claims, however, that the process used to be difficult before companies like Polymer80, suggesting that the number of do-it-yourself gun builders prior was relatively low. However, nowhere in the law is a difficulty level or the number of Americans that exercise the long-standing tradition stated as a factor that would cause the right to expire. Additionally, the argument is disingenuous as these groups also target gun builders using 3D printing technology, which is truly a “from scratch” process.
Polymer80 had been in business since 2013, selling kits based on unfinished receivers that must be completed privately by the end user. The company’s name refers to the receiver in 80% form that must be milled, drilled and otherwise manufactured before being assembled with additional parts into a functional firearm. The product was marketed exclusively to hobbyists, however, opponents argue that its misuse by criminals is somehow a liability of Polymer80. Ironically enough, this phenomenon only seems to occur in the firearm industry. Can you imagine the same groups accusing the automobile industry of marketing to drunk drivers?
Although Polymer80’s doors are closed, its website is down, phones are disconnected and attempts to reach them via email are unsuccessful, Kelley suggested the closure may be temporary, stating he’ll be back.
“in some way, shape or form,” he said. A legal challenge to the ATF’s “Frames or Receivers” rule is scheduled for arguments before the U.S Supreme Court on Oct. 8, the outcome of which could jeopardize state restrictions, and hopefully provide recourse for those negatively affected by rogue actions of the ATF and the Biden administration.
Same bat channel,,, Remington anyone? S&W has also been in the crosshairs as is others by these shady predatory lawyers.
You’d think the PLCA would protect from this.
“You’d think the PLCA would protect from this.”
It’s an issue of beating the rap, but the ride bankrupting you.
I really hope someone with very deep pockets funds the new owners of the injection molds…
If you don’t defend yourself you’ll lose your business and make the lawyers rich.
If you do defend yourself you’ll lose your business and make the lawyers rich.
Pretty good system the lawyers have.
The Polymer80 frames will be back under a different name or company, the injection molds still physically-exist, so someone will buy them at the bankruptcy auction.
The legality of 80 percent lowers will be dealt with when the ‘frames and receivers’ SCOTUS case is heard in a few months from now, with the decision announced by next summer.
Fear not, it will remain legal to home build a firearm for yourself and family members.
(BTW – Two can play with the cute one-off username game.)
I wonder how much printing hurt these guys too honestly. You can make a myriad of Glock Frames without too much trouble.
I can’t imagine it was a significant issue for them. The p80 frames had polymer that were basically the same as production firearms, with really great textures and fit and finish. 3d printing has some great materials, but even with 100% infill and carbon fiber nylon it’s not going the be as polished of an end product. Even most people with 3d printers don’t have a setup high end enough to try to get something as nice.
I just mill them when I want. the GG can do a lot of stuff with the right files. they come of great and manufacturer quality.
Meanwhile, here behind enemy lines in the People’s Republik of Kalifornia, the GG is forbidden by our elite overlords, because scary. P80 frames were great during the short period they were allowed to be purchased and built before Newsom and Co. shut that down as well (still legal under strict guidelines, but what’s the point?).
P80 and Lone Wolf will be remembered. RIP both.
“Even most people with 3d printers don’t have a setup high end enough to try to get something as nice.”
That’s gonna be changing in the not-distant future as materials and manufacturing technology inevitably advances, and that’s an official Martha Stewart ‘Good Thing’.
The price of 100-percent laser-sintered metal 3D printing is dropping fast. At that point, it will be impossible to stop DIY gun making…
Printing is still a very small percentage of hobbyists.
Polymer80 was just one of many Glock clone frame makers. They were just the biggest and most popular. There are several others with frames available as we speak.
RE: “A common attack on Polymer80 is the claim that its products were increasingly present at crime scenes”
Are we to believe criminals use the gun once then discard it like hunter biden? To move the football Gun Control zealots have been known to exaggerate sorta like cackles busing paid crowds for a rally.
Nonetheless thanks to Gun Control zealots if criminals were using kits for crime now they’ll have to go back to stealing firearms like these perps going after serialized firearms…
https://youtube.com/watch?v=eUh7DhOaXlU&feature=shared
Quick fact check – serial numbers have prevented exactly… wait for it…. ZERO crimes.
Certainly not yesterday’s school crime, where a known nutjob was put into a setting other than a mental ward… ” Let’s just kick the can down the road a ways and see what happens…”
Oh yeah, it’s the evil AR whispering into the perp’s ear the did it
” that did it. ” – oops.
Where did the 14year old perp get the gat? Likely daddy as did the bAStArD who shot DJT. It takes a pos to encourage your spawn to murder🙄😧The mother of the Newtown boy paid with her life.
I fail to understand this general line of argument. It has a very “sins of the father” flavor to it which is something we really don’t want to inject into jurisprudence.
Oh, wait, too late. Welp, add that to the list of things that will be rammed down your throat on a host of topics until you choke on it.
Lawfare successful, precedent noted.
Next victim, currently being selected.
Now a matter of seeing where it is still profitable to make and what risk mitigation is cost effective. Honestly I think the frame/receiver case will be the bigger impact lawfare or no. With that said yeah this will make it more expensive across the board.
All they needed to do was put a serial number on it. Simple, cheap, easy.
” Ah Komrad, will you demonstrate to the others how to get on the train – wanna’ get to the showers before the hot water is gone. ”
You sound like the type of voter that kamala is depending on
What are the real number of home builds VS guns with defaced serial numbers VS guns old enough that they never had serial numbers?
It’s a fer sure thing they lumped them all together as ghost guns to up the number.
Gotta keep things simple for F-Troop. They don’t exactly hire mensa candidates. Most F-Troop hires would be lucky to have a room temperature IQ, in Celcius.
“…in Celcius”
Savage.
Documents filed with the (California) settlement show that Polymer80, based in Nevada, sold more than 200,000 unserialized gun kits into California, including more than 1,600 “Buy-Build-Shoot” kits, from 2017 to August of 2023. “Buy-Build-Shoot” kits contain all the parts needed to build a full gun
And your point is ???
That’s like being shocked that a 2500 pc. jigsaw puzzle will contain….wait for it….. exactly 2500 pcs. The goal is to have a complete puzzle, so actually, I’m as shocked as everyone else.
did I really need to //s ?
Oh, and jigsaw puzzles are completely legal to assemble also.
Tired of bs wanted some real numbers. That’s exactly what I posted. Read much?
The population of Slovakia is a real number too, and equally irrelevant.
Tired was clearly asking about the number of homebuilt “Ghost Guns” used in crimes.
Write much? Tired wanted an accounting of the 3 different “types” of guns lumped together as ghost guns, which of course you did not provide, so kindly go fuck yourself.
Incidentally, I’ve been posting under the same name on here for about 12 years, not like your 2 different versions of 200,000 which appeared 12 minutes ago
I actually used 3 names, duh
Yeah, and 200,000 were ghost guns that Polymer80 sold in CA alone. Now use a little bit of that brain and extrapolate a rough approximation. Think much?
I extrapolate ZERO… prove me wrong What is the EXACT number?… don’t forget to give verifiable source of data. Use YOUR brain, give your piehole a rest
Of course he can read, because he obviously read your post and understood correctly that it doesn’t make a point. Its was just an utterance of comment without a point. Simply posting something does not a point make. He even asked ‘And your point is ???’ and you completely missed the context of his question and launched into an insult with “Read much?” in a manner defending the post as if it made a point and it didn’t.
Are you like 12 years old?
Do you not understand what discussion and context are?
He was asking for discussion, your post was just a comment without making a point. So he asks “‘And your point is ???”
He obviously can read, and he correctly pegged your post as not making a point. Instead of you responding with a ‘just sayin’ type of thing and leaving it alone or going further to actually discuss, you respond with a challenge insult of “Read much?”. This is troll like, and then you use different names under which to carry forth the troll like activity.
That’s very similar to what the TDS infected, and misinformation, poster Miner49er does in trying to sidetrack discussions into his context ignoring trolling.
Where was the NRA? Why were they left alone to be bankrupted by lawsuits and settlements?
… too many other fish to fry.
Seriously, the entire board was probably on a chartered 10 day Deep Sea Sport Fishing excursion, paid for by the membership as a well deserved reward for all of their recent great work that they’ve accomplished.
// s, or maybe not. 🤔
So sued into oblivion while also having your ability to make money severely handcuffed, nice system.
Lawyers love it.
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